It's Official: Bukele will NOT Release El Salvadoran Citizen Kilmar Abrego Garcia to the United States

[Marener]

See what you are flopping around about is asking us how a court verified its information. We would not know that. Nor will any court prove anything to your satisfaction when a criminal gets his due

Court proceedings are public. You don’t know any of this because it’s not true.

 

[struth]

There was no verifiable evidence. You lied.

The court disagrees with you. I get you don’t want to accept court rulings that you disagree with, but they nonetheless exist.

 

[Marener]

The court disagrees with you. I get you don’t want to accept court rulings that you disagree with, but they nonetheless exist.

The court doesn’t disagree with me. You lied.

 

[Darkwind]

Perp?

he has never been charged with a crime in any country.

What a ******* idiot.

He has been charged with being a member of a terrorist gang and being in this country illegally. In addition, he was ordered to leave the country and did not. That is a felony.

Get the **** out of here with not being charged with a crime.

 

[WorldWatcher]

The court disagrees with you. I get you don’t want to accept court rulings that you disagree with, but they nonetheless exist.

What court?

Who was the Judge?

What was the date?

Would you like to see the rulings of the courts in question?

WW

 

[struth]

What court?

Who was the Judge?

What was the date?

Would you like to see the rulings of the courts in question?

WW

Immigration. Court. 2019, judge jones

 

[WorldWatcher]

Immigration. Court. 2019, judge jones

Here is Judge Jones decision from 2019.

The claim was the Immigration Judge identified Abrego Garcia as a MS-13 member, please show us where?
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As a matter of the fact after taking testimony from Abrego Garcia, other witnesses, and documents submitted into evidence - Abrego Garcia denying gang affiliation - Judge Jones said:

This from Judge Jones' 2019 decision in the case.

WW

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mdd.578815/gov.uscourts.mdd.578815.1.1_4.pdf

 

[struth]

Here is Judge Jones decision from 2019.

The claim was the Immigration Judge identified Abrego Garcia as a MS-13 member, please show us where?
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As a matter of the fact after taking testimony from Abrego Garcia, other witnesses, and documents submitted into evidence - Abrego Garcia denying gang affiliation - Judge Jones said:

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This from Judge Jones' 2019 decision in the case.

WW

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mdd.578815/gov.uscourts.mdd.578815.1.1_4.pdf

That’s the deportation order

The prior order denying bond is what i am talking about,

 

[WorldWatcher]

That’s the deportation order

The prior order denying bond is what i am talking about,

That’s not a deportation order, if you read it you would note it puts deportation on hold.

So you said there was a ruling by Judge Jones saying that Abrego Garcia was in MS13. So I show you Judge Jones’ ruling saying the opposite.

So now it’s “oh no, there is a different Judge Jones ruling.

So let’s see it please.

WW

 

[struth]

That’s not a deportation order, if you read it you would note it puts deportation on hold.

So you said there was a ruling by Judge Jones saying that Abrego Garcia was in MS13. So I show you Judge Jones’ ruling saying the opposite.

So now it’s “oh no, there is a different Judge Jones ruling.

So let’s see it please.

WW

Um no it didn’t, it simply said he couldn’t be deported to El Salvador at that time. He could havr been deported anywhere else

Clearly you didn’t read it

 

[Marener]

What a ******* idiot.

He has been charged with being a member of a terrorist gang and being in this country illegally. In addition, he was ordered to leave the country and did not. That is a felony.

Get the **** out of here with not being charged with a crime.

He was never charged with being in a gang.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Just want the court ruling stated, that there is verifiable evidence he’s a member of MS-13

Um no it didn’t, it simply said he couldn’t be deported to El Salvador at that time. He could havr been deported anywhere else

Clearly you didn’t read it

You said that the court order said he was a member of MS13.

Asked by who you said Judge Jones.

I provided Judge Jones ruling and it said no such thing. Just the opposite.

WW

 

[struth]

You said that the court order said he was a member of MS13.

Asked by who you said Judge Jones.

I provided Judge Jones ruling and it said no such thing. Just the opposite.

WW

Correct judge jones order denying bond, not the deportation order, which however goes into detail about Garcia’s fear of a rival gang

 

[WorldWatcher]

Correct judge jones order denying bond, not the deportation order, which however goes into detail about Garcia’s fear of a rival gang

Judge Jones didn’t hold the bond hearing in March 2019. Nor did Judge Kessler (sp?) the bond judge say Abrego Gacia was a member of MS13.

Bond hearings are short and typically don’t allow for the development of evidence. That’s why Judge Jones’ finding from OCT is the final the ruling in the case from 2019.

WW

 

[struth]

Judge Jones didn’t hold the bond hearing in March 2019. Nor did Judge Kessler (sp?) the bond judge say Abrego Gacia was a member of MS13.

Bond hearings are short and typically don’t allow for the development of evidence. That’s why Judge Jones’ finding from OCT is the final the ruling in the case from 2019.

WW

Of course there is evidence in bond hearing…pretty sure it was judge jones…I know it was appealed as well and the appeals court said the same thing

 

[WorldWatcher]

Of course there is evidence in bond hearing…pretty sure it was judge jones…I know it was appealed as well and the appeals court said the same thing

You can be pretty sure, but you would be wrong. It was Judge Kessler in March 2019 and Judge Jones who held the final hearings in October 2019.

I didn’t say there wasn’t evidence.

I said there was limited time to develop evidence. We’re talking a bone hearing, not the fully fleshed out hearing held later in October.

Confinement with no bond != MS13 Member


WW

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I also don’t believe for a moment that if the President of the United States, who is PAYING El Salvador to imprison these people, asks for his return he will be refused.

This goes well beyond willful cruelty. It’s evil.

That just illustrates how stupid you are. El Salvador is not going to turn over an illegal alien in our country who is a citizen in his own country.

 

[struth]

You can be pretty sure, but you would be wrong. It was Judge Kessler in March 2019 and Judge Jones who held the final hearings in October 2019.

I didn’t say there wasn’t evidence.

I said there was limited time to develop evidence. We’re talking a bone hearing, not the fully fleshed out hearing held later in October.

Confinement with no bond != MS13 Member


WW

Ok, another judge found. Verifiable evidence he was in a gang, judge jones found that he had a legit free of harm from a rival gang when he ordered his deportation

 

[WorldWatcher]

Ok, another judge found. Verifiable evidence he was in a gang, judge jones found that he had a legit free of harm from a rival gang when he ordered his deportation

Better thank you.

But again the previous judge was at a bond hearing where the defendant had limited time to obtain rebuttal evidence. Judge Kessler DID NOT say he was part of a gang, only that bond was denied.

WW

 

[struth]

Better thank you.

But again the previous judge was at a bond hearing where the defendant had limited time to obtain rebuttal evidence. Judge Kessler DID NOT say he was part of a gang, only that bond was denied.

WW

He asked for the bond hearing, why didn’t he prepare?
you dembots have an unlimited amount of excuses in your quest to ignore the court