"Israeli policies don't affect anti-Semitism"

[Billo_Really]

Believing in a myth called "Palestine" makes less sense than believing in Biblical miracles.

Ahm just sayin'...

It's no different than the myth that God "chose" you over other people.

God chose the Jews to recive the Torah...

...because HE couldn't bring HIMSELF to give it to the Zionists.

 

[Billo_Really]

It's even more severe than that.
Ahm seh-goo-lah...Designated Nation
seh-goo-lah...Designated...tough luck guys, it's your responsibility to show other people how to behave.

That's because you're showing others how NOT TO BEHAVE.

 

[Roudy]

Ah why bother. We've posted them many times before, and your response was "what are they doing in a war zone". You think any and all savagery by Hamas animals is justified.

You think every member of Hamas, is a savage animal.

Of course, just as every member of Al Queda is an animal. What's the difference? Same Islamic terrorist animal, different geographic location.

 

[Roudy]

It's no different than the myth that God "chose" you over other people.

God chose the Jews to recive the Torah...

...because HE couldn't bring HIMSELF to give it to the Zionists.

Wow that made a lot of sense. Try again.

 

[Billo_Really]

Wow that made a lot of sense. Try again.

Zionists have about as much to do with Judaism, as a whore does to virginity.

 

[Billo_Really]

Of course, just as every member of Al Queda is an animal. What's the difference? Same Islamic terrorist animal, different geographic location.

One is a terrorist organization, the other is an elected government, "called" a terrorist organization.

When Hamas does "street improvements" in a Gaza neighborhood, then the IDF comes along later and shoots out the lamps at the top of the light standards, which group committed the terrorist act?​

Inquiring minds wanna know!

 

[Victory67]

LOL such a load of crap. You know very well that it is the Palestinians and their supporters who play the victim card all the time.
Hamas and Gazans are experts when it comes to that, so please

I giggle when a Jew accuses others of playing the victim all the time.

I giggle uncontrollably.

 

[Roudy]

Wow that made a lot of sense. Try again.

Zionists have about as much to do with Judaism, as a whore does to virginity.

Nope, try again, this time without it being a drug induced response.

 

[Roudy]

LOL such a load of crap. You know very well that it is the Palestinians and their supporters who play the victim card all the time.
Hamas and Gazans are experts when it comes to that, so please

I giggle when a Jew accuses others of playing the victim all the time.

I giggle uncontrollably.

Sometimes when people are defeated in a humiliating fashion, they giggle uncontrollably.

 

[Roudy]

Of course, just as every member of Al Queda is an animal. What's the difference? Same Islamic terrorist animal, different geographic location.

One is a terrorist organization, the other is an elected government, "called" a terrorist organization.

When Hamas does "street improvements" in a Gaza neighborhood, then the IDF comes along later and shoots out the lamps at the top of the light standards, which group committed the terrorist act?​

Inquiring minds wanna know!

Nope, both are declared and classified as terrorist organizations by the US and most Western Govt.'s. so the punishment for doing business with Al Queda or Hamas or Hezbollah are all the same.

 

[Hossfly]

LOL such a load of crap. You know very well that it is the Palestinians and their supporters who play the victim card all the time.
Hamas and Gazans are experts when it comes to that, so please

I giggle when a Jew accuses others of playing the victim all the time.

I giggle uncontrollably.

Who plays the victim? As for giggling like a sissy, sucking the gas out of baloons causes that effect.

 

[Phoenall]

It's no different than the myth that God "chose" you over other people.

God chose the Jews to recive the Torah...

...because HE couldn't bring HIMSELF to give it to the Zionists.

Don't you mean the arab muslims, who had to make one up of their own and found that the weekend was already booked for Sabbaths.

 

[Phoenall]

Wow that made a lot of sense. Try again.

Zionists have about as much to do with Judaism, as a whore does to virginity.

And muslims have as much to do with peace as Hitler had to flower arranging

 

[Phoenall]

Of course, just as every member of Al Queda is an animal. What's the difference? Same Islamic terrorist animal, different geographic location.

One is a terrorist organization, the other is an elected government, "called" a terrorist organization.

When Hamas does "street improvements" in a Gaza neighborhood, then the IDF comes along later and shoots out the lamps at the top of the light standards, which group committed the terrorist act?​

Inquiring minds wanna know!

And your source for this happening is who ? ? ? ? ? ?

 

[aris2chat]

Of course, just as every member of Al Queda is an animal. What's the difference? Same Islamic terrorist animal, different geographic location.

One is a terrorist organization, the other is an elected government, "called" a terrorist organization.

When Hamas does "street improvements" in a Gaza neighborhood, then the IDF comes along later and shoots out the lamps at the top of the light standards, which group committed the terrorist act?​

Inquiring minds wanna know!

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1MVqe7r72M&hd=1]Mobile Hot asphalt plant - gaza strip - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Roudy]

Of course, just as every member of Al Queda is an animal. What's the difference? Same Islamic terrorist animal, different geographic location.

One is a terrorist organization, the other is an elected government, "called" a terrorist organization.

When Hamas does "street improvements" in a Gaza neighborhood, then the IDF comes along later and shoots out the lamps at the top of the light standards, which group committed the terrorist act?​

Inquiring minds wanna know!

Eh get over it, Taliban and Al Queda would also engage in "street improvements" and provide other services in Afghanistan. That's because they had toppled the govt and turned it into a failed state, which is exactly what has happened in Gaza.

None of those "services" fooled anybody.

 

[RoccoR]

Coyote, et al,

In fact, there is some truth here.

What I meant when I said "victim" is that Israel (and it's supporters here) frequently seek to portray Israel as the victim of the media, the UN, of world opinion etc even when they are on the wrong - for example building settlements, the inequities in granting of permits for building or expansions, or the treatment of Palestinian children in the justice system.

Any attempt to discuss those issues is met with the predictable - everyone picks on poor little Israel, yet they are real injustices.

(OBSERVATION)

You make an important point and I would like to, no matter how inadequately, attempt a response.

• In part, the lack of discussion is based on the lack of understanding that Westerners have relative to "what is justice" - in comparison to - "what is justice" in the eyes of the Arab-Palestinian world.
  
  • No matter how dramatic the justice dispensed by the Israelis may seem to be inappropriate by our standards, locally (Palestinian-wise) and regional Arab-wise, it is relatively mild (less harsh). Justice is in the eyes of the Arab is vindictive and commercial. A death sentence is not a death sentence, but an initial point in the negotiation for acceptance of blood-money (diya); a bribe to the family for the life of the perpetrator. "Life" does not have the same meaning or reverence in the Arab world as it has in the West. Life has a monetary value.
  • Even as I type this, over the last week, Palestinian security forces (mostly presidential guards and the counter-terrorism units) have been raiding houses in the city and refugee camps --- and clashing with gunmen and rioting youths, as the Palestinian Authority (PA) tries to establish security in a increasingly restless and volatile populace, in a crackdown on drugs and weapons. Whatever you may think of clashes between the Israeli and the Palestinian, the clashes between their own are much worse. And the PA Security Forces are not so concerned about the civil rights and liberties as you would think they are given the tears and complaints about the Israelis. But make no mistake, a bigger band of thugs with guns you'll not find than the Palestinian Presidential Guard.

• In part, the lack of discussion is based on the lack of understanding in the comparative severity of the allegations. However, the reverse is not true. The Arab-Palestinian understands the difference quite well.
  
  • There is no question that the issue of building settlements, granting permits and juvenile detention are all important. But there are several magnitudes of difference between those issues and that of: (excluding indiscriminate rocket fire)
    • Private Eden Atias was killed after being stabbed in the neck while on a bus in the northern Israeli city of Afula.
    • Seraya Ofer, a retired IDF colonel, was murdered in a suspected terror attack outside his home in the northern Jordan Valley.
    • Gavriel Kobi, a combat soldier in the Givati Brigade, was shot and killed by a Palestinian sniper while on guard duty positioned outside the holy Cave of the Patriarchs in Hebron.
    • Tomer Hazan, a non-combat sergeant in the Air force and a Bat Yam native, was lured by a Palestinian acquaintance - Nidal Amar - to the village of Beit Amin near Qalqilya in the West Bank. Amar took Hazan to an open field, murdered him and threw the body into a well. Amar was supposedlt hoping to use corpse to extort the release of his terrorist brother from Israeli jail.
  There is a much greater difference between non-lethal issues and those of a lethal nature.

The real issues that need to be addressed are those that can be negotiated by peaceful means.

Over 60 years of conflict have had an adverse impact on how the belligerents see each other.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

Even as I type this, over the last week, Palestinian security forces (mostly presidential guards and the counter-terrorism units) have been raiding houses in the city and refugee camps --- and clashing with gunmen and rioting youths, as the Palestinian Authority (PA) tries to establish security in a increasingly restless and volatile populace, in a crackdown on drugs and weapons. Whatever you may think of clashes between the Israeli and the Palestinian, the clashes between their own are much worse. And the PA Security Forces are not so concerned about the civil rights and liberties as you would think they are given the tears and complaints about the Israelis. But make no mistake, a bigger band of thugs with guns you'll not find than the Palestinian Presidential Guard.

The Palestinian security forces are called Dayton's forces in Palestine. They are a project of US General Keith Dayton who recruited and trained these forces and coordinates their activities with the Israeli military. These forces are paid with US "aid" to the PA. Dayton has since been replaced by another US officer.

Their job requires them to violate Palestine's constitution and the legal rights of the Palestinians. Several people have died under torture by these forces.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, oddly enough, I am passing familiar with LTG Dayton. We were in Iraq at the same time, but not in the chain of command. He was with the ISG.

Even as I type this, over the last week, Palestinian security forces (mostly presidential guards and the counter-terrorism units) have been raiding houses in the city and refugee camps --- and clashing with gunmen and rioting youths, as the Palestinian Authority (PA) tries to establish security in a increasingly restless and volatile populace, in a crackdown on drugs and weapons. Whatever you may think of clashes between the Israeli and the Palestinian, the clashes between their own are much worse. And the PA Security Forces are not so concerned about the civil rights and liberties as you would think they are given the tears and complaints about the Israelis. But make no mistake, a bigger band of thugs with guns you'll not find than the Palestinian Presidential Guard.

The Palestinian security forces are called Dayton's forces in Palestine. They are a project of US General Keith Dayton who recruited and trained these forces and coordinates their activities with the Israeli military. These forces are paid with US "aid" to the PA. Dayton has since been replaced by another US officer.

Their job requires them to violate Palestine's constitution and the legal rights of the Palestinians. Several people have died under torture by these forces.

(COMMENT)

Yes, the US provided the aid and the training. But the US did not command the Palestinian National Security Forces (NSF). MG Nasser Yousef is the Director General of the Palestinian National Security Forces. The forces are under the control of the Palestinian Authority. And yes, the US was paying (the last I heard) about $3M annually for the training. But that is because that the State of Palestine is an old Article 22 nation (unable to stand on its own).

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Victory67]

Of course Israel's policies affect anti-Semitism.

Its insane to think otherwise.