Israel races to head off UN settlement 'blacklist'

[Hollie]

(A) that has nothing to do with the Arabs-Moslems rejecting the plan.

Fair enough, but the "because Abbas said so" is still odd.

(B) The Arab-Moslem squatters were not giving up half their land. The geographic area called "Pal'istan" was formerly controlled by the Turkish invaders / colonists. The Turks relinquished all rights and title to the Mandatory.

Again, the mandate was never implemented. So, we are back to the real question. If the zionists were to ask any other people on earth for half of their land "because the UN voted," would any of them go for that?

It really is what all this boils down to.

It's not a matter of "because Abbas said so". The fact is: The Arabs-Moslems rejected the UN recommendation that was Resolution 181.

You can spend all the time and energy you wish agonizing about the historical events surrounding the Mandate. Again, the Turks relinquished all rights and title to the Mandatory. There was no requirement for the Arab-Moslem squatters to give up half their land. It was not their land to "give up". You're just making up nonsense claims as you go along. That may calm an emotional requirement to further your insensate Joooooo hatreds but it conflicts with the facts of the historical (as opposed to your "hysterical"), record

Again, the Turks relinquished all rights and title to the Mandatory.

Not true. The territories were ceded to the respective new states. None of it went to the Mandates.

That you repeatedly make this false claim after being corrected many, many times suggests any number of negative connotations.


Treaty of Lausanne - World War I Document Archive

Turkey hereby renounces all rights and title whatsoever over or respecting the territories situated outside the frontiers laid down in the present Treaty and the islands other than those over which her sovereignty is recognized by the said Treaty, the future of these territories and islands being settled or to be settled by the parties concerned.


Do advise if you need help understanding the above.

 

[Shusha]

So, we are back to the real question. If the zionists were to ask any other people on earth for half of their land "because the UN voted," would any of them go for that?

It really is what all this boils down to.

It DOES boil down to this. But here's the thing. The Arabs asked for half of the Jewish people's land. And the Arabs were given it and the Jewish people accepted that. The Arabs asked for half of the remaining Jewish people's land and the Arabs were offered that. Again and again and again and again. And the Jewish people accepted that. The Arabs rejected it. In the Arab mind -- and its is absolutely reflected in the comments of Team Palestine on this board -- It doesn't matter how much land is Jewish land because the only proper answer is that there is NO Jewish land.

 

[Shusha]

Sure, anything inside their borders. That is why we need a 1948 map of Israel.

I think you dodged the question. It was not a question about legal boundaries but a question about fundamental starting points of the conversation.

 

[Shusha]

By the way, this would be the map based on the San Remo conference:

Yep. This was the area that was to be the Jewish National Home.

 

[Shusha]

Not true. The territories were ceded to the respective new states. None of it went to the Mandates.

Uh no. And you have been called out on this before. The territory in question was not ceded to anyone. It was renounced.

 

[abi]

It DOES boil down to this. But here's the thing. The Arabs asked for half of the Jewish people's land. And the Arabs were given it and the Jewish people accepted that. The Arabs asked for half of the remaining Jewish people's land and the Arabs were offered that. Again and again and again and again. And the Jewish people accepted that. The Arabs rejected it. In the Arab mind -- and its is absolutely reflected in the comments of Team Palestine on this board -- It doesn't matter how much land is Jewish land because the only proper answer is that there is NO Jewish land.

Nope, just the opposite.

 

[abi]

Yep. This was the area that was to be the Jewish National Home.

And?

 

[Shusha]

It DOES boil down to this. But here's the thing. The Arabs asked for half of the Jewish people's land. And the Arabs were given it and the Jewish people accepted that. The Arabs asked for half of the remaining Jewish people's land and the Arabs were offered that. Again and again and again and again. And the Jewish people accepted that. The Arabs rejected it. In the Arab mind -- and its is absolutely reflected in the comments of Team Palestine on this board -- It doesn't matter how much land is Jewish land because the only proper answer is that there is NO Jewish land.

Nope, just the opposite.

How so? The Jewish people asserted their rights to territory. The international community agreed to it. Half their land was given away (actually 3/4 but...). Then the Jewish community asserted their rights to the remaining territory. And half of it is assumed to have been given away.

Your argument is that the Jewish people can't have any land. That is the fundamental source of the conflict.

Prove me wrong. Tell me what land the Jewish people should have.

 

[Shusha]

Yep. This was the area that was to be the Jewish National Home.

And?

And they have rights to it.

 

[abi]

You are now confusing a UN vote that was never implemented with international law. There is no international law that guarantees to the zionists any rights to Palestine... at least based on what has been posted.

 

[Shusha]

You are now confusing a UN vote that was never implemented with international law. There is no international law that guarantees to the zionists any rights to Palestine... at least based on what has been posted.

You haven't been paying attention. The legal rights to a Jewish National Home are entrenched in Mandate for Palestine which specifically stipulates that the territory must be used for the development of a Jewish National Home.

 

[abi]

You haven't been paying attention. The legal rights to a Jewish National Home are entrenched in Mandate for Palestine which specifically stipulates that the territory must be used for the development of a Jewish National Home.

You haven't been paying attention. The legal rights were never implemented. The indigenous people basically said no. Your tale only holds water if you believe that men can give another man's land to yet another people entirely.

 

[Shusha]

You haven't been paying attention. The legal rights to a Jewish National Home are entrenched in Mandate for Palestine which specifically stipulates that the territory must be used for the development of a Jewish National Home.

You haven't been paying attention. The legal rights were never implemented. The indigenous people basically said no. Your tale only holds water if you believe that men can give another man's land to yet another people entirely.

The legal rights existed and were implemented. I am not discussing 181. I am discussing the Mandate for Palestine. The Mandate entrenched in law the Jewish peoples EXISTING INHERENT RIGHT to reconstitute their historical nation. Do you need a link? Or can you google that yourself?

 

[abi]

The legal rights existed and were implemented. I am not discussing 181. I am discussing the Mandate for Palestine. The Mandate entrenched in law the Jewish peoples EXISTING INHERENT RIGHT to reconstitute their historical nation. Do you need a link? Or can you google that yourself?

Your tale only holds water if you believe that men can give another man's land to yet another people entirely.

 

[Shusha]

The legal rights existed and were implemented. I am not discussing 181. I am discussing the Mandate for Palestine. The Mandate entrenched in law the Jewish peoples EXISTING INHERENT RIGHT to reconstitute their historical nation. Do you need a link? Or can you google that yourself?

Your tale only holds water if you believe that men can give another man's land to yet another people entirely.

Not so. My tale is based on the EXISTING INHERENT RIGHTS of all people to their historical homeland. I apply it equally to all people. The Catalans have rights. The First Nations peoples of Canada have rights. The Native Americans have rights. The Scots have rights. The Kurds have rights. The Tibetans have rights. The Jewish people have rights.

This is not a difficult concept.

 

[abi]

Not so. My tale is based on the EXISTING INHERENT RIGHTS of all people to their historical homeland. I apply it equally to all people. The Catalans have rights. The First Nations peoples of Canada have rights. The Native Americans have rights. The Scots have rights. The Kurds have rights. The Tibetans have rights. The Jewish people have rights.

This is not a difficult concept.

But you apply it moronically (with all due respect). Be honest as you compare apples to space ships.

 

[Shusha]

Not so. My tale is based on the EXISTING INHERENT RIGHTS of all people to their historical homeland. I apply it equally to all people. The Catalans have rights. The First Nations peoples of Canada have rights. The Native Americans have rights. The Scots have rights. The Kurds have rights. The Tibetans have rights. The Jewish people have rights.

This is not a difficult concept.

But you apply it moronically (with all due respect). Be honest as you compare apples to space ships.

So Catalans and First Nations and Native Americans and Scots and Kurds and Tibetans are space ships? And Jewish people are mere apples?

I apply the existing inherent rights of all peoples equally. As in -- they all have them.

 

[Shusha]

abi , if you also believed they all have them it would be relatively easy to do what I asked you to do pages back and identify which land was Jewish land and why.

 

[abi]

I apply the existing inherent rights of all peoples equally.

Nope, and you never have. You might believe that you do, but you don't.

 

[abi]

abi , if you also believed they all have them it would be relatively easy to do what I asked you to do pages back and identify which land was Jewish land and why.

The best you could ask for was the map I posted from the '47 plan that was never implemented, but that is iffy as well as it was never implemented. This is what I am trying to iron out.