"Israeli policies don't affect anti-Semitism"

[Roudy]

Of course anti Semites will be anti Semites, with or without Israel.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, oddly enough, I am passing familiar with LTG Dayton. We were in Iraq at the same time, but not in the chain of command. He was with the ISG.

Even as I type this, over the last week, Palestinian security forces (mostly presidential guards and the counter-terrorism units) have been raiding houses in the city and refugee camps --- and clashing with gunmen and rioting youths, as the Palestinian Authority (PA) tries to establish security in a increasingly restless and volatile populace, in a crackdown on drugs and weapons. Whatever you may think of clashes between the Israeli and the Palestinian, the clashes between their own are much worse. And the PA Security Forces are not so concerned about the civil rights and liberties as you would think they are given the tears and complaints about the Israelis. But make no mistake, a bigger band of thugs with guns you'll not find than the Palestinian Presidential Guard.

The Palestinian security forces are called Dayton's forces in Palestine. They are a project of US General Keith Dayton who recruited and trained these forces and coordinates their activities with the Israeli military. These forces are paid with US "aid" to the PA. Dayton has since been replaced by another US officer.

Their job requires them to violate Palestine's constitution and the legal rights of the Palestinians. Several people have died under torture by these forces.

(COMMENT)

Yes, the US provided the aid and the training. But the US did not command the Palestinian National Security Forces (NSF). MG Nasser Yousef is the Director General of the Palestinian National Security Forces. The forces are under the control of the Palestinian Authority. And yes, the US was paying (the last I heard) about $3M annually for the training. But that is because that the State of Palestine is an old Article 22 nation (unable to stand on its own).

Most Respectfully,
R

And those are the thugs that you mentioned in your previous post. They are also the thugs that Hamas ran out of Gaza in 2007. They are also the thugs who illegally helped the losers of the elections, Fatah, back in power in the West Bank.

 

[toastman]

Wow that made a lot of sense. Try again.

Zionists have about as much to do with Judaism, as a whore does to virginity.

Zionism is the belief that Jews should have a country in the State of Israel, you moron

How stupid can you be?? I mean really?

 

[Victory67]

Wow that made a lot of sense. Try again.

Zionists have about as much to do with Judaism, as a whore does to virginity.

Zionism is the belief that Jews should have a country in the State of Israel, you moron

How stupid can you be?? I mean really?

a country "in" the State of Israel?

which part?

 

[Hossfly]

Zionists have about as much to do with Judaism, as a whore does to virginity.

Zionism is the belief that Jews should have a country in the State of Israel, you moron

How stupid can you be?? I mean really?

a country "in" the State of Israel?

which part?

A country is also a State, Cadet.

 

[toastman]

Zionism is the belief that Jews should have a country in the State of Israel, you moron

How stupid can you be?? I mean really?

a country "in" the State of Israel?

which part?

A country is also a State, Cadet.

I meant to say Land of Israel actually

 

[Phoenall]

Zionists have about as much to do with Judaism, as a whore does to virginity.

Zionism is the belief that Jews should have a country in the State of Israel, you moron

How stupid can you be?? I mean really?

a country "in" the State of Israel?

which part?

Your English comprehension is lacking, is this because English is not your first language. To a native English speaker it makes perfect sense. Maybe if it was punctuated you might see the truth

ZIONISM IS THE BELIEF THAT THE JEWS SHOULD HAVE A COUNTRY, IN THE STATE OF ISRAEL, THAT WILL BE FOREVER THEIR HOMELAND

 

[Phoenall]

a country "in" the State of Israel?

which part?

A country is also a State, Cadet.

I meant to say Land of Israel actually

It was a perfectly acceptable piece of English comprehension, just punctuated wrongly. The native English speakers knew what you meant, the semi literate muslims had problems with understanding the context.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, that is one possible interpretation of events.

And those are the thugs that you mentioned in your previous post. They are also the thugs that Hamas ran out of Gaza in 2007. They are also the thugs who illegally helped the losers of the elections, Fatah, back in power in the West Bank.

(COMMENT)

But even if I agree to this, it doesn't change the facts or ground truth that it was Palestinian 'vs' Palestinian and had nothing to do with the false implication that these forces were being guided by the US.

Palestinians are hostile by nature. And if they are not fighting with their neighbors, they are fighting amongst themselves.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, that is one possible interpretation of events.

And those are the thugs that you mentioned in your previous post. They are also the thugs that Hamas ran out of Gaza in 2007. They are also the thugs who illegally helped the losers of the elections, Fatah, back in power in the West Bank.

(COMMENT)

But even if I agree to this, it doesn't change the facts or ground truth that it was Palestinian 'vs' Palestinian and had nothing to do with the false implication that these forces were being guided by the US.

Palestinians are hostile by nature. And if they are not fighting with their neighbors, they are fighting amongst themselves.

Most Respectfully,
R

It is the time honored divide and conquer routine, Rocco, I am surprised that you are unfamiliar with this trick.

 

[Roudy]

So you think it's fair to display hatred towards Jews in Europe because of Israel's policies?

Totally not.

Israel is a soveriegn nation, and Jews around the world are no more responsible for it's actions and policies than Muslims around the world are for policies in Muslim dominant countries or Christians around the world are for policies are in Christian dominant countries.

The author of the article makes a good point:



I think we saw that in the Norway anti-semitism thread where there was plenty of historic evidence to support this, unfortunately.

But there are two parts to this:

Do Israel's policies have an effect on anti-semitism? Not really, other than to provide fuel and justification for an already existing attitude that is directed towards jews in general.

Is criticism of Israel's policies anti-semitism? There is legitimate criticism of Israel's policies and anger at Israel that is directed at Israel specifically, and is fueled by some of it's policies and actions, not by anti-semitism.

The distinction can get blurred because there can be an overlap (Israel's actions provide a mask of "legitimacy" to existing anti-semitic attitudes) - but it's there and it's important to make that distinction.

Do Israel's policies have an effect on anti-semitism?

I think it does. When Israel kills 1400 people in Gaza, or shoots up an aid ship killing nine people, then shouts from the rooftops that it is a Jewish state, that can send ripples through Jewish communities around the world.

When Israel defends itself and it's Jewish citizens against genocidal rocket shooting terrorist savages, it creates confidence for Jews all over the world that there is a Jewish state that is strong and ready to defend all Jews all over the world.

That, of course makes the anti semites blood boil, because for the first time in since ancient history, Jews are fighting back, and brilliantly. So, in other words, Israel's very own existence pisses off the antisemites.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

There are Jews in the ISM. Neturei Karta visited twice. Code Pink, a predominately Jewish organization, has been to Gaza three times. The free Gaza boats that got through to Gaza had Jews on them. The convoys to Gaza had Jews. Richard Goldstone is a Jew.

I have seen no reports of any attacks.

You are so silly, would you like me to post 100 pages listing all of the attacks? In the past when we've pointed out such savage attacks your response was "well what were these Jews doing in a war zone?" You can't have it both ways, bozo.

Do you have a list of attacks on those Jews visiting Gaza.

Links?

A young Jewish American teen-ager named Alisa Flatow was burned to death while visiting Gaza.

 

[P F Tinmore]

You are so silly, would you like me to post 100 pages listing all of the attacks? In the past when we've pointed out such savage attacks your response was "well what were these Jews doing in a war zone?" You can't have it both ways, bozo.

Do you have a list of attacks on those Jews visiting Gaza.

Links?

A young Jewish American teen-ager named Alisa Flatow was burned to death while visiting Gaza.

Link?

 

[toastman]

Do you have a list of attacks on those Jews visiting Gaza.

Links?

A young Jewish American teen-ager named Alisa Flatow was burned to death while visiting Gaza.

Link?

She was killed in 1995 in a settlement in Gaza

 

[Victory67]

A young Jewish American teen-ager named Alisa Flatow was burned to death while visiting Gaza.

Link?

She was killed in 1995 in a settlement in Gaza

Her parents were guilty of reckless endangerement of a child by having her live in an illegal settlement.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Link?

She was killed in 1995 in a settlement in Gaza

Her parents were guilty of reckless endangerement of a child by having her live in an illegal settlement.

She didn't live there. She went to visit.

 

[Victory67]

She didn't live there. She went to visit.

Still reckless endangerement. Who let's their children visit a war zone?

 

[P F Tinmore]

A young Jewish American teen-ager named Alisa Flatow was burned to death while visiting Gaza.

Link?

She was killed in 1995 in a settlement in Gaza

Your post was misleading. She was not visiting Gaza, she was visiting an Israeli settlement.

 

[toastman]

Link?

She was killed in 1995 in a settlement in Gaza

Her parents were guilty of reckless endangerement of a child by having her live in an illegal settlement.

What a disgusting thing to say, and Tinmore is equally disgusting for thanking your post.

BTW, she was an American, and yes, she was just visiting.

 

[toastman]

Link?

She was killed in 1995 in a settlement in Gaza

Your post was misleading. She was not visiting Gaza, she was visiting an Israeli settlement.

The settlement was IN Gaza, and she was an American citizen.