It simply amazes me how much those who oppose Trump...

[Nuthin' Fancy]

Nope, another lie. In fact usually, they happen due to democrat control and government overspending.

You're FOS, as usual.
FOX "Facts"?

LOL.
Just like now blame others.

 

[MarathonMike]

How low will you go with this rationale?? IS there a limit?

The ONLY way to hold them accountable is by withholding your vote. Giving them your support no matter how bad they are - well, in my view, there's everything wrong with that.

What does "bad" mean in this context? If I understand your view, "bad" means being politically incorrect.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

Yes, and no democrat has ever said anything dumb. Say, has Guam tipped over yet?

Ambassador to the Bahamas, AFTER he made this remark...........

 

[Dorian Mode]

What does "bad" mean in this context? If I understand your view, "bad" means being politically incorrect.

Bad means not what the democraps want. Of course Trump is a bad choice for the democraps. I've come to realize that Trump was a great choice for the GOP. Anyone who makes the democraps unhappy is a good choice, and Trump makes them absolutely ******* miserable and batshit insane. Therefore, he was the best choice.

 

[task0778]

We have been voting by political party. Not for the best people from either party.
Both party's have been putting up Poor choices in most cases.
PRINCIPALS BEFORE PERSONALITY.

A lot of people vote by party, IOW policies and agendas. Which is my point, stated differently. Character, personality, behavior, etc., all that matters but I think we should be objective about it as much as we can. How you feel about somebody should not override critical thinking about what their intentions are and the direction they want this country to go in.

 

[JimH52]

He needs to be in jail.

 

[kyzr]

He needs to be in jail.

Who? Jack Smith? Joe Biden? Hunter Biden? Tampon? Fau-Chi?

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Trump is a miserable human being
Mean, petty, selfish, vindictive

Doesn’t matter you say

But this is the man who represents the United States
He has taken the US from a world power that is widely respected and trusted to an international bully that the rest of the world does not trust or respect

Well competition loves people who are pushovers, which is what America was (especially under Obama and Biden). Having some dignity, self respect, and boundaries might come off as harsh to some, but it’s entirely healthy.

Are you the type who desperately seeks the approval of others?

 

[Lockback]

Who? Jack Smith? Joe Biden? Hunter Biden? Tampon? Fau-Chi?

Yep! All of the above. And more!

 

[rightwinger]

Well competition loves people who are pushovers, which is what America was (especially under Obama and Biden). Having some dignity, self respect, and boundaries might come off as harsh to some, but it’s entirely healthy.

Are you the type who desperately seeks the approval of others?

America was far from a pushover

We were respected and our global leadership was sought.
The world no longer wants or respects our leadership

China has filled the void

 

[Lockback]

America was far from a pushover

We were respected and our global leadership was sought.
The world no longer wants or respects our leadership

China has filled the void

Where do you get this garbage?
Do you talk to foreign governments on a weekly basis?
Or do you just get all this crap from CNN or Salon?

 

[dblack]

Once the election is over it's kinda too late to do anything about it. We can withhold our votes the next time, like the voters did to Trump in 2020. And then they voted him back into office in 2024, deal with it.

Well, we all have to deal with it. But I won't contribute to it.

I don't understand what your point is, Trump is in office and he's gonna stay there until 2028. I don't like some of what he's saying and doing and I realize he's an asshole, but so what? What do you want me to do about it? What do you want to do about it? Fait accompli, dude. If he does stuff that I think is good for the country then I'm going to say so. If it's otherwise, I'm gonna say that too, like with his GD tariffs.

I'm saying we've got to stop voting for these bozos. The fear-mongering scares everyone into falling for lesser-of-two-evils. If we can't figure out how to get past that, I don't see us recovering.

I'll say this too, voting against somebody because they are an asshole IS STUPID.

Telling ourselves we're voting against anyone, regardless of the reason, is delusional. With our current system, we literally can't do it. All that's recorded with one's vote is support for the candidate in question. No one will know, nor care, who we think we're voting "against".

It's not supposed to be a popularity contest or about character, we are making a choice between 2 different political philosophies.

Are we though? I don't see it. Trump has zero "political philosophy". The dems have some, but none they'll admit to (socialism).

We need to focus on whether that person's/party's agenda and policies are in our best interests over the other.

Again, when they're both bad - I think it's foolish to debate which is worse. It's foolish to vote for either.

I focus on which direction the nominee for president will take us, not on whether he/she is a nice person.

I get it. And while I think Trump's personality is repugnant, it's not that alone that disqualifies him. But his personality does feed into his utter lack of leadership skills and that makes him a hard "no" in my book.

And it goes further than that. It's bad enough that he won't, or can't, make a compelling argument for his policies. It's that he goes out of the way to troll people who disagree. People who might, given how bad the Democrats are, be willing to give conservative ideas a chance. But they look at Trump and say, quite reasonably - "**** no".

You didn't answer my question, but I assume there is some point where you wouldn't vote for either candidate, and you just don't think Trump has yet crossed that threshold. I'm there already.

 

[dblack]

What does "bad" mean in this context?

You tell me. IS it possible for both candidates to be so bad, by whatever definition you like, that you would reject the lesser-of-two-evils nonsense and refuse to vote for either???

If I understand your view, "bad" means being politically incorrect.

You don't understand my view.

 

[dblack]

Yes, and no democrat has ever said anything dumb. Say, has Guam tipped over yet?

Cherry picking crap like this provides no valuable observation whatsoever. Dems need to stop jerking off to the gaffes and gotchas and work on nominating a decent candidate.

 

[MarathonMike]

You tell me. IS it possible for both candidates to be so bad, by whatever definition you like, that you would reject the lesser-of-two-evils nonsense and refuse to vote for either???

You don't understand my view.

Another dodge, to be expected.

 

[dblack]

Another dodge, to be expected.

??? Where's the dodge? Other than you dodging my question.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

focus so much on how "nice" or warm and fuzzy he is (or isn't).

This is just another low IQ reiteration of the even more low IQ TDS talking point.

Rabid crybaby cultists think people don't like what Trump does and says, because they don't like Trump.

Normal adults understand it's the other way around.

 

[dblack]

??? Where's the dodge? Other than you dodging my question.

MarathonMike

I suspect you just didn't understand my question in the first place. I wasn't asking "is Trump bad?". Task was defending strategic voting, aka "lesser-of-two-evils", which advocates voting for a candidate, even if you think they're bad - to block another that you think is worse.

I'm asking: how far would you follow this logic? Do you have any kind of minimum standards when it comes to voting? Is there a point where you would refuse to vote for either?

 

[MarathonMike]

??? Where's the dodge? Other than you dodging my question.

Was closing the border bad? Was getting the 20 Israeli hostages bad? Negotiating lower drug prices is that bad? Negotiating peace agreements with warring countries is bad?

 

[j-mac]

Cherry picking crap like this provides no valuable observation whatsoever. Dems need to stop jerking off to the gaffes and gotchas and work on nominating a decent candidate.

Won’t happen. Dems have no leaders, no direction. And, they decided to not use their own autopsy of why they lost…They’re at 17% approval, as they gaslight that they’re winning…they’re lying to themselves