Israel Should Just Employ the Geneva Conventions

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Again, I think you are twisting the facts and misleading people.

P F Tinmore, et al,

This is too funny.

advanced on into the territory formerly under the Mandate.

The place was Palestine. Why do you use Israel's propaganda term?

Notice that they did not say advanced into Israeli territory.

BTW, why do the propagandists say that they attacked Israel?

(COMMENT)

The language used, and grammatically correct variation, come from the definition in the first "Palestine Order in Council of 1922" (not Israeli Propaganda).

PART I.

PRELIMINARY.

1. This Order may be cited as "The Palestine Order in Council, 1922."

The limits of this Order are the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies, hereinafter described as Palestine.
​

By treaty, the authority to define the Mandate was stipulated as: "within such boundaries as may be determined by the Principal Allied Powers." It was neither a territory defined by the Arab People or the Jewish People. So it cannot be attributed to either.

The phrase "territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies" was valid up to 15 May 1948 when the Mandate Terminated. Thereafter, it was "the territory formerly under the Mandate" or some proper variation thereof; or associated as a new Trusteeship. The language depends on whether you are looking backwards or forwards.

One of the simplest explanations of the system, that I've seen, actually came from "Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: League of Nations Mandate; "The mandate system was established under Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, entered into on 28 June 1919. With the dissolution of the League of Nations after World War II, it was stipulated at the Yalta Conference that the remaining Mandates should be placed under the trusteeship of the United Nations, subject to future discussions and formal agreements. Most of the remaining mandates of the League of Nations (with the exception of South-West Africa) thus eventually became United Nations Trust Territories." This, in effect, was the backbone behind Chapter XII of the UN Charter --- a decision made by the Heads of State from the Major Allied Powers.

Generalities

All of the territories subject to League of Nations mandates were previously controlled by states defeated in World War I, principally Imperial Germany and the Ottoman Empire. The mandates were fundamentally different from the protectorates in that the Mandatory power undertook obligations to the inhabitants of the territory and to the League of Nations.

The process of establishing the mandates consisted of two phases:

1. The formal removal of sovereignty of the state previously controlling the territory.
2. The transfer of mandatory powers to individual states among the Allied Powers.

Theoretically, it could also be described as the territory formerly under the control of the Enemy Occupied Territory Administration; OR, former territory of the Ottoman Empire.

Just because it does not fit the Arab Palestinian agenda (everything is theirs), does not mean it is Israel Propaganda.

Most Respectfully,
R

The mandates were fundamentally different from the protectorates in that the Mandatory power undertook obligations to the inhabitants of the territory and to the League of Nations.​

And Britain said that Palestine would still be a legal entity after they left. Palestine would still be there but would not be self governing.

Considering that the denial of the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people to self-determination, sovereignty, independence and return to Palestine and the repeated acts of aggression by Israel against the peoples of the region constitute a serious threat to international peace and security,​

Palestine is still there and the Palestinians are still Palestinians.

3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the Namibian people, the Palestinian people and all peoples under foreign and colonial domination to self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, national unity and sovereignty without outside interference;​

Could we assume that their territory is Palestine. Israel has always denied the existence of Palestine and the Palestinians but that is just a bunch of lies.

Link: A/RES/37/43. Importance of the universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination and of the speedy granting of independence to colonial countries and peoples for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights

(COMMENT)

The link you use is a valid link, to a UN General Assembly Resolution A/RES/37/43 3 December 1982. BUT, having said that, the Resolution A/RES/37/43 is NOT enforceable law and come six years before the PLO declares independence for Palestine.

• The Arab Palestinians were NEVER denied their right of self-determination.

∆ The Hostile Arab Palestinians exercised their right of self-determination when:

•∆• When they declined at least three times to participate in Article 22 Tutoring and Participation in governing process before 1923.
•∆• When they declined to participate in the processes under the set-up established by the Partition Plan.
•∆• When they elected representatives to participate in the Jordanian Parliament and voted to be Annexed into the Hashemite Kingdom.
•∆• When they declared independence in 1988 as the State of Palestine.
​

• The Arab Palestinian constantly bring-up this UN GA/RES/37/43 Resolution as if it gives some sort of direction. The fact is, anything can be "REAFFIRMED." I can reaffirm that the sky is blue. It does not mean that the sky was denied blue as a color, it is a statement of fact. It so happens that the Citizens of the United States have the right to self-determination, just as the people called Palestinians have the right to self-determination. It is NOT a revelation or an epiphany. Some rights, as the Hostile Arab Palestinians have demonstrated, are regenerative and reusable (that is the meaning of "inalienable"). BUT, in our discussion here, it has no impact.
• Finally, GA/RES/37/43 deals specifically with The United Nations list of Non-Self-Governing Territories. (And I would appreciate it if you would not attempt to challenge the integrity of the list as being "not all inclusive.)

Committee of 24 (Special Committee on Decolonization)
The Special Committee on the Situation with regard to the Implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence of Colonial Countries and Peoples (also known as the Special Committee on decolonization or C-24), the United Nations entity exclusively devoted to the issue of decolonization, was established in 1961 by the General Assembly with the purpose of monitoring the implementation of the Declaration (General Assembly Resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960).

The Special Committee annually reviews the list of Territories to which the Declaration is applicable and makes recommendations as to its implementation. It also hears statements from NSGTs representatives, dispatches visiting missions, and organizes seminars on the political, social and economic situation in the Territories. Further, the Special Committee annually makes recommendations concerning the dissemination of information to mobilize public opinion in support of the decolonization process, and observes the Week of Solidarity with the Peoples of Non-Self-Governing Territories.

Nothing in the territories, formerly under the Mandate for Palestine, are considered Non-Self-Governing Territories (NSGTs). They are not now, nor have they ever been, subject to colonial criteria as associated with UN GA/RES/37/43 or UN GA/RES/1514(XV).

Most Respectfully,
R​

 

[montelatici]

More important colonies are declared as such through specific resolutions. In United Nations resolution 2073 of 1965, Oman, which had never been placed in the category of Non-Self-Governing Territories, was considered to have the status of a colony. Similarly, Algeria was never defined as a Non-Self-Governing Territory, but the General Assembly in its resolution 1573 of 1960 recognized the need to implement the right to self-determination "on the basis of respect for the unity and territorial integrity of Algeria," it being understood that Algeria was a French colony. Palestine is also not included within the category of Non-Self-Governing Territories but still constitutes a colonial situation and is specified as such in Resolution 3092 of 1973, to wit:

"4. Calls upon Israel to desist immediately from the annexation and colonization of the Arab territories occupied by it since 1967, the establishment of settlements and the transfer of population to, from or within those territories, and from all the other practices referred to in paragraph 3 above;"

Furthermore, resolution 3525 of 1975 "urges all States to refrain from any action which Israel will exploit in carrying out its policy of colonizing the occupied territories," and resolution 34/44 1979 "reaffirms the inalienable right of the peoples of Namibia and Zimbabwe, of the Palestinian people and of all peoples under colonial and alien domination to self-determination".

General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) of 1960, "Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples," is applicable to the 1967 Occupied Palestinian Territory and its people; and in the preamble to resolution 34/44, the General Assembly reaffirmed the importance of the implementation of resolution 1514. To wit:

"Considering that the activities of Israel, in particular the denial to the Palestinian people of its right to self-determination and independence, constitute a serious and increasing threat to international peace and security,

Reaffirming its faith in General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960, containing the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples, and the importance of its implementation,..."

In short Rocco, your propaganda dog won't hunt.

 

[RoccoR]

montelatici, et al,

You make very similar mistake that our friend P F Timore makes.

More important colonies are declared as such through specific resolutions. In United Nations resolution 2073 of 1965, Oman, which had never been placed in the category of Non-Self-Governing Territories, was considered to have the status of a colony.

(COMMENT)

The UK was a colonial power. In the Question of Oman General Assembly Resolution 2073 (XX) 17 December 1965, has very little in common with the situation looking at Israel and the Palestinian territories.

• GA Resolution 2073 is a non-binding resolution of 1965.
• In 1965, the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan maintained sovereignty over the West Bank (the Arab Palestinians voted in favor); and Egypt maintained control over the Gaza Strip via the Egyptian Military Governorship.
• Paragraph 4 of the Resolution indicates that the General Assembly believed that the presence of British Troops prevented the population from exercising "the right of self-determination. Clearly this has never been the case in either the West Bank or the Gaza Strip. See Posting #281 which outlines at least four instances when the Hostile Arab Palestinians exercised their right.
​

Similarly, Algeria was never defined as a Non-Self-Governing Territory, but the General Assembly in its resolution 1573 of 1960 recognized the need to implement the right to self-determination "on the basis of respect for the unity and territorial integrity of Algeria," it being understood that Algeria was a French colony. Palestine is also not included within the category of Non-Self-Governing Territories but still constitutes a colonial situation and is specified as such in Resolution 3092 of 1973, to wit:

"4. Calls upon Israel to desist immediately from the annexation and colonization of the Arab territories occupied by it since 1967, the establishment of settlements and the transfer of population to, from or within those territories, and from all the other practices referred to in paragraph 3 above;"

Furthermore, resolution 3525 of 1975 "urges all States to refrain from any action which Israel will exploit in carrying out its policy of colonizing the occupied territories," and resolution 34/44 1979 "reaffirms the inalienable right of the peoples of Namibia and Zimbabwe, of the Palestinian people and of all peoples under colonial and alien domination to self-determination".

General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) of 1960, "Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples," is applicable to the 1967 Occupied Palestinian Territory and its people; and in the preamble to resolution 34/44, the General Assembly reaffirmed the importance of the implementation of resolution 1514. To wit:

"Considering that the activities of Israel, in particular the denial to the Palestinian people of its right to self-determination and independence, constitute a serious and increasing threat to international peace and security,

Reaffirming its faith in General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960, containing the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples, and the importance of its implementation,..."

(COMMENT)

You keep repeating the same resolutions over and over again.

• In 1960, the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan was sovereign. So the General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960 is not applicable; unless you are accusing Jordan of being a Colonial Power.
• Resolution 3525 of 1975 is non-binding and not applicable. While the West Bank and Gaza Strip were under the effective control of Israel, the injured party by government is Jordan and Egypt; NOT the Hostile Arab Palestinians. Jordan annexed the territory and sovereignty, while Egypt dissolved the All Palestine Government.
​

Reaffirming the "inalienable rights" is just a slogan or mantra. In theory it is applicable to all peoples everywhere. It is like say, everyone has the right to breath. But it lends nothing at all to the argument over the territorial control.

In short Rocco, your propaganda dog won't hunt.

(COMMENT)

Believe what you will. Interpret non-binding resolutions as you will. At the end of the day:

• There will always be those that will defend against the terrorism based and tyrannical nature of Radical Islamic Arab, and their associated Parasitic Culture that attempt to use the color of law to assault the Jewish National Home, and assail the preservation of the Jewish People.
• There will always be those that will confront the blackmail of the Hostile Arab Palestinians that hold regional peace for ransom: demanding that which they could not otherwise achieve diplomatically, through negotiations, or by multiple conflicts and more than three-quarter of a century of terrorism, insurgency and asymmetric hostile activity.

Most Respectfully,
R​

 

[Boston1]

Looks like Jordan is the Arab Muslim colonial government in the mandate area. With something like 75% of the Arab Muslims in Jerusalem being colonists who arrived between 1920 and 1945

Looks the vast majority of Arab Muslims in Israel are colonists. All the easier to repatriate them ;--)

 

[P F Tinmore]

montelatici, et al,

You make very similar mistake that our friend P F Timore makes.

More important colonies are declared as such through specific resolutions. In United Nations resolution 2073 of 1965, Oman, which had never been placed in the category of Non-Self-Governing Territories, was considered to have the status of a colony.

(COMMENT)

The UK was a colonial power. In the Question of Oman General Assembly Resolution 2073 (XX) 17 December 1965, has very little in common with the situation looking at Israel and the Palestinian territories.

• GA Resolution 2073 is a non-binding resolution of 1965.
• In 1965, the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan maintained sovereignty over the West Bank (the Arab Palestinians voted in favor); and Egypt maintained control over the Gaza Strip via the Egyptian Military Governorship.
• Paragraph 4 of the Resolution indicates that the General Assembly believed that the presence of British Troops prevented the population from exercising "the right of self-determination. Clearly this has never been the case in either the West Bank or the Gaza Strip. See Posting #281 which outlines at least four instances when the Hostile Arab Palestinians exercised their right.
​

Similarly, Algeria was never defined as a Non-Self-Governing Territory, but the General Assembly in its resolution 1573 of 1960 recognized the need to implement the right to self-determination "on the basis of respect for the unity and territorial integrity of Algeria," it being understood that Algeria was a French colony. Palestine is also not included within the category of Non-Self-Governing Territories but still constitutes a colonial situation and is specified as such in Resolution 3092 of 1973, to wit:

"4. Calls upon Israel to desist immediately from the annexation and colonization of the Arab territories occupied by it since 1967, the establishment of settlements and the transfer of population to, from or within those territories, and from all the other practices referred to in paragraph 3 above;"

Furthermore, resolution 3525 of 1975 "urges all States to refrain from any action which Israel will exploit in carrying out its policy of colonizing the occupied territories," and resolution 34/44 1979 "reaffirms the inalienable right of the peoples of Namibia and Zimbabwe, of the Palestinian people and of all peoples under colonial and alien domination to self-determination".

General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) of 1960, "Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples," is applicable to the 1967 Occupied Palestinian Territory and its people; and in the preamble to resolution 34/44, the General Assembly reaffirmed the importance of the implementation of resolution 1514. To wit:

"Considering that the activities of Israel, in particular the denial to the Palestinian people of its right to self-determination and independence, constitute a serious and increasing threat to international peace and security,

Reaffirming its faith in General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960, containing the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples, and the importance of its implementation,..."

(COMMENT)

You keep repeating the same resolutions over and over again.

• In 1960, the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan was sovereign. So the General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960 is not applicable; unless you are accusing Jordan of being a Colonial Power.
• Resolution 3525 of 1975 is non-binding and not applicable. While the West Bank and Gaza Strip were under the effective control of Israel, the injured party by government is Jordan and Egypt; NOT the Hostile Arab Palestinians. Jordan annexed the territory and sovereignty, while Egypt dissolved the All Palestine Government.
​

Reaffirming the "inalienable rights" is just a slogan or mantra. In theory it is applicable to all peoples everywhere. It is like say, everyone has the right to breath. But it lends nothing at all to the argument over the territorial control.

In short Rocco, your propaganda dog won't hunt.

(COMMENT)

Believe what you will. Interpret non-binding resolutions as you will. At the end of the day:

• There will always be those that will defend against the terrorism based and tyrannical nature of Radical Islamic Arab, and their associated Parasitic Culture that attempt to use the color of law to assault the Jewish National Home, and assail the preservation of the Jewish People.
• There will always be those that will confront the blackmail of the Hostile Arab Palestinians that hold regional peace for ransom: demanding that which they could not otherwise achieve diplomatically, through negotiations, or by multiple conflicts and more than three-quarter of a century of terrorism, insurgency and asymmetric hostile activity.

Most Respectfully,
R​

Reaffirming the "inalienable rights" is just a slogan or mantra. In theory it is applicable to all peoples everywhere.​

Except for the Palestinians, of course.

 

[montelatici]

Looks like Jordan is the Arab Muslim colonial government in the mandate area. With something like 75% of the Arab Muslims in Jerusalem being colonists who arrived between 1920 and 1945

Looks the vast majority of Arab Muslims in Israel are colonists. All the easier to repatriate them ;--)

Your silly Hasbara chart without a reference fools no one.



Successful Jewish Colonization Will Extend Beyond Palestine Frontier, Weizmann Tells Actions Committee
July 25, 1926



London (Jul. 23)

(Jewish Telegraphic Agency)

The various phases of the present situation in Palestine and in the Zionist movement throughout the world, and plans of Zionist leadership for the immediate future, were submitted for consideration at the Zionist Actions Committee which opened its session here yesterday.

The contemplated trip to the United States of Dr. Chaim Weizmann, president of the World Zionist Organization, the continuation of his efforts while in America to extend the Jewish Agency through his negotiations with the Marshall group, the possibilities of extending Jewish colonization work outside of the present Palestine frontiers, including. Transjordania and certain parts of Syria, were the main features around which the deliberations centered."

Successful Jewish Colonization Will Extend Beyond Palestine Frontier, Weizmann Tells Actions Committ

 

[montelatici]

montelatici, et al,

You make very similar mistake that our friend P F Timore makes.

More important colonies are declared as such through specific resolutions. In United Nations resolution 2073 of 1965, Oman, which had never been placed in the category of Non-Self-Governing Territories, was considered to have the status of a colony.

(COMMENT)

The UK was a colonial power. In the Question of Oman General Assembly Resolution 2073 (XX) 17 December 1965, has very little in common with the situation looking at Israel and the Palestinian territories.

• GA Resolution 2073 is a non-binding resolution of 1965.
• In 1965, the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan maintained sovereignty over the West Bank (the Arab Palestinians voted in favor); and Egypt maintained control over the Gaza Strip via the Egyptian Military Governorship.
• Paragraph 4 of the Resolution indicates that the General Assembly believed that the presence of British Troops prevented the population from exercising "the right of self-determination. Clearly this has never been the case in either the West Bank or the Gaza Strip. See Posting #281 which outlines at least four instances when the Hostile Arab Palestinians exercised their right.
​

Similarly, Algeria was never defined as a Non-Self-Governing Territory, but the General Assembly in its resolution 1573 of 1960 recognized the need to implement the right to self-determination "on the basis of respect for the unity and territorial integrity of Algeria," it being understood that Algeria was a French colony. Palestine is also not included within the category of Non-Self-Governing Territories but still constitutes a colonial situation and is specified as such in Resolution 3092 of 1973, to wit:

"4. Calls upon Israel to desist immediately from the annexation and colonization of the Arab territories occupied by it since 1967, the establishment of settlements and the transfer of population to, from or within those territories, and from all the other practices referred to in paragraph 3 above;"

Furthermore, resolution 3525 of 1975 "urges all States to refrain from any action which Israel will exploit in carrying out its policy of colonizing the occupied territories," and resolution 34/44 1979 "reaffirms the inalienable right of the peoples of Namibia and Zimbabwe, of the Palestinian people and of all peoples under colonial and alien domination to self-determination".

General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) of 1960, "Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples," is applicable to the 1967 Occupied Palestinian Territory and its people; and in the preamble to resolution 34/44, the General Assembly reaffirmed the importance of the implementation of resolution 1514. To wit:

"Considering that the activities of Israel, in particular the denial to the Palestinian people of its right to self-determination and independence, constitute a serious and increasing threat to international peace and security,

Reaffirming its faith in General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960, containing the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples, and the importance of its implementation,..."

(COMMENT)

You keep repeating the same resolutions over and over again.

• In 1960, the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan was sovereign. So the General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960 is not applicable; unless you are accusing Jordan of being a Colonial Power.
• Resolution 3525 of 1975 is non-binding and not applicable. While the West Bank and Gaza Strip were under the effective control of Israel, the injured party by government is Jordan and Egypt; NOT the Hostile Arab Palestinians. Jordan annexed the territory and sovereignty, while Egypt dissolved the All Palestine Government.
​

Reaffirming the "inalienable rights" is just a slogan or mantra. In theory it is applicable to all peoples everywhere. It is like say, everyone has the right to breath. But it lends nothing at all to the argument over the territorial control.

In short Rocco, your propaganda dog won't hunt.

(COMMENT)

Believe what you will. Interpret non-binding resolutions as you will. At the end of the day:

• There will always be those that will defend against the terrorism based and tyrannical nature of Radical Islamic Arab, and their associated Parasitic Culture that attempt to use the color of law to assault the Jewish National Home, and assail the preservation of the Jewish People.
• There will always be those that will confront the blackmail of the Hostile Arab Palestinians that hold regional peace for ransom: demanding that which they could not otherwise achieve diplomatically, through negotiations, or by multiple conflicts and more than three-quarter of a century of terrorism, insurgency and asymmetric hostile activity.

Most Respectfully,
R​

A little table has far less force of law than a UN Resolution you silly twat.

 

[Boston1]

I've referenced that chart a thousand times ;--) Just because you're not paying attention, doesn't mean the rest of us have to repeat ourselves over and over and over.

All your hasbara nonsense simply isn't flying.

The Jordanians who remained in Israel after the Arab Leagues first few defeats
ARE VIRTUALLY ALL IMMIGRANTS

 

[Challenger]

The Arab Palestinians were NEVER denied their right of self-determination.

Well yes they were, in 1936 when they rose up o throw off British rule and the rebellion was crushed. That's not a power exercising "tutelage"as part of a Mandate, that's a colonial despot denying self-determination of the indigenous population by force. 1936–39 Arab revolt in Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Challenger]

Your silly Hasbara chart without a reference fools no one.

...especially as the idiot hasn't even noticed it covers the population of Jerusalem only and doesn't refer to the rest of Palestine at all. Still that's what his Hasbara playbook tells him to cite.

 

[Boston1]

The Arab Palestinians were NEVER denied their right of self-determination.

Well yes they were, in 1936 when they rose up o throw off British rule and the rebellion was crushed. That's not a power exercising "tutelage"as part of a Mandate, that's a colonial despot denying self-determination of the indigenous population by force. 1936–39 Arab revolt in Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Arabs Muslims rose up as you put it long before 1936, with pogroms stretching back to the first colonization period. No thats not a power exorcising "tutelage" as part of the mandate. Thats the simple history of the Arab Muslims towards diversity. Convert or be subject to racism, bigotry and special taxes for failing to convert, assuming they don't simply kill you for not converting. If thats what you call self determination for the Indigenous Judaic people then you are one twisted pup.

But once again your not even close to being on topic. The subject is Israel simply employing the GC in order to rid itself of all enemy combatants. Which is a right of any nation under the UN charter.

 

[Challenger]

The Arab Palestinians were NEVER denied their right of self-determination.

Well yes they were, in 1936 when they rose up o throw off British rule and the rebellion was crushed. That's not a power exercising "tutelage"as part of a Mandate, that's a colonial despot denying self-determination of the indigenous population by force. 1936–39 Arab revolt in Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Arabs Muslims rose up as you put it long before 1936, with pogroms stretching back to the first colonization period. No thats not a power exorcising "tutelage" as part of the mandate. Thats the simple history of the Arab Muslims towards diversity. Convert or be subject to racism, bigotry and special taxes for failing to convert, assuming they don't simply kill you for not converting. If thats what you call self determination for the Indigenous Judaic people then you are one twisted pup...

Making things up again as usual. No change there.

FYI I was responding to RoccoR's accusations,

...twisting the facts and misleading people.

Spooks (even retired ones) are past-masters in the art. You, on the other hand, judging by the drivel you just posted above...

 

[P F Tinmore]

montelatici, et al,

You make very similar mistake that our friend P F Timore makes.

More important colonies are declared as such through specific resolutions. In United Nations resolution 2073 of 1965, Oman, which had never been placed in the category of Non-Self-Governing Territories, was considered to have the status of a colony.

(COMMENT)

The UK was a colonial power. In the Question of Oman General Assembly Resolution 2073 (XX) 17 December 1965, has very little in common with the situation looking at Israel and the Palestinian territories.

• GA Resolution 2073 is a non-binding resolution of 1965.
• In 1965, the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan maintained sovereignty over the West Bank (the Arab Palestinians voted in favor); and Egypt maintained control over the Gaza Strip via the Egyptian Military Governorship.
• Paragraph 4 of the Resolution indicates that the General Assembly believed that the presence of British Troops prevented the population from exercising "the right of self-determination. Clearly this has never been the case in either the West Bank or the Gaza Strip. See Posting #281 which outlines at least four instances when the Hostile Arab Palestinians exercised their right.
​

Similarly, Algeria was never defined as a Non-Self-Governing Territory, but the General Assembly in its resolution 1573 of 1960 recognized the need to implement the right to self-determination "on the basis of respect for the unity and territorial integrity of Algeria," it being understood that Algeria was a French colony. Palestine is also not included within the category of Non-Self-Governing Territories but still constitutes a colonial situation and is specified as such in Resolution 3092 of 1973, to wit:

"4. Calls upon Israel to desist immediately from the annexation and colonization of the Arab territories occupied by it since 1967, the establishment of settlements and the transfer of population to, from or within those territories, and from all the other practices referred to in paragraph 3 above;"

Furthermore, resolution 3525 of 1975 "urges all States to refrain from any action which Israel will exploit in carrying out its policy of colonizing the occupied territories," and resolution 34/44 1979 "reaffirms the inalienable right of the peoples of Namibia and Zimbabwe, of the Palestinian people and of all peoples under colonial and alien domination to self-determination".

General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) of 1960, "Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples," is applicable to the 1967 Occupied Palestinian Territory and its people; and in the preamble to resolution 34/44, the General Assembly reaffirmed the importance of the implementation of resolution 1514. To wit:

"Considering that the activities of Israel, in particular the denial to the Palestinian people of its right to self-determination and independence, constitute a serious and increasing threat to international peace and security,

Reaffirming its faith in General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960, containing the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples, and the importance of its implementation,..."

(COMMENT)

You keep repeating the same resolutions over and over again.

• In 1960, the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan was sovereign. So the General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960 is not applicable; unless you are accusing Jordan of being a Colonial Power.
• Resolution 3525 of 1975 is non-binding and not applicable. While the West Bank and Gaza Strip were under the effective control of Israel, the injured party by government is Jordan and Egypt; NOT the Hostile Arab Palestinians. Jordan annexed the territory and sovereignty, while Egypt dissolved the All Palestine Government.
​

Reaffirming the "inalienable rights" is just a slogan or mantra. In theory it is applicable to all peoples everywhere. It is like say, everyone has the right to breath. But it lends nothing at all to the argument over the territorial control.

In short Rocco, your propaganda dog won't hunt.

(COMMENT)

Believe what you will. Interpret non-binding resolutions as you will. At the end of the day:

• There will always be those that will defend against the terrorism based and tyrannical nature of Radical Islamic Arab, and their associated Parasitic Culture that attempt to use the color of law to assault the Jewish National Home, and assail the preservation of the Jewish People.
• There will always be those that will confront the blackmail of the Hostile Arab Palestinians that hold regional peace for ransom: demanding that which they could not otherwise achieve diplomatically, through negotiations, or by multiple conflicts and more than three-quarter of a century of terrorism, insurgency and asymmetric hostile activity.

Most Respectfully,
R​

According to British and Zionist documents, colonization began three decades before the declaration of Israel. Israel continued its colonization of 1948 land between 1948 and 1967 by taking Palestinian land and building settlements and attempted to occupy Gaza during that period.

Israel had to put its colonization of the West Bank and Gaza on hold while they were occupied by Jordan and Egypt respectively.

Today Israel continues to colonize 1948 Palestine and the West Bank by taking more land and building more settlements.

 

[RoccoR]

montelatici, et al,

Yes, you perpetual victims cannot simply see any other application of the word. Sometimes you can be such a Philistine.

Looks like Jordan is the Arab Muslim colonial government in the mandate area. With something like 75% of the Arab Muslims in Jerusalem being colonists who arrived between 1920 and 1945

Successful Jewish Colonization Will Extend Beyond Palestine Frontier, Weizmann Tells Actions Committee
July 25, 1926

London (Jul. 23)(Jewish Telegraphic Agency)

The various phases of the present situation in Palestine and in the Zionist movement throughout the world, and plans of Zionist leadership for the immediate future, were submitted for consideration at the Zionist Actions Committee which opened its session here yesterday.

The contemplated trip to the United States of Dr. Chaim Weizmann, president of the World Zionist Organization, the continuation of his efforts while in America to extend the Jewish Agency through his negotiations with the Marshall group, the possibilities of extending Jewish colonization work outside of the present Palestine frontiers, including. Transjordania and certain parts of Syria, were the main features around which the deliberations centered."

Successful Jewish Colonization Will Extend Beyond Palestine Frontier, Weizmann Tells Actions Committ

(COMMENT)

In the case of Dr Weizmann, some 90 years ago, using the word "colonization" was meant to convey the idea that the Jewish People would, in accordance with the Mandate, move people into a destination country which they are not natives of or where they do not possess citizenship in order to settle or reside there. It was not, as you are so desperately trying to imply, have anything to do with the intent to deny independence on behalf of a colonial power.

• It did not intend to deny the right to self-determination.
• It was NOT an armed action or repressive measures of any kind directed against dependent peoples.
• The Arab Palestinian rejected to participate in the governance process several times; three time alone in 1923.
​

Dr Weizmann would have used a different word had he known, a century ago, that it would be used to inappropriately convey or imply alien subjugation, domination and exploitation constitutes a denial of fundamental human rights on the part of a foreign power. Remember the Mandate from the Allied Powers (Article 4 and 6)
shall facilitate Jewish immigration for close settlement by Jews on the land.

A little table has far less force of law than a UN Resolution you silly twat.

(COMMENT)

Obviously you did not read how the UN Special Committee on decolonization use the chart. The UN Resolution has NO FORCE OF LAW. However, the application of the resolution on behalf of the US is handled by the C-24 Special Committee. You cannot apply the Resolution to the West Bank or Gaza Strip if they are not Non-Self-Governing Territories.

If they are NSGTs, then they cannot be competent to join the ICC or any other treaty. You cannot have it both ways. You cannot claim to be a NSGT and then turn around and claim the right to enter into treaties. You cannot claim to be denied the right of self-determination and still be able to enter into treaties. You cannot claim that Israel is denying the territories the right to self-determination, and yet perform inherently governmental functions.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[RoccoR]

Challenger et al,

Well, I'm not sure I agree with this.

The Arab Palestinians were NEVER denied their right of self-determination.

Well yes they were, in 1936 when they rose up o throw off British rule and the rebellion was crushed. That's not a power exercising "tutelage"as part of a Mandate, that's a colonial despot denying self-determination of the indigenous population by force. 1936–39 Arab revolt in Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

(COMMENT)

Supreme Arab Committee (SAC), which later came to be known as the Arab Higher Committee (AHC), under the presidency of the Mufti of Jerusalem (Hajj Amin al-Husseini). The Committee (SAC/AHC) decided that the Arab Strike and widespread violence which began on the 21 April 1936 should continue until Jewish immigration was suspended.

Mufti of Jerusalem Hajj Amin al-Husseini was a former Enemy Officer of the Ottoman Army turned cleric. He emerged as one of the key Arab leaders involved in promoting the 1920 Arab Riots --- inciting the Arab masses to murder Jews and encouraged the looting of Jewish homes and businesses. Hajj Amin al-Husseini used his influence as a radical religious cleric as a stepping stone to become the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem. In late September 1937, the AHC in collaboration with three of the region's key Arab leaders (King Abdul Aziz-ibn Saud, King Ghazi of Iraq and the Emir Abdullah of Transjordan) used the threat of continued violence if they did not get what they wanted politically. In part --- the conspiracy said:

“to call upon you to resolve for peace in order to save further shedding of blood. In doing this, we rely on the good intentions of our friend Great Britain, who has declared that she will do justice. You must be confident that we will continue our efforts to assist you.”
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The rioting ceased shortly after the Conspiracy note was openly published. But not long after, the Hostile Arabs, overconfident in their ability to influence a frightened British Administration, shot and killed the District Commissioner of Galilee and his entire motorcade in Nazareth (late September 1937). The British Civil Authority, within days, then made it publically known that they:"

"found it necessary to institute action against certain persons whose activities have been prejudicial to the maintenance of public security in Palestine and who must therefore be regarded as morally responsible for the campaign of terrorism and murder.”
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The British Civil Authority then began taking strict countermeasures:

The AHC and the local Nations Committees were declared to be unlawful associations.
The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was removed from office as the President of the Supreme Moslem Council. Judicial Arrest Warrants warrants were issued for:
Five members of the AHC
Several other prominent Arab leaders.
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The Grand Mufti escaped arrest by sneaking into Lebanon (the French Mandate). And key leader (Jamal Effendi Husseini) disappeared, and was also believed to have escaped into Syria (later becoming the AHC Chief Delegate, 1939 London Conference). Five others were apprehended and deported to the Island of Seychelles (Indian Ocean).

What is often called an Arab Revolt is just large scale criminal activity to coerce the British Civil Administration to bend to the will of a Radical Islamic Cleric and his conspirators. This technique of assassination, to hold Peace for Ransom, and to use the color of Radical Islamic Authority to incite large scale violence would become a traditional method of operations the Hostile Arab Palestinian. This played out again in 1948, and in the Black September assassination and Fedayeen revolt in the 1970 conflict in Jordan.

You can dress this pig of a story of how the Arab Palestinians are so victimized; yes --- any way you want. But!!! You'll never be able to sell it as Kosher meat. We know that the story telling, from generation to generation, by the Hostile Arab Palestinians would rather see their culture deteriorate even further down the Human Development Index (Palestine currently #113) rather than to rally up --- in the effort to improve their people, their life style and their economy.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Leaders with vision are a source of inspiration. They remove mental constraints of both time and foreknowledge. Creating goals allows leader to help others in making plans for achieving the end-game.

According to British and Zionist documents, colonization began three decades before the declaration of Israel.

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IF you equate the 1922 Mandate to encourage immigration to "colonization," THEN yes --- the movement of
all Jews who are willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home in designated Territory to which the Mandate applied.

In fact, the First Aliyah dates back to (at least) 1878 when a group Jews purchased a tract of land in the Plain of Sharon (AKA: Sharon Valley), near Jaffa for more than 20 family units.

Israel continued its colonization of 1948 land between 1948 and 1967 by taking Palestinian land and building settlements and attempted to occupy Gaza during that period.

(COMMENT)

With you I am always a bit confused by your ambiguous timeline.

• The Gaza Strip was under the Civil Administered by the All-Palestine Government (APG) from 1948 to 1959; when the Egyptian Government dissolved the unproductive and leadership lacking APG. From 1959 to 1967, the the Gaza Strip was under the effective control of the established Military Governorship.

• From 1948 to 1950, the West Bank was under the effective control and occupation by the Jordan. In 1950, Arab Palestinians of the West Bank, together with Jordanian representatives, voted to accept Jordanian Annexation. Jordanian sovereignty did not end until 1988.
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Both the Gaza Strip and the West Bank were taken under the effective control of Israel in 1967. The effective control was unilaterally relinquished in 2005 when Israeli Forces withdrew.

Israel had to put its colonization of the West Bank and Gaza on hold while they were occupied by Jordan and Egypt respectively.

(COMMENT)

The West Bank would probably not been taken by Israeli Forces had it not been for the fact that Jordan set artillery fire on Jerusalem.

Today Israel continues to colonize 1948 Palestine and the West Bank by taking more land and building more settlements.

(COMMENT)

Are you suggestion that the Arab Palestinians abort the Oslo Accords that established:

Area A Full civil and security control by the Palestinian Authority.

Area B ≈ Palestinian civil control and joint Israeli-Palestinian security control.

Area C ≈ Full Israeli civil and security control.
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Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Leaders with vision are a source of inspiration. They remove mental constraints of both time and foreknowledge. Creating goals allows leader to help others in making plans for achieving the end-game.

According to British and Zionist documents, colonization began three decades before the declaration of Israel.

(COMMENT)

IF you equate the 1922 Mandate to encourage immigration to "colonization," THEN yes --- the movement of
all Jews who are willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home in designated Territory to which the Mandate applied.

In fact, the First Aliyah dates back to (at least) 1878 when a group Jews purchased a tract of land in the Plain of Sharon (AKA: Sharon Valley), near Jaffa for more than 20 family units.

Israel continued its colonization of 1948 land between 1948 and 1967 by taking Palestinian land and building settlements and attempted to occupy Gaza during that period.

(COMMENT)

With you I am always a bit confused by your ambiguous timeline.

• The Gaza Strip was under the Civil Administered by the All-Palestine Government (APG) from 1948 to 1959; when the Egyptian Government dissolved the unproductive and leadership lacking APG. From 1959 to 1967, the the Gaza Strip was under the effective control of the established Military Governorship.

• From 1948 to 1950, the West Bank was under the effective control and occupation by the Jordan. In 1950, Arab Palestinians of the West Bank, together with Jordanian representatives, voted to accept Jordanian Annexation. Jordanian sovereignty did not end until 1988.
​

Both the Gaza Strip and the West Bank were taken under the effective control of Israel in 1967. The effective control was unilaterally relinquished in 2005 when Israeli Forces withdrew.

Israel had to put its colonization of the West Bank and Gaza on hold while they were occupied by Jordan and Egypt respectively.

(COMMENT)

The West Bank would probably not been taken by Israeli Forces had it not been for the fact that Jordan set artillery fire on Jerusalem.

Today Israel continues to colonize 1948 Palestine and the West Bank by taking more land and building more settlements.

(COMMENT)

Are you suggestion that the Arab Palestinians abort the Oslo Accords that established:

Area A Full civil and security control by the Palestinian Authority.

Area B ≈ Palestinian civil control and joint Israeli-Palestinian security control.

Area C ≈ Full Israeli civil and security control.
​

Most Respectfully,
R

Oslo.

The legal rights of the inhabitants of occupied territory cannot be curtailed by any agreement or other arrangement between the occupying power and the authorities of the occupied territory. This is intended to prevent national authorities from being put under pressure to make concessions which might not be in the population’s best interests or weaken its legal rights.

ICRC service​

In my view, Oslo is illegal.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The Arab Palestinians are always claiming soemone else is at fault or something is illegal that prevents them from doing this or that. It is in keeping directly with the perpetual victim position they hold.

And as you can see here, the Arab Palestinians do not want to honor their word (agreements) or accept responsibility for any outcome.

Oslo.

The legal rights of the inhabitants of occupied territory cannot be curtailed by any agreement or other arrangement between the occupying power and the authorities of the occupied territory. This is intended to prevent national authorities from being put under pressure to make concessions which might not be in the population’s best interests or weaken its legal rights.

ICRC service​

In my view, Oslo is illegal.

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• The Nobel Peace Prize 1994: Yasser Arafat, Shimon Peres, Yitzhak Rabin

I find it interesting that the only Nobel Prize awarded to a person representing the Palestine was Yasser Arafat for the work on the "Oslo Accords." But according to some, the Oslo Accords are illegal, and thus the Palestinian Award should be rejected, just as they rejected so many other potential for peace.

Jihad and armed resistance is the correct and authentic means for the liberation of Palestine and the restoration of all rights.
Khalid Mish’al, Head of the Political Bureau of the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas)
August 2010​

"Yasser Arafat received the Nobel Peace Prize on December 10, 1994. The ceremony which was held in Oslo, Norway, also saw Israel’s Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin and Foreign Minister Shimon Peres joining in the prize. "
SOURCE: Arafat and the Nobel Peace Prize

SOURCE: The Official Website for the Nobel Prize ​

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Boston1]

The Arab Palestinians were NEVER denied their right of self-determination.

Well yes they were, in 1936 when they rose up o throw off British rule and the rebellion was crushed. That's not a power exercising "tutelage"as part of a Mandate, that's a colonial despot denying self-determination of the indigenous population by force. 1936–39 Arab revolt in Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Arabs Muslims rose up as you put it long before 1936, with pogroms stretching back to the first colonization period. No thats not a power exorcising "tutelage" as part of the mandate. Thats the simple history of the Arab Muslims towards diversity. Convert or be subject to racism, bigotry and special taxes for failing to convert, assuming they don't simply kill you for not converting. If thats what you call self determination for the Indigenous Judaic people then you are one twisted pup...

Making things up again as usual. No change there.

FYI I was responding to RoccoR's accusations,

...twisting the facts and misleading people.

Spooks (even retired ones) are past-masters in the art. You, on the other hand, judging by the drivel you just posted above...

First of all using racial slurs like "Spook" is highly offensive, even coming from a racist like yourself.

Secondly once again your outright lies are quite easy to expose.

How about we reference the Damascus Affair 1840, and ask ourselves where was the Zionist movement then ?

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The Damascus affair of 1840 refers to the arrest of thirteen notable members of the Jewish community of Damascus who were accused of murdering a Christian monk for ritual purposes. The anti-semitic blood libel[1] resulted in the accused being imprisoned and tortured and the populace attacking and pillaging a local synagogue. The affair drew widespread international attention which resulted in negotiations conducted in Alexandria from August 4 till August 28. The aftermath secured the unconditional release and recognition of innocence for the nine prisoners remaining alive and the issuing of a firman (edict) intended to halt the spread of blood libel accusations in the Ottoman Empire.

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Now then, you were saying ?

 

[montelatici]

montelatici, et al,

Yes, you perpetual victims cannot simply see any other application of the word. Sometimes you can be such a Philistine.

Looks like Jordan is the Arab Muslim colonial government in the mandate area. With something like 75% of the Arab Muslims in Jerusalem being colonists who arrived between 1920 and 1945

Successful Jewish Colonization Will Extend Beyond Palestine Frontier, Weizmann Tells Actions Committee
July 25, 1926

London (Jul. 23)(Jewish Telegraphic Agency)

The various phases of the present situation in Palestine and in the Zionist movement throughout the world, and plans of Zionist leadership for the immediate future, were submitted for consideration at the Zionist Actions Committee which opened its session here yesterday.

The contemplated trip to the United States of Dr. Chaim Weizmann, president of the World Zionist Organization, the continuation of his efforts while in America to extend the Jewish Agency through his negotiations with the Marshall group, the possibilities of extending Jewish colonization work outside of the present Palestine frontiers, including. Transjordania and certain parts of Syria, were the main features around which the deliberations centered."

Successful Jewish Colonization Will Extend Beyond Palestine Frontier, Weizmann Tells Actions Committ

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In the case of Dr Weizmann, some 90 years ago, using the word "colonization" was meant to convey the idea that the Jewish People would, in accordance with the Mandate, move people into a destination country which they are not natives of or where they do not possess citizenship in order to settle or reside there. It was not, as you are so desperately trying to imply, have anything to do with the intent to deny independence on behalf of a colonial power.

• It did not intend to deny the right to self-determination.
• It was NOT an armed action or repressive measures of any kind directed against dependent peoples.
• The Arab Palestinian rejected to participate in the governance process several times; three time alone in 1923.
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Dr Weizmann would have used a different word had he known, a century ago, that it would be used to inappropriately convey or imply alien subjugation, domination and exploitation constitutes a denial of fundamental human rights on the part of a foreign power. Remember the Mandate from the Allied Powers (Article 4 and 6)
shall facilitate Jewish immigration for close settlement by Jews on the land.

A little table has far less force of law than a UN Resolution you silly twat.

(COMMENT)

Obviously you did not read how the UN Special Committee on decolonization use the chart. The UN Resolution has NO FORCE OF LAW. However, the application of the resolution on behalf of the US is handled by the C-24 Special Committee. You cannot apply the Resolution to the West Bank or Gaza Strip if they are not Non-Self-Governing Territories.

If they are NSGTs, then they cannot be competent to join the ICC or any other treaty. You cannot have it both ways. You cannot claim to be a NSGT and then turn around and claim the right to enter into treaties. You cannot claim to be denied the right of self-determination and still be able to enter into treaties. You cannot claim that Israel is denying the territories the right to self-determination, and yet perform inherently governmental functions.

Most Respectfully,
R

The various Resolutions mentioned applied to Oman and Algeria prior to their independence, not only Palestine and had force of law.