proudveteran06
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Why don't these Hypocrites ever complain about the enslaving and killing of Christians in Muslim Lands ?
Why don't these Hypocrites ever complain about the enslaving and killing of Christians in Muslim Lands ?
proudveteran06
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Don't think so. ! I honestly think he would have killed them . The " International Community" wouldn't have gotten involved.
aris2chat
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Arab citizens:
A national 2008 study, conducted in both Hebrew and Arabic, found that:
- 77% of Arab citizens would rather live in Israel than in any other country in the world.
- 68% of Jewish citizens support teaching conversational Arabic in Jewish schools to help bring Arab and Jewish citizens together.
- A great majority of both Jewish citizens (73%) and Arab citizens (94%) want Israel to be a society in which Arab and Jewish citizens have mutual respect and equal opportunities.
- Arab citizens and Jewish citizens both underestimate their communities’ liking of the “other.”
Conclusion: It appears that Arab and Israeli citizens coexist more peacefully than outsiders often assume.
Moreover:
- Arabs in Israel have equal rights under the law.
- Arabs in Israel can vote for whomever they want – including Arab women. In most Arab countries, women do not have the right to vote.
- Arabs in Israel can worship freely – or reject religion, if they so wish (unlike in many Arab countries, where Islam is forced upon all citizens.)
- Arabs in Israel have the freedom of speech (unlike in most Arab countries.) They have their own newspapers, and they have the right to peacefully protest.
- Arabs in Israel are entitled to the full same state education as all other Israelis.
- Arabs are members of the Israeli parliament and ministers in the government. Over 1/10th of the Knesset, Israel’s parliament, is Arab. There is even a mosque in the Knesset building for those who are Muslim.
Conclusion: As many Arab-Israeli journalists state, Arab citizens have far more freedom in Israel than they do in Arab countries.
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Palestinian “permanent residents” (non-citizens):
Palestinians are offered Israeli citizenship, but most reject it.
- At the time of Israel’s founding in 1948, all Palestinian “refugees” were offered Israeli citizenship. However, most rejected this offer, as they did not want to identify themselves with the Jewish state. Thus, they identify as “refugees” by choice.
- As of today, the Palestinians of the West Bank (East Jerusalem) are still offered Israeli citizenship. Most still reject this offer, viewing it as an act of disloyalty to the Palestinian government.
- Nonetheless, the number of Palestinians who accept Israeli citizenship has risen dramatically in recent years.
- Today, most Israeli Arabs – about 20% of Israeli citizens – identify as “Palestinian” by ethnicity.
- The blue “identification cards” that Palestinian citizens carry are merely to prove that they are permanent residents. They are not “racial identification cards” as anti-Israel activists like to claim.
Palestinians’ rights as “permanent residents” of Israel:
- To live, work, and travel freely through Israel without the necessity of special permits
- To vote in local elections
- To purchase property in Israel
- To receive welfare payments from the Israeli government
- Eligibility for national health insurance
Disadvantages of permanent residency (vs. citizenship)
- After leaving Israel and living abroad for seven years, permanent residents may lose their official residency status in Israel. (Citizens, on the other hand, have an automatic right-of-return.)
- Spouses of permanent residents must apply for residency status; it is not automatically granted to them.
- The same is true for the children of permanent residents; parents must apply for their children to have official residency status.
- Cannot vote in national elections
Comparison with other Arab countries:
- In neighboring Arab countries, Palestinians face severe racism. For example, according to the Jordan Times newspaper:
In Lebanon, under the Lebanese labor law that governs foreigners, Palestinians are denied 74 forms of employment.
In Lebanon, Palestinians face tight exit and entry requirements.
In Lebanon, Palestinians are not allowed citizenship.
In Lebanon, Palestinians are confined to 12 camps with no medical, social or educational services from the government and are barred in some of those camps from building or even repairing homes.
Conclusions: Palestinians choose not to be Israeli citizens. Meanwhile, although neighboring Arab nations decry Israel for unequal treatment of Palestinians, those nations do not welcome Palestinians either; they would rather keep Israel as their scapegoat.
The Case for Israel | Stanford Israel Alliance
A national 2008 study, conducted in both Hebrew and Arabic, found that:
- 77% of Arab citizens would rather live in Israel than in any other country in the world.
- 68% of Jewish citizens support teaching conversational Arabic in Jewish schools to help bring Arab and Jewish citizens together.
- A great majority of both Jewish citizens (73%) and Arab citizens (94%) want Israel to be a society in which Arab and Jewish citizens have mutual respect and equal opportunities.
- Arab citizens and Jewish citizens both underestimate their communities’ liking of the “other.”
Conclusion: It appears that Arab and Israeli citizens coexist more peacefully than outsiders often assume.
Moreover:
- Arabs in Israel have equal rights under the law.
- Arabs in Israel can vote for whomever they want – including Arab women. In most Arab countries, women do not have the right to vote.
- Arabs in Israel can worship freely – or reject religion, if they so wish (unlike in many Arab countries, where Islam is forced upon all citizens.)
- Arabs in Israel have the freedom of speech (unlike in most Arab countries.) They have their own newspapers, and they have the right to peacefully protest.
- Arabs in Israel are entitled to the full same state education as all other Israelis.
- Arabs are members of the Israeli parliament and ministers in the government. Over 1/10th of the Knesset, Israel’s parliament, is Arab. There is even a mosque in the Knesset building for those who are Muslim.
Conclusion: As many Arab-Israeli journalists state, Arab citizens have far more freedom in Israel than they do in Arab countries.
-
Palestinian “permanent residents” (non-citizens):
Palestinians are offered Israeli citizenship, but most reject it.
- At the time of Israel’s founding in 1948, all Palestinian “refugees” were offered Israeli citizenship. However, most rejected this offer, as they did not want to identify themselves with the Jewish state. Thus, they identify as “refugees” by choice.
- As of today, the Palestinians of the West Bank (East Jerusalem) are still offered Israeli citizenship. Most still reject this offer, viewing it as an act of disloyalty to the Palestinian government.
- Nonetheless, the number of Palestinians who accept Israeli citizenship has risen dramatically in recent years.
- Today, most Israeli Arabs – about 20% of Israeli citizens – identify as “Palestinian” by ethnicity.
- The blue “identification cards” that Palestinian citizens carry are merely to prove that they are permanent residents. They are not “racial identification cards” as anti-Israel activists like to claim.
Palestinians’ rights as “permanent residents” of Israel:
- To live, work, and travel freely through Israel without the necessity of special permits
- To vote in local elections
- To purchase property in Israel
- To receive welfare payments from the Israeli government
- Eligibility for national health insurance
Disadvantages of permanent residency (vs. citizenship)
- After leaving Israel and living abroad for seven years, permanent residents may lose their official residency status in Israel. (Citizens, on the other hand, have an automatic right-of-return.)
- Spouses of permanent residents must apply for residency status; it is not automatically granted to them.
- The same is true for the children of permanent residents; parents must apply for their children to have official residency status.
- Cannot vote in national elections
Comparison with other Arab countries:
- In neighboring Arab countries, Palestinians face severe racism. For example, according to the Jordan Times newspaper:
In Lebanon, under the Lebanese labor law that governs foreigners, Palestinians are denied 74 forms of employment.
In Lebanon, Palestinians face tight exit and entry requirements.
In Lebanon, Palestinians are not allowed citizenship.
In Lebanon, Palestinians are confined to 12 camps with no medical, social or educational services from the government and are barred in some of those camps from building or even repairing homes.
Conclusions: Palestinians choose not to be Israeli citizens. Meanwhile, although neighboring Arab nations decry Israel for unequal treatment of Palestinians, those nations do not welcome Palestinians either; they would rather keep Israel as their scapegoat.
The Case for Israel | Stanford Israel Alliance
I learned on this board that "Israel is apartheid." I didn't know that. But now that I do, what I don't understand is if as alledged Israel is aparteid, then why is it that Israel is the only country in the entire Middle East to have citizens of virtually all living faiths & why is that not a single Palestinian Israeli citizen has opted to leave Israel to go live in some Arab country? Will somebody please enlighten me? Let the truth be seen by all.
Gosh i wonder how many Christians & Jews are living in all the NON APARTHEID Arab countries & do they have equal voting rights like the Palestinians do in the Israeli Knesset?
Arab citizens of Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Arab citizens of Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Indofred
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I don't hate Jews but Israel is a bastard entity.
Well I think that Pakistan is a "bastard" enity and feel that the Muslims should have learned how to get along with the Hindus instead of the Muslims having to have a country of their own (which was carved out of India) where the remaining Christians and Hindus have a hard time practicing their religious beliefs. And let us not forget that your Sunni brethren can't even get along with the Shia there but are always suicide and car bombing them. We wouldn't even mention what happens to the Ahmadi Muslims, will we, Freddie?
aris2chat
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That is not helpful language. Israel is no more a bastard than Jordan or Syria. Jews have a right to their religious and racial homeland. They have a right to pray at their holy sites. They have a right to their holidays and to follow their religious laws. They have a right to not be molested or killed because of their faith. They have the right to exist as much as muslims and christians do.
The muslim language of hate is the problem not the existence of the jews in Israel.
Israel is defined by the Jews so that is how you view the Jews as well, the two are inseparable.
Billo_Really
Litre of the Band
I wouldn't stop there.
We should also:
- stop all weapons shipments to that country
- freeze all Israeli assets in US banks
- outlaw AIPAC within the continental United States
- park the USS Ronald Reagan off its shores
- use the USS Missouri as an humanitarian aid vessel to Gaza
jillian
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where's your thread on the missiles that were sent into israel this week?
Billo_Really
Litre of the Band
Missiles are a result of the occupation.
You end the occupation, you stop the missiles.
And just what would that achieve in the long run. The death of American industry and the instant decline of its economy as the world markets foreclosed on all American debts. See the government come to a standstill as the money dried up and the people started dying for want of medical intervention. Have Russian and China park their fleets right alongside the two tiny American rowing boats and say to the sailors "want to try some". Then see Israel tear up the existing agreements and say to the Americans we are here if you want to try it yankee boys, but when we kick your buts harder than anyone else has don't start crying.
All because you are a STINKING FILTHY ISLAMONAZI ANTI SEMITIC JEW HATER and I hope the local Jewish bank manager forecloses on your loans and drives you into bankruptsy.
DriftingSand
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The land belongs to Israel. This guy says so:[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3iHtoAg6cc"]jewish settler hate - YouTube[/ame]
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pbel
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Fred, unfortunately, the Israelis and the Arabs Regimes have sold out the Palestinians...They are the Pawns in this tug of war between the ME and the West...
The Israelis have no intention of giving up control of the West Bank...they intend to squeeze them out.
I'm see a long war of attrition grinding on until the Arab Nation rids itself of their corrupt Sheiks, Dictators and Kings who live in opulence while the people starve for food and freedom.
The Arab Spring has just begun and it can not be stopped.
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Indofred
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I apologise but I won'r start a thread, simply mention it here.
PressTV - US to give Israel $429 million for its Iron Dome missile system
I incredulous you want me to tell American taxpayers about their next free gift to Israel but, as a gentleman, I dislike arguing with a lady.
I hope that corrects my error.
Of course, some Americans are living on the streets because there isn't the money to look after them but at least they can keep warm because of the glow in their hearts on hearing this news.
Billo_Really
Litre of the Band
Enforcing the rule of law and letting fascist, tyrannical governments like Israel know the world ain't gonna put up with that shit.
Wake up, you're dreaming again.
That wasn't nice.
Was that the reason why Israel shot dead thousands of unarmed Palestinians trying to return to their villages?
Some strange way to offer civil rights you have there!!
Stop lying, Jew!
No serious historian dispute the fact that even before the war Gurion had already decided that no Palestinians would be allowed back in... this is an undeniable historical fact.
And of course Palestinians rejected Israeli citizenship BEFORE THE EXILE!
Why would the natives of the land agree with the mass invasion of RUSSIANS LIKE FOREVERYOUNG and BELLORUSSIANS LIKE JILLIAN, immigrating into their homeland without their authorization, destroying its ethnic makeup, and deciding to split a territory thousands of miles away from their TRUE HOMELANDS IN EASTERN EUROPE?
The super patriotic american clowns of the USMB are amazingly liberal when it comes to SOMEONE ELSE'S HOMELAND but I would love to see them being so accomodating if America found herself on the receiving end of the same violence inflicted on Palestinians in 48.
As I said in "José's totally awesome thread on the jewish national identity" I respect fully the legitimacy of the national identity of modern Jews like FY and jillian. They definitely constitute a distinct people separate from european gentiles.
But they have no right to go live in Palestine because their jewish ancestry is pure, unadulterated mythology.
But they have no right to go live in Palestine because their jewish ancestry is pure, unadulterated mythology.
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