Israeli fighter jet crashes after being 'shot down'

[rylah]

Since this is a reality, his allies are forced to maneuver because they have vulnerable positions. Iran has internal problems and problems with the economy, Russia also has serious economic problems,the Russian air base Khmeimim was fired from mortars recently and if Russia does not want to start a nuclear war, then Russia has to talk and talk
and seek compromises.

Not true. The Russians have managed the crisis and the western sanctions only caused Russia to find new partners. The Russians just think they can change US policies with offers of partnership and cooperation. Russia is actually a western country and wants similar countries to be friends. But the US does not want friends, they want puppets. The Russians seem to never learn this. You are a moron if you think nuclear war against Russia is an option.

I've heard Putin make the same polished speech, using the same phrases.

Although Russia didn't take part in shooting the jet, nothing happens there without their knowledge and a certain amount of control over the whole AA systems.

In this case the question is about the message Russia sent to her friends in the region and the US through this incident. Especially with the new movements of US systems in the region.
Seems to me there was cooperation between Russia - Israel - US, with Israel willing to take that calculated risk in order to keep a certain image for Russia and her allies that she's not going to interfere with their affairs.

Syria- Iran -Hezballah and Hamas are happy the jet was shot. Yet Russia does not interfere with new American positions in the region or when Israel has to take care of itself. Putin seems to understand the balance between the importance of image for his allies and practical needs. Part of diplomacy is playing into the hands of small fish, so that th bigger players can stay on the ground blocking Iran from spreading towards the Mediterranean sea.

Its just a half-assed policy. They allow others to bomb their ally, kill their ally´s people. That´s not diplomacy, it is just bullshit. Russia is not in a position to back down or something like that, the sanctions and the scapegoating are rolling anyway.

Sounds like You're talking about the Obama era.
And I'm talking about today.

And we're talking at different levels, that crossroad between the West and East is no further than an hour drive for the average Israeli. What You read on the news the next day, mixed and polished for all sides, we receive in real time by our own ears and eyes. The information You receive is so filtered and delayed that it leaves no doubt that for the most part neither Putin, Israel or Syria want any escalation, because in that mess such "opportunities" are being presented to each side on a daily basis.

At the end of the day Putin and even Assad understand that neither the middle east, nor the West are going to tolerate Iran spreading towards the Mediterranean. And I think Turkey has its' own reservations about that ambition.

Iranian forces and militias will leave when the terrorists are defeated. That is official. So for Netanyahu it is easy. Respect Syria and Lebanon, leave the occupied areas and dont support "rebels". A new chapter could be started.

There's so much nativity in these words it's almost cute.
Flush that Obama out Your system, we didn't buy it then we don't now.

Tell us, does that package come with an extra virgin snake oil?

 

[Bleipriester]

Not true. The Russians have managed the crisis and the western sanctions only caused Russia to find new partners. The Russians just think they can change US policies with offers of partnership and cooperation. Russia is actually a western country and wants similar countries to be friends. But the US does not want friends, they want puppets. The Russians seem to never learn this. You are a moron if you think nuclear war against Russia is an option.

I've heard Putin make the same polished speech, using the same phrases.

Although Russia didn't take part in shooting the jet, nothing happens there without their knowledge and a certain amount of control over the whole AA systems.

In this case the question is about the message Russia sent to her friends in the region and the US through this incident. Especially with the new movements of US systems in the region.
Seems to me there was cooperation between Russia - Israel - US, with Israel willing to take that calculated risk in order to keep a certain image for Russia and her allies that she's not going to interfere with their affairs.

Syria- Iran -Hezballah and Hamas are happy the jet was shot. Yet Russia does not interfere with new American positions in the region or when Israel has to take care of itself. Putin seems to understand the balance between the importance of image for his allies and practical needs. Part of diplomacy is playing into the hands of small fish, so that th bigger players can stay on the ground blocking Iran from spreading towards the Mediterranean sea.

Its just a half-assed policy. They allow others to bomb their ally, kill their ally´s people. That´s not diplomacy, it is just bullshit. Russia is not in a position to back down or something like that, the sanctions and the scapegoating are rolling anyway.

Sounds like You're talking about the Obama era.
And I'm talking about today.

And we're talking at different levels, that crossroad between the West and East is no further than an hour drive for the average Israeli. What You read on the news the next day, mixed and polished for all sides, we receive in real time by our own ears and eyes. The information You receive is so filtered and delayed that it leaves no doubt that for the most part neither Putin, Israel or Syria want any escalation, because in that mess such "opportunities" are being presented to each side on a daily basis.

At the end of the day Putin and even Assad understand that neither the middle east, nor the West are going to tolerate Iran spreading towards the Mediterranean. And I think Turkey has its' own reservations about that ambition.

Iranian forces and militias will leave when the terrorists are defeated. That is official. So for Netanyahu it is easy. Respect Syria and Lebanon, leave the occupied areas and dont support "rebels". A new chapter could be started.

There's so much nativity in these words it's almost cute.
Flush that Obama out Your system, we didn't buy it then we don't now.

Tell us, does that package come with an extra virgin snake oil?

You don´t try - you can´t complain.

Assad Favors Peace With Israel, But Rejects Any Closer Relations
Assad: Syria to Recognize Israel if Real Peace Offered

 

[skye]

No War

Nobody wants war!

 

[Viacheslav]

Not true. The Russians have managed the crisis and the western sanctions only caused Russia to find new partners.

I live in Russia. And the main reason for the crisis isn't sanctions, first of all it is a strong dependence on oil exports. The first signs of the crisis appeared before the Ukrainian events and subsequent sanctions. And in Russia there was a well-known phrase from the head of the Central Bank about the fall of rubles "This is not the ruble is falling, just the dollar and the euro are growing" it was said in 27.01.2014.
And the second reason (also the main one) is our corruption, which, unfortunately, is a part of our state system

But the US does not want friends, they want puppets. The Russians seem to never learn this.

In Russia, the media say the same thing, and no one suggests that the US could be a "friend" for Russia.

You are a moron if you think nuclear war against Russia is an option

I do not think so, I want to say that Russia has its hands tied and it has to reckon with other participants. Russia has the ability to close air in Syria, and Russia can provide modern air defense systems, but Israel and the United States will certainly do the same and the "rebels" will have such air defense systems. I think that Russia has done and continues to do a lot for Syria, Assad moved from a obvious outsider to the main political force in Syria, and now I don't hear that "Assad must go".

 

[Humanity]

Isn't being "shot down" and "crashing" a bit redundant?

actually it all is
they make it seem like a victory when really Syria is the one getting justifiably pounded

Actually, Israel getting involved in a civil war is not justifiable!

their border was crossed--justified

Need to be careful with that one!

There could be the same 'excuse' used by the Palestinians!

 

[Bleipriester]

I live in Russia. And the main reason for the crisis isn't sanctions, first of all it is a strong dependence on oil exports. The first signs of the crisis appeared before the Ukrainian events and subsequent sanctions. And in Russia there was a well-known phrase from the head of the Central Bank about the fall of rubles "This is not the ruble is falling, just the dollar and the euro are growing" it was said in 27.01.2014.
And the second reason (also the main one) is our corruption, which, unfortunately, is a part of our state system

Corruption is everywhere so don´t think Russia is an exception. Russia´s corruption is based on structures to provide rare goods in the former SU for high prices and the structures that appeared after its breakdown are way worse. However, we can see that Russia´s economy is growing again. Dollar and Euro are not growing by the way.

In Russia, the media say the same thing, and no one suggests that the US could be a "friend" for Russia.

It´s the leadership that always ensnares Washington for nothing.They have to realize they are not a potential partner for US but enemy by default. Only when they want something they are friendly for a week or so and Moscow falls for it again.

I do not think so, I want to say that Russia has its hands tied and it has to reckon with other participants. Russia has the ability to close air in Syria, and Russia can provide modern air defense systems, but Israel and the United States will certainly do the same and the "rebels" will have such air defense systems. I think that Russia has done and continues to do a lot for Syria, Assad moved from a obvious outsider to the main political force in Syria, and now I don't hear that "Assad must go".

If the backers of "rebels" want them to have air defense, why didn´t they give them to them, we have 2018 now. Israel and other actors are not giving air defense because they support the terrorists covertly. Air defense cannot be hidden from the public. But the army found many other Israeli weapons in "rebel" and ISIS armories.
Russia has done a lot for Syria, there are no doubts. But what about "when it walks like a terrorist"? Now we hear "political process" and it walks like a terrorist to Moscow to buy S-400 missiles.
All for the Americans: Suddenly there are moderate rebels, something the Russians denied in 2015/2016. There are de-escalation zones that do not exist because they are limited to moderate rebels. Turkey uses the zones to deploy the army in al-Qaeda held territory to stop the Syrian army and the Russians do nothing. The Syrians get bombed and the Russians do nothing. Al-Qaeda is "moderate" to avoid airstrikes but then they attack:

Hama offensive (March–April 2017) - Wikipedia
Hama offensive (September 2017) - Wikipedia

Both offensives are only example for the many offensives. We can assume that Moscow acts quite naive sometimes. Only blatant force will end this conflict.

 

[Bleipriester]

Al-Qaeda:

“We welcome any Israeli air or naval attack against the regime and Iran in Syria and we urge them continue to do so. We warn Israel that their silence against Iran’s intervention in Syria will work against you, if fail to uproot them".

Founder of Al-Nusra Front applauds Israeli airstrikes in Syria

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Al-Qaeda:

“We welcome any Israeli air or naval attack against the regime and Iran in Syria and we urge them continue to do so. We warn Israel that their silence against Iran’s intervention in Syria will work against you, if fail to uproot them".

Founder of Al-Nusra Front applauds Israeli airstrikes in Syria

The article says that al-Nusra is not linked to Al-Qaeida. But what they say makes sense.

 

[fanger]

Al-Qaeda:

“We welcome any Israeli air or naval attack against the regime and Iran in Syria and we urge them continue to do so. We warn Israel that their silence against Iran’s intervention in Syria will work against you, if fail to uproot them".

Founder of Al-Nusra Front applauds Israeli airstrikes in Syria

The article says that al-Nusra is not linked to Al-Qaeida. But what they say makes sense.

"Al-Hamwi is a staunch opponent of the Syrian government and founding member of the once Al-Qaeda linked Al-Nusra Front." sounds pretty clear

 

[Hollie]

Al-Qaeda:

“We welcome any Israeli air or naval attack against the regime and Iran in Syria and we urge them continue to do so. We warn Israel that their silence against Iran’s intervention in Syria will work against you, if fail to uproot them".

Founder of Al-Nusra Front applauds Israeli airstrikes in Syria

The article says that al-Nusra is not linked to Al-Qaeida. But what they say makes sense.

Ultimately, it's worth remembering that the various, competing tribes of Islamic terrorist franchises; Shiite, Sunni/Salafi and Assad's opportunistic Alawite despise each other. They will present common rhetoric with regard to the islamic party line of Jew hatreds but they will happily cut each others throats at the thump of a Koran as they continue their 1400 year old blood feud.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Al-Qaeda:

“We welcome any Israeli air or naval attack against the regime and Iran in Syria and we urge them continue to do so. We warn Israel that their silence against Iran’s intervention in Syria will work against you, if fail to uproot them".

Founder of Al-Nusra Front applauds Israeli airstrikes in Syria

The article says that al-Nusra is not linked to Al-Qaeida. But what they say makes sense.

"Al-Hamwi is a staunch opponent of the Syrian government and founding member of the once Al-Qaeda linked Al-Nusra Front." sounds pretty clear

"once-linked"--that means no longer linked with them

 

[fanger]

Who decides what no longer links them?

 

[RWNJ]

An Israeli fighter jet has crashed after it was apparently shot down during airstrikes against "Iranian targets" in Syria.

Israel said its planes struck 12 targets in a "large-scale attack", including three aerial defence batteries and four Iranian targets that are part of Iran's military establishment in the war-ravaged country.

The F-16 crashed during a mission after an Iranian drone had entered Israeli airspace and was shot down, according to the Israeli military.

The Syrian state news agency SANA reported Israel had "carried out a new aggression against one of our military bases in the centre of the country".

"Our air defences repelled it and hit more than one plane."
Israeli fighter jet crashes after being 'shot down' during strikes against Iranian targets in Syria

Good shooting

You obviously support the ragheads, you disgusting piece of shit. Why don't you head on over there and give them a hand? There's an Israeli bomb with your name on it.

 

[fanger]

You obviously support the ragheads, you disgusting piece of shit. Why don't you head on over there and give them a hand? There's an Israeli bomb with your name on it.

What was an israeli 'plane doing in Syrian airspace, don't worry in a hot war israel will use the Americans children to fight for jewland

 

[ForeverYoung436]

You obviously support the ragheads, you disgusting piece of shit. Why don't you head on over there and give them a hand? There's an Israeli bomb with your name on it.

What was an israeli 'plane doing in Syrian airspace, don't worry in a hot war israel will use the Americans children to fight for jewland

An Iranian drone flew into Israeli air-space from Syria.

 

[RWNJ]

You obviously support the ragheads, you disgusting piece of shit. Why don't you head on over there and give them a hand? There's an Israeli bomb with your name on it.

What was an israeli 'plane doing in Syrian airspace, don't worry in a hot war israel will use the Americans children to fight for jewland

It was a retaliatory strike, you Muslim pig.

 

[Bleipriester]

Al-Qaeda:

“We welcome any Israeli air or naval attack against the regime and Iran in Syria and we urge them continue to do so. We warn Israel that their silence against Iran’s intervention in Syria will work against you, if fail to uproot them".

Founder of Al-Nusra Front applauds Israeli airstrikes in Syria

The article says that al-Nusra is not linked to Al-Qaeida. But what they say makes sense.

Hay'at Tahrir al-Sham (Arabic: هيئة تحرير الشام‎, transliteration: Hayʼat Taḥrīr al-Shām,[28] "Organization for the Liberation of the Levant" or "Levant Liberation Committee"),[26][27] commonly referred to as Tahrir al-Sham and abbreviated HTS, also known as al-Qaeda[29] in Syria[30], is an active Salafist jihadist militant group involved in the Syrian Civil War. The group was formed on 28 January 2017 as a merger between Jabhat Fateh al-Sham (formerly al-Nusra Front), the Ansar al-Din Front, Jaysh al-Sunna, Liwa al-Haqq, and the Nour al-Din al-Zenki Movement.[4] After the announcement, additional groups and individuals joined. The merger is currently led by Jabhat Fatah al-Sham and former Ahrar al-Sham leaders, although the High Command consists of leaders from other groups.[31] Many groups and individuals defected from Ahrar al-Sham, representing their more conservative and Salafist elements. Currently, a number of analysts and media outlets still continue to refer to this group by its previous names, al-Nusra Front, or Jabhat Fateh al-Sham.[32]

Despite the merger, Tahrir al-Sham has been accused of working as al-Qaeda's Syrian branch on a covert level.[33] However, Tahrir al-Sham has officially denied being part of al-Qaeda and said in a statement that the group is "fully independent and doesn't represent any foreign body or organization".[34] Furthermore, some factions such as Nour al-Din al-Zenki, which was part of the merger, were once supported by the US.[35] Some analysts reported that the goal of forming Tahrir al-Sham was to unite all groups with al-Qaeda's extreme ideology under one banner, and to obtain as many weapons as possible. They also reported that many of the former Jabhat Fateh al-Sham fighters still answered to al-Qaeda, and held an increasing amount of sway over the new group.[10] It has also been claimed that despite the recent formation of Tahrir al-Sham, the new group secretly maintains a fundamental link to al-Qaeda, and that many of the group's senior figures, particularly Abu Jaber, held similarly extreme views.[33][better source needed] Russia claims that Tahrir al-Sham shares al-Nusra Front's goal of turning Syria into an Islamic emirate run by al-Qaeda.[36][37]

Tahrir al-Sham - Wikipedia

One of Trump´s first actions was to remove it from the terror list.

 

[Bleipriester]

You obviously support the ragheads, you disgusting piece of shit. Why don't you head on over there and give them a hand? There's an Israeli bomb with your name on it.

What was an israeli 'plane doing in Syrian airspace, don't worry in a hot war israel will use the Americans children to fight for jewland

An Iranian drone flew into Israeli air-space from Syria.

Bogus Zionist pretext to bomb Syria.

 

[Bleipriester]

Al-Qaeda:

“We welcome any Israeli air or naval attack against the regime and Iran in Syria and we urge them continue to do so. We warn Israel that their silence against Iran’s intervention in Syria will work against you, if fail to uproot them".

Founder of Al-Nusra Front applauds Israeli airstrikes in Syria

The article says that al-Nusra is not linked to Al-Qaeida. But what they say makes sense.

Ultimately, it's worth remembering that the various, competing tribes of Islamic terrorist franchises; Shiite, Sunni/Salafi and Assad's opportunistic Alawite despise each other. They will present common rhetoric with regard to the islamic party line of Jew hatreds but they will happily cut each others throats at the thump of a Koran as they continue their 1400 year old blood feud.

It is secular Syria vs. Nato AQ/IS.

 

[Bleipriester]

Who decides what no longer links them?

Their backers.