Israel’s ‘Right to Exist’

[auditor0007]

Why not?

It made a lot of sense to do away with racist South Africa.

First of all, Israel is not a racist nation. While some racism may exist within the population of Israel, that does not make it a racist nation. Is the US a racist nation? There are many racists in the US, but I would not consider the US a racist nation.

Secondly, South Africa was a country where the minority ruled the majority. This is not true for Israel in any way. On top of that, Arabs have the same rights as Jews in Israel.

Seems to me you are a bit confused.

 

[auditor0007]

LOL, if Israel insisted on keeping the WB and Gaza and running over 3.5 million Palestinians without giving them equal citizenship, then I would agree that Israel maintains a apartheid system. However, that is not the case!

Israel has stated they would give up the WB and Gaza for a Palestinian State. The Palestinians in Gaza and the WB are not Israelis! Lastly, Israeli Arabs share all the same rights as Jewish Israelis except they are exempt from having to serve in the military!

But they can if they choose to. Arabs are not banned from the Israeli military; they just are not required to serve because it could force them into a situation that would be considered of great conflict.

 

[Sunni Man]

But they can if they choose to. Arabs are not banned from the Israeli military; they just are not required to serve because it could force them into a situation that would be considered of great conflict.

An Arab joining the Israeli Army would be like a Jew enlisting in the Waffen SS in Nazi Germany.

 

[auditor0007]

An Arab joining the Israeli Army would be like a Jew enlisting in the Waffen SS in Nazi Germany.

Nope; quite different. The Jews are not commiting genocide against Arabs. Oh, that's right; you don't believe the Nazis committed genocide. You are one of those Holocaust deniers.

 

[Anguille]

An Arab joining the Israeli Army would be like a Jew enlisting in the Waffen SS in Nazi Germany.

Not exactly. Some Arabs are Jewish.
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[Sunni Man]

IsraHell is a racist, fascist, apartheid state, who's Zio-nazi leaders need to be arrested and brought to trial in the World Court for genocide and crimes against humanity.

 

[Godboy]

IsraHell is a racist, fascist, apartheid state, who's Zio-nazi leaders need to be arrested and brought to trial in the World Court for genocide and crimes against humanity.

Fortunately, the rest of the world disagrees with you, so that will never happen.

 

[Sunni Man]

Fortunately, the rest of the world disagrees with you, so that will never happen.

Actually more of the world agrees with me.

The only backers Israel has is the US and most of Europe.

And that is starting to change, especially in Europe.

 

[Gurdari]

Just how did Israel "break the ceasefire" when they took 3,000 missiles before responding?

i just so love people who have a passing relationship with the truth.

Do some research, maybe I'm wrong. Here are a few links you disagree with:

Israel, not Hamas, broke ceasefire

Israel broke ceasefire by killing six - The Irish Times - Tue, Dec 30, 2008

CNN Confirms Israel Broke Ceasefire First | Sabbah

Israel, not Hamas, broke ceasefire

Israel Confirms They Broke Ceasefire First Video

Video: CNN Confirms Israel Broke Ceasefire First - Politics .com

LiveLeak.com - CNN Finally Confirms Israel Broke Ceasefire First

 

[GHook93]

IsraHell is a racist, fascist, apartheid state, who's Zio-nazi leaders need to be arrested and brought to trial in the World Court for genocide and crimes against humanity.

But Arab and Muslim societies including the Hamas and PA governments, are beacons of freedom, tolerance, diversity and love!

 

[GHook93]

Actually more of the world agrees with me.

The only backers Israel has is the US and most of Europe.

And that is starting to change, especially in Europe.

Who primarily backed the Palestinians in the Gaza Conflict?
Saudia Arabia, Sudan, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Syria, Venezuela, Bolvia. LOL all countries not known for tolerance, understanding, freedom, rather all countries known for persecuting minorities, suppressing political opposition and anything but free societies. Then you have Europe. Did you notice a trend at the pictures at the rallies? They tended to be mostly made of Arabs and Turks (in Germany's case), rather there were few White Europeans (yes there are always some leftist). 90-95% are bigoted and intolerant Muslims!

 

[Gurdari]

Isn't the largest Jewish community outside of Israel (and maybe the US) in Iran? Are they being anihilated by Ahmedinejad? Never hear too much about how they live in that nation, all I hear is NUKES! Don't let them get NUKES! Only we (and friends and a few others) can have Nukes!

 

[toomuchtime_]

Isn't the largest Jewish community outside of Israel (and maybe the US) in Iran? Are they being anihilated by Ahmedinejad? Never hear too much about how they live in that nation, all I hear is NUKES! Don't let them get NUKES! Only we (and friends and a few others) can have Nukes!

Not even close. Iran may have the largest Jewish population in the region, but globally, it is way down on the list.


The Jewish Population of the World

 

[jillian]

Not exactly. Some Arabs are Jewish.

And some Arab Israeli's (both Muslim and Christian) choose to defend the country in which they have citizenship and all the rights that go with it.

There, like here, the decision to enlist is often an economic one.

Number of Israeli Arab IDF recruits dramatically increases in 2008 - Haaretz - Israel News

 

[GHook93]

Isn't the largest Jewish community outside of Israel (and maybe the US) in Iran? Are they being anihilated by Ahmedinejad? Never hear too much about how they live in that nation, all I hear is NUKES! Don't let them get NUKES! Only we (and friends and a few others) can have Nukes!

Troll do some research! The biggest Jewish community outside of Israel in the Middle East in Iran, but its tiny around 10,000. France, UK, Australia, Canada Argentina, South Africa, Ukraine, Russia, Germany, Brazil etc. all have larger Jewish communities. Iran is the only one Muslim country in the ME that didn't expell their Jewish populations in '48 and '67, since the Shah was in Iran. If the Ayatollahs took over before '48 or '67 they would have expelled the Jews just as the Arabs did!

 

[Sunni Man]

And some Arab Israeli's (both Muslim and Christian) choose to defend the country in which they have citizenship and all the rights that go with it.

There, like here, the decision to enlist is often an economic one.

Number of Israeli Arab IDF recruits dramatically increases in 2008 - Haaretz - Israel News

The are always traitors and turncoats who will join with the enemy.

Heck there were Jews who joined the German Nazi Army.

And Blacks who joined the Confederates and fought for the South in the Civil War.

 

[bellyman]

Sunniman It;s obvious that your hatred of Israel comes from heridety (sp?)

While you can talk all you want about 'stolen land', The UN, Europe and the US helped Israel to 'steal' this land which wasn't really governed by anybody at the time anyway, so it made the task that much easier.

Fast forward 60yrs..Israeli citizens pay taxes...FOR THEIR PROTECTION. The govt of Israel has an OBLIGATION to protect its people. Did ANYONE in here or in the MSM say a peep or a word of condemnation to Hamas when 3 days this assault started, Hamas was lobbing rockets into israel. Rockets with LONGER ranges now able to hit in more populated areas. You can thank Iran for that btw..

Yes the civilian deaths are regrettable. Israel did not target them. Hamas did this for them. Hamas brought this on themselves.

The FACT that you ignore Hamas' use of rockets and targetting CIVILIANS just prior to this assualt, all the while spewing anti-semite hatred makes you a racist. Since you live in the US, let Israel, Hamas, and Hezbollah duke it out...

Israel’s ‘Right to Exist’

July 29, 2008

I have heard it for the entirety of my 61 years of life–Israel’s ‘Right To Exist’. In fact, in recent memory I have heard this phrase more than I’ve heard ‘Happy Thanksgiving’ or ‘Merry Christmas’ or even ‘Have a Good 4th of July’.

Israel seems to exist quite well. Her people have a very high living standard compared to the rest of the world. Israel has the most sophisticated armed forces in the Middle East, if indeed not the world. According to one of our former presidents, Israel is said to possess several hundred nuclear weapons and if we are to believe some of the things said by Israel’s leaders in recent years she is ready to destroy mankind if her leaders choose to do so.

Israeli’s live a very good life style, second to none. A swimming pool in every back yard on stolen land, plenty of food, jobs, stocks, cash, you name it. Their quality of life continues to grow and prosper every month of every year.

Now what I have a problem with is this–doesn’t the United States of America also have a ‘Right to Exist’?

Yes we do, but unfortunately that right is being taken away from us every second, every minute, every hour, every month and every year and all for the sake of Israel’s ‘Right To Exist’. What’s wrong with this story? Well, I’ll explain what’s wrong with it and believe me, its not that hard to figure out.

 

[Munin]

My allegance is to America and America ONLY!!

And if you are so loyal, then you would know that America is an ally of Israel and then you would not question its right to exist.

And if you were to enlist in the US army then if you would be loyal then you probably would be doing missions that support Israel.

 

[Sunni Man]

Sunniman It;s obvious that your hatred of Israel comes from heridety (sp?)

My ancestry is Irish on my fathers side and English on my mothers.

So your little theory has just failed

 

[editec]

Israel, exactly like every other nation on earth, has the right to exist because it TOOK that land and nobody has taken it away from from them.

If Palestine wants to the same right, they'll have to do the same damned thing that the Zionists did, or they'll have to appeal to the Isreali's sense of justice to find a solution that they can both live with.

Nations are NOT held to the same standard of morality as people typically are.

We can discuss history, and I am more than willing to point out where what you or I might think of as an injustice happened, but let's no pretend, shall we, that any nation on earth exists on some firm moral footing.

None of them do.

The shoirt version of ownership of that land reads like this:


Jews were on the land because they took it from the Cannites, and then their land was taken over by Rome, and then most of the Jews fled that land, and for a brief period Israel was Christianized Roman province, and then it was taken again by the Sword of the Arabs who colonized it for about 1300 years with about a 100 years interuption while the Crusaders controlled parts of it


All interesting but essantially ancient history.

Now the EUROPEAN Zionists have most recently taken that cursed place and the Arabs who'd controlled it for 1300 years lost their control over it.

Yawah doesn't give a fig who controls it.

Neither, obviously, does Allah.