José;8813884 said:
Originally posted by aris2chat
At the time of Israel’s founding in 1948, all Palestinian “refugees” were offered Israeli citizenship. However, most rejected this offer, as they did not want to identify themselves with the Jewish state. Thus, they identify as “refugees” by choice.
Was that the reason why Israel shot dead thousands of unarmed Palestinians trying to return to their villages?
Some strange way to offer civil rights you have there!!
Stop lying, Jew!
No serious historian dispute the fact that even before the war Gurion had already decided that no Palestinians would be allowed back in... this is an undeniable historical fact.
And of course Palestinians rejected Israeli citizenship
BEFORE THE EXILE!
Why would the natives of the land agree with the mass invasion of
RUSSIANS LIKE FOREVERYOUNG and
BELLORUSSIANS LIKE JILLIAN, immigrating into their homeland without their authorization, destroying its ethnic makeup, and deciding to split a territory thousands of miles away from their
TRUE HOMELANDS IN EASTERN EUROPE?
The super patriotic american clowns of the USMB are amazingly liberal when it comes to
SOMEONE ELSE'S HOMELAND but I would love to see them being so accomodating if America found herself on the receiving end of the same violence inflicted on Palestinians in 48.
You over estimate the numbers.
>>...massacres and attacks against Jewish civilians were the Haifa Oil Refinery massacre where 39 Jews were killed by Arab workers after Irgun members had thrown a bomb into the crowd, and the Kfar Etzion massacre where around 120-150 surrendering defenders were killed by Arab irregulars, with the participation of Arab Legion soldiers. With 80 deaths, the Hadassah medical convoy attack is also reported as a massacre because it included the mass killing of unarmed medical personnel by Arabs.
Both Israeli archives and Palestinian testimonies confirm killings occurred in numerous Arab villages. According to Morris, the "worst cases" were the Saliha massacre with 60 to 70 killed, the Deir Yassin massacre with around 100, Lydda massacre with around 250 and the Abu Shusha massacre with 60-70.<<
Arabs, particularly syrians would shoot palestinians trying to return to Israel with as little empathy as they had when they crushed palestinians with their tanks entering Israel. That would account for a thousand or more.
Israel bashers like to multiply the death like they did at Sabra. Israel is not the one massacring palestinians, it is their neighbors and fellow arabs that have killed the most. Syria have killed more palestinians that Jordan, Israel and Egypt combined, and it is still killing them by bombing, starvation and disease. Over two years period Syria with the help of Amal killed between 3-10 thousand palestinians. I know figures are never exact when it comes to counting the dead in the Middle East, but I remember the counting in Sabra and Shatila and that many palestinians propagandists were multiplying by ten when they gave figures. I also know that most were not "massacred" but died fighting. Sadly many of the homes were rigged to explode and kill those inside by the head of the home. A few, most under the command of Mashaalani were high to numb the mind of what they were doing. Those were the ones that got carried away in their vengeance. All of those under Maroun's command had lost love ones to palestinian massacres. They were also involved in most the fighting in and around the Gaza Hospital.
Everything was heightened by the fact that the President-elect had been assassinated just days before. At the time the palestinians were on the top of the suspect list. It turned out to be the head of the Shabab, Elie Hobeika and Assad Hardane who set it up and Shartoui who planted the bomb in the building. It was the syrians. Palestinans had been responsible for so many bombings, massacres and death in Lebanon, and they had a bitter feud with the family, having kidnapped and tortured Bashir when he was a teen, they were the first to be suspect.
Still over a thousand fighters were rounded up and taken to the stadium and shipped
out of the country, as Arafat had been.
It was a different time and place than the West or the US. There are no clear cut rules and lines to follow. It is survival, passion, revenge, manipulation, what ever it takes day to day. Judgements and justice have little to do with the law.
As seen in syria and between palestinians, and even between Muslim sect, what they see is justice is far from what the west would call it. The region is still highly sectarian and feudal/tribal.
