"Israeli policies don't affect anti-Semitism"

[Indeependent]

One Jew said this and a Billion Muslims cried, "Kill the Jews!".
Next!

This one Jews was mourned by 1 million Israeli Jews when he died.

And thank God this racist devil died. He caused a lot of anti-Semitism.

I've heard from people who followed his career that he was a little off the beam.
Yet all of these people are still alive!
And he isn't.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

 

[Roudy]

I think I read somewhere that Joshua was given the task to drive out all other people from the land. Or he wouldn't get any Christmas presents..

The Muslims read the Torah and learned that its ok for foreigners to invade and conquer The Holy Land.

Ah I see. So that's why Jews have been one of the most peaceful people throughout the millennia and Muslims the most violent. Thanks for the clarification.

According to Defeat67 Jews are now responsible for Islamic barbarism, not Mohammad.

 

[Lipush]

That's a missed interpretation.

God chose the Jews to recive the Torah, it doesn't mean Jews are better or worse than other people.

Jews are called "Ha'Am HaNivchar" ('The chosen people') and not "Ha'Am HaMuvchar" ('The prime people')

In an October 2010 sermon, Yosef stated that "The sole purpose of non-Jews is to serve Jews". He said that Gentiles served a divine purpose: "Why are Gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat. That is why Gentiles were created."[71]

In the same article in The Jerusalem Post, according to the journalist who interviewed him, Yosef compared Gentiles to donkeys whose life has the sole purpose to serve the master: "In Israel, death has no dominion over them... With gentiles, it will be like any person – they need to die, but [God] will give them longevity. Why? Imagine that one's donkey would die, they'd lose their money. This is his servant... That's why he gets a long life, to work well for this Jew. Gentiles were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world – only to serve the People of Israel."[72]

Ovadia Yosef - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

One miserable quote of Rabbi Ovadia and you wave it around endlessly.

Maran was a respected figure. But he was not God!

Next.

 

[Lipush]

One Jew said this and a Billion Muslims cried, "Kill the Jews!".
Next!

This one Jews was mourned by 1 million Israeli Jews when he died.

And thank God this racist devil died. He caused a lot of anti-Semitism.

he died at the age of 93.

At that age most people tend to die.

No need to thank God. Human body gives up at that age.

True story.

 

[P F Tinmore]

So, in the Western Cultures, developing on past the social norms of the 14th Century, some aspects of morality as simply beyond rational discussion with the Arab. The Arab narcissism and arrogance to assume that they were never wrong in the historic rise of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict (virtual victim syndrome) is something that needs to be understood and accommodated just like any other disability.

Most Respectfully,
R

Respectfully, R - how then do you analyze the fact that the Israeli's (or pro-Israelis) refuse to see any wrong done on their side in the rise of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict? How do you explain the fact that they and their supporters are constantly painting themselves as victims?

I'm thinking your analysis might be a bit one-sided here.

In the last 20 years, Israel has elected as Prime Minister at least TWO men who agreed to give up a heck of a lot of land for peace.
Each time, Arafat's wife called him and reminded him to keep sending the checks.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Believing in a myth called "Palestine" makes less sense than believing in Biblical miracles.

Ahm just sayin'...

It's no different than the myth that God "chose" you over other people.

That's a missed interpretation.

God chose the Jews to recive the Torah, it doesn't mean Jews are better or worse than other people.

Jews are called "Ha'Am HaNivchar" ('The chosen people') and not "Ha'Am HaMuvchar" ('The prime people')

Nice interpretation.

 

[P F Tinmore]

How about you giving an example of how Jews visit Gaza all the time in complete safety?

I just gave a couple.

You need to keep up.

I have checked, and you haven't given any examples at all. You need to stop trying to squirm out of that one. Tell us, how do Jews visit Gaza all the time in complete safety?

There are Jews in the ISM. Neturei Karta visited twice. Code Pink, a predominately Jewish organization, has been to Gaza three times. The free Gaza boats that got through to Gaza had Jews on them. The convoys to Gaza had Jews. Richard Goldstone is a Jew.

I have seen no reports of any attacks.

 

[Sally]

I just gave a couple.

You need to keep up.

I have checked, and you haven't given any examples at all. You need to stop trying to squirm out of that one. Tell us, how do Jews visit Gaza all the time in complete safety?

There are Jews in the ISM. Neturei Karta visited twice. Code Pink, a predominately Jewish organization, has been to Gaza three times. The free Gaza boats that got through to Gaza had Jews on them. The convoys to Gaza had Jews. Richard Goldstone is a Jew.

I have seen no reports of any attacks.

But, Mr. Tinmore, all you are doing is really just mentioning Leftist Jews who went into Gaza. Your buddies love these Leftist Jews because they are helping your buddies' cause. Meanwhile, can you tell us of any ordinary Jews who have visited Gaza the way that many ordinary Jews have visited Jordan for the day. I was told that the Jordanians treated these visiting Jews very nicely on their visit. These Code Pink Ladies remind me of Cindy Sheehan who called Hugo Chavez her good friend. By the way, if Goldstone was in Gaza, it was only to gather information for his report.

Jewish Bubba: Anti-Israel: Code Pink Ladies

 

[P F Tinmore]

I have checked, and you haven't given any examples at all. You need to stop trying to squirm out of that one. Tell us, how do Jews visit Gaza all the time in complete safety?

There are Jews in the ISM. Neturei Karta visited twice. Code Pink, a predominately Jewish organization, has been to Gaza three times. The free Gaza boats that got through to Gaza had Jews on them. The convoys to Gaza had Jews. Richard Goldstone is a Jew.

I have seen no reports of any attacks.

But, Mr. Tinmore, all you are doing is really just mentioning Leftist Jews who went into Gaza. Your buddies love these Leftist Jews because they are helping your buddies' cause. Meanwhile, can you tell us of any ordinary Jews who have visited Gaza the way that many ordinary Jews have visited Jordan for the day. I was told that the Jordanians treated these visiting Jews very nicely on their visit. These Code Pink Ladies remind me of Cindy Sheehan who called Hugo Chavez her good friend. By the way, if Goldstone was in Gaza, it was only to gather information for his report.

Jewish Bubba: Anti-Israel: Code Pink Ladies

OK, so?

 

[Roudy]

I just gave a couple.

You need to keep up.

I have checked, and you haven't given any examples at all. You need to stop trying to squirm out of that one. Tell us, how do Jews visit Gaza all the time in complete safety?

There are Jews in the ISM. Neturei Karta visited twice. Code Pink, a predominately Jewish organization, has been to Gaza three times. The free Gaza boats that got through to Gaza had Jews on them. The convoys to Gaza had Jews. Richard Goldstone is a Jew.

I have seen no reports of any attacks.

You are so silly, would you like me to post 100 pages listing all of the attacks? In the past when we've pointed out such savage attacks your response was "well what were these Jews doing in a war zone?" You can't have it both ways, bozo.

 

[Sally]

I have checked, and you haven't given any examples at all. You need to stop trying to squirm out of that one. Tell us, how do Jews visit Gaza all the time in complete safety?

There are Jews in the ISM. Neturei Karta visited twice. Code Pink, a predominately Jewish organization, has been to Gaza three times. The free Gaza boats that got through to Gaza had Jews on them. The convoys to Gaza had Jews. Richard Goldstone is a Jew.

I have seen no reports of any attacks.

You are so silly, would you like me to post 100 pages listing all of the attacks? In the past when we've pointed out such savage attacks your response was "well what were these Jews doing in a war zone?" You can't have it both ways, bozo.

What Mr. Tinmore would never mention, with regard to the ISM, is that they allowed an armed terrorist to hide out in their office, and this terrorist consequently went to Mike's Place and blew himself up, killing several innocent people and wounding many others.

 

[Indeependent]

There are Jews in the ISM. Neturei Karta visited twice. Code Pink, a predominately Jewish organization, has been to Gaza three times. The free Gaza boats that got through to Gaza had Jews on them. The convoys to Gaza had Jews. Richard Goldstone is a Jew.

I have seen no reports of any attacks.

You are so silly, would you like me to post 100 pages listing all of the attacks? In the past when we've pointed out such savage attacks your response was "well what were these Jews doing in a war zone?" You can't have it both ways, bozo.

What Mr. Tinmore would never mention, with regard to the ISM, is that they allowed an armed terrorist to hide out in their office, and this terrorist consequently went to Mike's Place and blew himself up, killing several innocent people and wounding many others.

Until the Zionists leave Zion, there are NO innocent people!!!!!!
Ach!!!

 

[Coyote]

So, in the Western Cultures, developing on past the social norms of the 14th Century, some aspects of morality as simply beyond rational discussion with the Arab. The Arab narcissism and arrogance to assume that they were never wrong in the historic rise of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict (virtual victim syndrome) is something that needs to be understood and accommodated just like any other disability.

Most Respectfully,
R

Respectfully, R - how then do you analyze the fact that the Israeli's (or pro-Israelis) refuse to see any wrong done on their side in the rise of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict? How do you explain the fact that they and their supporters are constantly painting themselves as victims?

I'm thinking your analysis might be a bit one-sided here.

I think you're off base here.

I don't think any poster here believes Israel is 100% right all the time. It's an interpertavvfdnv....whatever the word is... of other posters, here.

Do you think any posters here believe the Palestinians are right 100% of the time?

 

[Coyote]

Coyote, Victory67, et al,

Being "wrong" is all a part of the human experience.

Respectfully, R - how then do you analyze the fact that the Israeli's (or pro-Israelis) refuse to see any wrong done on their side in the rise of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict? How do you explain the fact that they and their supporters are constantly painting themselves as victims?

I'm thinking your analysis might be a bit one-sided here.

(COMMENT)

Clearly, there is - associated with the Israeli, an entire list of events where their decisions were "wrong." I, least of all, would never claim that in every calamity or serious event, in the sorted history of the Arab-Israeli Conflict, would claim that Israel was entirely right, or in the right, or even holding the moral high ground. (That would be a foolish position to hold.)

Rarely do you find that the Israeli, themselves, claim to be the victim. On the contrary, they overreact to assure that they are not the victim. It is the consensus of the Western World that they were, for centuries, the victim and required special attention, much like an endangered species, to insure that they have a habitat (Jewish National Home) for their preservation.

But to suggest that they were always in the right, is something that we cannot say. The best we could say, is that they have been, until the last decades of the 20th Century, less wrong.

Meanwhile anyone who criticizes Israel or the settlements is called a "Nazi anti-Semite".

Anyone who accuses the Israelis of racist actions is called a "Nazi anti-Semite".

Looks like Zionists are the narcissists who think they can do no wrong.

(COMMENT)

Certainly, it is fair to criticize the Israel with fear of being called a "Nazi anti-Semite." But it is totally unfair, and incorrect to attempt to exaggerate some of the Israeli reactions as "apartheid, racist, and genocidal." Clearly, if these labels were true, then the total complexion of the region, including the domestic interior of Israel itself, would be much different. The ground truth tells you this; to the point it might be considered self-evident.

Like all cultures, Israel being no exception, there are differing factions within it. To be a Zionism is about a cause (that supports the creation of a Jewish homeland in the territory defined as the Land of Israel). Most Zionist are Israeli; but, most Israelis are not Zionists. Whoever, not all Zionists are either Israeli or Jewish. Depending on the definition of "Israel," I might be considered a non-Jewish Zionist. (However, I can tell you that it get you no points with the Israelis for supporting their cause. They have a tendency to look down upon Americans such as I.)

But still, it would be a mistake to think that "apartheid, racism and genocide" are a part of the Israeli agenda. If it had been, there would not be so many as 5M refugees wanting the right of return. It would have been a much smaller number. Instead, the number grows daily.

Most Respectfully,
R

What I meant when I said "victim" is that Israel (and it's supporters here) frequently seek to portray Israel as the victim of the media, the UN, of world opinion etc even when they are on the wrong - for example building settlements, the inequities in granting of permits for building or expansions, or the treatment of Palestinian children in the justice system.

Any attempt to discuss those issues is met with the predictable - everyone picks on poor little Israel, yet they are real injustices.

 

[P F Tinmore]

I have checked, and you haven't given any examples at all. You need to stop trying to squirm out of that one. Tell us, how do Jews visit Gaza all the time in complete safety?

There are Jews in the ISM. Neturei Karta visited twice. Code Pink, a predominately Jewish organization, has been to Gaza three times. The free Gaza boats that got through to Gaza had Jews on them. The convoys to Gaza had Jews. Richard Goldstone is a Jew.

I have seen no reports of any attacks.

You are so silly, would you like me to post 100 pages listing all of the attacks? In the past when we've pointed out such savage attacks your response was "well what were these Jews doing in a war zone?" You can't have it both ways, bozo.

Do you have a list of attacks on those Jews visiting Gaza.

Links?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Coyote, Victory67, et al,

Being "wrong" is all a part of the human experience.

Respectfully, R - how then do you analyze the fact that the Israeli's (or pro-Israelis) refuse to see any wrong done on their side in the rise of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict? How do you explain the fact that they and their supporters are constantly painting themselves as victims?

I'm thinking your analysis might be a bit one-sided here.

(COMMENT)

Clearly, there is - associated with the Israeli, an entire list of events where their decisions were "wrong." I, least of all, would never claim that in every calamity or serious event, in the sorted history of the Arab-Israeli Conflict, would claim that Israel was entirely right, or in the right, or even holding the moral high ground. (That would be a foolish position to hold.)

Rarely do you find that the Israeli, themselves, claim to be the victim. On the contrary, they overreact to assure that they are not the victim. It is the consensus of the Western World that they were, for centuries, the victim and required special attention, much like an endangered species, to insure that they have a habitat (Jewish National Home) for their preservation.

But to suggest that they were always in the right, is something that we cannot say. The best we could say, is that they have been, until the last decades of the 20th Century, less wrong.

Meanwhile anyone who criticizes Israel or the settlements is called a "Nazi anti-Semite".

Anyone who accuses the Israelis of racist actions is called a "Nazi anti-Semite".

Looks like Zionists are the narcissists who think they can do no wrong.

(COMMENT)

Certainly, it is fair to criticize the Israel with fear of being called a "Nazi anti-Semite." But it is totally unfair, and incorrect to attempt to exaggerate some of the Israeli reactions as "apartheid, racist, and genocidal." Clearly, if these labels were true, then the total complexion of the region, including the domestic interior of Israel itself, would be much different. The ground truth tells you this; to the point it might be considered self-evident.

Like all cultures, Israel being no exception, there are differing factions within it. To be a Zionism is about a cause (that supports the creation of a Jewish homeland in the territory defined as the Land of Israel). Most Zionist are Israeli; but, most Israelis are not Zionists. Whoever, not all Zionists are either Israeli or Jewish. Depending on the definition of "Israel," I might be considered a non-Jewish Zionist. (However, I can tell you that it get you no points with the Israelis for supporting their cause. They have a tendency to look down upon Americans such as I.)

But still, it would be a mistake to think that "apartheid, racism and genocide" are a part of the Israeli agenda. If it had been, there would not be so many as 5M refugees wanting the right of return. It would have been a much smaller number. Instead, the number grows daily.

Most Respectfully,
R

What I meant when I said "victim" is that Israel (and it's supporters here) frequently seek to portray Israel as the victim of the media, the UN, of world opinion etc even when they are on the wrong - for example building settlements, the inequities in granting of permits for building or expansions, or the treatment of Palestinian children in the justice system.

Any attempt to discuss those issues is met with the predictable - everyone picks on poor little Israel, yet they are real injustices.

We cannot help it if Israel singles itself out.

 

[Hossfly]

There are Jews in the ISM. Neturei Karta visited twice. Code Pink, a predominately Jewish organization, has been to Gaza three times. The free Gaza boats that got through to Gaza had Jews on them. The convoys to Gaza had Jews. Richard Goldstone is a Jew.

I have seen no reports of any attacks.

You are so silly, would you like me to post 100 pages listing all of the attacks? In the past when we've pointed out such savage attacks your response was "well what were these Jews doing in a war zone?" You can't have it both ways, bozo.

Do you have a list of attacks on those Jews visiting Gaza.

Links?

That info is classified, Tinmore. You don't have the need to know and the proper clearance. You're a dweeb.
http://www.sportsmansdaily.com/thescrum/wp-content/dweeb21.jpg

 

[toastman]

Coyote, Victory67, et al,

Being "wrong" is all a part of the human experience.

Respectfully, R - how then do you analyze the fact that the Israeli's (or pro-Israelis) refuse to see any wrong done on their side in the rise of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict? How do you explain the fact that they and their supporters are constantly painting themselves as victims?

I'm thinking your analysis might be a bit one-sided here.

(COMMENT)

Clearly, there is - associated with the Israeli, an entire list of events where their decisions were "wrong." I, least of all, would never claim that in every calamity or serious event, in the sorted history of the Arab-Israeli Conflict, would claim that Israel was entirely right, or in the right, or even holding the moral high ground. (That would be a foolish position to hold.)

Rarely do you find that the Israeli, themselves, claim to be the victim. On the contrary, they overreact to assure that they are not the victim. It is the consensus of the Western World that they were, for centuries, the victim and required special attention, much like an endangered species, to insure that they have a habitat (Jewish National Home) for their preservation.

But to suggest that they were always in the right, is something that we cannot say. The best we could say, is that they have been, until the last decades of the 20th Century, less wrong.

Meanwhile anyone who criticizes Israel or the settlements is called a "Nazi anti-Semite".

Anyone who accuses the Israelis of racist actions is called a "Nazi anti-Semite".

Looks like Zionists are the narcissists who think they can do no wrong.

(COMMENT)

Certainly, it is fair to criticize the Israel with fear of being called a "Nazi anti-Semite." But it is totally unfair, and incorrect to attempt to exaggerate some of the Israeli reactions as "apartheid, racist, and genocidal." Clearly, if these labels were true, then the total complexion of the region, including the domestic interior of Israel itself, would be much different. The ground truth tells you this; to the point it might be considered self-evident.

Like all cultures, Israel being no exception, there are differing factions within it. To be a Zionism is about a cause (that supports the creation of a Jewish homeland in the territory defined as the Land of Israel). Most Zionist are Israeli; but, most Israelis are not Zionists. Whoever, not all Zionists are either Israeli or Jewish. Depending on the definition of "Israel," I might be considered a non-Jewish Zionist. (However, I can tell you that it get you no points with the Israelis for supporting their cause. They have a tendency to look down upon Americans such as I.)

But still, it would be a mistake to think that "apartheid, racism and genocide" are a part of the Israeli agenda. If it had been, there would not be so many as 5M refugees wanting the right of return. It would have been a much smaller number. Instead, the number grows daily.

Most Respectfully,
R

What I meant when I said "victim" is that Israel (and it's supporters here) frequently seek to portray Israel as the victim of the media, the UN, of world opinion etc even when they are on the wrong - for example building settlements, the inequities in granting of permits for building or expansions, or the treatment of Palestinian children in the justice system.

Any attempt to discuss those issues is met with the predictable - everyone picks on poor little Israel, yet they are real injustices.

LOL such a load of crap. You know very well that it is the Palestinians and their supporters who play the victim card all the time.
Hamas and Gazans are experts when it comes to that, so please

 

[Roudy]

There are Jews in the ISM. Neturei Karta visited twice. Code Pink, a predominately Jewish organization, has been to Gaza three times. The free Gaza boats that got through to Gaza had Jews on them. The convoys to Gaza had Jews. Richard Goldstone is a Jew.

I have seen no reports of any attacks.

You are so silly, would you like me to post 100 pages listing all of the attacks? In the past when we've pointed out such savage attacks your response was "well what were these Jews doing in a war zone?" You can't have it both ways, bozo.

Do you have a list of attacks on those Jews visiting Gaza.

Links?

Ah why bother. We've posted them many times before, and your response was "what are they doing in a war zone". You think any and all savagery by Hamas animals is justified.

 

[Billo_Really]

Ah why bother. We've posted them many times before, and your response was "what are they doing in a war zone". You think any and all savagery by Hamas animals is justified.

You think every member of Hamas, is a savage animal.