Israel's war crimes

[Ecocertifmrl]

Here you can link (a very personal request, but please quote or write on your post something about the matter because let's face it, one rarely clicks on random links. Conversation is encouraged - link war is discouraged) old and especially current war crimes of Israel are welcome to be reported and discussed.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Here is one that is never discussed. Between 1947 and 1949, Israel took control of 78% of Palestine by force. It is illegal to acquire territory by the threat or use if force. This concept was include in the UN Charter in 1945.

I have seen no documents showing where Israel acquired legal title and sovereignty over that land.

 

[Ecocertifmrl]

To clarify here is a long list of war crimes. For many of us even common sense is enough to recognize a war crime but for those confused:

United Nations Office on Genocide Prevention and the Responsibility to Protect

And when it comes to current war crimes of Israel, here's something for those who aren't yet capable of recognizing right from wrong. I hope I'm not too patronizing.

1. Wilfully causing great suffering, or serious injury to body or health;
2. Extensive destruction and appropriation of property, not justified by military necessity and carried out unlawfully and wantonly;

1. Intentionally directing attacks against the civilian population as such or against individual civilians not taking direct part in hostilities;

1. The transfer, directly or indirectly, by the Occupying Power of parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies, or the deportation or transfer of all or parts of the population of the occupied territory within or outside this territory;

 

[USAF 2023]

Here is one that is never discussed. Between 1947 and 1949, Israel took control of 78% of Palestine by force. It is illegal to acquire territory by the threat or use if force. This concept was include in the UN Charter in 1945.

I have seen no documents showing where Israel acquired legal title and sovereignty over that land.

You’re right..,, The Israelis forced the British Mandate and they forced the U.N. to create and acknowledge the Jewish State on May 14, 1948.

 

[Hollie]

Here is one that is never discussed. Between 1947 and 1949, Israel took control of 78% of Palestine by force. It is illegal to acquire territory by the threat or use if force. This concept was include in the UN Charter in 1945.

I have seen no documents showing where Israel acquired legal title and sovereignty over that land.

Actually, that’s been discussed many times in many differentl threads.

 

[Hollie]

To clarify here is a long list of war crimes. For many of us even common sense is enough to recognize a war crime but for those confused:

United Nations Office on Genocide Prevention and the Responsibility to Protect

And when it comes to current war crimes of Israel, here's something for those who aren't yet capable of recognizing right from wrong. I hope I'm not too patronizing.

1. Wilfully causing great suffering, or serious injury to body or health;
2. Extensive destruction and appropriation of property, not justified by military necessity and carried out unlawfully and wantonly;

1. Intentionally directing attacks against the civilian population as such or against individual civilians not taking direct part in hostilities;

1. The transfer, directly or indirectly, by the Occupying Power of parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies, or the deportation or transfer of all or parts of the population of the occupied territory within or outside this territory;

You should email those snippets of cut and paste to the UN to advise of the behaviors perpetrated by the two, competing franchises of
Islamic Terrorism Intl.. Inc.

 

[fncceo]

Here you can link (a very personal request, but please quote or write on your post something about the matter because let's face it, one rarely clicks on random links. Conversation is encouraged - link war is discouraged) old and especially current war crimes of Israel are welcome to be reported and discussed.

 

[USAF 2023]

To clarify here is a long list of war crimes. For many of us even common sense is enough to recognize a war crime but for those confused:

United Nations Office on Genocide Prevention and the Responsibility to Protect

And when it comes to current war crimes of Israel, here's something for those who aren't yet capable of recognizing right from wrong. I hope I'm not too patronizing.

1. Wilfully causing great suffering, or serious injury to body or health;
2. Extensive destruction and appropriation of property, not justified by military necessity and carried out unlawfully and wantonly;

1. Intentionally directing attacks against the civilian population as such or against individual civilians not taking direct part in

1. The transfer, directly or indirectly, by the Occupying Power of parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies, or the deportation or transfer of all or parts of the population of the occupied territory within or outside this territory;

To clarify here is a long list of war crimes. For many of us even common sense is enough to recognize a war crime but for those confused:

United Nations Office on Genocide Prevention and the Responsibility to Protect

And when it comes to current war crimes of Israel, here's something for those who aren't yet capable of recognizing right from wrong. I hope I'm not too patronizing.

1. Wilfully causing great suffering, or serious injury to body or health;
2. Extensive destruction and appropriation of property, not justified by military necessity and carried out unlawfully and wantonly;

1. Intentionally directing attacks against the civilian population as such or against individual civilians not taking direct part in hostilities;

1. The transfer, directly or indirectly, by the Occupying Power of parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies, or the deportation or transfer of all or parts of the population of the occupied territory within or outside this territory;

Yawn..,, Too bad the U.N. didn’t feel that way in 1967 after Nasser closed the International Waters of the Stray of Tiran Israel
Was deprived of their rights to use it and the U.N “ peacekeeping force” deliberately leaving the area knowing what was going to happen.

 

[Sunni Man]

You’re right..,, The Israelis forced the British Mandate and they forced the U.N. to create and acknowledge the Jewish State on May 14, 1948.

Actually it was the zionist jews who forced the issue. ...

 

[member]

Here you can link (a very personal request, but please quote or write on your post something about the matter because let's face it, one rarely clicks on random links. Conversation is encouraged - link war is discouraged) old and especially current war crimes of Israel are welcome to be reported and discussed.

". . .old and especially current war crimes of Israel are welcome to be reported and discussed."











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stupid terrorists.....


"war crimes of Israel..." -- i feel, there is no war crimes when [anyone] is fighting islamic terror. right SUNNImozzarella?

 

[USAF 2023]

You’re right..,, The Israelis forced the British Mandate and they forced the U.N. to create and acknowledge the Jewish State on May 14, 1948.

Actually it was the zionist jews who forced the issue. ...

You’re right; The Jewish people had so much power they were able to manipulate both the British Mandate and the U.N. THANK YOU . !!!!!

 

[member]

You’re right..,, The Israelis forced the British Mandate and they forced the U.N. to create and acknowledge the Jewish State on May 14, 1948.

Actually it was the zionist jews who forced the issue. ...

You’re right; The Jewish people had so much power they were able to manipulate both the British Mandate and the U.N. THANK YOU . !!!!!

"Actually it was the zionist jews who forced the issue"

.he's the one that's been forced

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Israel's war crimes
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Neither sovereignty or self-determination are just pieces of official paper. These are concepts applied in reality. The Arab-Jewish Civil War in the territory to which the Mandatory Palestine applied, was an induced event as a prelude to the 1948 War on the independence of Israel. War was a product out of the UN General Assembly adoption of A/RES/181 (II) Resolution of 29 November 1947 recommending → the adoption of the Partition Plan for Palestine.

Here is one that is never discussed. Between 1947 and 1949, Israel took control of 78% of Palestine by force. It is illegal to acquire territory by the threat or use if force. This concept was included in the UN Charter in 1945.

I have seen no documents showing where Israel acquired legal title and sovereignty over that land.

(COMMENT)

In reality, no piece of paper can establish or legitimize territorial sovereignty. The territorial sovereignty becomes a reality when the people "physically" create it and effectively establishes their territory.

Stop asking questions about things that don't exist, and for which there is no requirement.

In the post-War shadow of the 1949 Armistice Arrangement, there gradually grew a Nation in the image and ideal of a Jewish National Home.

✪ ARTICLE 3 Convention on Rights and Duties of States

The political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states. Even before recognition the state has the right to defend its integrity and independence, to provide for its conservation and prosperity, and consequently to organize itself as it sees fit, to legislate upon its interests, administer its services, and to define the jurisdiction and competence of its courts.

The exercise of these rights has no other limitation than the exercise of the rights of other states according to international law.​

✪ ARTICLE 6 Convention on Rights and Duties of States

The recognition of a state merely signifies that the state which recognizes it accepts the personality of the other with all the rights and duties determined by international law. Recognition is unconditional and irrevocable.​

✪ ARTICLE 7 Convention on Rights and Duties of States

The recognition of a state may be express or tacit. The latter results from any act which implies the intention of recognizing the new state.​

And then there is:

1. LETTER FROM YASSER ARAFAT TO PRIME MINISTER RABIN

September 9, 1993
Yitzhak Rabin
Prime Minister of Israel

Mr. Prime Minister,

The signing of the Declaration of Principles marks a new era in the history of the Middle East. In firm
conviction thereof, I would like to confirm the following PLO commitments:

• The PLO recognizes the right of the State of Israel to exist in peace and security.
• The PLO accepts United Nations Security Council Resolutions 242 and 338.
• The PLO commits itself to the Middle East peace process, and to a peaceful resolution of the conflict between the two sides and declares that all outstanding issues relating to permanent status will be resolved through negotiations.
• The PLO considers that the signing of the Declaration of Principles constitutes a historic event,
• inaugurating a new epoch of peaceful coexistence, free from violence and all other acts which endanger peace and stability. Accordingly, the PLO renounces the use of terrorism and other acts of violence and will assume responsibility over all PLO elements and personnel in order to assure their compliance, prevent violations and discipline violators.

In view of the pormise of a new era and the signing of the Declaration of Principles and based on Palestinian acceptance of Security Council Resolutions 242 and 338, the PLO affirms that those articles of the Palestinian Covenant which deny Israel's right to exist, and the provisions of the Covenant which are inconsistent with the commitments of this letter are now inoperative and no longer valid.

Consequently, the PLO undertakes to submit to the Palestinian National Council for formal approval the necessary changes in regard to the Palestinian Covenant.


Sincerely,
Yasser Arafat
Chairman
The Palestine Liberation Organization​

There is no required "documents showing where Israel acquired legal title and sovereignty over that land." Israel either has establish sovereign control, OR, it has not.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Israel's war crimes
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Neither sovereignty or self-determination are just pieces of official paper. These are concepts applied in reality. The Arab-Jewish Civil War in the territory to which the Mandatory Palestine applied, was an induced event as a prelude to the 1948 War on the independence of Israel. War was a product out of the UN General Assembly adoption of A/RES/181 (II) Resolution of 29 November 1947 recommending → the adoption of the Partition Plan for Palestine.

Here is one that is never discussed. Between 1947 and 1949, Israel took control of 78% of Palestine by force. It is illegal to acquire territory by the threat or use if force. This concept was included in the UN Charter in 1945.

I have seen no documents showing where Israel acquired legal title and sovereignty over that land.

(COMMENT)

In reality, no piece of paper can establish or legitimize territorial sovereignty. The territorial sovereignty becomes a reality when the people "physically" create it and effectively establishes their territory.

Stop asking questions about things that don't exist, and for which there is no requirement.

In the post-War shadow of the 1949 Armistice Arrangement, there gradually grew a Nation in the image and ideal of a Jewish National Home.

✪ ARTICLE 3 Convention on Rights and Duties of States

The political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states. Even before recognition the state has the right to defend its integrity and independence, to provide for its conservation and prosperity, and consequently to organize itself as it sees fit, to legislate upon its interests, administer its services, and to define the jurisdiction and competence of its courts.

The exercise of these rights has no other limitation than the exercise of the rights of other states according to international law.​

✪ ARTICLE 6 Convention on Rights and Duties of States

The recognition of a state merely signifies that the state which recognizes it accepts the personality of the other with all the rights and duties determined by international law. Recognition is unconditional and irrevocable.​

✪ ARTICLE 7 Convention on Rights and Duties of States

The recognition of a state may be express or tacit. The latter results from any act which implies the intention of recognizing the new state.​

And then there is:

1. LETTER FROM YASSER ARAFAT TO PRIME MINISTER RABIN

September 9, 1993
Yitzhak Rabin
Prime Minister of Israel

Mr. Prime Minister,

The signing of the Declaration of Principles marks a new era in the history of the Middle East. In firm
conviction thereof, I would like to confirm the following PLO commitments:

• The PLO recognizes the right of the State of Israel to exist in peace and security.
• The PLO accepts United Nations Security Council Resolutions 242 and 338.
• The PLO commits itself to the Middle East peace process, and to a peaceful resolution of the conflict between the two sides and declares that all outstanding issues relating to permanent status will be resolved through negotiations.
• The PLO considers that the signing of the Declaration of Principles constitutes a historic event,
• inaugurating a new epoch of peaceful coexistence, free from violence and all other acts which endanger peace and stability. Accordingly, the PLO renounces the use of terrorism and other acts of violence and will assume responsibility over all PLO elements and personnel in order to assure their compliance, prevent violations and discipline violators.

In view of the pormise of a new era and the signing of the Declaration of Principles and based on Palestinian acceptance of Security Council Resolutions 242 and 338, the PLO affirms that those articles of the Palestinian Covenant which deny Israel's right to exist, and the provisions of the Covenant which are inconsistent with the commitments of this letter are now inoperative and no longer valid.

Consequently, the PLO undertakes to submit to the Palestinian National Council for formal approval the necessary changes in regard to the Palestinian Covenant.


Sincerely,
Yasser Arafat
Chairman
The Palestine Liberation Organization​

There is no required "documents showing where Israel acquired legal title and sovereignty over that land." Israel either has establish sovereign control, OR, it has not.

Most Respectfully,
R

✪ ARTICLE 3 Convention on Rights and Duties of States
The political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states. Even before recognition the state has the right to defend its integrity and independence,...

I agree with this principle, however, I think your application is misplaced.

 

[Hollie]

RE: Israel's war crimes
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Neither sovereignty or self-determination are just pieces of official paper. These are concepts applied in reality. The Arab-Jewish Civil War in the territory to which the Mandatory Palestine applied, was an induced event as a prelude to the 1948 War on the independence of Israel. War was a product out of the UN General Assembly adoption of A/RES/181 (II) Resolution of 29 November 1947 recommending → the adoption of the Partition Plan for Palestine.

Here is one that is never discussed. Between 1947 and 1949, Israel took control of 78% of Palestine by force. It is illegal to acquire territory by the threat or use if force. This concept was included in the UN Charter in 1945.

I have seen no documents showing where Israel acquired legal title and sovereignty over that land.

(COMMENT)

In reality, no piece of paper can establish or legitimize territorial sovereignty. The territorial sovereignty becomes a reality when the people "physically" create it and effectively establishes their territory.

Stop asking questions about things that don't exist, and for which there is no requirement.

In the post-War shadow of the 1949 Armistice Arrangement, there gradually grew a Nation in the image and ideal of a Jewish National Home.

✪ ARTICLE 3 Convention on Rights and Duties of States

The political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states. Even before recognition the state has the right to defend its integrity and independence, to provide for its conservation and prosperity, and consequently to organize itself as it sees fit, to legislate upon its interests, administer its services, and to define the jurisdiction and competence of its courts.

The exercise of these rights has no other limitation than the exercise of the rights of other states according to international law.​

✪ ARTICLE 6 Convention on Rights and Duties of States

The recognition of a state merely signifies that the state which recognizes it accepts the personality of the other with all the rights and duties determined by international law. Recognition is unconditional and irrevocable.​

✪ ARTICLE 7 Convention on Rights and Duties of States

The recognition of a state may be express or tacit. The latter results from any act which implies the intention of recognizing the new state.​

And then there is:

1. LETTER FROM YASSER ARAFAT TO PRIME MINISTER RABIN

September 9, 1993
Yitzhak Rabin
Prime Minister of Israel

Mr. Prime Minister,

The signing of the Declaration of Principles marks a new era in the history of the Middle East. In firm
conviction thereof, I would like to confirm the following PLO commitments:

• The PLO recognizes the right of the State of Israel to exist in peace and security.
• The PLO accepts United Nations Security Council Resolutions 242 and 338.
• The PLO commits itself to the Middle East peace process, and to a peaceful resolution of the conflict between the two sides and declares that all outstanding issues relating to permanent status will be resolved through negotiations.
• The PLO considers that the signing of the Declaration of Principles constitutes a historic event,
• inaugurating a new epoch of peaceful coexistence, free from violence and all other acts which endanger peace and stability. Accordingly, the PLO renounces the use of terrorism and other acts of violence and will assume responsibility over all PLO elements and personnel in order to assure their compliance, prevent violations and discipline violators.

In view of the pormise of a new era and the signing of the Declaration of Principles and based on Palestinian acceptance of Security Council Resolutions 242 and 338, the PLO affirms that those articles of the Palestinian Covenant which deny Israel's right to exist, and the provisions of the Covenant which are inconsistent with the commitments of this letter are now inoperative and no longer valid.

Consequently, the PLO undertakes to submit to the Palestinian National Council for formal approval the necessary changes in regard to the Palestinian Covenant.


Sincerely,
Yasser Arafat
Chairman
The Palestine Liberation Organization​

There is no required "documents showing where Israel acquired legal title and sovereignty over that land." Israel either has establish sovereign control, OR, it has not.

Most Respectfully,
R

✪ ARTICLE 3 Convention on Rights and Duties of States
The political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states. Even before recognition the state has the right to defend its integrity and independence,...

I agree with this principle, however, I think your application is misplaced.

That silly theatre of Bertrand Russell is a hoot. It’s just another of the silly YouTube videos you litter the board with.

 

[Ecocertifmrl]

RE: Israel's war crimes
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Neither sovereignty or self-determination are just pieces of official paper. These are concepts applied in reality. The Arab-Jewish Civil War in the territory to which the Mandatory Palestine applied, was an induced event as a prelude to the 1948 War on the independence of Israel. War was a product out of the UN General Assembly adoption of A/RES/181 (II) Resolution of 29 November 1947 recommending → the adoption of the Partition Plan for Palestine.

Here is one that is never discussed. Between 1947 and 1949, Israel took control of 78% of Palestine by force. It is illegal to acquire territory by the threat or use if force. This concept was included in the UN Charter in 1945.

I have seen no documents showing where Israel acquired legal title and sovereignty over that land.

(COMMENT)

In reality, no piece of paper can establish or legitimize territorial sovereignty. The territorial sovereignty becomes a reality when the people "physically" create it and effectively establishes their territory.

Stop asking questions about things that don't exist, and for which there is no requirement.

In the post-War shadow of the 1949 Armistice Arrangement, there gradually grew a Nation in the image and ideal of a Jewish National Home.

✪ ARTICLE 3 Convention on Rights and Duties of States

The political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states. Even before recognition the state has the right to defend its integrity and independence, to provide for its conservation and prosperity, and consequently to organize itself as it sees fit, to legislate upon its interests, administer its services, and to define the jurisdiction and competence of its courts.

The exercise of these rights has no other limitation than the exercise of the rights of other states according to international law.​

✪ ARTICLE 6 Convention on Rights and Duties of States

The recognition of a state merely signifies that the state which recognizes it accepts the personality of the other with all the rights and duties determined by international law. Recognition is unconditional and irrevocable.​

✪ ARTICLE 7 Convention on Rights and Duties of States

The recognition of a state may be express or tacit. The latter results from any act which implies the intention of recognizing the new state.​

And then there is:

1. LETTER FROM YASSER ARAFAT TO PRIME MINISTER RABIN

September 9, 1993
Yitzhak Rabin
Prime Minister of Israel

Mr. Prime Minister,

The signing of the Declaration of Principles marks a new era in the history of the Middle East. In firm
conviction thereof, I would like to confirm the following PLO commitments:

• The PLO recognizes the right of the State of Israel to exist in peace and security.
• The PLO accepts United Nations Security Council Resolutions 242 and 338.
• The PLO commits itself to the Middle East peace process, and to a peaceful resolution of the conflict between the two sides and declares that all outstanding issues relating to permanent status will be resolved through negotiations.
• The PLO considers that the signing of the Declaration of Principles constitutes a historic event,
• inaugurating a new epoch of peaceful coexistence, free from violence and all other acts which endanger peace and stability. Accordingly, the PLO renounces the use of terrorism and other acts of violence and will assume responsibility over all PLO elements and personnel in order to assure their compliance, prevent violations and discipline violators.

In view of the pormise of a new era and the signing of the Declaration of Principles and based on Palestinian acceptance of Security Council Resolutions 242 and 338, the PLO affirms that those articles of the Palestinian Covenant which deny Israel's right to exist, and the provisions of the Covenant which are inconsistent with the commitments of this letter are now inoperative and no longer valid.

Consequently, the PLO undertakes to submit to the Palestinian National Council for formal approval the necessary changes in regard to the Palestinian Covenant.


Sincerely,
Yasser Arafat
Chairman
The Palestine Liberation Organization​

There is no required "documents showing where Israel acquired legal title and sovereignty over that land." Israel either has establish sovereign control, OR, it has not.

Most Respectfully,
R

You expect me to read that? Some of us are employed, try to make your point clear.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Israel's war crimes
※→ P F Tinmore, Ecocertifmrlet, et al,

Both of these responses are flawed in their own way.

You expect me to read that? Some of us are employed, try to make your point clear.

(COMMENT)

My narrative is rather short and small. A majority of that response is the very international laws and concepts at the heart of the matter. To not understand these few lines, is to miss the intellectual tools you need to understand the actual center to how sovereignty, territorial integrity and independence were developed in one case (Israel) and why the lack of these three keys resulted in the lack of a nation in the other (State of Palestine).

Read it, or not read it (the Ostrich effect) → I have no expectation in terms of your understanding. But you will have difficulty understanding the principles of the self-determination of self-governing institutions if you don't understand the underpinning.

I agree with this principle, however, I think your application is misplaced.

(COMMENT)

Either these principles apply to all nations (including Israel), and the establishment of sovereignty, territorial integrity and independence, through self-determination - or - it is a fantasy and does not apply to any nation (including the State of Palestine).

You cannot (absolutely not) demand that these principles apply to the Arab Palestinian struggle to emerge - and then - withhold them from the establishment and development of the Israeli People. What you get when you try to do that is an endless conflict between a Highly Advanced Culture (Israel Ranked 18th) and a much lesser developed culture (State of Palestine Ranked 114th).

And don't use the lame excuse that Israel developed faster because of US Support and Aid. The support and aid that the Arab Palestinians acquired from the League of Arab States, the Oil Rich Arab Sheikhs, and the Consortium of Donor Nations more than make-up for the difference. And remember, the US has been consistently making contributions to the Arab Palestinians for a very long time (since before the Consortium began).

Paris donor nations pledge billions for Palestinians
• The Guardian, 17 DEC 2017 •
Palestinians today won a powerful signal of international and Arab support for an independent state, with billions of dollars of aid pledges to revive their economy and help boost renewed but still badly faltering peace negotiations with Israel.​

(QUESTION)

How did they use all that money???

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[USAF 2023]

RE: Israel's war crimes
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Neither sovereignty or self-determination are just pieces of official paper. These are concepts applied in reality. The Arab-Jewish Civil War in the territory to which the Mandatory Palestine applied, was an induced event as a prelude to the 1948 War on the independence of Israel. War was a product out of the UN General Assembly adoption of A/RES/181 (II) Resolution of 29 November 1947 recommending → the adoption of the Partition Plan for Palestine.

Here is one that is never discussed. Between 1947 and 1949, Israel took control of 78% of Palestine by force. It is illegal to acquire territory by the threat or use if force. This concept was included in the UN Charter in 1945.

I have seen no documents showing where Israel acquired legal title and sovereignty over that land.

(COMMENT)

In reality, no piece of paper can establish or legitimize territorial sovereignty. The territorial sovereignty becomes a reality when the people "physically" create it and effectively establishes their territory.

Stop asking questions about things that don't exist, and for which there is no requirement.

In the post-War shadow of the 1949 Armistice Arrangement, there gradually grew a Nation in the image and ideal of a Jewish National Home.

✪ ARTICLE 3 Convention on Rights and Duties of States

The political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states. Even before recognition the state has the right to defend its integrity and independence, to provide for its conservation and prosperity, and consequently to organize itself as it sees fit, to legislate upon its interests, administer its services, and to define the jurisdiction and competence of its courts.

The exercise of these rights has no other limitation than the exercise of the rights of other states according to international law.​

✪ ARTICLE 6 Convention on Rights and Duties of States

The recognition of a state merely signifies that the state which recognizes it accepts the personality of the other with all the rights and duties determined by international law. Recognition is unconditional and irrevocable.​

✪ ARTICLE 7 Convention on Rights and Duties of States

The recognition of a state may be express or tacit. The latter results from any act which implies the intention of recognizing the new state.​

And then there is:

1. LETTER FROM YASSER ARAFAT TO PRIME MINISTER RABIN

September 9, 1993
Yitzhak Rabin
Prime Minister of Israel

Mr. Prime Minister,

The signing of the Declaration of Principles marks a new era in the history of the Middle East. In firm
conviction thereof, I would like to confirm the following PLO commitments:

• The PLO recognizes the right of the State of Israel to exist in peace and security.
• The PLO accepts United Nations Security Council Resolutions 242 and 338.
• The PLO commits itself to the Middle East peace process, and to a peaceful resolution of the conflict between the two sides and declares that all outstanding issues relating to permanent status will be resolved through negotiations.
• The PLO considers that the signing of the Declaration of Principles constitutes a historic event,
• inaugurating a new epoch of peaceful coexistence, free from violence and all other acts which endanger peace and stability. Accordingly, the PLO renounces the use of terrorism and other acts of violence and will assume responsibility over all PLO elements and personnel in order to assure their compliance, prevent violations and discipline violators.

In view of the pormise of a new era and the signing of the Declaration of Principles and based on Palestinian acceptance of Security Council Resolutions 242 and 338, the PLO affirms that those articles of the Palestinian Covenant which deny Israel's right to exist, and the provisions of the Covenant which are inconsistent with the commitments of this letter are now inoperative and no longer valid.

Consequently, the PLO undertakes to submit to the Palestinian National Council for formal approval the necessary changes in regard to the Palestinian Covenant.


Sincerely,
Yasser Arafat
Chairman
The Palestine Liberation Organization​

There is no required "documents showing where Israel acquired legal title and sovereignty over that land." Israel either has establish sovereign control, OR, it has not.

Most Respectfully,
R

You expect me to read that? Some of us are employed, try to make your point clear.

So are the majority of the posters. Try reading it on your bathroom break. That should give you plenty of time

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Israel's war crimes
※→ P F Tinmore, Ecocertifmrlet, et al,

Both of these responses are flawed in their own way.

You expect me to read that? Some of us are employed, try to make your point clear.

(COMMENT)

My narrative is rather short and small. A majority of that response is the very international laws and concepts at the heart of the matter. To not understand these few lines, is to miss the intellectual tools you need to understand the actual center to how sovereignty, territorial integrity and independence were developed in one case (Israel) and why the lack of these three keys resulted in the lack of a nation in the other (State of Palestine).

Read it, or not read it (the Ostrich effect) → I have no expectation in terms of your understanding. But you will have difficulty understanding the principles of the self-determination of self-governing institutions if you don't understand the underpinning.

I agree with this principle, however, I think your application is misplaced.

(COMMENT)

Either these principles apply to all nations (including Israel), and the establishment of sovereignty, territorial integrity and independence, through self-determination - or - it is a fantasy and does not apply to any nation (including the State of Palestine).

You cannot (absolutely not) demand that these principles apply to the Arab Palestinian struggle to emerge - and then - withhold them from the establishment and development of the Israeli People. What you get when you try to do that is an endless conflict between a Highly Advanced Culture (Israel Ranked 18th) and a much lesser developed culture (State of Palestine Ranked 114th).

And don't use the lame excuse that Israel developed faster because of US Support and Aid. The support and aid that the Arab Palestinians acquired from the League of Arab States, the Oil Rich Arab Sheikhs, and the Consortium of Donor Nations more than make-up for the difference. And remember, the US has been consistently making contributions to the Arab Palestinians for a very long time (since before the Consortium began).

Paris donor nations pledge billions for Palestinians
• The Guardian, 17 DEC 2017 •
Palestinians today won a powerful signal of international and Arab support for an independent state, with billions of dollars of aid pledges to revive their economy and help boost renewed but still badly faltering peace negotiations with Israel.​

(QUESTION)

How did they use all that money???

Most Respectfully,
R

You cannot (absolutely not) demand that these principles apply to the Arab Palestinian struggle to emerge - and then - withhold them from the establishment and development of the Israeli People.

It would be interesting to see you try to justify this assertion.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Paris donor nations pledge billions for Palestinians
• The Guardian, 17 DEC 2017 •
Palestinians today won a powerful signal of international and Arab support for an independent state, with billions of dollars of aid pledges to revive their economy and help boost renewed but still badly faltering peace negotiations with Israel.
(QUESTION)

How did they use all that money???

They don't get cash. They get stuff. What stuff did they get to develop their economy?