"Israeli policies don't affect anti-Semitism"

So, in the Western Cultures, developing on past the social norms of the 14th Century, some aspects of morality as simply beyond rational discussion with the Arab. The Arab narcissism and arrogance to assume that they were never wrong in the historic rise of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict (virtual victim syndrome) is something that needs to be understood and accommodated just like any other disability.

Most Respectfully,
R

Respectfully, R - how then do you analyze the fact that the Israeli's (or pro-Israelis) refuse to see any wrong done on their side in the rise of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict? How do you explain the fact that they and their supporters are constantly painting themselves as victims?

I'm thinking your analysis might be a bit one-sided here.

In the last 20 years, Israel has elected as Prime Minister at least TWO men who agreed to give up a heck of a lot of land for peace.
Each time, Arafat's wife called him and reminded him to keep sending the checks.
 
So, in the Western Cultures, developing on past the social norms of the 14th Century, some aspects of morality as simply beyond rational discussion with the Arab. The Arab narcissism and arrogance to assume that they were never wrong in the historic rise of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict (virtual victim syndrome) is something that needs to be understood and accommodated just like any other disability.

Most Respectfully,
R

Respectfully, R - how then do you analyze the fact that the Israeli's (or pro-Israelis) refuse to see any wrong done on their side in the rise of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict? How do you explain the fact that they and their supporters are constantly painting themselves as victims?

I'm thinking your analysis might be a bit one-sided here.

In the last 20 years, Israel has elected as Prime Minister at least TWO men who agreed to give up a heck of a lot of land for peace.
Each time, Arafat's wife called him and reminded him to keep sending the checks.

And wasn't one of them assassinated by his own people for that?
 
So, in the Western Cultures, developing on past the social norms of the 14th Century, some aspects of morality as simply beyond rational discussion with the Arab. The Arab narcissism and arrogance to assume that they were never wrong in the historic rise of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict (virtual victim syndrome) is something that needs to be understood and accommodated just like any other disability.

Most Respectfully,
R

Meanwhile anyone who criticizes Israel or the settlements is called a "Nazi anti-Semite".

Anyone who accuses the Israelis of racist actions is called a "Nazi anti-Semite".

Looks like Zionists are the narcissists who think they can do no wrong.

That's mostly verbage used by those of limited vocabulary who find themselves unable to form coherent arguments ;)
 
Respectfully, R - how then do you analyze the fact that the Israeli's (or pro-Israelis) refuse to see any wrong done on their side in the rise of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict? How do you explain the fact that they and their supporters are constantly painting themselves as victims?

I'm thinking your analysis might be a bit one-sided here.

In the last 20 years, Israel has elected as Prime Minister at least TWO men who agreed to give up a heck of a lot of land for peace.
Each time, Arafat's wife called him and reminded him to keep sending the checks.

And wasn't one of them assassinated by his own people for that?

Yes...ONE.
How many Muslims has been assassinated or murdered in the same period of time for speaking their minds.
And BTW, he was replaced by an even BIGGER Dove.
 
So, in the Western Cultures, developing on past the social norms of the 14th Century, some aspects of morality as simply beyond rational discussion with the Arab. The Arab narcissism and arrogance to assume that they were never wrong in the historic rise of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict (virtual victim syndrome) is something that needs to be understood and accommodated just like any other disability.

Most Respectfully,
R

Respectfully, R - how then do you analyze the fact that the Israeli's (or pro-Israelis) refuse to see any wrong done on their side in the rise of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict? How do you explain the fact that they and their supporters are constantly painting themselves as victims?

I'm thinking your analysis might be a bit one-sided here.

I think you're off base here.

I don't think any poster here believes Israel is 100% right all the time. It's an interpertavvfdnv....whatever the word is... of other posters, here.
 
So, in the Western Cultures, developing on past the social norms of the 14th Century, some aspects of morality as simply beyond rational discussion with the Arab. The Arab narcissism and arrogance to assume that they were never wrong in the historic rise of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict (virtual victim syndrome) is something that needs to be understood and accommodated just like any other disability.

Most Respectfully,
R

Meanwhile anyone who criticizes Israel or the settlements is called a "Nazi anti-Semite".

Anyone who accuses the Israelis of racist actions is called a "Nazi anti-Semite".

Looks like Zionists are the narcissists who think they can do no wrong.

That's mostly verbage used by those of limited vocabulary who find themselves unable to form coherent arguments ;)

Mhmm, I wish I could use these words again, too bad I can't. I'm not allowed to use the N word, so others have to use it for me:D
 
That's mostly verbage used by those of limited vocabulary who find themselves unable to form coherent arguments ;)



stop saying smart things that I can't give Positive Reputations to.

:)
 
So, in the Western Cultures, developing on past the social norms of the 14th Century, some aspects of morality as simply beyond rational discussion with the Arab. The Arab narcissism and arrogance to assume that they were never wrong in the historic rise of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict (virtual victim syndrome) is something that needs to be understood and accommodated just like any other disability.

Most Respectfully,
R

Respectfully, R - how then do you analyze the fact that the Israeli's (or pro-Israelis) refuse to see any wrong done on their side in the rise of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict? How do you explain the fact that they and their supporters are constantly painting themselves as victims?

I'm thinking your analysis might be a bit one-sided here.

I think you're off base here.

I don't think any poster here believes Israel is 100% right all the time. It's an interpertavvfdnv....whatever the word is... of other posters, here.

Of course nobody believes that Israel or any other country is perfect all the time. However, when you see what is happening around the world today and some people are only focused on Israel and close their eyes to what is happening (no matter how many innocent people are killed), that tells you an awful lot about that poster.
 
Of course nobody believes that Israel or any other country is perfect all the time. However, when you see what is happening around the world today and some people are only focused on Israel and close their eyes to what is happening (no matter how many innocent people are killed), that tells you an awful lot about that poster.

There are people in this forum who call anyone and everyone who criticizes Israel, a Neo-Nazi anti-Semite.

I know they are just clowns, but they reflect a larger dementia.
 
Of course nobody believes that Israel or any other country is perfect all the time. However, when you see what is happening around the world today and some people are only focused on Israel and close their eyes to what is happening (no matter how many innocent people are killed), that tells you an awful lot about that poster.

There are people in this forum who call anyone and everyone who criticizes Israel, a Neo-Nazi anti-Semite.

I know they are just clowns, but they reflect a larger dementia.

You revise history.

You also haven't answered my question concerning valid historical records.
 
You revise history.

You also haven't answered my question concerning valid historical records.

No I am stating facts and you are either blind or a liar.

David, solomon and the israelis/jews live and ruled the land before the arab came conquering and killing their way through the region.
Even though jews were forced outward in the diasporas, be it assyrians, babylonians, romans or arabs, they never gave up their identity or their claim to their homeland.
Evan going back to Abraham and Joseph, and Moses guiding the jews back. It was their land
 
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Coyote, Victory67, et al,

Being "wrong" is all a part of the human experience.

Respectfully, R - how then do you analyze the fact that the Israeli's (or pro-Israelis) refuse to see any wrong done on their side in the rise of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict? How do you explain the fact that they and their supporters are constantly painting themselves as victims?

I'm thinking your analysis might be a bit one-sided here.
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Clearly, there is - associated with the Israeli, an entire list of events where their decisions were "wrong." I, least of all, would never claim that in every calamity or serious event, in the sorted history of the Arab-Israeli Conflict, would claim that Israel was entirely right, or in the right, or even holding the moral high ground. (That would be a foolish position to hold.)

Rarely do you find that the Israeli, themselves, claim to be the victim. On the contrary, they overreact to assure that they are not the victim. It is the consensus of the Western World that they were, for centuries, the victim and required special attention, much like an endangered species, to insure that they have a habitat (Jewish National Home) for their preservation.

But to suggest that they were always in the right, is something that we cannot say. The best we could say, is that they have been, until the last decades of the 20th Century, less wrong.

Meanwhile anyone who criticizes Israel or the settlements is called a "Nazi anti-Semite".

Anyone who accuses the Israelis of racist actions is called a "Nazi anti-Semite".

Looks like Zionists are the narcissists who think they can do no wrong.
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Certainly, it is fair to criticize the Israel with fear of being called a "Nazi anti-Semite." But it is totally unfair, and incorrect to attempt to exaggerate some of the Israeli reactions as "apartheid, racist, and genocidal." Clearly, if these labels were true, then the total complexion of the region, including the domestic interior of Israel itself, would be much different. The ground truth tells you this; to the point it might be considered self-evident.

Like all cultures, Israel being no exception, there are differing factions within it. To be a Zionism is about a cause (that supports the creation of a Jewish homeland in the territory defined as the Land of Israel). Most Zionist are Israeli; but, most Israelis are not Zionists. Whoever, not all Zionists are either Israeli or Jewish. Depending on the definition of "Israel," I might be considered a non-Jewish Zionist. (However, I can tell you that it get you no points with the Israelis for supporting their cause. They have a tendency to look down upon Americans such as I.)

But still, it would be a mistake to think that "apartheid, racism and genocide" are a part of the Israeli agenda. If it had been, there would not be so many as 5M refugees wanting the right of return. It would have been a much smaller number. Instead, the number grows daily.

Most Respectfully,
R
 
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David, solomon and the israelis/jews live and ruled the land before the arab came conquering and killing their way through the region.
Even though jews were forced outward in the diasporas, be it assyrians, babylonians, romans or arabs, they never gave up their identity or their claim to their homeland.

Joshua, David, and Solomon brutally conquered the land from the native Canaanites.
 
David, solomon and the israelis/jews live and ruled the land before the arab came conquering and killing their way through the region.
Even though jews were forced outward in the diasporas, be it assyrians, babylonians, romans or arabs, they never gave up their identity or their claim to their homeland.

Joshua, David, and Solomon brutally conquered the land from the native Canaanites.

"Canaan (pronounced /ˈkeɪnən/ since c. AD 1500, due to the Great Vowel Shift) comes from the Hebrew כנען (knʿn), via Greek Χαναάν Khanaan and Latin Canaan. It appears as KUR ki-na-ah-na in the Amarna letters (14th century BC), and knʿn is found on coins from Phoenicia in the last half of the 1st millennium. It first occurs in Greek in the writings of Hecataeus as Khna(Χνᾶ).[10] The Bible derives the name from that of an alleged ancestor, Canaan son of Ham. Scholars connect the name Canaan with knʿn, Kana'an, the general Northwest Semitic name for this region." @
 
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"Canaan (pronounced /ˈkeɪnən/ since c. AD 1500, due to the Great Vowel Shift) comes from the Hebrew כנען (knʿn), via Greek Χαναάν Khanaan and Latin Canaan. It appears as KUR ki-na-ah-na in the Amarna letters (14th century BC), and knʿn is found on coins from Phoenicia in the last half of the 1st millennium. It first occurs in Greek in the writings of Hecataeus as Khna(Χνᾶ).[10] The Bible derives the name from that of an alleged ancestor, Canaan son of Ham. Scholars connect the name Canaan with knʿn, Kana'an, the general Northwest Semitic name for this region." @

Yes, and the Hebrews brutally conquered these people.

Along with the Phillistines and the Edomites.
 
"Canaan (pronounced /ˈkeɪnən/ since c. AD 1500, due to the Great Vowel Shift) comes from the Hebrew כנען (knʿn), via Greek Χαναάν Khanaan and Latin Canaan. It appears as KUR ki-na-ah-na in the Amarna letters (14th century BC), and knʿn is found on coins from Phoenicia in the last half of the 1st millennium. It first occurs in Greek in the writings of Hecataeus as Khna(Χνᾶ).[10] The Bible derives the name from that of an alleged ancestor, Canaan son of Ham. Scholars connect the name Canaan with knʿn, Kana'an, the general Northwest Semitic name for this region." @

Yes, and the Hebrews brutally conquered these people.

Along with the Phillistines and the Edomites.

And the Muslims brutally conquered the original Christians in the Middle East countries, and now the descendents of those who were lucky enough to survive the Muslim onslaught can't even practice their religion in peace.
 
"Canaan (pronounced /ˈkeɪnən/ since c. AD 1500, due to the Great Vowel Shift) comes from the Hebrew כנען (knʿn), via Greek Χαναάν Khanaan and Latin Canaan. It appears as KUR ki-na-ah-na in the Amarna letters (14th century BC), and knʿn is found on coins from Phoenicia in the last half of the 1st millennium. It first occurs in Greek in the writings of Hecataeus as Khna(Χνᾶ).[10] The Bible derives the name from that of an alleged ancestor, Canaan son of Ham. Scholars connect the name Canaan with knʿn, Kana'an, the general Northwest Semitic name for this region." @

Yes, and the Hebrews brutally conquered these people.

Along with the Phillistines and the Edomites.

Israel was friends and traders with the Phoenicians who lived in the norther region of the coast.

Philistines were sea invaders from the Aegean. Edomites were decendants of abraham from Esau. Cousins of the Israelis.
 
"Canaan (pronounced /ˈkeɪnən/ since c. AD 1500, due to the Great Vowel Shift) comes from the Hebrew כנען (knʿn), via Greek Χαναάν Khanaan and Latin Canaan. It appears as KUR ki-na-ah-na in the Amarna letters (14th century BC), and knʿn is found on coins from Phoenicia in the last half of the 1st millennium. It first occurs in Greek in the writings of Hecataeus as Khna(Χνᾶ).[10] The Bible derives the name from that of an alleged ancestor, Canaan son of Ham. Scholars connect the name Canaan with knʿn, Kana'an, the general Northwest Semitic name for this region." @

Yes, and the Hebrews brutally conquered these people.

Along with the Phillistines and the Edomites.


Deuteronomy 18:9-14

New King James Version (NKJV)


Avoid Wicked Customs

9 “When you come into the land which the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not learn to follow the abominations of those nations. 10 There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, or one who practices witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, 11 or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. 12 For all who do these things are an abomination to the Lord, and because of these abominations the Lord your God drives them out from before you. 13 You shall be blameless before the Lord your God. 14 For these nations which you will dispossess listened to soothsayers and diviners; but as for you, the Lord your God has not appointed such for you.

So first it's a Fairy Tale.
Then it's NOT a Fairy Tale.

It's takes a brutal conquest to get rid of brutal people.
Or do you pick and choose your verses?

Try reading sometime; something other than Wikipedia
 
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