Israel the Monster: Mass-murder of Innocents

[Anguille]

Only 2 died last week, but don't you know? It does not matter how many have died in the past. Who ******* cares they are just dirty Jews anyway?

If only 2 died then it won't matter to him. I know that because he claims the number of people killed in anti abortion bombings is so slight as to make those killings unimportant.

 

[Anguille]

I'm wondering when Israelis plan on starting to toss the Palestinians into ovens.

Hitler would be proud .. and vindicated.

I don't know why anyone thinks that kind of talk is convincing.

It's no better than troofer talking points.

 

[auditor0007]

does that matter? What matters is they keep launching them. All they have to do to achieve peace is to simply stop launching rockets!

Oh come on now; we all know those Hamas rockets being fired at Israel are purely defensive in nature. That is why the innocent civilians of Gaza elected Hamas to lead them and defend them against the Jewish Infidels.

 

[Gunny]

If only 2 died then it won't matter to him. I know that because he claims the number of people killed in anti abortion bombings is so slight as to make those killings unimportant.

You need to get real on that one. There isn't even a comparison between the two.

 

[Gunny]

Oh come on now; we all know those Hamas rockets being fired at Israel are purely defensive in nature. That is why the innocent civilians of Gaza elected Hamas to lead them and defend them against the Jewish Infidels.

Even better when one feels the need to defend himself against all those shoppers at the market by detonating himself. The videos clearly show the Arab being assaulted with various vegetables before resorting to such drastic means of self-defense .....

 

[Gunny]

Oh sure .. I believe that.

You don't have a choice. You are wrong. Let it go.

 

[Annie]

They could perhaps afford weapons but not get as good weapons.

But God is not on the side of anyone in this conflict. People of Israel are simply members of the lucky sperm club for being Israelis and not Palis.

Robert have you seen the destruction? They are taking out a building, not blocks. It's certainly bad and I feel empathy for the Palestinians that just want peace. However the missiles being used are not Israel's most powerful weapons, indeed looking at their taking out one building if they are 'good' it's that they appear to be 'smart' and not indiscriminate bombs. You'd rather they used 'dumb' bombs?

 

[BlackAsCoal]

I don't know why anyone thinks that kind of talk is convincing.

It's no better than troofer talking points.

It was not meant to be convincing .. it's an observation .. and one that I'm sure more than a few people are asking.

And if I may .. what you call "troofer" points aren't really meant to be convincing either, at least not when they come from me. One absolute that every argument and question should begin with is most people are stupid. They have no ability to break through the cognitive dissonance that controls them. The fact that George Bush served two terms as president is evidence of that truth.

Start from there and "convincing" becomes unimportant.

 

[BlackAsCoal]

Nah, without US backing Israel could afford weapons. With US backing, Palis wouldn't have the European largesse.

The weapons they could afford would force them to be better partners at the negotiating table .. and without US backing the international community would have stepped in and forced resolution long ago.

 

[BlackAsCoal]

You don't have a choice. You are wrong. Let it go.

It's gone sir

.... just wanted you to know that I know better.

But hey .. it's gone.

 

[BlackAsCoal]

So the fact that Israel may have nukes, means the only equality is what? That the Palis do? That Iran, which has nothing to do with the problems, should?

Of course Iran should have nukes if Israel has them. If ANY nation, including the US, has a "right" to having nuclear weapons, then EVERY nation has that right.

What makes the US .. the only nation to actually USE nuclear weapons .. twice .. didn't have to either time .. we were testing .. on humans .. what in the hell gives us and/or Israel the right to make that determination?

 

[Munin]

Yes, it does matter.

How many Israeli's were killed with these home made bottle rockets??

Seriously:

Israel aims at military targets and causes civilian deaths as an accidental result.

Hamas aims at CIVILIANS and kills them on purpose.


Hamas re criminals that declared war on Israel (not the other way around), what does this say about the people that elect such criminals? Criminals that say "it s okay to kill and Israeli baby/child because it will grow up to become an Israeli soldier". Criminals that re to big of cowards to attack military targets, but aim their attack on civilian targets. People that aim their guns at babies, journalists, women, ... re people worthy of being put into jail and if people decide to elect them as their government it says a lot about them: that is the image the West gets about Palistines who support Hamas, yet we still give them humanitarian aid.


What I don't understand is what kind of people re leaving those people in charge of the Government of Gaza? Why those Arab leaders who now seem to have their mouth full of human rights support the biggest violators of human rights since "Nazi germany", yes we should be outraged by the death of so many civilians but we should even be more outraged by the fact that civilians re targeted on purpose by a so called "official" government.


If you compare the situation on the West bank with the situation in Gaza, it is very clear what is different between them: Hamas and not Israel. While Fatah talks about peace and also behaves like it, Hamas uses a cease fire to smuggle even more rockets into Gaza.

 

[BlackAsCoal]

Seriously:

Israel aims at military targets and causes civilian deaths as an accidental result.

Hamas aims at CIVILIANS and kills them on purpose.


Hamas re criminals that declared war with Israel (not the other way around), what does this say about the people that elect such criminals? Criminals that say "it s okay to kill and Israeli baby/child because it will grow up to become an Israeli soldier". Criminals that re to big of cowards to attack military targets, but aim their attack civilian targets. People that aim their guns at babies, journalists, women, ... re people worthy of being put into jail and if people decide to elect them as their government it says a lot about them: that is the image the West gets about Palistines who support Hamas, yet we still give them humanitarian aid.


What I don't understand is what kind of people re leaving those people in charge of the Government of Gaza? Why those Arab leaders who now seem to have their mouth full of human rights support the biggest violators of human rights since "Nazi germany", yes we should be outraged by the death of so many civilian but we should even be more outraged by the fact that civilians re targeted on purpose by a so called "official" government.


If you compare the situation on the West bank with the situation in Gaza, it is very clear what is different between them: Hamas and not Israel. While Fatah talks about peace and also behaves like it, Hamas uses a cease fire to smuggle even more rockets into Gaza.

The notion that Israel aims at military targets and not civilians is laughably ridiculous. They're dropping bombs in civilian areas and dropping bombs in one of the mosr densely populated areas in the world. It's is ridiculous to suggest that they only target the military or Hamas.

You may well convince yourself of this illusion, but the rest of the world is not fooled. Protests have broken out everywhere, including by more than arabs, and I don't find a single one in support of Isreal .. not because of the made-up crap about "anti-semitism" .. but because they see what Israeli apologists refuse to see.

How is our support of Isreal and the constant pouring of shrinking US tax dollars into Israel in America's best interests?

 

[Mr. President]

Israel is completely justified in it's attacks. Would not America consider rockets fired into civilians cities an act of war? We would and if the rockets were fired at the houses of any person on this board they would seek revenge and rightfully so. But because we are displaced from the fear of our children being hit by missles and rocket fire while walking to school we sit back and try to make an educated opinion from the sidelines.

 

[Munin]

The notion that Israel aims at military targets and not civilians is laughably ridiculous. They're dropping bombs in civilian areas and dropping bombs in one of the mosr densely populated areas in the world. It's is ridiculous to suggest that they only target the military or Hamas.

You may well convince yourself of this illusion, but the rest of the world is not fooled. Protests have broken out everywhere, including by more than arabs, and I don't find a single one in support of Isreal .. not because of the made-up crap about "anti-semitism" .. but because they see what Israeli apologists refuse to see.

How is our support of Isreal and the constant pouring of shrinking US tax dollars into Israel in America's best interests?

Well they re dropping bombs with the intension to kill enemy fighters, you are right that sometimes the intension to kill enemy fighters is questionable.

But then when you think of it: what would Israel have to gain by killing civilians?
The people who decide the outcome of the elections in Israel aren't pleased with civilian casualties, so the people in command have no gains by targeting civilians. Also as a result of civilian casualties the international pressure would be put upon Israel wich is also bad for the governing party.

I think you can agree that the main aim of Israel is not to kill palistinians, because then they could have used different "more efficient" weapons for that purpose and then they wouldn't care about using a land force to take out targets, using fighter jets who re able to destroy specific buildings. They could have used artillery and strategic bomber planes if that really was their main goal.

Also the fact that these bombing only happend in Gaza and not in the West Bank region (as far as I know), also indicate that Israel is not the main issue here.

Those protests are happening because of the large number of civilian casualties on the palistinian side. They re justified protests, I find the civilian casualties a very high price but if Israel would take out Hamas once and for all putting an end to "the terrorist government" and bring an end to this war that has been stretched out too long over time it might not have been casualties for nothing.
Keep this in mind: http://www.usmessageboard.com/israel-and-palestine/66460-are-we-doing-abbas-dirty-work.html


Also do you think that the people that re now protesting would have been protesting if the same would have happend with Jewish casualties, that for example suicide bombers would have caused a similar number of deaths?

I still haven't forgotten this:
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http://www.israelinsider.com/channels/diplomacy/articles/dip_0087.htm


If we assumed for a moment that for some miracle Gaza stopped firing missiles on civilians, don't you think that Israel would NOT have bombed (military) targets in civilian areas? Israel even warned the palistinians and Hamas for this, they explicitly said what they would do if they didn't stop firing rockets into Gaza. And this really puts the blame for the result of the actions of Hamas on Hamas: Hamas can not deny that it was not responsible for this.

"How is our support of Isreal and the constant pouring of shrinking US tax dollars into Israel in America's best interests?"

Well about America: the reason why America and Israel re the closest allies is Historical, in one way America is also responsible for what is happening now because America promised to give the Jews their own Nation (WWII) and they choose the location of Israel where it is today.

Also the big political power the Jews have in the US, did you remember that each presidential candidate had to assure himself of Jewish support in the US before he got elected (this year 2008): it was maybe most visible with Barack Obama who still had to prove himself among the Jews.

 

[Mr. President]

Breaking news: second Israeli killed today by rocket attacks of the last two weeks!!!



(If anyone cares, 5 young palestanian sisters were killed by Israelie bombs pushing the death toll to over 300)

I'd like to see proof of that second comment.

 

[Sunni Man]

Also the big political power the Jews have in the US, did you remember that each presidential candidate had to assure himself of Jewish support in the US before he got elected (this year 2008): it was maybe most visible with Barack Obama who still had to prove himself among the Jews.

In reality, the Zionist Jews control American political life.

Even though they are only 2% of the population.

An American Presidential canidate cannot get elected without the approval of the Zionist Jews.

Saddly, U.S. foriegn policy is forced to comply with Israel's agenda.

Untill we free ourselves from the Zionist influence on our government.

America will continue to be vilified by the rest of the world.

 

[Modbert]

Robert have you seen the destruction? They are taking out a building, not blocks. It's certainly bad and I feel empathy for the Palestinians that just want peace. However the missiles being used are not Israel's most powerful weapons, indeed looking at their taking out one building if they are 'good' it's that they appear to be 'smart' and not indiscriminate bombs. You'd rather they used 'dumb' bombs?

Oh I know, but I don't think you get my point when I stated what I did in my last post.

 

[cunclusion]

So does that mean using civilians as shields is not bad. So I could attack somewhere use all the people on this board and thier families as shields so when i get attacked all of you get killed and i can escape out the back. Does that make me a better person than the person who attacked me???

 

[Luciano]

So does that mean using civilians as shields is not bad. So I could attack somewhere use all the people on this board and thier families as shields so when i get attacked all of you get killed and i can escape out the back. Does that make me a better person than the person who attacked me???

Palestinian children are targeted by the Israeli army as a way to make some pressure on the resistants. The leaders of that terrorist army think that if they kill the members of families in the city of resistants, those freedom fighters would get frustrated and stop fighting.