Israel / Palestine Peace Plan

[Coyote]

You must have been referring to the Racist Book of Marc (for Dummies)

You wrote the book on dhummitude.

Analysis of debate with Marc:

Sources: zero
Facts: zero
Presentation: poor
Linguistic abilities: zero
Powers of persuasion: humerous
Creativity and analytical skills: marginal
Over-reliance on unsupported concepts (dummy, peabrain etc): high

Conclusion:

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[Marc39]

You must have been referring to the Racist Book of Marc (for Dummies)

You wrote the book on dhummitude.

Analysis of debate with Marc:

Sources: zero
Facts: zero
Presentation: poor
Linguistic abilities: zero
Powers of persuasion: humerous
Creativity and analytical skills: marginal
Over-reliance on unsupported concepts (dummy, peabrain etc): high

Conclusion:

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You failing me is like the Elephant Man failing Catherine Zeta Jones.

Thus, you fail, dummy.

 

[José]

Originally posted by Coyote
How can a country be a democracy when it has de facto control over territories that have say in that control.
How can a country be a democracy when different ethnic groups have different sets of rights in terms of citizenship, land ownership, schooling, building permits and the ability to expand their villages, etc etc.

The answer is - it CAN be a democracy, and is - it's just not what we think of and what we (the west) strive for - a society that is free, open, with equal rights for all groups.

Nope. The right answer is:

The ancient city-state of Athens, the United States pre-1960's, Nazi Germany, South Africa under Apartheid and the state of Israel did/does not meet the definition of the democratic state formulated by political science which includes all the points you cited among others.

Contrary to popular belief, all those states cited above were/is ethnocratic states based on the AUTHORITARIAN, DICTATORIAL political supression of the undesired ethnicity.

Pay attention to this definition of dictatorship:

Dictatorship is a form of government that has the power to govern without consent of those being governed.

Notice that the definition does not apply ONLY to those states that exclude the totality of its population from the electoral process.

Whether the whole population or just a specific ethnic group is subjected to political disenfranchisement is IRRELEVANT to the authoritarian, dictatorial nature of the state.

The jewish racial dictatorship governs and controls Western and Eastern Palestine respectively against the wishes of virtually all Palestinians both Israeli citizens (who repeatedly call for the creation of a unitary democratic state comprising the entire region of Palestine) and those living in the territories and around the world.

So Israel fits the definition above to a tee.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Originally posted by Coyote
How can a country be a democracy when it has de facto control over territories that have say in that control.
How can a country be a democracy when different ethnic groups have different sets of rights in terms of citizenship, land ownership, schooling, building permits and the ability to expand their villages, etc etc.

The answer is - it CAN be a democracy, and is - it's just not what we think of and what we (the west) strive for - a society that is free, open, with equal rights for all groups.

Nope. The right answer is:

The ancient city-state of Athens, the United States pre-1960's, Nazi Germany, South Africa under Apartheid and the state of Israel did/does not meet the definition of the democratic state formulated by political science which includes all the points you cited among others.

Contrary to popular belief, all those states cited above were/is ethnocratic states based on the AUTHORITARIAN, DICTATORIAL political supression of the undesired ethnicity.

Pay attention to this definition of dictatorship:

Dictatorship is a form of government that has the power to govern without consent of those being governed.

Notice that the definition does not apply ONLY to those states that exclude the totality of its population from the electoral process.

The jewish racial dictatorship governs and controls Western and Eastern Palestine respectively against the wishes of virtually all Palestinians both Israeli citizens (who repeatedly ask for the creation of a unitary democratic state comprising the entire region of Palestine) and those living in the territories and around the world.

So Israel fits the definition above to a tee.

Ohh Look another post by one of the board anti-semites.

 

[José]

Originally posted by RetiredGySgt
Ohh Look another post by one of the board anti-semites.

RetiredGySgt's musings on Israel:

"If I was an Israeli Jew I would have to travel abroad to XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.
But since I am a brainless bot who would passionately support Nazi Germany in a heartbeat if it happened to be a US ally in WWII I will look the other way and willfully ignore the israeli intitutionalized racism against the native people of Palestine."

No family. Please read the rules. Gunny

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Originally posted by RetiredGySgt
Ohh Look another post by one of the board anti-semites.

RetiredGySgt's musings on Israel:

"If I was an Israeli Jew I would have to travel abroad to marry my Filipina wife because my country would consider the woman I love a dirty goyim.

But since I am a brainless bot who would passionately support Nazi Germany in a heartbeat if it happened to be a US ally in WWII I will look the other way and willfully ignore the israeli intitutionalized racism against the native people of Palestine."

That is a no no dumb ass, no bringing family into discussions.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Originally posted by Coyote
How can a country be a democracy when it has de facto control over territories that have say in that control.
How can a country be a democracy when different ethnic groups have different sets of rights in terms of citizenship, land ownership, schooling, building permits and the ability to expand their villages, etc etc.

The answer is - it CAN be a democracy, and is - it's just not what we think of and what we (the west) strive for - a society that is free, open, with equal rights for all groups.

Nope. The right answer is:

The ancient city-state of Athens, the United States pre-1960's, Nazi Germany, South Africa under Apartheid and the state of Israel did/does not meet the definition of the democratic state formulated by political science which includes all the points you cited among others.

Contrary to popular belief, all those states cited above were/is ethnocratic states based on the AUTHORITARIAN, DICTATORIAL political supression of the undesired ethnicity.

Pay attention to this definition of dictatorship:

Dictatorship is a form of government that has the power to govern without consent of those being governed.

Notice that the definition does not apply ONLY to those states that exclude the totality of its population from the electoral process.

Whether the whole population or just a specific ethnic group is subjected to political disenfranchisement is IRRELEVANT to the authoritarian, dictatorial nature of the state.

The jewish racial dictatorship governs and controls Western and Eastern Palestine respectively against the wishes of virtually all Palestinians both Israeli citizens (who repeatedly call for the creation of a unitary democratic state comprising the entire region of Palestine) and those living in the territories and around the world.

So Israel fits the definition above to a tee.

Sometimes what may look like a democracy is a dictatorship. If we look at Haiti, for example, we will see a country whose president was taken out of his country on a US plane at the point of a gun. Then they had an "election" for the people to vote in a new leader.

OK, so they are going to democratically elect a new leader. The problem is that the president's party, Lavalas, that would win hands down was banned from running by our interim government. Could you call that a democracy?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Originally posted by Coyote
How can a country be a democracy when it has de facto control over territories that have say in that control.
How can a country be a democracy when different ethnic groups have different sets of rights in terms of citizenship, land ownership, schooling, building permits and the ability to expand their villages, etc etc.

The answer is - it CAN be a democracy, and is - it's just not what we think of and what we (the west) strive for - a society that is free, open, with equal rights for all groups.

Nope. The right answer is:

The ancient city-state of Athens, the United States pre-1960's, Nazi Germany, South Africa under Apartheid and the state of Israel did/does not meet the definition of the democratic state formulated by political science which includes all the points you cited among others.

Contrary to popular belief, all those states cited above were/is ethnocratic states based on the AUTHORITARIAN, DICTATORIAL political supression of the undesired ethnicity.

Pay attention to this definition of dictatorship:

Dictatorship is a form of government that has the power to govern without consent of those being governed.

Notice that the definition does not apply ONLY to those states that exclude the totality of its population from the electoral process.

Whether the whole population or just a specific ethnic group is subjected to political disenfranchisement is IRRELEVANT to the authoritarian, dictatorial nature of the state.

The jewish racial dictatorship governs and controls Western and Eastern Palestine respectively against the wishes of virtually all Palestinians both Israeli citizens (who repeatedly call for the creation of a unitary democratic state comprising the entire region of Palestine) and those living in the territories and around the world.

So Israel fits the definition above to a tee.

Sometimes what may look like a democracy is a dictatorship. If we look at Haiti, for example, we will see a country whose president was taken out of his country on a US plane at the point of a gun. Then they had an "election" for the people to vote in a new leader.

OK, so they are going to democratically elect a new leader. The problem is that the president's party, Lavalas, that would win hands down was banned from running by our interim government. Could you call that a democracy?

Moron, the Haiti situation was made by a despot with an armed mob to support him. Of course his party would win because his party had the ability to terrorize most everyone to elect him.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Nope. The right answer is:

The ancient city-state of Athens, the United States pre-1960's, Nazi Germany, South Africa under Apartheid and the state of Israel did/does not meet the definition of the democratic state formulated by political science which includes all the points you cited among others.

Contrary to popular belief, all those states cited above were/is ethnocratic states based on the AUTHORITARIAN, DICTATORIAL political supression of the undesired ethnicity.

Pay attention to this definition of dictatorship:

Dictatorship is a form of government that has the power to govern without consent of those being governed.

Notice that the definition does not apply ONLY to those states that exclude the totality of its population from the electoral process.

Whether the whole population or just a specific ethnic group is subjected to political disenfranchisement is IRRELEVANT to the authoritarian, dictatorial nature of the state.

The jewish racial dictatorship governs and controls Western and Eastern Palestine respectively against the wishes of virtually all Palestinians both Israeli citizens (who repeatedly call for the creation of a unitary democratic state comprising the entire region of Palestine) and those living in the territories and around the world.

So Israel fits the definition above to a tee.

Sometimes what may look like a democracy is a dictatorship. If we look at Haiti, for example, we will see a country whose president was taken out of his country on a US plane at the point of a gun. Then they had an "election" for the people to vote in a new leader.

OK, so they are going to democratically elect a new leader. The problem is that the president's party, Lavalas, that would win hands down was banned from running by our interim government. Could you call that a democracy?

Moron, the Haiti situation was made by a despot with an armed mob to support him. Of course his party would win because his party had the ability to terrorize most everyone to elect him.

Gee, that is not what I heard. What is your source?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Sometimes what may look like a democracy is a dictatorship. If we look at Haiti, for example, we will see a country whose president was taken out of his country on a US plane at the point of a gun. Then they had an "election" for the people to vote in a new leader.

OK, so they are going to democratically elect a new leader. The problem is that the president's party, Lavalas, that would win hands down was banned from running by our interim government. Could you call that a democracy?

Moron, the Haiti situation was made by a despot with an armed mob to support him. Of course his party would win because his party had the ability to terrorize most everyone to elect him.

Gee, that is not what I heard. What is your source?

Ohh so we did not need to send in peacekeeping forces did we? All those troops went to Haiti for a vacation? We tried an Army Lt for deserting his post cause he went to a police Station to save a kid cause he was a despot himself? We kicked the Marines out of Peacekeeping cause they got into to many fights with peace loving armed police?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Moron, the Haiti situation was made by a despot with an armed mob to support him. Of course his party would win because his party had the ability to terrorize most everyone to elect him.

Gee, that is not what I heard. What is your source?

Ohh so we did not need to send in peacekeeping forces did we? All those troops went to Haiti for a vacation? We tried an Army Lt for deserting his post cause he went to a police Station to save a kid cause he was a despot himself? We kicked the Marines out of Peacekeeping cause they got into to many fights with peace loving armed police?

Ahhh??? What is your source?

 

[José]

Originally Posted by RetiredGySgt
That is a no no dumb ass, no bringing family into discussions.

Damn... It's not like I said something terribly gross or confidential about your wife.

Lighten up a bit before you explode, Sarge : )

 

[José]

Originally Posted by P F Tinmore
Sometimes what may look like a democracy is a dictatorship. If we look at Haiti, for example, we will see a country whose president was taken out of his country on a US plane at the point of a gun. Then they had an "election" for the people to vote in a new leader.

OK, so they are going to democratically elect a new leader. The problem is that the president's party, Lavalas, that would win hands down was banned from running by our interim government. Could you call that a democracy?

The real problem, Tinmore, is that people are totally obsessed with "elections" to the point of equating them with democracy itself instead of an element of that political system. This leads to absurd conclusions like the ones we are seeing here:

South Africa and Israel, whose elections excluded more than 70% and 50% of all the people legitimately entitled to be South African and Israeli citizens can be called democratic states.

States that herd its undesirable population in ethnic enclaves denying them any kind of political participation suddenly become beacons of democracy when you accept the formula PERIODIC ELECTIONS = DEMOCRACY.

These are some of the insane conclusions you innevitably arrive at when you equate the entire democratic state with the holding of periodic elections.

The truth of the matter is that Israel lack one of the fundamental elements of the democratic state, equality before the law, without which truly democratic political representation cannot exist regardless of any electoral process.

 

[José]

The situation you described in Haiti reminded me of the banning of two israeli arab political parties on the grounds they "questioned the jewish character of the state of Israel".

The decision was later overturned by Israel's Supreme Court but only because palestinian political parties do not represent any serious threat to the "jewish character" of Israel.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Haiti and the US peace keeping.

Haiti poeacekeeping 1994

 

[Marc39]

The situation you described in Haiti reminded me of the banning of two israeli arab political parties on the grounds they "questioned the jewish character of the state of Israel".

The decision was later overturned by Israel's Supreme Court but only because palestinian political parties do not represent any serious threat to the "jewish character" of Israel.

How many Arab and Muslim countries have Jewish political parties or even have Jews in their governments? Where can we find you protesting that situation, dummy?

 

[P F Tinmore]

The situation you described in Haiti reminded me of the banning of two israeli arab political parties on the grounds they "questioned the jewish character of the state of Israel".

The decision was later overturned by Israel's Supreme Court but only because palestinian political parties do not represent any serious threat to the "jewish character" of Israel.

How many Arab and Muslim countries have Jewish political parties or even have Jews in their governments? Where can we find you protesting that situation, dummy?

Palestine has one appointed and Iran has one (maybe two) elected. There is one Jewish town in Palestine and their local officials are probably Jews.

 

[CMike]

The situation you described in Haiti reminded me of the banning of two israeli arab political parties on the grounds they "questioned the jewish character of the state of Israel".

The decision was later overturned by Israel's Supreme Court but only because palestinian political parties do not represent any serious threat to the "jewish character" of Israel.

How many Arab and Muslim countries have Jewish political parties or even have Jews in their governments? Where can we find you protesting that situation, dummy?

Palestine has one appointed and Iran has one (maybe two) elected. There is one Jewish town in Palestine and their local officials are probably Jews.

Palestine doesn't exist so that's impossible.

 

[Marc39]

Palestine has one appointed and Iran has one (maybe two) elected. There is one Jewish town in Palestine and their local officials are probably Jews.

Um, there is one Jewish state in Palestine, retard. Palestine is not a country, moron.

 

[Coyote]

Palestine has one appointed and Iran has one (maybe two) elected. There is one Jewish town in Palestine and their local officials are probably Jews.

Um, there is one Jewish state in Palestine, retard. Palestine is not a country, moron.

....and Israel wasn't a country before 1948 retard. Why do you keep bringing up the tired old argument that "Palestine" doesn't exist?