Israelis Now Bombing Rafah Designated "Safe Zone" Where Civilians Have Been Pushed

[Shusha]

That is a question for Netanfuckyou! If Israel would end the occupation and allow the Palestinians freedom of movement, there would be peace in the region. But Israel doesn't want that.

Wait, what?! So, you are saying that if Israel permitted the importation of weapons, then the people of Gaza would just stop importing weapons and stop attacking Israel?

 

[Shusha]

It doesn't matter what Jordan did. They are not occupying that land.

Gee, for someone who consistently whines that you can't take land by force, you get awfully "it doesn't matter" when Jordan and Egypt do it. Seems you are applying the legal concept of "taking land by force" differently depending on which state is doing the forcing. That doesn't seem right.

 

[Grau]

MAYBE Hamas should have thought of the fallout from Oct 7th

I don't know why apologists for Netanyahu's genocide pretend that Levantine history began on 7 October 2023.

Jews and Muslims got along reasonably well until the invasion of foreign, Nazi trained and armed Zionist terrorist gangs.

It was foreign Zionists who refused to accept the native Palestinian residents according to the British Hope - Simpson Report of 1930. (1)

The same foreign Zionist terrorist gangs went on to commit atrocities worse than those of Hamas (2) while destroying 500 Palestinian villages and illegally expelling Palestine's native residents.

7 October was just part of the fallout for decades of persecution at the hands of the "Israel Massacre Forces":


"The Israel Massacre Forces"
https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-the-israel-massacre-forces-1.5962852

EXCERPT "The shooting on the Gaza border shows once again that the killing of Palestinians is accepted in Israel more lightly than the killing of mosquitoes"CONTINUED



(1). “Top Ten Myths about the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict”
http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2010/06/17/top-ten-myths-about-the-israeli-palestinian-conflict/

EXCERPT "Myth #1 – Jews and Arabs have always been in conflict in the region.

"Although Arabs were a majority in Palestine prior to the creation of the state of Israel, there had always been a Jewish population, as well. For the most part, Jewish Palestinians got along with their Arab neighbors. This began to change with the onset of the Zionist movement, because the Zionists rejected the right of the Palestinians to self-determination and wanted Palestine for their own, to create a “Jewish State” in a region where Arabs were the majority and owned most of the land.

The British Hope-Simpson report of 1930 similarly noted that Jewish residents of non-Zionist communities in Palestine enjoyed friendship with their Arab neighbors. “It is quite a common sight to see an Arab sitting in the verandah of a Jewish house”, the report noted. “The position is entirely different in the Zionist colonies."CONTINUED



(2). " 9th April, 1948: 65th anniversary of Deir Yassin Massacre!"

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EXCERPT "Around 250 people were murdered in cold blood. Of these, 25 were pregnant women who were bayoneted in the abdomen while still alive. Fifty-two children were maimed under the eyes of their own mothers, before being slain and having their heads cut off. The Jewish Agency and the commander of the British ground troops were aware the massacre was taking place, but no one attempted to intervene." CONTINUED

 

[Grau]

If there is no universally accepted combatant-to-civilian death ratio -- how can you say that Israel's is "bad"? Do you even know what the combatant-to-civilian death ratio is for various modern conflicts?

And there you go again. "...the worst in modern history". What are you using to measure such a thing?

You are just shouting out vile slogans in the hopes that something will stick.

All of the questions you asked are addressed in the source I cited earlier.

"Daily death rate in Gaza higher than any other major 21st Century conflict - Oxfam"​

Daily death rate in Gaza higher than any other major 21st Century conflict - Oxfam | Oxfam International​

www.oxfam.org

Published: 11th January 2024

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Crisis in Gaza
GAZA CRISIS APPEAL

"Israeli military killing 250 Palestinians per day with many more lives at risk from hunger, disease and cold"​

EXCERPTS "Israel’s military is killing Palestinians at an average rate of 250 people a day which exceeds the daily death toll of any other major conflict of recent years, Oxfam said today, as the escalation of hostilities nears its 100th day.

Israel’s total blockade of the Gaza Strip is restricting life-saving aid, including food, medical supplies, and water and sanitation facilities.

“On top of the already horrific death toll, many more people could die from hunger, preventable diseases, diarrhoea, and cold. The situation is particularly worrying for children, pregnant women and those with existing medical conditions." CONTINUED


Ethical Jews around the world are condemning Netanyahu's genocide for what it is and you're quibbling about ratios and rhetoric.

America can no longer be complicit in Netanyahu's open ended genocidal folly.

 

[Oldestyle]

I don't know why apologists for Netanyahu's genocide pretend that Levantine history began on 7 October 2023.

Jews and Muslims got along reasonably well until the invasion of foreign, Nazi trained and armed Zionist terrorist gangs.

It was foreign Zionists who refused to accept the native Palestinian residents according to the British Hope - Simpson Report of 1930. (1)

The same foreign Zionist terrorist gangs went on to commit atrocities worse than those of Hamas (2) while destroying 500 Palestinian villages and illegally expelling Palestine's native residents.

7 October was just part of the fallout for decades of persecution at the hands of the "Israel Massacre Forces":


"The Israel Massacre Forces"
https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-the-israel-massacre-forces-1.5962852

EXCERPT "The shooting on the Gaza border shows once again that the killing of Palestinians is accepted in Israel more lightly than the killing of mosquitoes"CONTINUED



(1). “Top Ten Myths about the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict”
http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2010/06/17/top-ten-myths-about-the-israeli-palestinian-conflict/

EXCERPT "Myth #1 – Jews and Arabs have always been in conflict in the region.

"Although Arabs were a majority in Palestine prior to the creation of the state of Israel, there had always been a Jewish population, as well. For the most part, Jewish Palestinians got along with their Arab neighbors. This began to change with the onset of the Zionist movement, because the Zionists rejected the right of the Palestinians to self-determination and wanted Palestine for their own, to create a “Jewish State” in a region where Arabs were the majority and owned most of the land.

The British Hope-Simpson report of 1930 similarly noted that Jewish residents of non-Zionist communities in Palestine enjoyed friendship with their Arab neighbors. “It is quite a common sight to see an Arab sitting in the verandah of a Jewish house”, the report noted. “The position is entirely different in the Zionist colonies."CONTINUED



(2). " 9th April, 1948: 65th anniversary of Deir Yassin Massacre!"

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EXCERPT "Around 250 people were murdered in cold blood. Of these, 25 were pregnant women who were bayoneted in the abdomen while still alive. Fifty-two children were maimed under the eyes of their own mothers, before being slain and having their heads cut off. The Jewish Agency and the commander of the British ground troops were aware the massacre was taking place, but no one attempted to intervene." CONTINUED

As a historian I'm amused by your portrayal of what happened at Deir Yassin. There was a battle between Jewish forces and Arabs but your claims about rape, bayoneting of pregnant women and children having their heads cut off were a fabrication by the Arab League hoping to outrage Arabs in the region and draw them into the conflict. It was propaganda that backfired because it scared Arabs into leaving. Prior to the attack the Jews asked civilians to evacuate the town and many were indeed allowed to leave. Why would that have taken place if a "massacre" was planned?

 

[USAF 2023]

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When Jews were perceived as having achieved too comfortable a position in Islamic society, anti-Semitism would surface, often with devastating results: On December 30, 1066, Joseph HaNagid, the Jewish vizier of Granada Spain, was crucified by an Arab mob that proceeded to raze the Jewish quarter of the city and slaughter its 5,000 inhabitants. The riot was incited by Muslim preachers who had angrily objected to what they saw as inordinate Jewish political power.

Similarly, in 1465, Arab mobs in Fez slaughtered thousands of Jews, leaving only 11 alive, after a Jewish deputy vizier treated a Muslim woman in an offensive manner. The killings touched off a wave of similar massacres throughout Morocco.(6)

Other mass murders of Jews in Arab lands occurred in Morocco in the 8th century, where whole communities were wiped out by Muslim ruler Idris I; North Africa in the 12th century, where the Almohads either forcibly converted or decimated several communities; Libya in 1785, where Ali Burzi Pasha murdered hundreds of Jews; Algiers, where Jews were massacred in 1805, 1815 and 1830 and Marrakesh, Morocco, where more than 300 hundred Jews were murdered between 1864 and 1880.(7)

Decrees ordering the destruction of synagogues were enacted in Egypt and Syria (1014, 1293-4, 1301-2), Iraq (854-859, 1344) and Yemen (1676). Despite the Koran's prohibition, Jews were forced to convert to Islam or face death in Yemen (1165 and 1678), Morocco (1275, 1465 and 1790-92) and Baghdad (1333 and 1344).(8)

As distinguished Orientalist G.E. von Grunebaum has written:

It would not be difficult to put together the names of a very sizeable number of Jewish subjects or citizens of the Islamic area who have attained to high rank, to power, to great financial influence, to significant and recognized intellectual attainment; and the same could be done for Christians. But it would again not be difficult to compile a lengthy list of persecutions, arbitrary confiscations, attempted forced conversions, or pogroms.(9)

The situation of Jews in Arab lands reached a low point in the 19th century. Jews in most of North Africa (including Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt, Libya and Morocco) were forced to live in ghettos. In Morocco, which contained the largest Jewish community in the Islamic Diaspora, Jews were made to walk barefoot or wear shoes of straw when outside the ghetto. Even Muslim children participated in the degradation of Jews, by throwing stones at them or harassing them in other ways. The frequency of anti-Jewish violence increased, and many Jews were executed on charges of apostasy. Ritual murder accusations against the Jews became commonplace in the Ottoman Empire.(10)

By the twentieth century, the status of the dhimmi in Muslim lands had not significantly improved. H.E.W. Young, British Vice Consul in Mosul, wrote in 1909:

The attitude of the Muslims toward the Christians and the Jews is that of a master towards slaves, whom he treats with a certain lordly tolerance so long as they keep their place. Any sign of pretension to equality is promptly repressed.(11)

The danger for Jews became even greater as a showdown approached in the UN over partition in 1947. The Syrian delegate, Faris el-Khouri, warned: Unless the Palestine problem is settled, we shall have difficulty in protecting and safeguarding the Jews in the Arab world.(12)

More than a thousand Jews were killed in anti-Jewish rioting during the 1940s in Iraq, Libya, Egypt, Syria, and Yemen.(13) This helped trigger the mass exodus of Jews from Arab countries.
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[Markle]

That is a question for Netanfuckyou! If Israel would end the occupation and allow the Palestinians freedom of movement, there would be peace in the region. But Israel doesn't want that.

 

[Billo_Really]

Title was transferred to Israel in 1948. There was no other state in 1948 who had sovereign title to any of that territory, only Israel. There were no borders dividing the Mandate of Palestine when the title transferred to Israel. You can't time travel, you know. You can't pretend that the 1967 "borders" existed in 1948.

The Mandate granted land to Israel with the caveat that it did not disenfranchise the existing non-Jewish population in the area. But that's not what you did, was it? You are so selfish, you wanted the entire area for yourselves!

There is nothing you can say or do that changes the fact that there was an existing population of Palestinian-Arabs living in that area for generations and they have rights!

 

[Billo_Really]

Gee, for someone who consistently whines that you can't take land by force, you get awfully "it doesn't matter" when Jordan and Egypt do it. Seems you are applying the legal concept of "taking land by force" differently depending on which state is doing the forcing. That doesn't seem right.

Did Jordan acquire land in the '67 war? No they did not. End of discussion!

 

[Billo_Really]

What a pretty *****!

 

[Shusha]

All of the questions you asked are addressed in the source I cited earlier.

Your sources are uninteresting and largely opinion pieces or propaganda pieces. And you post too many of them. This one is also wildly inaccurate, even after they posted corrections admitting that their first two reports contained inaccuracies.

 

[Shusha]

Israel’s total blockade of the Gaza Strip is restricting life-saving aid, including food, medical supplies, and water and sanitation facilities.

Good example of inaccurate misinformation. Israel is not restricting any of these items. In fact, Israel ability to verify aid exceeds the capacity to distribute it, even after Hamas takes its 60% cut.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I don't know why apologists for Netanyahu's genocide pretend that Levantine history began on 7 October 2023.

Jews and Muslims got along reasonably well until the invasion of foreign, Nazi trained and armed Zionist terrorist gangs.

It was foreign Zionists who refused to accept the native Palestinian residents according to the British Hope - Simpson Report of 1930. (1)

The same foreign Zionist terrorist gangs went on to commit atrocities worse than those of Hamas (2) while destroying 500 Palestinian villages and illegally expelling Palestine's native residents.

7 October was just part of the fallout for decades of persecution at the hands of the "Israel Massacre Forces":


"The Israel Massacre Forces"
https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-the-israel-massacre-forces-1.5962852

EXCERPT "The shooting on the Gaza border shows once again that the killing of Palestinians is accepted in Israel more lightly than the killing of mosquitoes"CONTINUED



(1). “Top Ten Myths about the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict”
http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2010/06/17/top-ten-myths-about-the-israeli-palestinian-conflict/

EXCERPT "Myth #1 – Jews and Arabs have always been in conflict in the region.

"Although Arabs were a majority in Palestine prior to the creation of the state of Israel, there had always been a Jewish population, as well. For the most part, Jewish Palestinians got along with their Arab neighbors. This began to change with the onset of the Zionist movement, because the Zionists rejected the right of the Palestinians to self-determination and wanted Palestine for their own, to create a “Jewish State” in a region where Arabs were the majority and owned most of the land.

The British Hope-Simpson report of 1930 similarly noted that Jewish residents of non-Zionist communities in Palestine enjoyed friendship with their Arab neighbors. “It is quite a common sight to see an Arab sitting in the verandah of a Jewish house”, the report noted. “The position is entirely different in the Zionist colonies."CONTINUED



(2). " 9th April, 1948: 65th anniversary of Deir Yassin Massacre!"

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EXCERPT "Around 250 people were murdered in cold blood. Of these, 25 were pregnant women who were bayoneted in the abdomen while still alive. Fifty-two children were maimed under the eyes of their own mothers, before being slain and having their heads cut off. The Jewish Agency and the commander of the British ground troops were aware the massacre was taking place, but no one attempted to intervene." CONTINUED

Jews and Muslims got along reasonably well until the invasion of foreign, Nazi trained and armed Zionist terrorist gangs.

Except for the occasional slaughter of Jews when the Muslims heard a rumor.

 

[Shusha]

The Mandate granted land to Israel

Yes. Exactly. Sovereign title of the Mandate for Palestine was granted to Israel.

with the caveat that it did not disenfranchise the existing non-Jewish population in the area. But that's not what you did, was it? You are so selfish, you wanted the entire area for yourselves!

Sovereign title of the Mandate for Palestine was granted to Israel.

There is nothing you can say or do that changes the fact that there was an existing population of Palestinian-Arabs living in that area for generations and they have rights!

I wholeheartedly agree they have rights. What they don't have is sovereign territory.

 

[Weatherman2020]

This is genocide any way you cut it.

76 years of genocide!
As Gaza population has gone from 11,000 to 2.1 million!

 

[Shusha]

Did Jordan acquire land in the '67 war? No they did not. End of discussion!

Hardly. Did Jordan acquire land in the 1948 war?

You've just admitted that the Mandate for Palestine was granted to Israel. In 1948, then, WHO took territory by force?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Did Jordan acquire land in the '67 war? No they did not. End of discussion!

Did Jordan acquire land in the '48 war?

 

[Billo_Really]

Yes. Exactly. Sovereign title of the Mandate for Palestine was granted to Israel.

Sovereign title of the Mandate for Palestine was granted to Israel.

I wholeheartedly agree they have rights. What they don't have is sovereign territory.

Neither does Israel. In 1948, Palestinian-Arabs were the majority land owners. But because of Zionist terrorist groups, you drove out 750,000 Palestinians off their farms.

If I was President, I would **** you people up! I would send in the marines and drive you fuckers back to your own territory.

 

[Billo_Really]

Hardly. Did Jordan acquire land in the 1948 war?

You've just admitted that the Mandate for Palestine was granted to Israel. In 1948, then, WHO took territory by force?

The Mandate did not give Israel the entire area.

 

[Shusha]

Neither does Israel. In 1948, Palestinian-Arabs were the majority land owners. But because of Zionist terrorist groups, you drove out 750,000 Palestinians off their farms.

If I was President, I would **** you people up! I would send in the marines and drive you fuckers back to your own territory.

OMG. You make no sense at all. If neither Israel nor the Arab Palestinians have sovereign territory - HOW CAN ONE BE OCCUPYING THE OTHER?