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As always, the invading European colonists blame the native people for the violence. It is one the worst cases of cognitive dissonance ever.
Do you have any idea how ridiculous your assertions are? You don't seem to understand that the Fourth Geneva Convention. Nor do you have any clue that the High Contracting Parties as recently as December of 2014 produced a 10 point addendum that specifically relegate your assertions to the nonsense they represent.
"Declaration of 17 December 2014 adopted by the Conference of High Contracting Parties to the Fourth Geneva Convention
1. This Declaration reflects the common understanding reached by the participating High Contracting Parties to the Conference of High Contracting Parties to the Fourth Geneva Convention on 17 December 2014, mindful of the recommendation by the United Nations General Assembly in resolution 64/10 of 1 December 2009.
2. The participating High Contracting Parties reaffirm the statement of the Conference of High Contracting Parties to the Fourth Geneva Convention of 15 July 1999 and the Declaration of 5 December 2001.
3. The participating High Contracting Parties reiterate the need to fully respect the fundamental principles of international humanitarian law, according to which all parties to the conflict, and as such also non-State actors, must respect, at all times, inter alia, (1) the obligation to distinguish between civilians and combatants and between civilian objects and military objectives; (2) the principle of proportionality; and (3) the obligation to take all feasible precautions to protect civilians and civilian objects. In addition, the participating High Contracting Parties emphasize that no violation of international humanitarian law by any party to a conflict can relieve the other party from its own obligations under international humanitarian law.
4. The participating High Contracting Parties emphasize the continued applicability and relevance of the Fourth Geneva Convention, which all High Contracting Parties have undertaken to respect and to ensure respect for in all circumstances. As such, they call on the occupying Power to fully and effectively respect the Fourth Geneva Convention in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem. They also remind the occupying Power of its obligation to administer the Occupied Palestinian Territory in a way which fully takes into account the needs of the civilian population while safeguarding its own security, and notably preserve its demographic characteristics.
5. The participating High Contracting Parties recall the primary obligation of the occupying Power to ensure adequate supplies of the population of the occupied territory and that whenever it is not in a position to do so, it is under the obligation to allow and facilitate relief schemes. In that case, they further recall that all High Contracting Parties shall permit the free passage of humanitarian relief and shall guarantee its protection. In this regard, the participating High Contracting Parties reiterate their support to the activities of the International Committee of the Red Cross, within its particular role conferred upon it by the Geneva Conventions, of the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East, and of other impartial humanitarian organizations, to assess and alleviate the humanitarian situation in the field. Beyond, all parties to the conflict, and as such also non-State actors, should make all possible efforts to allow and facilitate rapid and unimpeded passage of humanitarian relief for the population of the occupied territory.
6. The participating High Contracting Parties emphasize that all serious violations of international humanitarian law must be investigated and that all those responsible should be brought to justice.
7. The participating High Contracting Parties express their deep concern about recurring violations of international humanitarian law by all parties to the conflict, and as such also by non-State actors, including in the context of military operations and attacks directed against and emanating from the Occupied Palestinian Territory since the Conference of High Contracting Parties on 5 December 2001 and the resulting great suffering of the civilian population. They are particularly concerned about the number of victims among the civilian population in densely populated areas.
8. The participating High Contracting Parties express their deep concern about the impact of the continued occupation of the Occupied Palestinian Territory. They recall that, according to the advisory opinion of the International Court of Justice of 9 July 2004, the construction of the wall in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including in and around East Jerusalem, at least insofar as it deviates from the Green Line, and its associated regime, are contrary to international humanitarian law. They equally express their deep concern, from an international humanitarian law standpoint, about certain measures taken by the occupying Power in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including the closure of the Gaza Strip. They reaffirm the illegality of the settlements in the said territory and of the expansion thereof and of related unlawful seizure of property as well as of the transfer of prisoners into the territory of the occupying Power.
9. With regard to the conduct of hostilities, the participating High Contracting Parties underscore that the following acts are, among others, prohibited by international humanitarian law for all parties to the conflict, and as such also for non-State actors: (1) indiscriminate attacks of any kind, including attacks which are not directed at specific military objectives, and the employment of a method or means of combat which cannot be directed at a specific military objective or whose effects do not meet the requirements of the principles mentioned in paragraph 3 of this Declaration; (2) disproportionate attacks of any kind, including excessive destruction of civilian infrastructure; (3) destruction of property, carried out inconsistently with the principles mentioned in paragraph 3 of this Declaration; (4) attacks against protected persons and objects, including medical buildings, material, transports, units and personnel, as well as humanitarian personnel and objects, unless and for such time as they have lost their protection against direct attack; (5) attacks against civilian objects, including schools, unless and for such time as they are military objectives; (6) the location of military objectives in the vicinity of civilians and civilian objects, when it would be avoidable and (7) the use of civilians as human shields.
10. The participating High Contracting Parties reiterate the need to find a peaceful solution to the conflict, and stress that respect for and implementation of the Fourth Geneva Convention and international humanitarian law in general is essential to achieve a just and lasting peace."
A/69/711-S/2015/1 of 9 January 2015
Do you have any idea how ridiculous your assertions are? You don't seem to understand that the Fourth Geneva Convention. Nor do you have any clue that the High Contracting Parties as recently as December of 2014 produced a 10 point addendum that specifically relegate your assertions to the nonsense they represent.
"Declaration of 17 December 2014 adopted by the Conference of High Contracting Parties to the Fourth Geneva Convention
1. This Declaration reflects the common understanding reached by the participating High Contracting Parties to the Conference of High Contracting Parties to the Fourth Geneva Convention on 17 December 2014, mindful of the recommendation by the United Nations General Assembly in resolution 64/10 of 1 December 2009.
2. The participating High Contracting Parties reaffirm the statement of the Conference of High Contracting Parties to the Fourth Geneva Convention of 15 July 1999 and the Declaration of 5 December 2001.
3. The participating High Contracting Parties reiterate the need to fully respect the fundamental principles of international humanitarian law, according to which all parties to the conflict, and as such also non-State actors, must respect, at all times, inter alia, (1) the obligation to distinguish between civilians and combatants and between civilian objects and military objectives; (2) the principle of proportionality; and (3) the obligation to take all feasible precautions to protect civilians and civilian objects. In addition, the participating High Contracting Parties emphasize that no violation of international humanitarian law by any party to a conflict can relieve the other party from its own obligations under international humanitarian law.
4. The participating High Contracting Parties emphasize the continued applicability and relevance of the Fourth Geneva Convention, which all High Contracting Parties have undertaken to respect and to ensure respect for in all circumstances. As such, they call on the occupying Power to fully and effectively respect the Fourth Geneva Convention in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem. They also remind the occupying Power of its obligation to administer the Occupied Palestinian Territory in a way which fully takes into account the needs of the civilian population while safeguarding its own security, and notably preserve its demographic characteristics.
5. The participating High Contracting Parties recall the primary obligation of the occupying Power to ensure adequate supplies of the population of the occupied territory and that whenever it is not in a position to do so, it is under the obligation to allow and facilitate relief schemes. In that case, they further recall that all High Contracting Parties shall permit the free passage of humanitarian relief and shall guarantee its protection. In this regard, the participating High Contracting Parties reiterate their support to the activities of the International Committee of the Red Cross, within its particular role conferred upon it by the Geneva Conventions, of the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East, and of other impartial humanitarian organizations, to assess and alleviate the humanitarian situation in the field. Beyond, all parties to the conflict, and as such also non-State actors, should make all possible efforts to allow and facilitate rapid and unimpeded passage of humanitarian relief for the population of the occupied territory.
6. The participating High Contracting Parties emphasize that all serious violations of international humanitarian law must be investigated and that all those responsible should be brought to justice.
7. The participating High Contracting Parties express their deep concern about recurring violations of international humanitarian law by all parties to the conflict, and as such also by non-State actors, including in the context of military operations and attacks directed against and emanating from the Occupied Palestinian Territory since the Conference of High Contracting Parties on 5 December 2001 and the resulting great suffering of the civilian population. They are particularly concerned about the number of victims among the civilian population in densely populated areas.
8. The participating High Contracting Parties express their deep concern about the impact of the continued occupation of the Occupied Palestinian Territory. They recall that, according to the advisory opinion of the International Court of Justice of 9 July 2004, the construction of the wall in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including in and around East Jerusalem, at least insofar as it deviates from the Green Line, and its associated regime, are contrary to international humanitarian law. They equally express their deep concern, from an international humanitarian law standpoint, about certain measures taken by the occupying Power in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including the closure of the Gaza Strip. They reaffirm the illegality of the settlements in the said territory and of the expansion thereof and of related unlawful seizure of property as well as of the transfer of prisoners into the territory of the occupying Power.
9. With regard to the conduct of hostilities, the participating High Contracting Parties underscore that the following acts are, among others, prohibited by international humanitarian law for all parties to the conflict, and as such also for non-State actors: (1) indiscriminate attacks of any kind, including attacks which are not directed at specific military objectives, and the employment of a method or means of combat which cannot be directed at a specific military objective or whose effects do not meet the requirements of the principles mentioned in paragraph 3 of this Declaration; (2) disproportionate attacks of any kind, including excessive destruction of civilian infrastructure; (3) destruction of property, carried out inconsistently with the principles mentioned in paragraph 3 of this Declaration; (4) attacks against protected persons and objects, including medical buildings, material, transports, units and personnel, as well as humanitarian personnel and objects, unless and for such time as they have lost their protection against direct attack; (5) attacks against civilian objects, including schools, unless and for such time as they are military objectives; (6) the location of military objectives in the vicinity of civilians and civilian objects, when it would be avoidable and (7) the use of civilians as human shields.
10. The participating High Contracting Parties reiterate the need to find a peaceful solution to the conflict, and stress that respect for and implementation of the Fourth Geneva Convention and international humanitarian law in general is essential to achieve a just and lasting peace."
A/69/711-S/2015/1 of 9 January 2015
Yikes
Although I did enjoy you shooting yourself in the foot again.
I wonder if you bother reading what you cut and paste. Or if you just hope no one else does.
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3. The participating High Contracting Parties reiterate the need to fully respect the fundamental principles of international humanitarian law, according to which all parties to the conflict, and as such also non-State actors, must respect, at all times, inter alia, (1) the obligation to distinguish between civilians and combatants and between civilian objects and military objectives; (2) the principle of proportionality; and (3) the obligation to take all feasible precautions to protect civilians and civilian objects. In addition, the participating High Contracting Parties emphasize that no violation of international humanitarian law by any party to a conflict can relieve the other party from its own obligations under international humanitarian law.
End Quote
Looks to me by your own admission Israel is obligated to distinguish between civilians and combatants.
Exactly as I've been saying all along.
One is a protected person, the other is not.
The UN also spells out in its own operating guidelines, processes by which combatants are segregated from refugees. But that might be a little complex for you Monty
The Geneva Conventions specifically outlines two very different permissible treatments for persons considered protected ( either refugees or civilians ) and those considered combatants.
The more you are shown to be a fool, the more you cut and paste. However, it is clear who the High Contracting Parties determined were the protected persons in the 2014 declaration. They were the people of Gaza. Talk about shooting oneself in the foot. LOL
Do you have any idea how ridiculous your assertions are? You don't seem to understand that the Fourth Geneva Convention. Nor do you have any clue that the High Contracting Parties as recently as December of 2014 produced a 10 point addendum that specifically relegate your assertions to the nonsense they represent.
"Declaration of 17 December 2014 adopted by the Conference of High Contracting Parties to the Fourth Geneva Convention
1. This Declaration reflects the common understanding reached by the participating High Contracting Parties to the Conference of High Contracting Parties to the Fourth Geneva Convention on 17 December 2014, mindful of the recommendation by the United Nations General Assembly in resolution 64/10 of 1 December 2009.
2. The participating High Contracting Parties reaffirm the statement of the Conference of High Contracting Parties to the Fourth Geneva Convention of 15 July 1999 and the Declaration of 5 December 2001.
3. The participating High Contracting Parties reiterate the need to fully respect the fundamental principles of international humanitarian law, according to which all parties to the conflict, and as such also non-State actors, must respect, at all times, inter alia, (1) the obligation to distinguish between civilians and combatants and between civilian objects and military objectives; (2) the principle of proportionality; and (3) the obligation to take all feasible precautions to protect civilians and civilian objects. In addition, the participating High Contracting Parties emphasize that no violation of international humanitarian law by any party to a conflict can relieve the other party from its own obligations under international humanitarian law.
4. The participating High Contracting Parties emphasize the continued applicability and relevance of the Fourth Geneva Convention, which all High Contracting Parties have undertaken to respect and to ensure respect for in all circumstances. As such, they call on the occupying Power to fully and effectively respect the Fourth Geneva Convention in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem. They also remind the occupying Power of its obligation to administer the Occupied Palestinian Territory in a way which fully takes into account the needs of the civilian population while safeguarding its own security, and notably preserve its demographic characteristics.
5. The participating High Contracting Parties recall the primary obligation of the occupying Power to ensure adequate supplies of the population of the occupied territory and that whenever it is not in a position to do so, it is under the obligation to allow and facilitate relief schemes. In that case, they further recall that all High Contracting Parties shall permit the free passage of humanitarian relief and shall guarantee its protection. In this regard, the participating High Contracting Parties reiterate their support to the activities of the International Committee of the Red Cross, within its particular role conferred upon it by the Geneva Conventions, of the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East, and of other impartial humanitarian organizations, to assess and alleviate the humanitarian situation in the field. Beyond, all parties to the conflict, and as such also non-State actors, should make all possible efforts to allow and facilitate rapid and unimpeded passage of humanitarian relief for the population of the occupied territory.
6. The participating High Contracting Parties emphasize that all serious violations of international humanitarian law must be investigated and that all those responsible should be brought to justice.
7. The participating High Contracting Parties express their deep concern about recurring violations of international humanitarian law by all parties to the conflict, and as such also by non-State actors, including in the context of military operations and attacks directed against and emanating from the Occupied Palestinian Territory since the Conference of High Contracting Parties on 5 December 2001 and the resulting great suffering of the civilian population. They are particularly concerned about the number of victims among the civilian population in densely populated areas.
8. The participating High Contracting Parties express their deep concern about the impact of the continued occupation of the Occupied Palestinian Territory. They recall that, according to the advisory opinion of the International Court of Justice of 9 July 2004, the construction of the wall in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including in and around East Jerusalem, at least insofar as it deviates from the Green Line, and its associated regime, are contrary to international humanitarian law. They equally express their deep concern, from an international humanitarian law standpoint, about certain measures taken by the occupying Power in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including the closure of the Gaza Strip. They reaffirm the illegality of the settlements in the said territory and of the expansion thereof and of related unlawful seizure of property as well as of the transfer of prisoners into the territory of the occupying Power.
9. With regard to the conduct of hostilities, the participating High Contracting Parties underscore that the following acts are, among others, prohibited by international humanitarian law for all parties to the conflict, and as such also for non-State actors: (1) indiscriminate attacks of any kind, including attacks which are not directed at specific military objectives, and the employment of a method or means of combat which cannot be directed at a specific military objective or whose effects do not meet the requirements of the principles mentioned in paragraph 3 of this Declaration; (2) disproportionate attacks of any kind, including excessive destruction of civilian infrastructure; (3) destruction of property, carried out inconsistently with the principles mentioned in paragraph 3 of this Declaration; (4) attacks against protected persons and objects, including medical buildings, material, transports, units and personnel, as well as humanitarian personnel and objects, unless and for such time as they have lost their protection against direct attack; (5) attacks against civilian objects, including schools, unless and for such time as they are military objectives; (6) the location of military objectives in the vicinity of civilians and civilian objects, when it would be avoidable and (7) the use of civilians as human shields.
10. The participating High Contracting Parties reiterate the need to find a peaceful solution to the conflict, and stress that respect for and implementation of the Fourth Geneva Convention and international humanitarian law in general is essential to achieve a just and lasting peace."
A/69/711-S/2015/1 of 9 January 2015
Yikes
Although I did enjoy you shooting yourself in the foot again.
I wonder if you bother reading what you cut and paste. Or if you just hope no one else does.
Quote
3. The participating High Contracting Parties reiterate the need to fully respect the fundamental principles of international humanitarian law, according to which all parties to the conflict, and as such also non-State actors, must respect, at all times, inter alia, (1) the obligation to distinguish between civilians and combatants and between civilian objects and military objectives; (2) the principle of proportionality; and (3) the obligation to take all feasible precautions to protect civilians and civilian objects. In addition, the participating High Contracting Parties emphasize that no violation of international humanitarian law by any party to a conflict can relieve the other party from its own obligations under international humanitarian law.
End Quote
Looks to me by your own admission Israel is obligated to distinguish between civilians and combatants.
Exactly as I've been saying all along.
One is a protected person, the other is not.
The UN also spells out in its own operating guidelines, processes by which combatants are segregated from refugees. But that might be a little complex for you Monty
The Geneva Conventions specifically outlines two very different permissible treatments for persons considered protected ( either refugees or civilians ) and those considered combatants.
The more you are shown to be a fool, the more you cut and paste. However, it is clear who the High Contracting Parties determined were the protected persons in the 2014 declaration. They were the people of Gaza. Talk about shooting oneself in the foot. LOL
Just read your cut and paste again and cant see any implied or direct reference to gaza being the protected persons. I do see the high contracting parties demanding that hamas stop all war crimes and cease firing rockets at children from civilian areas
Do you have any idea how ridiculous your assertions are? You don't seem to understand that the Fourth Geneva Convention. Nor do you have any clue that the High Contracting Parties as recently as December of 2014 produced a 10 point addendum that specifically relegate your assertions to the nonsense they represent.
"Declaration of 17 December 2014 adopted by the Conference of High Contracting Parties to the Fourth Geneva Convention
1. This Declaration reflects the common understanding reached by the participating High Contracting Parties to the Conference of High Contracting Parties to the Fourth Geneva Convention on 17 December 2014, mindful of the recommendation by the United Nations General Assembly in resolution 64/10 of 1 December 2009.
2. The participating High Contracting Parties reaffirm the statement of the Conference of High Contracting Parties to the Fourth Geneva Convention of 15 July 1999 and the Declaration of 5 December 2001.
3. The participating High Contracting Parties reiterate the need to fully respect the fundamental principles of international humanitarian law, according to which all parties to the conflict, and as such also non-State actors, must respect, at all times, inter alia, (1) the obligation to distinguish between civilians and combatants and between civilian objects and military objectives; (2) the principle of proportionality; and (3) the obligation to take all feasible precautions to protect civilians and civilian objects. In addition, the participating High Contracting Parties emphasize that no violation of international humanitarian law by any party to a conflict can relieve the other party from its own obligations under international humanitarian law.
4. The participating High Contracting Parties emphasize the continued applicability and relevance of the Fourth Geneva Convention, which all High Contracting Parties have undertaken to respect and to ensure respect for in all circumstances. As such, they call on the occupying Power to fully and effectively respect the Fourth Geneva Convention in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem. They also remind the occupying Power of its obligation to administer the Occupied Palestinian Territory in a way which fully takes into account the needs of the civilian population while safeguarding its own security, and notably preserve its demographic characteristics.
5. The participating High Contracting Parties recall the primary obligation of the occupying Power to ensure adequate supplies of the population of the occupied territory and that whenever it is not in a position to do so, it is under the obligation to allow and facilitate relief schemes. In that case, they further recall that all High Contracting Parties shall permit the free passage of humanitarian relief and shall guarantee its protection. In this regard, the participating High Contracting Parties reiterate their support to the activities of the International Committee of the Red Cross, within its particular role conferred upon it by the Geneva Conventions, of the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East, and of other impartial humanitarian organizations, to assess and alleviate the humanitarian situation in the field. Beyond, all parties to the conflict, and as such also non-State actors, should make all possible efforts to allow and facilitate rapid and unimpeded passage of humanitarian relief for the population of the occupied territory.
6. The participating High Contracting Parties emphasize that all serious violations of international humanitarian law must be investigated and that all those responsible should be brought to justice.
7. The participating High Contracting Parties express their deep concern about recurring violations of international humanitarian law by all parties to the conflict, and as such also by non-State actors, including in the context of military operations and attacks directed against and emanating from the Occupied Palestinian Territory since the Conference of High Contracting Parties on 5 December 2001 and the resulting great suffering of the civilian population. They are particularly concerned about the number of victims among the civilian population in densely populated areas.
8. The participating High Contracting Parties express their deep concern about the impact of the continued occupation of the Occupied Palestinian Territory. They recall that, according to the advisory opinion of the International Court of Justice of 9 July 2004, the construction of the wall in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including in and around East Jerusalem, at least insofar as it deviates from the Green Line, and its associated regime, are contrary to international humanitarian law. They equally express their deep concern, from an international humanitarian law standpoint, about certain measures taken by the occupying Power in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including the closure of the Gaza Strip. They reaffirm the illegality of the settlements in the said territory and of the expansion thereof and of related unlawful seizure of property as well as of the transfer of prisoners into the territory of the occupying Power.
9. With regard to the conduct of hostilities, the participating High Contracting Parties underscore that the following acts are, among others, prohibited by international humanitarian law for all parties to the conflict, and as such also for non-State actors: (1) indiscriminate attacks of any kind, including attacks which are not directed at specific military objectives, and the employment of a method or means of combat which cannot be directed at a specific military objective or whose effects do not meet the requirements of the principles mentioned in paragraph 3 of this Declaration; (2) disproportionate attacks of any kind, including excessive destruction of civilian infrastructure; (3) destruction of property, carried out inconsistently with the principles mentioned in paragraph 3 of this Declaration; (4) attacks against protected persons and objects, including medical buildings, material, transports, units and personnel, as well as humanitarian personnel and objects, unless and for such time as they have lost their protection against direct attack; (5) attacks against civilian objects, including schools, unless and for such time as they are military objectives; (6) the location of military objectives in the vicinity of civilians and civilian objects, when it would be avoidable and (7) the use of civilians as human shields.
10. The participating High Contracting Parties reiterate the need to find a peaceful solution to the conflict, and stress that respect for and implementation of the Fourth Geneva Convention and international humanitarian law in general is essential to achieve a just and lasting peace."
A/69/711-S/2015/1 of 9 January 2015
Yikes
Although I did enjoy you shooting yourself in the foot again.
I wonder if you bother reading what you cut and paste. Or if you just hope no one else does.
Quote
3. The participating High Contracting Parties reiterate the need to fully respect the fundamental principles of international humanitarian law, according to which all parties to the conflict, and as such also non-State actors, must respect, at all times, inter alia, (1) the obligation to distinguish between civilians and combatants and between civilian objects and military objectives; (2) the principle of proportionality; and (3) the obligation to take all feasible precautions to protect civilians and civilian objects. In addition, the participating High Contracting Parties emphasize that no violation of international humanitarian law by any party to a conflict can relieve the other party from its own obligations under international humanitarian law.
End Quote
Looks to me by your own admission Israel is obligated to distinguish between civilians and combatants.
Exactly as I've been saying all along.
One is a protected person, the other is not.
The UN also spells out in its own operating guidelines, processes by which combatants are segregated from refugees. But that might be a little complex for you Monty
The Geneva Conventions specifically outlines two very different permissible treatments for persons considered protected ( either refugees or civilians ) and those considered combatants.
The more you are shown to be a fool, the more you cut and paste. However, it is clear who the High Contracting Parties determined were the protected persons in the 2014 declaration. They were the people of Gaza. Talk about shooting oneself in the foot. LOL
Just read your cut and paste again and cant see any implied or direct reference to gaza being the protected persons. I do see the high contracting parties demanding that hamas stop all war crimes and cease firing rockets at children from civilian areas
Sometimes when people get older Phoenall they start getting a little confused, if you know what I mean. Monty seems like he's, older, ( wink )
The guy consistently posts cut and paste that directly refutes his own claims. Not sure he reads what he's linking to and if he does. Well, he's having trouble with the hasbara
The basics are extremely simple. Israel has an obligation to distinguish between combatants and civilians. The combatants can ( actually must ) be repatriated, regardless of if they are stateless. The Conventions do not require Israel to determine their final destination only that they be delivered to the place of debarkation in good condition.
Do you have any idea how ridiculous your assertions are? You don't seem to understand that the Fourth Geneva Convention. Nor do you have any clue that the High Contracting Parties as recently as December of 2014 produced a 10 point addendum that specifically relegate your assertions to the nonsense they represent.
"Declaration of 17 December 2014 adopted by the Conference of High Contracting Parties to the Fourth Geneva Convention
1. This Declaration reflects the common understanding reached by the participating High Contracting Parties to the Conference of High Contracting Parties to the Fourth Geneva Convention on 17 December 2014, mindful of the recommendation by the United Nations General Assembly in resolution 64/10 of 1 December 2009.
2. The participating High Contracting Parties reaffirm the statement of the Conference of High Contracting Parties to the Fourth Geneva Convention of 15 July 1999 and the Declaration of 5 December 2001.
3. The participating High Contracting Parties reiterate the need to fully respect the fundamental principles of international humanitarian law, according to which all parties to the conflict, and as such also non-State actors, must respect, at all times, inter alia, (1) the obligation to distinguish between civilians and combatants and between civilian objects and military objectives; (2) the principle of proportionality; and (3) the obligation to take all feasible precautions to protect civilians and civilian objects. In addition, the participating High Contracting Parties emphasize that no violation of international humanitarian law by any party to a conflict can relieve the other party from its own obligations under international humanitarian law.
4. The participating High Contracting Parties emphasize the continued applicability and relevance of the Fourth Geneva Convention, which all High Contracting Parties have undertaken to respect and to ensure respect for in all circumstances. As such, they call on the occupying Power to fully and effectively respect the Fourth Geneva Convention in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem. They also remind the occupying Power of its obligation to administer the Occupied Palestinian Territory in a way which fully takes into account the needs of the civilian population while safeguarding its own security, and notably preserve its demographic characteristics.
5. The participating High Contracting Parties recall the primary obligation of the occupying Power to ensure adequate supplies of the population of the occupied territory and that whenever it is not in a position to do so, it is under the obligation to allow and facilitate relief schemes. In that case, they further recall that all High Contracting Parties shall permit the free passage of humanitarian relief and shall guarantee its protection. In this regard, the participating High Contracting Parties reiterate their support to the activities of the International Committee of the Red Cross, within its particular role conferred upon it by the Geneva Conventions, of the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East, and of other impartial humanitarian organizations, to assess and alleviate the humanitarian situation in the field. Beyond, all parties to the conflict, and as such also non-State actors, should make all possible efforts to allow and facilitate rapid and unimpeded passage of humanitarian relief for the population of the occupied territory.
6. The participating High Contracting Parties emphasize that all serious violations of international humanitarian law must be investigated and that all those responsible should be brought to justice.
7. The participating High Contracting Parties express their deep concern about recurring violations of international humanitarian law by all parties to the conflict, and as such also by non-State actors, including in the context of military operations and attacks directed against and emanating from the Occupied Palestinian Territory since the Conference of High Contracting Parties on 5 December 2001 and the resulting great suffering of the civilian population. They are particularly concerned about the number of victims among the civilian population in densely populated areas.
8. The participating High Contracting Parties express their deep concern about the impact of the continued occupation of the Occupied Palestinian Territory. They recall that, according to the advisory opinion of the International Court of Justice of 9 July 2004, the construction of the wall in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including in and around East Jerusalem, at least insofar as it deviates from the Green Line, and its associated regime, are contrary to international humanitarian law. They equally express their deep concern, from an international humanitarian law standpoint, about certain measures taken by the occupying Power in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including the closure of the Gaza Strip. They reaffirm the illegality of the settlements in the said territory and of the expansion thereof and of related unlawful seizure of property as well as of the transfer of prisoners into the territory of the occupying Power.
9. With regard to the conduct of hostilities, the participating High Contracting Parties underscore that the following acts are, among others, prohibited by international humanitarian law for all parties to the conflict, and as such also for non-State actors: (1) indiscriminate attacks of any kind, including attacks which are not directed at specific military objectives, and the employment of a method or means of combat which cannot be directed at a specific military objective or whose effects do not meet the requirements of the principles mentioned in paragraph 3 of this Declaration; (2) disproportionate attacks of any kind, including excessive destruction of civilian infrastructure; (3) destruction of property, carried out inconsistently with the principles mentioned in paragraph 3 of this Declaration; (4) attacks against protected persons and objects, including medical buildings, material, transports, units and personnel, as well as humanitarian personnel and objects, unless and for such time as they have lost their protection against direct attack; (5) attacks against civilian objects, including schools, unless and for such time as they are military objectives; (6) the location of military objectives in the vicinity of civilians and civilian objects, when it would be avoidable and (7) the use of civilians as human shields.
10. The participating High Contracting Parties reiterate the need to find a peaceful solution to the conflict, and stress that respect for and implementation of the Fourth Geneva Convention and international humanitarian law in general is essential to achieve a just and lasting peace."
A/69/711-S/2015/1 of 9 January 2015
Yikes
Although I did enjoy you shooting yourself in the foot again.
I wonder if you bother reading what you cut and paste. Or if you just hope no one else does.
Quote
3. The participating High Contracting Parties reiterate the need to fully respect the fundamental principles of international humanitarian law, according to which all parties to the conflict, and as such also non-State actors, must respect, at all times, inter alia, (1) the obligation to distinguish between civilians and combatants and between civilian objects and military objectives; (2) the principle of proportionality; and (3) the obligation to take all feasible precautions to protect civilians and civilian objects. In addition, the participating High Contracting Parties emphasize that no violation of international humanitarian law by any party to a conflict can relieve the other party from its own obligations under international humanitarian law.
End Quote
Looks to me by your own admission Israel is obligated to distinguish between civilians and combatants.
Exactly as I've been saying all along.
One is a protected person, the other is not.
The UN also spells out in its own operating guidelines, processes by which combatants are segregated from refugees. But that might be a little complex for you Monty
The Geneva Conventions specifically outlines two very different permissible treatments for persons considered protected ( either refugees or civilians ) and those considered combatants.
The more you are shown to be a fool, the more you cut and paste. However, it is clear who the High Contracting Parties determined were the protected persons in the 2014 declaration. They were the people of Gaza. Talk about shooting oneself in the foot. LOL
Just read your cut and paste again and cant see any implied or direct reference to gaza being the protected persons. I do see the high contracting parties demanding that hamas stop all war crimes and cease firing rockets at children from civilian areas
Sometimes when people get older Phoenall they start getting a little confused, if you know what I mean. Monty seems like he's, older, ( wink )
The guy consistently posts cut and paste that directly refutes his own claims. Not sure he reads what he's linking to and if he does. Well, he's having trouble with the hasbara
The basics are extremely simple. Israel has an obligation to distinguish between combatants and civilians. The combatants can ( actually must ) be repatriated, regardless of if they are stateless. The Conventions do not require Israel to determine their final destination only that they be delivered to the place of debarkation in good condition.
Its an islamonazi propagandist trait, they are commanded to post such and such without any thought for the consequences. Then they are left out to dry by their imams to see if they can move one seat closer to the bucket in the boiler room.
(COMMENT)Did Palestine sign this document, because if they did they should be dragged before the Hague for their breaches of it before the ink was dry.Do you have any idea how ridiculous your assertions are? You don't seem to understand that the Fourth Geneva Convention. Nor do you have any clue that the High Contracting Parties as recently as December of 2014 produced a 10 point addendum that specifically relegate your assertions to the nonsense they represent.
"Declaration of 17 December 2014 adopted by the Conference of High Contracting Parties to the Fourth Geneva Convention
1. This Declaration reflects the common understanding reached by the participating High Contracting Parties to the Conference of High Contracting Parties to the Fourth Geneva Convention on 17 December 2014, mindful of the recommendation by the United Nations General Assembly in resolution 64/10 of 1 December 2009.
2. The participating High Contracting Parties reaffirm the statement of the Conference of High Contracting Parties to the Fourth Geneva Convention of 15 July 1999 and the Declaration of 5 December 2001.
3. The participating High Contracting Parties reiterate the need to fully respect the fundamental principles of international humanitarian law, according to which all parties to the conflict, and as such also non-State actors, must respect, at all times, inter alia, (1) the obligation to distinguish between civilians and combatants and between civilian objects and military objectives; (2) the principle of proportionality; and (3) the obligation to take all feasible precautions to protect civilians and civilian objects. In addition, the participating High Contracting Parties emphasize that no violation of international humanitarian law by any party to a conflict can relieve the other party from its own obligations under international humanitarian law.
4. The participating High Contracting Parties emphasize the continued applicability and relevance of the Fourth Geneva Convention, which all High Contracting Parties have undertaken to respect and to ensure respect for in all circumstances. As such, they call on the occupying Power to fully and effectively respect the Fourth Geneva Convention in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem. They also remind the occupying Power of its obligation to administer the Occupied Palestinian Territory in a way which fully takes into account the needs of the civilian population while safeguarding its own security, and notably preserve its demographic characteristics.
5. The participating High Contracting Parties recall the primary obligation of the occupying Power to ensure adequate supplies of the population of the occupied territory and that whenever it is not in a position to do so, it is under the obligation to allow and facilitate relief schemes. In that case, they further recall that all High Contracting Parties shall permit the free passage of humanitarian relief and shall guarantee its protection. In this regard, the participating High Contracting Parties reiterate their support to the activities of the International Committee of the Red Cross, within its particular role conferred upon it by the Geneva Conventions, of the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East, and of other impartial humanitarian organizations, to assess and alleviate the humanitarian situation in the field. Beyond, all parties to the conflict, and as such also non-State actors, should make all possible efforts to allow and facilitate rapid and unimpeded passage of humanitarian relief for the population of the occupied territory.
6. The participating High Contracting Parties emphasize that all serious violations of international humanitarian law must be investigated and that all those responsible should be brought to justice.
7. The participating High Contracting Parties express their deep concern about recurring violations of international humanitarian law by all parties to the conflict, and as such also by non-State actors, including in the context of military operations and attacks directed against and emanating from the Occupied Palestinian Territory since the Conference of High Contracting Parties on 5 December 2001 and the resulting great suffering of the civilian population. They are particularly concerned about the number of victims among the civilian population in densely populated areas.
8. The participating High Contracting Parties express their deep concern about the impact of the continued occupation of the Occupied Palestinian Territory. They recall that, according to the advisory opinion of the International Court of Justice of 9 July 2004, the construction of the wall in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including in and around East Jerusalem, at least insofar as it deviates from the Green Line, and its associated regime, are contrary to international humanitarian law. They equally express their deep concern, from an international humanitarian law standpoint, about certain measures taken by the occupying Power in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including the closure of the Gaza Strip. They reaffirm the illegality of the settlements in the said territory and of the expansion thereof and of related unlawful seizure of property as well as of the transfer of prisoners into the territory of the occupying Power.
9. With regard to the conduct of hostilities, the participating High Contracting Parties underscore that the following acts are, among others, prohibited by international humanitarian law for all parties to the conflict, and as such also for non-State actors: (1) indiscriminate attacks of any kind, including attacks which are not directed at specific military objectives, and the employment of a method or means of combat which cannot be directed at a specific military objective or whose effects do not meet the requirements of the principles mentioned in paragraph 3 of this Declaration; (2) disproportionate attacks of any kind, including excessive destruction of civilian infrastructure; (3) destruction of property, carried out inconsistently with the principles mentioned in paragraph 3 of this Declaration; (4) attacks against protected persons and objects, including medical buildings, material, transports, units and personnel, as well as humanitarian personnel and objects, unless and for such time as they have lost their protection against direct attack; (5) attacks against civilian objects, including schools, unless and for such time as they are military objectives; (6) the location of military objectives in the vicinity of civilians and civilian objects, when it would be avoidable and (7) the use of civilians as human shields.
10. The participating High Contracting Parties reiterate the need to find a peaceful solution to the conflict, and stress that respect for and implementation of the Fourth Geneva Convention and international humanitarian law in general is essential to achieve a just and lasting peace."
A/69/711-S/2015/1 of 9 January 2015
Read article 9 that sums it up very clearly, and was aimed directly at the palestinians
I liked your post until you got to Israel's propaganda talking points on the end.Phoenall, MONTELATICI, et al,
Well, it is not really law. It was a conference in the existing law. It is not a document that is enforceable. It is merely an official statement that reflects a "common understanding reached by the participating High Contracting Parties to the Conference."
Neither are the previous Conference of High Contracting Parties to the Fourth Geneva Convention of 15 July 1999 and the Declaration of 5 December 2001.
I'm not sure what MONTELATICI's purpose was in posting this lame conference, but it has no real application beyond what has been already elaborated through the misfeasance and malfeasance the UN Humanitarian and Human Rights --- and the international courts.
(COMMENT)Did Palestine sign this document, because if they did they should be dragged before the Hague for their breaches of it before the ink was dry.Do you have any idea how ridiculous your assertions are? You don't seem to understand that the Fourth Geneva Convention. Nor do you have any clue that the High Contracting Parties as recently as December of 2014 produced a 10 point addendum that specifically relegate your assertions to the nonsense they represent.
"Declaration of 17 December 2014 adopted by the Conference of High Contracting Parties to the Fourth Geneva Convention
1. This Declaration reflects the common understanding reached by the participating High Contracting Parties to the Conference of High Contracting Parties to the Fourth Geneva Convention on 17 December 2014, mindful of the recommendation by the United Nations General Assembly in resolution 64/10 of 1 December 2009.
2. The participating High Contracting Parties reaffirm the statement of the Conference of High Contracting Parties to the Fourth Geneva Convention of 15 July 1999 and the Declaration of 5 December 2001.
3. The participating High Contracting Parties reiterate the need to fully respect the fundamental principles of international humanitarian law, according to which all parties to the conflict, and as such also non-State actors, must respect, at all times, inter alia, (1) the obligation to distinguish between civilians and combatants and between civilian objects and military objectives; (2) the principle of proportionality; and (3) the obligation to take all feasible precautions to protect civilians and civilian objects. In addition, the participating High Contracting Parties emphasize that no violation of international humanitarian law by any party to a conflict can relieve the other party from its own obligations under international humanitarian law.
4. The participating High Contracting Parties emphasize the continued applicability and relevance of the Fourth Geneva Convention, which all High Contracting Parties have undertaken to respect and to ensure respect for in all circumstances. As such, they call on the occupying Power to fully and effectively respect the Fourth Geneva Convention in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem. They also remind the occupying Power of its obligation to administer the Occupied Palestinian Territory in a way which fully takes into account the needs of the civilian population while safeguarding its own security, and notably preserve its demographic characteristics.
5. The participating High Contracting Parties recall the primary obligation of the occupying Power to ensure adequate supplies of the population of the occupied territory and that whenever it is not in a position to do so, it is under the obligation to allow and facilitate relief schemes. In that case, they further recall that all High Contracting Parties shall permit the free passage of humanitarian relief and shall guarantee its protection. In this regard, the participating High Contracting Parties reiterate their support to the activities of the International Committee of the Red Cross, within its particular role conferred upon it by the Geneva Conventions, of the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East, and of other impartial humanitarian organizations, to assess and alleviate the humanitarian situation in the field. Beyond, all parties to the conflict, and as such also non-State actors, should make all possible efforts to allow and facilitate rapid and unimpeded passage of humanitarian relief for the population of the occupied territory.
6. The participating High Contracting Parties emphasize that all serious violations of international humanitarian law must be investigated and that all those responsible should be brought to justice.
7. The participating High Contracting Parties express their deep concern about recurring violations of international humanitarian law by all parties to the conflict, and as such also by non-State actors, including in the context of military operations and attacks directed against and emanating from the Occupied Palestinian Territory since the Conference of High Contracting Parties on 5 December 2001 and the resulting great suffering of the civilian population. They are particularly concerned about the number of victims among the civilian population in densely populated areas.
8. The participating High Contracting Parties express their deep concern about the impact of the continued occupation of the Occupied Palestinian Territory. They recall that, according to the advisory opinion of the International Court of Justice of 9 July 2004, the construction of the wall in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including in and around East Jerusalem, at least insofar as it deviates from the Green Line, and its associated regime, are contrary to international humanitarian law. They equally express their deep concern, from an international humanitarian law standpoint, about certain measures taken by the occupying Power in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including the closure of the Gaza Strip. They reaffirm the illegality of the settlements in the said territory and of the expansion thereof and of related unlawful seizure of property as well as of the transfer of prisoners into the territory of the occupying Power.
9. With regard to the conduct of hostilities, the participating High Contracting Parties underscore that the following acts are, among others, prohibited by international humanitarian law for all parties to the conflict, and as such also for non-State actors: (1) indiscriminate attacks of any kind, including attacks which are not directed at specific military objectives, and the employment of a method or means of combat which cannot be directed at a specific military objective or whose effects do not meet the requirements of the principles mentioned in paragraph 3 of this Declaration; (2) disproportionate attacks of any kind, including excessive destruction of civilian infrastructure; (3) destruction of property, carried out inconsistently with the principles mentioned in paragraph 3 of this Declaration; (4) attacks against protected persons and objects, including medical buildings, material, transports, units and personnel, as well as humanitarian personnel and objects, unless and for such time as they have lost their protection against direct attack; (5) attacks against civilian objects, including schools, unless and for such time as they are military objectives; (6) the location of military objectives in the vicinity of civilians and civilian objects, when it would be avoidable and (7) the use of civilians as human shields.
10. The participating High Contracting Parties reiterate the need to find a peaceful solution to the conflict, and stress that respect for and implementation of the Fourth Geneva Convention and international humanitarian law in general is essential to achieve a just and lasting peace."
A/69/711-S/2015/1 of 9 January 2015
Read article 9 that sums it up very clearly, and was aimed directly at the palestinians
• It reiterate the need to fully respect the fundamental principles of international humanitarian law.It actually doesn't say anything new. Every item on the list is just as applicable to the reported discrepancies committed by the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP), as it might be to the Israelis.
• It emphasize the continued applicability and relevance of the Fourth Geneva Convention.
(1) the obligation to distinguish between civilians and combatants and between civilian objects and military objectives,
(2) the principle of proportionality, and
(3) the obligation to take all feasible precautions to protect civilians and civilian objects.
• It recall the primary obligation of the Occupying Power to ensure adequate supplies to the population of the occupied territory.
• It emphasize that all serious violations of international humanitarian law must be investigated.
• It expresses a deep concern about recurring violations of international humanitarian law by all parties to the conflict.
• It express their deep concern about the impact of the continued occupation of the occupied Palestinian territory (oPt); and the partition using a security barrier that goes beyond the Green Line.
• It recalls the prohibited acts in the international humanitarian law for all parties to the conflict.
• It reiterate the need to find a peaceful solution to the conflict, and stress that respect for and implementation of the Fourth Geneva Convention.
It should be noted that the HoAP have ignored the "implementation" of the Geneva Convention. They routinely re-open hostilities and use indiscriminate fire on civilian targets. They routinely target civilian buses, school children, the aging and infirm, --- kidnap and murder civilians. The HoAP routine use the density of their civilian population to establish firing and launch positions. The absolutely refuse to Locate HoAP Military Objectives outside Densely Populated Areas and refuse to Removal of Civilians and Civilian Objects from the Vicinity of Military Objectives; instead using those position to shield legitimate targets and use casualties incurred in counter-fires and military combat advances as media events. All the IDF operations engaged and suppressed with such force as was necessary to silence HoAP operations and achieve the destruction of concrete military target to achieve the advantage.
1. There is no HoAP distinction between combatants and non-combatants. The attack non-combatants at will and openly stress that they have every right to do so.
2. There is no lack of supplies in the occupied Palestinian territories (oPt). In fact there are so many supplies, satisfactory and acceptable in quality or quantity, that the construction of underground tunnels has begun.
3. There are routinely IDF/Ministry of Justice investigation performed on all accusation of "serious violations."
4. The concern for the Security Barrier is negated by the Peace Treaties with Egypt and Jordan which replace the Armistice Agreements that establish the Armistice Lines.
Most Respectfully,
R
Phoenall, MONTELATICI, et al,
Well, it is not really law. It was a conference in the existing law. It is not a document that is enforceable. It is merely an official statement that reflects a "common understanding reached by the participating High Contracting Parties to the Conference."
Neither are the previous Conference of High Contracting Parties to the Fourth Geneva Convention of 15 July 1999 and the Declaration of 5 December 2001.
I'm not sure what MONTELATICI's purpose was in posting this lame conference, but it has no real application beyond what has been already elaborated through the misfeasance and malfeasance the UN Humanitarian and Human Rights --- and the international courts.
(COMMENT)Did Palestine sign this document, because if they did they should be dragged before the Hague for their breaches of it before the ink was dry.Do you have any idea how ridiculous your assertions are? You don't seem to understand that the Fourth Geneva Convention. Nor do you have any clue that the High Contracting Parties as recently as December of 2014 produced a 10 point addendum that specifically relegate your assertions to the nonsense they represent.
"Declaration of 17 December 2014 adopted by the Conference of High Contracting Parties to the Fourth Geneva Convention
1. This Declaration reflects the common understanding reached by the participating High Contracting Parties to the Conference of High Contracting Parties to the Fourth Geneva Convention on 17 December 2014, mindful of the recommendation by the United Nations General Assembly in resolution 64/10 of 1 December 2009.
2. The participating High Contracting Parties reaffirm the statement of the Conference of High Contracting Parties to the Fourth Geneva Convention of 15 July 1999 and the Declaration of 5 December 2001.
3. The participating High Contracting Parties reiterate the need to fully respect the fundamental principles of international humanitarian law, according to which all parties to the conflict, and as such also non-State actors, must respect, at all times, inter alia, (1) the obligation to distinguish between civilians and combatants and between civilian objects and military objectives; (2) the principle of proportionality; and (3) the obligation to take all feasible precautions to protect civilians and civilian objects. In addition, the participating High Contracting Parties emphasize that no violation of international humanitarian law by any party to a conflict can relieve the other party from its own obligations under international humanitarian law.
4. The participating High Contracting Parties emphasize the continued applicability and relevance of the Fourth Geneva Convention, which all High Contracting Parties have undertaken to respect and to ensure respect for in all circumstances. As such, they call on the occupying Power to fully and effectively respect the Fourth Geneva Convention in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem. They also remind the occupying Power of its obligation to administer the Occupied Palestinian Territory in a way which fully takes into account the needs of the civilian population while safeguarding its own security, and notably preserve its demographic characteristics.
5. The participating High Contracting Parties recall the primary obligation of the occupying Power to ensure adequate supplies of the population of the occupied territory and that whenever it is not in a position to do so, it is under the obligation to allow and facilitate relief schemes. In that case, they further recall that all High Contracting Parties shall permit the free passage of humanitarian relief and shall guarantee its protection. In this regard, the participating High Contracting Parties reiterate their support to the activities of the International Committee of the Red Cross, within its particular role conferred upon it by the Geneva Conventions, of the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East, and of other impartial humanitarian organizations, to assess and alleviate the humanitarian situation in the field. Beyond, all parties to the conflict, and as such also non-State actors, should make all possible efforts to allow and facilitate rapid and unimpeded passage of humanitarian relief for the population of the occupied territory.
6. The participating High Contracting Parties emphasize that all serious violations of international humanitarian law must be investigated and that all those responsible should be brought to justice.
7. The participating High Contracting Parties express their deep concern about recurring violations of international humanitarian law by all parties to the conflict, and as such also by non-State actors, including in the context of military operations and attacks directed against and emanating from the Occupied Palestinian Territory since the Conference of High Contracting Parties on 5 December 2001 and the resulting great suffering of the civilian population. They are particularly concerned about the number of victims among the civilian population in densely populated areas.
8. The participating High Contracting Parties express their deep concern about the impact of the continued occupation of the Occupied Palestinian Territory. They recall that, according to the advisory opinion of the International Court of Justice of 9 July 2004, the construction of the wall in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including in and around East Jerusalem, at least insofar as it deviates from the Green Line, and its associated regime, are contrary to international humanitarian law. They equally express their deep concern, from an international humanitarian law standpoint, about certain measures taken by the occupying Power in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including the closure of the Gaza Strip. They reaffirm the illegality of the settlements in the said territory and of the expansion thereof and of related unlawful seizure of property as well as of the transfer of prisoners into the territory of the occupying Power.
9. With regard to the conduct of hostilities, the participating High Contracting Parties underscore that the following acts are, among others, prohibited by international humanitarian law for all parties to the conflict, and as such also for non-State actors: (1) indiscriminate attacks of any kind, including attacks which are not directed at specific military objectives, and the employment of a method or means of combat which cannot be directed at a specific military objective or whose effects do not meet the requirements of the principles mentioned in paragraph 3 of this Declaration; (2) disproportionate attacks of any kind, including excessive destruction of civilian infrastructure; (3) destruction of property, carried out inconsistently with the principles mentioned in paragraph 3 of this Declaration; (4) attacks against protected persons and objects, including medical buildings, material, transports, units and personnel, as well as humanitarian personnel and objects, unless and for such time as they have lost their protection against direct attack; (5) attacks against civilian objects, including schools, unless and for such time as they are military objectives; (6) the location of military objectives in the vicinity of civilians and civilian objects, when it would be avoidable and (7) the use of civilians as human shields.
10. The participating High Contracting Parties reiterate the need to find a peaceful solution to the conflict, and stress that respect for and implementation of the Fourth Geneva Convention and international humanitarian law in general is essential to achieve a just and lasting peace."
A/69/711-S/2015/1 of 9 January 2015
Read article 9 that sums it up very clearly, and was aimed directly at the palestinians
• It reiterate the need to fully respect the fundamental principles of international humanitarian law.It actually doesn't say anything new. Every item on the list is just as applicable to the reported discrepancies committed by the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP), as it might be to the Israelis.
• It emphasize the continued applicability and relevance of the Fourth Geneva Convention.
(1) the obligation to distinguish between civilians and combatants and between civilian objects and military objectives,
(2) the principle of proportionality, and
(3) the obligation to take all feasible precautions to protect civilians and civilian objects.
• It recall the primary obligation of the Occupying Power to ensure adequate supplies to the population of the occupied territory.
• It emphasize that all serious violations of international humanitarian law must be investigated.
• It expresses a deep concern about recurring violations of international humanitarian law by all parties to the conflict.
• It express their deep concern about the impact of the continued occupation of the occupied Palestinian territory (oPt); and the partition using a security barrier that goes beyond the Green Line.
• It recalls the prohibited acts in the international humanitarian law for all parties to the conflict.
• It reiterate the need to find a peaceful solution to the conflict, and stress that respect for and implementation of the Fourth Geneva Convention.
It should be noted that the HoAP have ignored the "implementation" of the Geneva Convention. They routinely re-open hostilities and use indiscriminate fire on civilian targets. They routinely target civilian buses, school children, the aging and infirm, --- kidnap and murder civilians. The HoAP routine use the density of their civilian population to establish firing and launch positions. The absolutely refuse to Locate HoAP Military Objectives outside Densely Populated Areas and refuse to Removal of Civilians and Civilian Objects from the Vicinity of Military Objectives; instead using those position to shield legitimate targets and use casualties incurred in counter-fires and military combat advances as media events. All the IDF operations engaged and suppressed with such force as was necessary to silence HoAP operations and achieve the destruction of concrete military target to achieve the advantage.
1. There is no HoAP distinction between combatants and non-combatants. The attack non-combatants at will and openly stress that they have every right to do so.
2. There is no lack of supplies in the occupied Palestinian territories (oPt). In fact there are so many supplies, satisfactory and acceptable in quality or quantity, that the construction of underground tunnels has begun.
3. There are routinely IDF/Ministry of Justice investigation performed on all accusation of "serious violations."
4. The concern for the Security Barrier is negated by the Peace Treaties with Egypt and Jordan which replace the Armistice Agreements that establish the Armistice Lines.
Most Respectfully,
R
(QUESTIONS)I liked your post until you got to Israel's propaganda talking points on the end.stress that respect for and implementation of the Fourth Geneva Convention and international humanitarian law in general is essential to achieve a just and lasting peace."
1. There is no HoAP distinction between combatants and non-combatants. The attack non-combatants at will and openly stress that they have every right to do so.R
2. There is no lack of supplies in the occupied Palestinian territories (oPt). In fact there are so many supplies, satisfactory and acceptable in quality or quantity, that the construction of underground tunnels has begun.
3. There are routinely IDF/Ministry of Justice investigation performed on all accusation of "serious violations."
4. The concern for the Security Barrier is negated by the Peace Treaties with Egypt and Jordan which replace the Armistice Agreements that establish the Armistice Lines.
(COMMENT)Notice how the statement that reiterates that Israel is the "Occupying Power" is overlooked.
(POINT of CLARIFICATION)No, I am saying that Israel is the occupying power. Something your buddy denies. Maybe you can explain to your buddy that while combatants of the occupied territory may be held as POWs if not killed and captured, by definition, they can't be "repatriated" anywhere outside of their "patria" as we say in Latin.
Who are the HoAP? Are those the people who are opposed to the occupation and colonization of their country?P F Tinmore, et al,
Hummm, interesting.
(QUESTIONS)I liked your post until you got to Israel's propaganda talking points on the end.stress that respect for and implementation of the Fourth Geneva Convention and international humanitarian law in general is essential to achieve a just and lasting peace."
1. There is no HoAP distinction between combatants and non-combatants. The attack non-combatants at will and openly stress that they have every right to do so.R
2. There is no lack of supplies in the occupied Palestinian territories (oPt). In fact there are so many supplies, satisfactory and acceptable in quality or quantity, that the construction of underground tunnels has begun.
3. There are routinely IDF/Ministry of Justice investigation performed on all accusation of "serious violations."
4. The concern for the Security Barrier is negated by the Peace Treaties with Egypt and Jordan which replace the Armistice Agreements that establish the Armistice Lines.
Exactly what is it you are saying that you disagree with?????
• Are you suggesting that the 2015 Convention Statement had no applicability to the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP)?
• Are you saying that the HoAP has a policy of a "peaceful solution" in resolving the conflict? --- That the HoAP has some special authority to attack Israeli civilian targets?
• Are you suggesting that the HoAP never intentionally loose indiscriminate fires or directly attack civilians?
• Are you suggesting that the HoAP have investigated and released reports on Geneva Convention Violations they are accused of?
• Are you suggestion that the IDF/Ministry of Justice do not make the investigations?
• Are you suggesting that there is now or have ever been an Armistice Agreement with the Palestinians that established an Armistice Line?
• Are you suggesting that the Egyptian and Jordanian Armistice Agreements are wrong when they indicate that the Armistice shall remain in force until a peaceful settlement (as in Peace Treaty) between the Parties is achieved?
• Are you suggesting that the Palestinians were a party to the conflict?
I'm confused!!!
Most Respectfully,
R
montelatici, et al,
I think you are unnecessarily confusing people with your non-standard description. I think I get it now. Let's see. You are three-quarters correct.
(POINT of CLARIFICATION)No, I am saying that Israel is the occupying power. Something your buddy denies. Maybe you can explain to your buddy that while combatants of the occupied territory may be held as POWs if not killed and captured, by definition, they can't be "repatriated" anywhere outside of their "patria" as we say in Latin.
You deport people either to their last known country of residence, or their country of origin (in most cases they are one and the same, but not always).
You cannot deport people from their home country (to which they are a lawful citizen). That would technically be a "banishment, (exile or expulsion)." While there was such a thing as "banishment" and "exiles" at the turn of the 19th-to-20th Century, it is now considered the creation of a "Stateless Person."
The term "stateless person" means a person who is not considered as a national by any State under as a national operation of its law. Chapter 1, Article 1(1), The Convention related to the Status of Stateless Persons
(COMMENT)
Article 5 People are individual "protected persons" that are "definitely suspected of or engaged in activities hostile to the security of the State" --- but are being prosecuted under Article 68. Notice the similarity in the language used in Articles 5 and 68. Generally speaking, you cannot deport Article 5 People (and HoAP/Palestinian Belligerents) without a serious diplomatic effort. No other country is required to take them (hence a "stateless person"). They are normally prosecuted under the law of the occupied territory in force before the occupation began. For the purposes of the West Bank that would be the Israeli Law as of 1 August 1988; when the Hashemite Kingdom abandon the occupied Palestinian territory (oPt).
Now there are certain conditions, under which the individual in question cannot be readily classified. In such cases, a special tribunal must be convened by the Occupation Power to make a determination. Until such time that a determination is made, they should be confined as a Prisoner of War (POW) (Article 3) with the same protections. In some cases, these special prisoners may be segregated from the General Population of other POWs.
Normally Jihadists and Fedayeen, engaged in hostile or belligerent activities intended to harm the Occupying Power, or non-combatants as set forth in Article 43(2) of Additional Protocol I are treated as Article 5, under the provision of Article 68 (Penalties and Punishment) in connection with stipulations outlined in S/RES/1373 (2001) UNSC Resolution, all General Assembly resolutions on measures to eliminate international terrorism, including resolution 46/51 of 9 December 1991, and Security Council resolutions on threats to international peace and security caused by terrorist acts, as well as relevant resolutions of the General Assembly on the protection of human rights and fundamental freedoms while countering terrorism.
Most HoAP that have followed the Solemn Oath sent to the UN in February 1948, and those that allegiance to the Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) for Jihad, or follow the 2012 Policy articulated by HAMAS are unambiguous Article 5 People.
Most Respectfully,
R
I liked your post until you got to Israel's propaganda talking points on the end.Phoenall, MONTELATICI, et al,
Well, it is not really law. It was a conference in the existing law. It is not a document that is enforceable. It is merely an official statement that reflects a "common understanding reached by the participating High Contracting Parties to the Conference."
Neither are the previous Conference of High Contracting Parties to the Fourth Geneva Convention of 15 July 1999 and the Declaration of 5 December 2001.
I'm not sure what MONTELATICI's purpose was in posting this lame conference, but it has no real application beyond what has been already elaborated through the misfeasance and malfeasance the UN Humanitarian and Human Rights --- and the international courts.
(COMMENT)Did Palestine sign this document, because if they did they should be dragged before the Hague for their breaches of it before the ink was dry.Do you have any idea how ridiculous your assertions are? You don't seem to understand that the Fourth Geneva Convention. Nor do you have any clue that the High Contracting Parties as recently as December of 2014 produced a 10 point addendum that specifically relegate your assertions to the nonsense they represent.
"Declaration of 17 December 2014 adopted by the Conference of High Contracting Parties to the Fourth Geneva Convention
1. This Declaration reflects the common understanding reached by the participating High Contracting Parties to the Conference of High Contracting Parties to the Fourth Geneva Convention on 17 December 2014, mindful of the recommendation by the United Nations General Assembly in resolution 64/10 of 1 December 2009.
2. The participating High Contracting Parties reaffirm the statement of the Conference of High Contracting Parties to the Fourth Geneva Convention of 15 July 1999 and the Declaration of 5 December 2001.
3. The participating High Contracting Parties reiterate the need to fully respect the fundamental principles of international humanitarian law, according to which all parties to the conflict, and as such also non-State actors, must respect, at all times, inter alia, (1) the obligation to distinguish between civilians and combatants and between civilian objects and military objectives; (2) the principle of proportionality; and (3) the obligation to take all feasible precautions to protect civilians and civilian objects. In addition, the participating High Contracting Parties emphasize that no violation of international humanitarian law by any party to a conflict can relieve the other party from its own obligations under international humanitarian law.
4. The participating High Contracting Parties emphasize the continued applicability and relevance of the Fourth Geneva Convention, which all High Contracting Parties have undertaken to respect and to ensure respect for in all circumstances. As such, they call on the occupying Power to fully and effectively respect the Fourth Geneva Convention in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem. They also remind the occupying Power of its obligation to administer the Occupied Palestinian Territory in a way which fully takes into account the needs of the civilian population while safeguarding its own security, and notably preserve its demographic characteristics.
5. The participating High Contracting Parties recall the primary obligation of the occupying Power to ensure adequate supplies of the population of the occupied territory and that whenever it is not in a position to do so, it is under the obligation to allow and facilitate relief schemes. In that case, they further recall that all High Contracting Parties shall permit the free passage of humanitarian relief and shall guarantee its protection. In this regard, the participating High Contracting Parties reiterate their support to the activities of the International Committee of the Red Cross, within its particular role conferred upon it by the Geneva Conventions, of the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East, and of other impartial humanitarian organizations, to assess and alleviate the humanitarian situation in the field. Beyond, all parties to the conflict, and as such also non-State actors, should make all possible efforts to allow and facilitate rapid and unimpeded passage of humanitarian relief for the population of the occupied territory.
6. The participating High Contracting Parties emphasize that all serious violations of international humanitarian law must be investigated and that all those responsible should be brought to justice.
7. The participating High Contracting Parties express their deep concern about recurring violations of international humanitarian law by all parties to the conflict, and as such also by non-State actors, including in the context of military operations and attacks directed against and emanating from the Occupied Palestinian Territory since the Conference of High Contracting Parties on 5 December 2001 and the resulting great suffering of the civilian population. They are particularly concerned about the number of victims among the civilian population in densely populated areas.
8. The participating High Contracting Parties express their deep concern about the impact of the continued occupation of the Occupied Palestinian Territory. They recall that, according to the advisory opinion of the International Court of Justice of 9 July 2004, the construction of the wall in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including in and around East Jerusalem, at least insofar as it deviates from the Green Line, and its associated regime, are contrary to international humanitarian law. They equally express their deep concern, from an international humanitarian law standpoint, about certain measures taken by the occupying Power in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including the closure of the Gaza Strip. They reaffirm the illegality of the settlements in the said territory and of the expansion thereof and of related unlawful seizure of property as well as of the transfer of prisoners into the territory of the occupying Power.
9. With regard to the conduct of hostilities, the participating High Contracting Parties underscore that the following acts are, among others, prohibited by international humanitarian law for all parties to the conflict, and as such also for non-State actors: (1) indiscriminate attacks of any kind, including attacks which are not directed at specific military objectives, and the employment of a method or means of combat which cannot be directed at a specific military objective or whose effects do not meet the requirements of the principles mentioned in paragraph 3 of this Declaration; (2) disproportionate attacks of any kind, including excessive destruction of civilian infrastructure; (3) destruction of property, carried out inconsistently with the principles mentioned in paragraph 3 of this Declaration; (4) attacks against protected persons and objects, including medical buildings, material, transports, units and personnel, as well as humanitarian personnel and objects, unless and for such time as they have lost their protection against direct attack; (5) attacks against civilian objects, including schools, unless and for such time as they are military objectives; (6) the location of military objectives in the vicinity of civilians and civilian objects, when it would be avoidable and (7) the use of civilians as human shields.
10. The participating High Contracting Parties reiterate the need to find a peaceful solution to the conflict, and stress that respect for and implementation of the Fourth Geneva Convention and international humanitarian law in general is essential to achieve a just and lasting peace."
A/69/711-S/2015/1 of 9 January 2015
Read article 9 that sums it up very clearly, and was aimed directly at the palestinians
• It reiterate the need to fully respect the fundamental principles of international humanitarian law.It actually doesn't say anything new. Every item on the list is just as applicable to the reported discrepancies committed by the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP), as it might be to the Israelis.
• It emphasize the continued applicability and relevance of the Fourth Geneva Convention.
(1) the obligation to distinguish between civilians and combatants and between civilian objects and military objectives,
(2) the principle of proportionality, and
(3) the obligation to take all feasible precautions to protect civilians and civilian objects.
• It recall the primary obligation of the Occupying Power to ensure adequate supplies to the population of the occupied territory.
• It emphasize that all serious violations of international humanitarian law must be investigated.
• It expresses a deep concern about recurring violations of international humanitarian law by all parties to the conflict.
• It express their deep concern about the impact of the continued occupation of the occupied Palestinian territory (oPt); and the partition using a security barrier that goes beyond the Green Line.
• It recalls the prohibited acts in the international humanitarian law for all parties to the conflict.
• It reiterate the need to find a peaceful solution to the conflict, and stress that respect for and implementation of the Fourth Geneva Convention.
It should be noted that the HoAP have ignored the "implementation" of the Geneva Convention. They routinely re-open hostilities and use indiscriminate fire on civilian targets. They routinely target civilian buses, school children, the aging and infirm, --- kidnap and murder civilians. The HoAP routine use the density of their civilian population to establish firing and launch positions. The absolutely refuse to Locate HoAP Military Objectives outside Densely Populated Areas and refuse to Removal of Civilians and Civilian Objects from the Vicinity of Military Objectives; instead using those position to shield legitimate targets and use casualties incurred in counter-fires and military combat advances as media events. All the IDF operations engaged and suppressed with such force as was necessary to silence HoAP operations and achieve the destruction of concrete military target to achieve the advantage.
1. There is no HoAP distinction between combatants and non-combatants. The attack non-combatants at will and openly stress that they have every right to do so.
2. There is no lack of supplies in the occupied Palestinian territories (oPt). In fact there are so many supplies, satisfactory and acceptable in quality or quantity, that the construction of underground tunnels has begun.
3. There are routinely IDF/Ministry of Justice investigation performed on all accusation of "serious violations."
4. The concern for the Security Barrier is negated by the Peace Treaties with Egypt and Jordan which replace the Armistice Agreements that establish the Armistice Lines.
Most Respectfully,
R
Phoenall, MONTELATICI, et al,
Well, it is not really law. It was a conference in the existing law. It is not a document that is enforceable. It is merely an official statement that reflects a "common understanding reached by the participating High Contracting Parties to the Conference."
Neither are the previous Conference of High Contracting Parties to the Fourth Geneva Convention of 15 July 1999 and the Declaration of 5 December 2001.
I'm not sure what MONTELATICI's purpose was in posting this lame conference, but it has no real application beyond what has been already elaborated through the misfeasance and malfeasance the UN Humanitarian and Human Rights --- and the international courts.
(COMMENT)Did Palestine sign this document, because if they did they should be dragged before the Hague for their breaches of it before the ink was dry.Do you have any idea how ridiculous your assertions are? You don't seem to understand that the Fourth Geneva Convention. Nor do you have any clue that the High Contracting Parties as recently as December of 2014 produced a 10 point addendum that specifically relegate your assertions to the nonsense they represent.
"Declaration of 17 December 2014 adopted by the Conference of High Contracting Parties to the Fourth Geneva Convention
1. This Declaration reflects the common understanding reached by the participating High Contracting Parties to the Conference of High Contracting Parties to the Fourth Geneva Convention on 17 December 2014, mindful of the recommendation by the United Nations General Assembly in resolution 64/10 of 1 December 2009.
2. The participating High Contracting Parties reaffirm the statement of the Conference of High Contracting Parties to the Fourth Geneva Convention of 15 July 1999 and the Declaration of 5 December 2001.
3. The participating High Contracting Parties reiterate the need to fully respect the fundamental principles of international humanitarian law, according to which all parties to the conflict, and as such also non-State actors, must respect, at all times, inter alia, (1) the obligation to distinguish between civilians and combatants and between civilian objects and military objectives; (2) the principle of proportionality; and (3) the obligation to take all feasible precautions to protect civilians and civilian objects. In addition, the participating High Contracting Parties emphasize that no violation of international humanitarian law by any party to a conflict can relieve the other party from its own obligations under international humanitarian law.
4. The participating High Contracting Parties emphasize the continued applicability and relevance of the Fourth Geneva Convention, which all High Contracting Parties have undertaken to respect and to ensure respect for in all circumstances. As such, they call on the occupying Power to fully and effectively respect the Fourth Geneva Convention in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem. They also remind the occupying Power of its obligation to administer the Occupied Palestinian Territory in a way which fully takes into account the needs of the civilian population while safeguarding its own security, and notably preserve its demographic characteristics.
5. The participating High Contracting Parties recall the primary obligation of the occupying Power to ensure adequate supplies of the population of the occupied territory and that whenever it is not in a position to do so, it is under the obligation to allow and facilitate relief schemes. In that case, they further recall that all High Contracting Parties shall permit the free passage of humanitarian relief and shall guarantee its protection. In this regard, the participating High Contracting Parties reiterate their support to the activities of the International Committee of the Red Cross, within its particular role conferred upon it by the Geneva Conventions, of the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East, and of other impartial humanitarian organizations, to assess and alleviate the humanitarian situation in the field. Beyond, all parties to the conflict, and as such also non-State actors, should make all possible efforts to allow and facilitate rapid and unimpeded passage of humanitarian relief for the population of the occupied territory.
6. The participating High Contracting Parties emphasize that all serious violations of international humanitarian law must be investigated and that all those responsible should be brought to justice.
7. The participating High Contracting Parties express their deep concern about recurring violations of international humanitarian law by all parties to the conflict, and as such also by non-State actors, including in the context of military operations and attacks directed against and emanating from the Occupied Palestinian Territory since the Conference of High Contracting Parties on 5 December 2001 and the resulting great suffering of the civilian population. They are particularly concerned about the number of victims among the civilian population in densely populated areas.
8. The participating High Contracting Parties express their deep concern about the impact of the continued occupation of the Occupied Palestinian Territory. They recall that, according to the advisory opinion of the International Court of Justice of 9 July 2004, the construction of the wall in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including in and around East Jerusalem, at least insofar as it deviates from the Green Line, and its associated regime, are contrary to international humanitarian law. They equally express their deep concern, from an international humanitarian law standpoint, about certain measures taken by the occupying Power in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including the closure of the Gaza Strip. They reaffirm the illegality of the settlements in the said territory and of the expansion thereof and of related unlawful seizure of property as well as of the transfer of prisoners into the territory of the occupying Power.
9. With regard to the conduct of hostilities, the participating High Contracting Parties underscore that the following acts are, among others, prohibited by international humanitarian law for all parties to the conflict, and as such also for non-State actors: (1) indiscriminate attacks of any kind, including attacks which are not directed at specific military objectives, and the employment of a method or means of combat which cannot be directed at a specific military objective or whose effects do not meet the requirements of the principles mentioned in paragraph 3 of this Declaration; (2) disproportionate attacks of any kind, including excessive destruction of civilian infrastructure; (3) destruction of property, carried out inconsistently with the principles mentioned in paragraph 3 of this Declaration; (4) attacks against protected persons and objects, including medical buildings, material, transports, units and personnel, as well as humanitarian personnel and objects, unless and for such time as they have lost their protection against direct attack; (5) attacks against civilian objects, including schools, unless and for such time as they are military objectives; (6) the location of military objectives in the vicinity of civilians and civilian objects, when it would be avoidable and (7) the use of civilians as human shields.
10. The participating High Contracting Parties reiterate the need to find a peaceful solution to the conflict, and stress that respect for and implementation of the Fourth Geneva Convention and international humanitarian law in general is essential to achieve a just and lasting peace."
A/69/711-S/2015/1 of 9 January 2015
Read article 9 that sums it up very clearly, and was aimed directly at the palestinians
• It reiterate the need to fully respect the fundamental principles of international humanitarian law.It actually doesn't say anything new. Every item on the list is just as applicable to the reported discrepancies committed by the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP), as it might be to the Israelis.
• It emphasize the continued applicability and relevance of the Fourth Geneva Convention.
(1) the obligation to distinguish between civilians and combatants and between civilian objects and military objectives,
(2) the principle of proportionality, and
(3) the obligation to take all feasible precautions to protect civilians and civilian objects.
• It recall the primary obligation of the Occupying Power to ensure adequate supplies to the population of the occupied territory.
• It emphasize that all serious violations of international humanitarian law must be investigated.
• It expresses a deep concern about recurring violations of international humanitarian law by all parties to the conflict.
• It express their deep concern about the impact of the continued occupation of the occupied Palestinian territory (oPt); and the partition using a security barrier that goes beyond the Green Line.
• It recalls the prohibited acts in the international humanitarian law for all parties to the conflict.
• It reiterate the need to find a peaceful solution to the conflict, and stress that respect for and implementation of the Fourth Geneva Convention.
It should be noted that the HoAP have ignored the "implementation" of the Geneva Convention. They routinely re-open hostilities and use indiscriminate fire on civilian targets. They routinely target civilian buses, school children, the aging and infirm, --- kidnap and murder civilians. The HoAP routine use the density of their civilian population to establish firing and launch positions. The absolutely refuse to Locate HoAP Military Objectives outside Densely Populated Areas and refuse to Removal of Civilians and Civilian Objects from the Vicinity of Military Objectives; instead using those position to shield legitimate targets and use casualties incurred in counter-fires and military combat advances as media events. All the IDF operations engaged and suppressed with such force as was necessary to silence HoAP operations and achieve the destruction of concrete military target to achieve the advantage.
1. There is no HoAP distinction between combatants and non-combatants. The attack non-combatants at will and openly stress that they have every right to do so.
2. There is no lack of supplies in the occupied Palestinian territories (oPt). In fact there are so many supplies, satisfactory and acceptable in quality or quantity, that the construction of underground tunnels has begun.
3. There are routinely IDF/Ministry of Justice investigation performed on all accusation of "serious violations."
4. The concern for the Security Barrier is negated by the Peace Treaties with Egypt and Jordan which replace the Armistice Agreements that establish the Armistice Lines.
Most Respectfully,
R
Notice how the statement that reiterates that Israel is the "Occupying Power" is overlooked.
Who are the HoAP? Are those the people who are opposed to the occupation and colonization of their country?P F Tinmore, et al,
Hummm, interesting.
(QUESTIONS)I liked your post until you got to Israel's propaganda talking points on the end.stress that respect for and implementation of the Fourth Geneva Convention and international humanitarian law in general is essential to achieve a just and lasting peace."
1. There is no HoAP distinction between combatants and non-combatants. The attack non-combatants at will and openly stress that they have every right to do so.R
2. There is no lack of supplies in the occupied Palestinian territories (oPt). In fact there are so many supplies, satisfactory and acceptable in quality or quantity, that the construction of underground tunnels has begun.
3. There are routinely IDF/Ministry of Justice investigation performed on all accusation of "serious violations."
4. The concern for the Security Barrier is negated by the Peace Treaties with Egypt and Jordan which replace the Armistice Agreements that establish the Armistice Lines.
Exactly what is it you are saying that you disagree with?????
• Are you suggesting that the 2015 Convention Statement had no applicability to the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP)?
• Are you saying that the HoAP has a policy of a "peaceful solution" in resolving the conflict? --- That the HoAP has some special authority to attack Israeli civilian targets?
• Are you suggesting that the HoAP never intentionally loose indiscriminate fires or directly attack civilians?
• Are you suggesting that the HoAP have investigated and released reports on Geneva Convention Violations they are accused of?
• Are you suggestion that the IDF/Ministry of Justice do not make the investigations?
• Are you suggesting that there is now or have ever been an Armistice Agreement with the Palestinians that established an Armistice Line?
• Are you suggesting that the Egyptian and Jordanian Armistice Agreements are wrong when they indicate that the Armistice shall remain in force until a peaceful settlement (as in Peace Treaty) between the Parties is achieved?
• Are you suggesting that the Palestinians were a party to the conflict?
I'm confused!!!
Most Respectfully,
R
No, I am saying that Israel is the occupying power. Something your buddy denies. Maybe you can explain to your buddy that while combatants of the occupied territory may be held as POWs if not killed and captured, by definition, they can't be "repatriated" anywhere outside of their "patria" as we say in Latin.
