Israeli blockade of Gaza caused Oct 7th

They are just muzzie terrorist lovers like you.
Who are? The ICC has warrants out for and has arrested and tried Islamic terrorists during the course of it's history, did you not know about that?
Fire over 5000 rockets a year at Israel. Israel is too nice.
Yes, they are resisting a foreign occupation, they have a legal right to fire weapons in self defense. Just as you or I would if we were in that situation.
 
So what you are saying is that you prefer to see Palestinians suffer and die in a war they cannot win than live in peace with Israel.
No I want to see an end to military aid to the regime, the withdrawal from all occupied land and the arrest and prosecution of the war criminals and the end of Jewish Nationalism as a force in Jewish politics.
 
Who are? The ICC has warrants out for and has arrested and tried Islamic terrorists during the course of it's history, did you not know about that?
GAZA started a War.

WAR is killing. Israel has every right to fight til every laat Hamas animal is dead.

They hide behind woman and children then send PRAVDA artist like you to turn the world against Israel with LIES
 
They are part of the world group that always goes after Israel and not terrorist camel humpers.
No arrest warrants have ever been issued for Israeli war criminals since the state was founded in 1948, this is the first and only time so it can hardly be described as "always goes after".
 
I wanted to compare your estimate with the Lancet's and compare your data with theirs and your analysis with theirs.
And if I provided an estimate with no explanation as to how I arrived at those numbers, would you accept it?

I want to understand Table 2 and how manipulating the numbers of people ON the deceased lists gives one a number of deceased people NOT ON any list. (Again, not a statistician.)
 
No I want to see an end to military aid to the regime, the withdrawal from all occupied land and the arrest and prosecution of the war criminals and the end of Jewish Nationalism as a force in Jewish politics.
Which is again a statement that you prefer to see Palestinians suffer and die in a war they cannot win rather than live in peace with Israel.
 
Yes, they are resisting a foreign occupation, they have a legal right to fire weapons in self defense. Just as you or I would if we were in that situation.
You might have a point if those weapons adhered to the principle of distinction between civilian and military targets.
 
GAZA started a War.
Zionists started the war by ethnically cleansing Arab villages around the perimeter of Gaza in 1948 then renaming those villages and putting Jewish squatters into them. Why shouldn't the descendants of those evicted families attack those now occupying those villages?
WAR is killing. Israel has every right to fight til every laat Hamas animal is dead.
No it doesn't not according to the law that the US insists other countries must obey. The laws apply to all nations, no exceptions.
They hide behind woman and children then send PRAVDA artist like you to turn the world against Israel with LIES
Who told you that?
 
You might have a point if those weapons adhered to the principle of distinction between civilian and military targets.
Illegal occupation of territory is regarded as unlawful "use of force" or "aggression" against the those who are deprived of their territory.

Claiming to be a "civilian" while willfully participating in that aggression, is a contradiction in terms.
 
Which is again a statement that you prefer to see Palestinians suffer and die in a war they cannot win rather than live in peace with Israel.
No more so than I would want to see Jews die by their fruitless resistance of the Nazis in the Warsaw uprising. I would not want to see Jews killed during that but would assert they do however have the right to resist.
 
Illegal occupation of territory is regarded as unlawful "use of force" or "aggression" against the those who are deprived of their territory.
What sovereign was "deprived of their territory" and when?
Claiming to be a "civilian" while willfully participating in that aggression, is a contradiction in terms.
Interesting. So, you claim that the citizens of all countries cease to be civilians if their state engages in aggression? I assume you would apply that to countries like Iran, Yemen, Syria, and Lebanon, yes? All of those countries can legally be bombarded with indiscriminate weapons?

(In case this isn't clear to the audience, no, this is not how the laws of armed conflict work.)
 
Who are? The ICC has warrants out for and has arrested and tried Islamic terrorists during the course of it's history, did you not know about that?

Yes, they are resisting a foreign occupation, they have a legal right to fire weapons in self defense. Just as you or I would if we were in that situation.
First of all the laws defining occupation were written to apply to sovereign land being captured by another nation, and since the territories were never sovereign land it is not clear they are legally occupied and since Israel has not attempted to exercise any governmental authority over the territories assigned to the so called Palestinians since Oslo, the notion that these territories are occupied by Israel is very murky, indeed.

Moreover if Israel were considered an occupying power, it would have obligation under international law to assume all governmental powers, including police powers, so the Palestinians would have no more right to strike against Israel and Israelis than they had to strike against Hamas.

None of the violence you try to pretend is self defense is sanctioned under international law, and if you consider Israel to be the occupying power all of its actions to establish and maintain peace and order in Gaza are perfectly legal.
 
No more so than I would want to see Jews die by their fruitless resistance of the Nazis in the Warsaw uprising. I would not want to see Jews killed during that but would assert they do however have the right to resist.
And as you have repeatedly stated you would rather see the Palestinians suffer and die in this war they cannot win than live in peace with Israel.
 
And as you have repeatedly stated you would rather see the Palestinians suffer and die in this war they cannot win than live in peace with Israel.
And that’s how the Palestinians themselves think. They have been so brainwashed to hate Jews and want them dead that they have in the past had offers of land for peace - and turned it down. They don’t want their own state - they want Israel EXTERMINATED.
 
What sovereign was "deprived of their territory" and when?

Interesting. So, you claim that the citizens of all countries cease to be civilians if their state engages in aggression? I assume you would apply that to countries like Iran, Yemen, Syria, and Lebanon, yes? All of those countries can legally be bombarded with indiscriminate weapons?

(In case this isn't clear to the audience, no, this is not how the laws of armed conflict work.)
Just between you and me, Sherlock - like all antisemites - makes derogatory and false comments about Jews - and then insists, with feigned indignation, that they’ve never said anything antisemitic. (Even more, they like to insist that their contempt for Israel has nothing to do with Jews.)

Why then, for example, are Sherlock’s posts littered with phrases like “Jewish politics” (there’s no such thing) and “Jewish squatters” (also no such thing)?

Yet, at the same time, as they spew their bigotry toward Jews, they rush in to defend any incompetent idiot elected to office (if black) and screech “racist!” at anyone who brings up the negative consequences of using race as a priority in selecting important officials over merit and competence.

Perhaps a call for a separate thread entirely, but how can liberals (they’re always the liberals) spew such bigotry against one minority while becoming enraged at any perceived slight at another?
 
What sovereign was "deprived of their territory" and when?
Entire villages were purged of Arabs, many of the Kibbutz attacked on October 7th were formerly Arab villages, since renamed. It's easy to find records of all this, Illan Pape speaks of it here, he also explains how what we call Gaza today, came to exist:



Interesting. So, you claim that the citizens of all countries cease to be civilians if their state engages in aggression? I assume you would apply that to countries like Iran, Yemen, Syria, and Lebanon, yes? All of those countries can legally be bombarded with indiscriminate weapons?

(In case this isn't clear to the audience, no, this is not how the laws of armed conflict work.)
The take away here is that terrorism breeds terrorism, so there's no need to dress up with contrived "legal arguments" the state of Israel is a brutal oppressive Jewish nationalist state, everything else follows from that.
 
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First of all the laws defining occupation were written to apply to sovereign land being captured by another nation, and since the territories were never sovereign land it is not clear they are legally occupied and since Israel has not attempted to exercise any governmental authority over the territories assigned to the so called Palestinians since Oslo, the notion that these territories are occupied by Israel is very murky, indeed.

Moreover if Israel were considered an occupying power, it would have obligation under international law to assume all governmental powers, including police powers, so the Palestinians would have no more right to strike against Israel and Israelis than they had to strike against Hamas.

None of the violence you try to pretend is self defense is sanctioned under international law, and if you consider Israel to be the occupying power all of its actions to establish and maintain peace and order in Gaza are perfectly legal.
I have no real interest in responding to you, over the past few months you're routinely condemned the ICC and the UN and implied if not accused, those institutions of being "antisemitic" that's hysteria and dishonest so I have nothing much to say to you on this now.
 
I have no real interest in responding to you, over the past few months you're routinely condemned the ICC and the UN and implied if not accused, those institutions of being "antisemitic" that's hysteria and dishonest so I have nothing much to say to you on this now.
They are antisemitic

Perhaps we should rocket attack them 5000 plus a year and say they are committing genocide if they fire back.
 
They are antisemitic
Plenty of Jews disagree with you.
Perhaps we should rocket attack them 5000 plus a year and say they are committing genocide if they fire back.
Zionist Israel should be wiped off the map just as the Third Reich was wiped off the map, we did it once and now we need to stand up and do it again, so grow a pair.
 

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