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Because you are incapable of discerning who is and is not a mental midget based on your own limitations.
I did not make the definition. Here is another:
Oxford English Dictionary
Ethnic
a[djective]
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2.a. Pertaining to race; peculiar to a race or nation; ethnological. Also, pertaining to or having common racial, cultural, religious, or linguistic characteristics, esp. designating a racial or other group within a larger system; hence (U.S. colloq.), foreign, exotic.
b ethnic minority (group), a group of people differentiated from the rest of the community by racial origins or cultural background, and usu. claiming or enjoying official recognition of their group identity. Also attrib.
n[oun]
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3 A member of an ethnic group or minority. orig. U.S.
Oxford English Dictionary "ethnic, a. and n."[23]
Unlike Lutherans, Jews also defined themselves through matrilineal heritage. Unlike your condo association members - Jews do share a distinctive culture, religion and even language.
You can't have it both ways - you can't define yourself as an ethnic group for the purposes of minority protections against discrimmination on the one hand yet claim not be an ethnic group for the purposes of denying those same protections to another group by trying to claim they are all the same.
It amazes me the lengths you will go to defend a system that is inherently wrong.
Wow what an ignoramus you are. But we knew that already.
It doesn't matter whether you wrote the definition or not. You are the one quoting it to bolster your case. You are responsible for it. And it fails.
Israelis do not define themselves through matrilineal descent. The Law of Return allows anyone with a Jewish grandparent to become a citizen. That isn't Judaism. And I already pointed out that Ethiopian Israelis, Yemenite Israelis, American Israelis and FSU Israelis hardly share the same language, customs, foods or any other marker of an ethnic group.
The system (whatever that means) is not inherently wrong. It is only wrong to morons like you who want to see every conflict as a replay of some other conflict they may or may not understand.
You are hilarious. And stupid. But I'll forgive you that and assume it's only willful arrogance from a pretend Rabbi.
We were not talking about Israeli's as an "ethnic group". We were talking about Jews as an "ethnic group". Nothing you said changes anything thus far nor does it change the status Jews as an ethnic group and the non-Jewish Arab-Israeli as a seperate ethnic group.
Even if we go with your claim - notice that Israeli's still require some form of blood relation.
Keep moving those goalposts. Eventually you'll get it right.
Your claim is that Israel is an ethno-tyrrany or whatever you call it. I merely point out that "Israeli" refers to a nationality. There is nothing ethnic about it.
So "Israelis" have more rights in Israel than non-Israelis. Big furry deal. Every nation accords more rights to its own citizens than to non citizens.
You can spin it, slice it, dice it any way you want. But the more you do that,the more ignorant and foolish you look.
There is no such thing as an Israeli citizen. There are Arab Israeli Citizens and Jewish Israeli Citizens. That is how they are classified.
They do not have the same rights in regards to land ownership, immigration, family reunification, right of return or military service.
That is the similarity I see with Apartheid.
for something to be 'apartheid', there has to be a separation of ones CITIZENS. Arab Israelis have all of the rights of citizenship except they have the right to opt out of military service, which Jews aren't allowed to do.
you should also know, that's one of those phrases/words that have meanings that tell us, when reading them, that the person who makes that analogy has issues with Israel that have nothing to do with fairness...
pals aren't israelis. they have no rights of citizenship because they aren't citizens... any more that controlling our borders makes us 'apartheid'.
Apartheid in South Africa did not seperate citizens. Blacks were regarded as citizens of "homelands" - semi autonomous areas within South Africa (naturally - the poorest and most inhospitable areas).
That has some similarity to the Palestinians in occupied territories and Arabs within Israel.
When it comes to Arab Israeli citizens there is a de-facto segregation. Israeli communities have a say in who can and can't live there, Arabs have arab schools, usually with considerably less funding -(though it's not just with Arab Israeli's where this occurs, but certain Jewish Israeli groups as well) and the Jewish Israeli's have their schools which are better funded. While Israeli Jewish communities and enclaves can readily get permits to expand, Arab villages can not. How many new Arab villages have been built since statehood? How many Jewish villages?
I'm not calling it apartheid, but I do see similarities and that is how I said it - and those similarities shouldn't be ignored.
South African blacks weren't citizens either.
The ambigous status of the Palestinians is a mess for Israel's desire for the moral highground here because they are there - they have no self-determiniation, no rights, no citizenship. That's a reality.
Israeli communities have a say in who can and can't live there, Arabs have arab schools, usually with considerably less funding -(though it's not just with Arab Israeli's where this occurs, but certain Jewish Israeli groups as well) and the Jewish Israeli's have their schools which are better funded. While Israeli Jewish communities and enclaves can readily get permits to expand, Arab villages can not. How many new Arab villages have been built since statehood? How many Jewish villages?
There is no such thing as an Israeli citizen. There are Arab Israeli Citizens and Jewish Israeli Citizens. That is how they are classified.
Wrong, dummy.
There are Israeli citizens. I live in Israel. You are an ignorant moron.
They do not have the same rights in regards to land ownership, immigration, family reunification, right of return or military service.
Wrong, again, dummy. Non-Jews have the same rights of land ownership, immigration and military service.
In addition, The Citizenship and Entry into Israel Law (Temporary Order) 5763 makes inhabitants of the West Bank and Gaza Strip ineligible for the automatic granting of Israeli citizenship and residency permits that is usually available through marriage to an Israeli citizen. The law originated in a 2002 Cabinet order freezing the issuance of citizenship on family reunification grounds between Israeli citizens and residents of areas governed by the Palestinian Authority.
In fact, Bedouins have privileges not accorded to Jews in property ownership and leasing. Arabs haveleadership positions in the military, as well as in government, the judiciary and in academia.
You are utterly clueless.
The argument between the Bedouin and the government of Israel is part of an ongoing and worsening conflict over land in the Negev. The Bedouin claim that all 12 million dunams [three million acres] in the Negev are rightfully theirs. A total of 90,000 Bedouin were living in the Negev when Israel was established. During the War of Independence, most fled or were expelled to Egypt and Jordan, leaving 11,000 Bedouin within Israel's boundaries. In the `50s and the `60s, the Bedouin were forcibly moved to a "restricted area" in the northern Negev. One of the goals of concentrating the Bedouin population was to stop nomadic movement and create permanent settlements.
By the `90s, seven Bedouin townships were established, but with no employment infrastructure. These townships now have the highest unemployment rate in Israel. Al-Krenawi, a resident of the Bedouin city of Rahat, says that oppression, discrimination, neglect and inequality are the major causes of alienation in the Bedouin population in Israel.
Forum Hakara, a coalition of Israeli human rights and peace organizations that promotes Bedouin rights, published statistics in July 2003 listing the Bedouin population in the Negev as 140,000. Half of this population lives in the seven townships established by the Israeli government. The other half lives in 46 unrecognized villages called the p'zura [dispersion].
They now hold 300,000 dunams, and are struggling to retain lands still in dispute. The Bedouin are willing to settle for recognition of their ownership of an additional 1 million dunams. The argument involves the extent of compensation for lost land in the disputed area. The government is willing to come to a compromise with them and pay $85 per dunam for land of undetermined ownership. The Bedouin, who are currently demanding NIS 10 billion in compensation, consider this offer to be an insult.
Prior to the establishment of Israel in 1948, there were an estimated 65,000-90,000 Bedouin living in the Negev.[52] The 11,000 who remained were relocated by the Israeli government in the 1950s and 1960s to an area called the siyag ("enclosure" or, "fence") made up of relatively infertile land in the northeastern Negev comprising 10% of the Negev desert.[52] Negev Bedouins, like the rest of the Arab population in Israel, lived under military rule up to 1966, after which restrictions were lifted and they were free to move outside the siyag as well. However, even after 1966 they were not free to reside outside of the siyag; they came to reside within 2% of the Negev[53] and never returned to their former range. Seven government-built townships were established in the siyag area where roughly half of Israel's Bedouin population live today,[52] centered around the largest legal Bedouin locality in Israel, Rahat. The Israeli government encourages Bedouin to settle as permanent residents in these development towns, but the other half of the Negev Bedouin population continues to live in 45 "unrecognized villages," some of which predate the existence of Israel.[52] These villages do not appear on any commercial maps, and are denied basic services like water, electricity, and schools. It is forbidden by the Israeli authorities for the residents of these villages to build permanent structures, though many do, risking fines and home demolition
Apartheid in South Africa did not seperate citizens. Blacks were regarded as citizens of "homelands" - semi autonomous areas within South Africa (naturally - the poorest and most inhospitable areas).
Wrong. Blacks were separated from Whites under apartheid, including bathrooms and even the use of water fountains.
Wrong. Palestinians are not occupied. There is no sovereign Palestinian state and, indeed, Israel has legitimate legal and historical claims to the territory.
Under international treaties, Israelis may reside throughout the territories.
Furthermore, Israeli Arabs are accorded full freedoms, human rights and civil liberties.
You clearly have absolutely no insight into Israel, so, why are you even bothering to post?
Further evidence you are clueless about Israeli society. Arabs self-segregate into Arab communities, not unlike any other group throughout the world. In New York, there is Chinatown and Little Italy, where Asians and Italians choose to live.
There are no similarities, whatsoever. Blacks were denied the vote in apartheid South Africa. Non-Jews in Israel can vote and, indeed, are well-represented in government.
There are Israeli Arab millionaires. Israeli Arab media. Israeli Arab businesses. Arab and Muslim universities. No such opportunities existed for Blacks in South Africa.
You really need to be educated.
South African blacks weren't citizens either.
South African Blacks lived in South Africa. Pallies do not live in Israel.
Pallies do not have ambiguous status. They are occupiers in the West Bank and Gaza.
better not tell them that or they might move back to their homeland in Israel.
Dummy, Arab communities have a say on who can and cannot live there. There are Arab sections in Jerusalem where Jews are vulnerable to sniper fire if entered.
As for Arab schools receiving smaller budgets, this is a municipal issue, not an Israeli government issue. Arab schools receive less funding because Arabs do not pay their taxes. Arab communities are hundreds of millions of dollars in arrears, so, naturally, they will suffer when budgets are allocated.
You are one of the most uninformed people I've come across.
Keep spinning it. Keep pretending you know what you're talking about. The more you post, the more idiotic you sound.
1) There are Israeli arabs who are full citizens and have representatives in the Israeli parliament
1) There are Israeli arabs who are full citizens and have representatives in the Israeli parliament
Can you explain why Arab Israeli's do not have the same rights as Jewish Israeli's?
Also on a case-by-case basis I would be for arabs living in judea and samaria being full Israeli citizens as long as they serve in the IDF and swear an oath to Israel like the rest of the Israeli citizens.
Also on a case-by-case basis I would be for arabs living in judea and samaria being full Israeli citizens as long as they serve in the IDF and swear an oath to Israel like the rest of the Israeli citizens.
Do the rest of Israeli citizens swear an oath to Israel?
1) There are Israeli arabs who are full citizens and have representatives in the Israeli parliament
Can you explain why Arab Israeli's do not have the same rights as Jewish Israeli's?
They do, and are represented in Parliament.
