Israel races to head off UN settlement 'blacklist'

[Shusha]

I apply the existing inherent rights of all peoples equally.

Nope, and you never have. You might believe that you do, but you don't.

Test me.

 

[Shusha]

abi , if you also believed they all have them it would be relatively easy to do what I asked you to do pages back and identify which land was Jewish land and why.

The best you could ask for was the map I posted from the '47 plan that was never implemented, but that is iffy as well as it was never implemented. This is what I am trying to iron out.

The starting position is that there is such a thing as Jewish land (just as there is Arab Palestinian land) If you truly start there it isn't hard to figure out the legal reasoning.

Its only difficult if you don't believe in that fundamental notion. So.....do it. What land is Jewish land and how to you arrive at that conclusion?

 

[abi]

The starting position is that there is such a thing as Jewish land.

In the zionist narrative, but not in real life. That is like saying there is Hare Krishna land.

 

[Shusha]

The starting position is that there is such a thing as Jewish land.

In the zionist narrative, but not in real life. That is like saying there is Hare Krishna land.

But you say there is Palestinian land. So why not Jewish land? Or Catalan land? Or Kurdish land? Or Tibetan land? Or Scot-land?

 

[abi]

But you say there is Palestinian land. So why not Jewish land?

Palestine is a place, Hare Krishna, a religion.

 

[Shusha]

But you say there is Palestinian land. So why not Jewish land?

Palestine is a place, Hare Krishna, a religion.

Can the Jewish people have no place, then?

 

[abi]

Can the Jewish people have no place, then?

Ideally, in whatever place they can live peacefully.

 

[rylah]

But you say there is Palestinian land. So why not Jewish land?

Palestine is a place, Hare Krishna, a religion.

If Israel is not a place, because Hare Krishna is a religion, then
England is not a place either - it's a church.

 

[rylah]

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The starting position is that there is such a thing as Jewish land.

In the zionist narrative, but not in real life. That is like saying there is Hare Krishna land.

Nope, Judean mountains are on the map, as much as the Judena desert is on the map - even the Arabs still call it as such (Sahara al-Yahudin).
Jews have too much history on the land, You won't be able to erase that.

This thread is about singling out 1 nation for discrimination.
This thread is about the inability of Arabs to give Palestinians rights in their country.
This thread is also about today's BDS supporters and their OPEN racism.

 

[P F Tinmore]

It's not a matter of "because Abbas said so". The fact is: The Arabs-Moslems rejected the UN recommendation that was Resolution 181.

Again, the mandate was never implemented. So, we are back to the real question. If the zionists were to ask any other people on earth for half of their land "because the UN voted," would any of them go for that?

Again, the Turks relinquished all rights and title to the Mandatory. There was no requirement for the Arab-Moslem squatters to give up half their land. It was not their land to "give up".

'Squatters' for centuries or am I missing something?

You're just making up nonsense claims as you go along. That may calm an emotional requirement to further your insensate Joooooo hatreds but it conflicts with the facts of the historical (as opposed to your "hysterical"), record

Was this directed at me?

Not true. The territories were ceded to the respective new states. None of it went to the Mandates.

Can you post evidence of this, please.

Can you post evidence of this, please.

NATIONALITY.
ARTICLE 30.

Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory which in accordance with the provisions of the present Treaty is detached from Turkey will become ipsofacto, in the conditions laid down by the local law, nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred.

Treaty of Lausanne - World War I Document Archive
----------------
...it held that "two principles were considered to be of paramount importance" with respect to territories that were placed under the Mandate system: "the principle of non-annexation and the principle that the well-being and development of... peoples knot yet able to govern themselves] form[ed] 'a sacred trust of civilization.

http://scholarship.law.berkeley.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1299&context=bjil

 

[P F Tinmore]

Abbas is a known psychopath...I presume you have that point of Arabphart.
So tell us who is a sane Arab leader?
Perhaps someone from Hamas?

Has there been a sane Israeli leader for that matter?

Israeli leaders have been sane enough to lead Israel from nascent State to world class economy in mere decades. It requires a dedicated UN welfare fraud to maintain the farce of Arabs-Moslems masquerading as "Pal'istanians".

Indeed, Israel is the mooch capital of the world. It could not exist without OPM.

Indeed, you are incorrect.

Israel Economy Facts & Stats

Care to compare stats with Gaza'istan?

From Rothschild to little blue boxes to Golda Meir going to the US to mooch money for the war to military aid to tax exempt "charities" supporting illegal settlements. And more.

Israel is the mooch capital of the world - a bunch of freeloaders.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE Israel races to head off UN settlement 'blacklist'
※→ P F Tinmore, Hollie, Shusha, et al,

The Map means nothing unless it is supported by evidence of substance and the reality. The Arab Palestinians must present some kind of evidence to sovereignty — apart from there declaration. —The establishes that someone actually exercises the power of government, not just say they have a right to establish such.. The reality is that there is territory. The Israelis have it, and the Arab Palestinians want to take control; but they cannot.

Because, as we already know, they are flagrant violations of international law.

But how can that be? We don't know where Israel is in keeping with international law and we don't know where Israel is in violation of international law because you don't know where Israel is. If you can't define where Israel is then you can not define where Israel is not. Therefore, you can't say she is violating international law where she is not. Because you don't know where that is.

So, just post a 1948 map of Israel and everything outside those borders is Palestine.

Indeed, another "..... because I say so", commandment.

Indeed, this is where you are expected to cut and paste a couple of snippets from the Treaty of Luasanne to bolster your claim to the "Country of Pal'istan" notwithstanding the fact that the Treaty makes no mention of such an imaginary place.

I knew you would duck that one.

(COMMENT)

For several hundred years prior to the defeat of the Ottoman Empire --- the Arab Palestinian did not exercise sovereign control. At the end of the Mandate, the successor government was passed from the British to the UN Palestine Commission.

The Israelis were able to establish a sovereign state under their full authority; and successfully defend it against the Arab League aggressors.

✪ Where and when did the Arab Palestinians establish sovereign control of any territory?
✪ When and where did the Arab Palestinians establish a government able to stand lone?
✪ Where and when did the Israelis take full control over any Arab Palestinian Sovereignty?​

There was no Arab Palestinian Sovereignty for the Israelis to take away...
There was no stand alone Arab Palestinian government for the for the Israelis to deal with.
There was no stand-alone, autonomous and self-supporting government for the Israelis to replace.

Where and when did the Israelis usurp anything from the Arab Palestinians?

I hear this argument quite frequently claiming that the Arab Palestinian has the right to defend their country. They try to use the Nationality clause in the Treaty of Lausanne. But that only establishes that the Arab Palestinians have the right to Mandate Authority Citizenship. It does not make mention of any territory or political subdivision called "Palestine;" or the distribution of such a territory.

Most Respectfully,
R

The Arab Palestinians must present some kind of evidence to sovereignty — apart from there declaration. —The establishes that someone actually exercises the power of government, not just say they have a right to establish such..

You keep trying to say that military control = sovereignty. That because the Palestinians could not mooch the weapons needed to secure their rights that they did no have any. That is incorrect. The right to sovereignty remain in the hands of the Palestinians as UN resolutions have reaffirmed.

ARTICLE 4​

​

States are juridically equal, enjoy the same rights, and have equal capacity in their exercise. The rights of each one do not depend upon the power which it possesses to assure its exercise, but upon the simple fact of its existence as a person under international law.

The Avalon Project : Convention on Rights and Duties of States (inter-American); December 26, 1933​

 

[Hollie]

Abbas is a known psychopath...I presume you have that point of Arabphart.
So tell us who is a sane Arab leader?
Perhaps someone from Hamas?

Has there been a sane Israeli leader for that matter?

Israeli leaders have been sane enough to lead Israel from nascent State to world class economy in mere decades. It requires a dedicated UN welfare fraud to maintain the farce of Arabs-Moslems masquerading as "Pal'istanians".

Indeed, Israel is the mooch capital of the world. It could not exist without OPM.

Indeed, you are incorrect.

Israel Economy Facts & Stats

Care to compare stats with Gaza'istan?

From Rothschild to little blue boxes to Golda Meir going to the US to mooch money for the war to military aid to tax exempt "charities" supporting illegal settlements. And more.

Israel is the mooch capital of the world - a bunch of freeloaders.

Obviously false.

Israel Economy Facts & Stats



On the other hand:

A Deception Named UNRWA

https://ukmediawatch.org/2012/06/28/a-deception-named-unrwa/

And the carnival carries on. UNRWA keeps a team of over 29,000 people, among whom only two hundred are not Palestinian. We are talking about a huge system, which also deals in incitement, through the education system which the organization holds. This is the UN’s biggest agency. Just for comparison, UNHCR, the commission which takes care of all the rest of the world’s refugees, keeps a much smaller team of 7,685 employees, and takes care of 34 million refugees. In UNRWA there is one worker for every 172 refugees. In the UNHCR – one worker for every 4,424 refugees. The budget per head at UNRWA is also more than double that at UNHCR. Taking into account the fact that a significant proportion of those listed are already citizens of other countries or that the lists are inflated, as in Lebanon, that means that a Palestinian “refugee” costs the international community – and especially the US – a lot more than any other refugee in the world.

 

[Hollie]

RE Israel races to head off UN settlement 'blacklist'
※→ P F Tinmore, Hollie, Shusha, et al,

The Map means nothing unless it is supported by evidence of substance and the reality. The Arab Palestinians must present some kind of evidence to sovereignty — apart from there declaration. —The establishes that someone actually exercises the power of government, not just say they have a right to establish such.. The reality is that there is territory. The Israelis have it, and the Arab Palestinians want to take control; but they cannot.

But how can that be? We don't know where Israel is in keeping with international law and we don't know where Israel is in violation of international law because you don't know where Israel is. If you can't define where Israel is then you can not define where Israel is not. Therefore, you can't say she is violating international law where she is not. Because you don't know where that is.

So, just post a 1948 map of Israel and everything outside those borders is Palestine.

Indeed, another "..... because I say so", commandment.

Indeed, this is where you are expected to cut and paste a couple of snippets from the Treaty of Luasanne to bolster your claim to the "Country of Pal'istan" notwithstanding the fact that the Treaty makes no mention of such an imaginary place.

I knew you would duck that one.

(COMMENT)

For several hundred years prior to the defeat of the Ottoman Empire --- the Arab Palestinian did not exercise sovereign control. At the end of the Mandate, the successor government was passed from the British to the UN Palestine Commission.

The Israelis were able to establish a sovereign state under their full authority; and successfully defend it against the Arab League aggressors.

✪ Where and when did the Arab Palestinians establish sovereign control of any territory?
✪ When and where did the Arab Palestinians establish a government able to stand lone?
✪ Where and when did the Israelis take full control over any Arab Palestinian Sovereignty?​

There was no Arab Palestinian Sovereignty for the Israelis to take away...
There was no stand alone Arab Palestinian government for the for the Israelis to deal with.
There was no stand-alone, autonomous and self-supporting government for the Israelis to replace.

Where and when did the Israelis usurp anything from the Arab Palestinians?

I hear this argument quite frequently claiming that the Arab Palestinian has the right to defend their country. They try to use the Nationality clause in the Treaty of Lausanne. But that only establishes that the Arab Palestinians have the right to Mandate Authority Citizenship. It does not make mention of any territory or political subdivision called "Palestine;" or the distribution of such a territory.

Most Respectfully,
R

The Arab Palestinians must present some kind of evidence to sovereignty — apart from there declaration. —The establishes that someone actually exercises the power of government, not just say they have a right to establish such..

You keep trying to say that military control = sovereignty. That because the Palestinians could not mooch the weapons needed to secure their rights that they did no have any. That is incorrect. The right to sovereignty remain in the hands of the Palestinians as UN resolutions have reaffirmed.

ARTICLE 4

States are juridically equal, enjoy the same rights, and have equal capacity in their exercise. The rights of each one do not depend upon the power which it possesses to assure its exercise, but upon the simple fact of its existence as a person under international law.

The Avalon Project : Convention on Rights and Duties of States (inter-American); December 26, 1933​

“States are juridically equal,”

When was your “Magical Kingdom of Pally’land” ever a state.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Has there been a sane Israeli leader for that matter?

Israeli leaders have been sane enough to lead Israel from nascent State to world class economy in mere decades. It requires a dedicated UN welfare fraud to maintain the farce of Arabs-Moslems masquerading as "Pal'istanians".

Indeed, Israel is the mooch capital of the world. It could not exist without OPM.

Indeed, you are incorrect.

Israel Economy Facts & Stats

Care to compare stats with Gaza'istan?

From Rothschild to little blue boxes to Golda Meir going to the US to mooch money for the war to military aid to tax exempt "charities" supporting illegal settlements. And more.

Israel is the mooch capital of the world - a bunch of freeloaders.

Obviously false.

Israel Economy Facts & Stats



On the other hand:

A Deception Named UNRWA

https://ukmediawatch.org/2012/06/28/a-deception-named-unrwa/

And the carnival carries on. UNRWA keeps a team of over 29,000 people, among whom only two hundred are not Palestinian. We are talking about a huge system, which also deals in incitement, through the education system which the organization holds. This is the UN’s biggest agency. Just for comparison, UNHCR, the commission which takes care of all the rest of the world’s refugees, keeps a much smaller team of 7,685 employees, and takes care of 34 million refugees. In UNRWA there is one worker for every 172 refugees. In the UNHCR – one worker for every 4,424 refugees. The budget per head at UNRWA is also more than double that at UNHCR. Taking into account the fact that a significant proportion of those listed are already citizens of other countries or that the lists are inflated, as in Lebanon, that means that a Palestinian “refugee” costs the international community – and especially the US – a lot more than any other refugee in the world.

Deflection.

 

[Hollie]

Israeli leaders have been sane enough to lead Israel from nascent State to world class economy in mere decades. It requires a dedicated UN welfare fraud to maintain the farce of Arabs-Moslems masquerading as "Pal'istanians".

Indeed, Israel is the mooch capital of the world. It could not exist without OPM.

Indeed, you are incorrect.

Israel Economy Facts & Stats

Care to compare stats with Gaza'istan?

From Rothschild to little blue boxes to Golda Meir going to the US to mooch money for the war to military aid to tax exempt "charities" supporting illegal settlements. And more.

Israel is the mooch capital of the world - a bunch of freeloaders.

Obviously false.

Israel Economy Facts & Stats



On the other hand:

A Deception Named UNRWA

https://ukmediawatch.org/2012/06/28/a-deception-named-unrwa/

And the carnival carries on. UNRWA keeps a team of over 29,000 people, among whom only two hundred are not Palestinian. We are talking about a huge system, which also deals in incitement, through the education system which the organization holds. This is the UN’s biggest agency. Just for comparison, UNHCR, the commission which takes care of all the rest of the world’s refugees, keeps a much smaller team of 7,685 employees, and takes care of 34 million refugees. In UNRWA there is one worker for every 172 refugees. In the UNHCR – one worker for every 4,424 refugees. The budget per head at UNRWA is also more than double that at UNHCR. Taking into account the fact that a significant proportion of those listed are already citizens of other countries or that the lists are inflated, as in Lebanon, that means that a Palestinian “refugee” costs the international community – and especially the US – a lot more than any other refugee in the world.

Deflection.

Nice duck.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE Israel races to head off UN settlement 'blacklist'
※→ P F Tinmore, Hollie, Shusha, et al,

The Map means nothing unless it is supported by evidence of substance and the reality. The Arab Palestinians must present some kind of evidence to sovereignty — apart from there declaration. —The establishes that someone actually exercises the power of government, not just say they have a right to establish such.. The reality is that there is territory. The Israelis have it, and the Arab Palestinians want to take control; but they cannot.

So, just post a 1948 map of Israel and everything outside those borders is Palestine.

Indeed, another "..... because I say so", commandment.

Indeed, this is where you are expected to cut and paste a couple of snippets from the Treaty of Luasanne to bolster your claim to the "Country of Pal'istan" notwithstanding the fact that the Treaty makes no mention of such an imaginary place.

I knew you would duck that one.

(COMMENT)

For several hundred years prior to the defeat of the Ottoman Empire --- the Arab Palestinian did not exercise sovereign control. At the end of the Mandate, the successor government was passed from the British to the UN Palestine Commission.

The Israelis were able to establish a sovereign state under their full authority; and successfully defend it against the Arab League aggressors.

✪ Where and when did the Arab Palestinians establish sovereign control of any territory?
✪ When and where did the Arab Palestinians establish a government able to stand lone?
✪ Where and when did the Israelis take full control over any Arab Palestinian Sovereignty?​

There was no Arab Palestinian Sovereignty for the Israelis to take away...
There was no stand alone Arab Palestinian government for the for the Israelis to deal with.
There was no stand-alone, autonomous and self-supporting government for the Israelis to replace.

Where and when did the Israelis usurp anything from the Arab Palestinians?

I hear this argument quite frequently claiming that the Arab Palestinian has the right to defend their country. They try to use the Nationality clause in the Treaty of Lausanne. But that only establishes that the Arab Palestinians have the right to Mandate Authority Citizenship. It does not make mention of any territory or political subdivision called "Palestine;" or the distribution of such a territory.

Most Respectfully,
R

The Arab Palestinians must present some kind of evidence to sovereignty — apart from there declaration. —The establishes that someone actually exercises the power of government, not just say they have a right to establish such..

You keep trying to say that military control = sovereignty. That because the Palestinians could not mooch the weapons needed to secure their rights that they did no have any. That is incorrect. The right to sovereignty remain in the hands of the Palestinians as UN resolutions have reaffirmed.

ARTICLE 4

States are juridically equal, enjoy the same rights, and have equal capacity in their exercise. The rights of each one do not depend upon the power which it possesses to assure its exercise, but upon the simple fact of its existence as a person under international law.

The Avalon Project : Convention on Rights and Duties of States (inter-American); December 26, 1933​

“States are juridically equal,”

When was your “Magical Kingdom of Pally’land” ever a state.

The case raised the issue of the status of those concessions following the demise of the Turkish empire, meaning that the PCIJ needed to determine what kind of entity had replaced Turkey in the territory of Palestine. The Court said that Palestine was a successor state to Turkey.

https://repository.law.umich.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=&httpsredir=1&article=1045&context=mjil​

 

[Hollie]

RE Israel races to head off UN settlement 'blacklist'
※→ P F Tinmore, Hollie, Shusha, et al,

The Map means nothing unless it is supported by evidence of substance and the reality. The Arab Palestinians must present some kind of evidence to sovereignty — apart from there declaration. —The establishes that someone actually exercises the power of government, not just say they have a right to establish such.. The reality is that there is territory. The Israelis have it, and the Arab Palestinians want to take control; but they cannot.

Indeed, another "..... because I say so", commandment.

Indeed, this is where you are expected to cut and paste a couple of snippets from the Treaty of Luasanne to bolster your claim to the "Country of Pal'istan" notwithstanding the fact that the Treaty makes no mention of such an imaginary place.

I knew you would duck that one.

(COMMENT)

For several hundred years prior to the defeat of the Ottoman Empire --- the Arab Palestinian did not exercise sovereign control. At the end of the Mandate, the successor government was passed from the British to the UN Palestine Commission.

The Israelis were able to establish a sovereign state under their full authority; and successfully defend it against the Arab League aggressors.

✪ Where and when did the Arab Palestinians establish sovereign control of any territory?
✪ When and where did the Arab Palestinians establish a government able to stand lone?
✪ Where and when did the Israelis take full control over any Arab Palestinian Sovereignty?​

There was no Arab Palestinian Sovereignty for the Israelis to take away...
There was no stand alone Arab Palestinian government for the for the Israelis to deal with.
There was no stand-alone, autonomous and self-supporting government for the Israelis to replace.

Where and when did the Israelis usurp anything from the Arab Palestinians?

I hear this argument quite frequently claiming that the Arab Palestinian has the right to defend their country. They try to use the Nationality clause in the Treaty of Lausanne. But that only establishes that the Arab Palestinians have the right to Mandate Authority Citizenship. It does not make mention of any territory or political subdivision called "Palestine;" or the distribution of such a territory.

Most Respectfully,
R

The Arab Palestinians must present some kind of evidence to sovereignty — apart from there declaration. —The establishes that someone actually exercises the power of government, not just say they have a right to establish such..

You keep trying to say that military control = sovereignty. That because the Palestinians could not mooch the weapons needed to secure their rights that they did no have any. That is incorrect. The right to sovereignty remain in the hands of the Palestinians as UN resolutions have reaffirmed.

ARTICLE 4

States are juridically equal, enjoy the same rights, and have equal capacity in their exercise. The rights of each one do not depend upon the power which it possesses to assure its exercise, but upon the simple fact of its existence as a person under international law.

The Avalon Project : Convention on Rights and Duties of States (inter-American); December 26, 1933​

“States are juridically equal,”

When was your “Magical Kingdom of Pally’land” ever a state.

The case raised the issue of the status of those concessions following the demise of the Turkish empire, meaning that the PCIJ needed to determine what kind of entity had replaced Turkey in the territory of Palestine. The Court said that Palestine was a successor state to Turkey.

https://repository.law.umich.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=&httpsredir=1&article=1045&context=mjil​

Deflection. You cut and pasted nothing more than an opinion.

 

[Hollie]

It's not a matter of "because Abbas said so". The fact is: The Arabs-Moslems rejected the UN recommendation that was Resolution 181.

Again, the mandate was never implemented. So, we are back to the real question. If the zionists were to ask any other people on earth for half of their land "because the UN voted," would any of them go for that?

Again, the Turks relinquished all rights and title to the Mandatory. There was no requirement for the Arab-Moslem squatters to give up half their land. It was not their land to "give up".

'Squatters' for centuries or am I missing something?

You're just making up nonsense claims as you go along. That may calm an emotional requirement to further your insensate Joooooo hatreds but it conflicts with the facts of the historical (as opposed to your "hysterical"), record

Was this directed at me?

Not true. The territories were ceded to the respective new states. None of it went to the Mandates.

Can you post evidence of this, please.

Can you post evidence of this, please.

NATIONALITY.
ARTICLE 30.

Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory which in accordance with the provisions of the present Treaty is detached from Turkey will become ipsofacto, in the conditions laid down by the local law, nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred.

Treaty of Lausanne - World War I Document Archive
----------------
...it held that "two principles were considered to be of paramount importance" with respect to territories that were placed under the Mandate system: "the principle of non-annexation and the principle that the well-being and development of... peoples knot yet able to govern themselves] form[ed] 'a sacred trust of civilization.

http://scholarship.law.berkeley.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1299&context=bjil

“...it held that "two principles were considered to be of paramount importance" with respect to territories that were placed under the Mandate system: "the principle of non-annexation and the principle that the well-being and development of... peoples knot yet able to govern themselves] form[ed] 'a sacred trust of civilization.”

I’ve learned to be suspicious of cutting and pasting when it’s accompanied by ellipses. So often, that reveals a tactic intended to edit, parse or omit relevant parts of the source material.

For example, the snippet above omits closing parentheses. Additionally, the term “knot” as opposed to “not” suggests that someone has decided to do some creative rewriting.

 

[RoccoR]

RE Israel races to head off UN settlement 'blacklist'
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Again, misinformation.

The Map means nothing unless it is supported by evidence of substance and the reality. The Arab Palestinians must present some kind of evidence to sovereignty — apart from there declaration. —The establishes that someone actually exercises the power of government, not just say they have a right to establish such.. The reality is that there is territory. The Israelis have it, and the Arab Palestinians want to take control; but they cannot.

Indeed, another "..... because I say so", commandment.

Indeed, this is where you are expected to cut and paste a couple of snippets from the Treaty of Luasanne to bolster your claim to the "Country of Pal'istan" notwithstanding the fact that the Treaty makes no mention of such an imaginary place.

I knew you would duck that one.

(COMMENT)

For several hundred years prior to the defeat of the Ottoman Empire --- the Arab Palestinian did not exercise sovereign control. At the end of the Mandate, the successor government was passed from the British to the UN Palestine Commission.

The Israelis were able to establish a sovereign state under their full authority; and successfully defend it against the Arab League aggressors.

✪ Where and when did the Arab Palestinians establish sovereign control of any territory?
✪ When and where did the Arab Palestinians establish a government able to stand lone?
✪ Where and when did the Israelis take full control over any Arab Palestinian Sovereignty?​

There was no Arab Palestinian Sovereignty for the Israelis to take away...
There was no stand alone Arab Palestinian government for the for the Israelis to deal with.
There was no stand-alone, autonomous and self-supporting government for the Israelis to replace.

Where and when did the Israelis usurp anything from the Arab Palestinians?

I hear this argument quite frequently claiming that the Arab Palestinian has the right to defend their country. They try to use the Nationality clause in the Treaty of Lausanne. But that only establishes that the Arab Palestinians have the right to Mandate Authority Citizenship. It does not make mention of any territory or political subdivision called "Palestine;" or the distribution of such a territory.

Most Respectfully,
R

The Arab Palestinians must present some kind of evidence to sovereignty — apart from there declaration. —The establishes that someone actually exercises the power of government, not just say they have a right to establish such..

You keep trying to say that military control = sovereignty. That because the Palestinians could not mooch the weapons needed to secure their rights that they did no have any. That is incorrect. The right to sovereignty remain in the hands of the Palestinians as UN resolutions have reaffirmed.

ARTICLE 4

States are juridically equal, enjoy the same rights, and have equal capacity in their exercise. The rights of each one do not depend upon the power which it possesses to assure its exercise, but upon the simple fact of its existence as a person under international law.

The Avalon Project : Convention on Rights and Duties of States (inter-American); December 26, 1933​

“States are juridically equal,”

When was your “Magical Kingdom of Pally’land” ever a state.

The case raised the issue of the status of those concessions following the demise of the Turkish empire, meaning that the PCIJ needed to determine what kind of entity had replaced Turkey in the territory of Palestine. The Court said that Palestine was a successor state to Turkey.

https://repository.law.umich.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=&httpsredir=1&article=1045&context=mjil​

(COMMENT)

In every bit of successful propaganda, there is a little bit of truth in it. In this case, the truth was omitted intentionally to mislead the reader. What Judgment #5 said in the proper context.

​

The Government of Palestine = HM Britannic Majesty's Government as the Mandatory for Palestine... The same is true for the hand-off from Britain to the UNPC.

✪ The memorandum, transmitted to the Commission by the British Delegation to the United Nations, sets forth the position of the Mandatory Power with respect to the question of the successor government in Palestine after the termination of the British mandate. Pertinent excerpts from the memorandum are as follows:

• 
  "Palestine is today a legal entity but it is not a sovereign state. Palestine is a territory administered under mandate by His Majesty (in respect of the United Kingdom), who is entirely responsible both for its internal administration and for its foreign affairs.
  
  "After the 15th May, 1948, Palestine will continue to be a legal entity but it will still not be a sovereign state because it will not be immediately self-governing. The authority responsible for its administration will, however, have changed.
  
  "Where the sovereignty of Palestine lies at the present time is a disputed and perhaps academic legal question about which writers have expressed a number of different conclusions. Where the sovereignty of Palestine will lie after the 15th May, 1948, is perhaps also a question on which different views will be held, but so far as His Majesty's Government are aware, it is a question which it is unnecessary to answer in connection with any practical issues.

"After the 15th May, 1948, the United Nations Commission will be the Government of Palestine. It does not seem very material whether it is considered to be the de facto or the de jure Government. In any case, its title to be the Government of Palestine will rest on the resolution of the General Assembly."​

I have often seen pro-Palestinian Interests attempt to twist the both the phrase "Government of Palestine" and the PCIJ's Judgment #5 into meaning something that it is not.

Most Respectfully,
R