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Trump would never win a popularity contest, and foreign heads of state may not have liked Trump.You brought it up, but yes - let's not bother discussing the Brandon administration. I didn't vote for them, I assume you didn't either. They suck. We need a better plan. Trumpsterism ain't it.
Who said anything about tricking people?....Once again, you're reading your cognitive distortions into my narrowly focusred point.Fair enough. But winning people over with pablum is an empty victory. If we don't have real consensus behind our goals, they won't survive. Tricking people into voting for you, with populist horseshit, won't produce the mandate needed to do anything useful with your victory.
Oh....They're too stupid to recognize that freedom has something in it for everyone.....Blame the customer...How delightfully snobbish.I doubt we'll win at all. But it's not Rand and Hayek holding us back. It's not our dedication to our principles. It's a population of amoral people who want to be slaves.
If that's all you're getting out of this thread, then you need to just go back to your Legos.So, disagreeing with the right is ok with the exception of the former POTUS…
Hmm.... I'd say an actual third party is closer to a third party. Not sure what you mean.I do not particularly like Trump, but he is the closest to a third party there is.
The parties will have some process for determining their nominee. And really, it's their business. The only election reform on the horizon that makes sense to me is ranked choice voting. Everything else is either too much to hope for, or not enough to matter.We need to end the partisan primary, go with open elections, and get rid of all the partisan polarization.
I won't "take" a shitty candidate. Period. If the best our fucked up system can produce is candidates like Biden or Trump, we've already lost. The "privilege" of choose between them is worthless.I would prefer a candidate like Bernie, Warren, or Gabbard, but I will take someone like Trump over people like Hillary or Biden, who deliberately harmed millions of people.
I do believe the numbers and policies that the right was touting before the pandemic speaks volumes
for itself. I hope that, "other guys", BS was put to bed for you.
If that's all you're getting out of this thread, then you need to just go back to your Legos.
it was my understanding that marriages are contracts today.Marriages should just be contracts, and enforced like any other contract. The specifics of the contract should be up to those who sign it.
Trump took on both parties. I call that a fighter.You'll win what you want to get if you fight...People want fighters, not bookworms and policy wonks.
.Are you really so fucking dense as to not recognize that?
I don't have a party, but, for the last 14 years I've voted against the democrats.I am far left, but there are people on the right I can respect much more than most of the democrats.
Most of the democrats are not left or right, they are just corrupt and evil.
We did not get the War on Drugs from the right, but from Biden and Clinton.
I will take any Libertarian over Biden or Clinton, any day.
Political parties mean nothing.
Anyone selecting a candidate based the party they belong to, is not just an idiot, but irresponsible.
For example, while I am far left, we could certainly do much better if we again had some politicians like Everette Dirksen.
Hmm.... I'd say an actual third party is closer to a third party. Not sure what you mean.
The parties will have some process for determining their nominee. And really, it's their business. The only election reform on the horizon that makes sense to me is ranked choice voting. Everything else is either too much to hope for, or not enough to matter.
I won't "take" a shitty candidate. Period. If the best our fucked up system can produce is candidates like Biden or Trump, we've already lost. The "privilege" of choose between them is worthless.
it's obvious you don't believe in a third party. It's just a line for you. If you don't think Trump was a third party candidate and winner, just highlights the point that you are being a blind individual with absolutely no thought. The fact Trump took on both Parties in his inaugural speech should have led you to the point that he was a third party winner. And yet you discard him as something else. Not sure what that is in fact.Hmm.... I'd say an actual third party is closer to a third party. Not sure what you mean.
That's the nature of populism. Herding the dummies. Maybe you don't think of that as tricking them - but if we resort to Trumpster tactics, do you really think we'll be winning hearts and minds? Or will we just be stirring up the mob?Who said anything about tricking people?....Once again, you're reading your cognitive distortions into my narrowly focusred point.
Yes. When it comes to Trumpster populism, I'm an uber-snob.Oh....They're too stupid to recognize that freedom has something in it for everyone.....Blame the customer...How delightfully snobbish.
Yup. And it's not a possibility, it's the obvious truth. That's why I'm not running for office. But that's exactly what we need in a leader. We need someone who can make the case for liberty, who can and will explain to people that free shit isn't free, that using the law to force your preferences on others will bite you in the ass (when it's turned against you), that to have the freedom to do what you want, you must accept others' rights to do what they want.Ever given a moment's thought to the possibility that you're too stupid to explain that to them?
Trump took on both parties. I call that a fighter.
Yup, probably why both parties hated him and half of the voters voted for him. He really was a close as what we could get to a third party.it's obvious you don't believe in a third party. It's just a line for you. If you don't think Trump was a third party candidate and winner, just highlights the point that you are being a blind individual with absolutely no thought. The fact Trump took on both Parties in his inaugural speech should have led you to the point that he was a third party winner. And yet you discard him as something else. Not sure what that is in fact.
I don't have a party, but, for the last 14 years I've voted against the democrats.
The last democrat I voted for was Walt Minnick, and ended up regretting that vote.
There is no perfect party, and a third party would get tainted once the Lobbyists
got a hold of them.
That's the nature of populism. Herding the dummies. Maybe you don't think of that as tricking them - but if we resort to Trumpster tactics, do you really think we'll be winning hearts and minds? Or will we just be stirring up the mob?
Yes. When it comes to Trumpster populism, I'm an uber-snob.
Yup. And it's not a possibility, it's the obvious truth. That's why I'm not running for office. But that's exactly what we need in a leader. We need someone who can make the case for liberty, who can and will explain to people that free shit isn't free, that using the law to force your preferences on others will bite you in the ass (when it's turned against you), that to have the freedom to do what you want, you must accept others' rights to do what they want.
Despite my ranting about idiots, I don't believe Americans are too stupid to understand this. But the people who fall for the populist spin are. Which is why I think adopting their tactics would be a terrible idea. Even if it produced a nominal "win".
How does that work in China and Russia?That is my point.
We can essentially eliminate parties, and we should.
Just eliminate primaries, have open elections.
To prevent the need for run offs from a close vote, then have all voters rank all candidates on ballot.
Essentially they would then get to vote against those they dislike.
Works all over the rest of the world.
well again, Trump being a liar one can't prove. If you wish to say that Trump exaggerates or embellishes a moment, fair also. But liar, nope. He gave 80 million americans a voice that no other politician could ever give them. Ron Disantis is the closest Conservative out there today to Trump. Xiden and his likes are still optioning for demofks same old same old boring platform.Yes.
I think Trump is a liar and manipulator, but also I think he also represents an opportunity for badly needed change.
Fully disagree with your take on this. Populism is dangerous and it very likely will take away representationWhile populism is dangerous, it really is exactly what is supposed to happen in a democratic republic.
If what the majority wants is a bad idea, then it is up to the more intelligent representatives to explain to them why.
It is not the role of the representatives to by-pass populism.
