Israel or Iran. What's your choice?

[francoHFW]

No he just agreed with the whacko RWers in the crowd, just like Obama has to pay lip service to OUR whacko RWers- Now trying to screw this deal between moderates up, before it's even revealed- along with a-hole ISRAELI RWers...A disgrace and idiotic horror every time...

I agree with your cynicism most of the time.
I am wondering if Obama will bitch-slap Bibi on the way out of town by withholding a US veto at the UN on the State of Palestine?

I certainly hope so, and soon- The Palestininians have been totally screwed by Israel FOREVER.

 

[healthmyths]

The Israeli military has provided estimates that Hamas spent around $30 to $90 million, and poured 600,000 tons of concrete, in order to build three dozen tunnels

"The tunnels into Israel were constructed using the expertise of the Rafah families who have specialized in digging tunnels into Egypt for commerce and smuggling,[20] and have been described by former Hamas Prime Minister Ismail Haniya as representative of 'a new strategy in confronting the occupation and in the conflict with the enemy from underground and from above the ground.'"

When Jews end their illegal occupation of Palestine, Arabs in Gaza will start building above ground. Until then, Arabs have a legal right to resist occupation while Jews have no right to impose one.

Palestinian tunnel warfare in the Gaza Strip - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Obviously you are too young to remember the -Six Day war in 1967???
Relations between Israel and its neighbours had never fully normalized following the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, and in the period leading up to June 1967 tensions became dangerously heightened.
As a result, following the mobilisation of Egyptian forces along the Israeli border in the Sinai Peninsula, Israel launched a series of preemptive airstrikes against Egyptian airfields on June 5.
The Egyptians, whose defensive infrastructure was in a poor state, were caught by surprise and virtually the entire Egyptian air force was destroyed with few Israeli losses, giving the Israelis air superiority.
Simultaneously, the Israelis launched a ground offensive into the Gaza strip and through the northern and central routes of the Sinai, which again caught the Egyptians by surprise.
After some initial resistance, the Egyptian leader, Gamal Abdel Nasser, ordered the evacuation of the Sinai.
On June 6 and 7, Israeli forces rushed westward in pursuit of the Egyptians whose retreat was disorganized and chaotic.
The Israelis inflicted heavy losses on the retreating Egyptian forces. By June 7 the Israelis had reached the Suez canal and had taken Sharm el Sheikh in the south of the peninsula. Conquest of the Sinai was completed on June 8 when Israeli forces reached the peninsula's western coast.

On June 5, Nasser had induced Syria and Jordan to begin attacks on Israel by using the initially confused situation to claim that Egypt had defeated the Israeli air strike. In the afternoon of June 5, Israel retaliated against Jordan by launching an offensive to encircle East Jerusalem. Initially, Israeli forces held back from moving into the Old City for a number of reasons including potentially negative international reaction. However on June 7 the Israeli Minister of Defense, Moshe Dayan, gave the order to attack. After heavy fighting, the Israelis completed the conquest of the city later that day. Also on June 7, Israeli forces seized the West Bank cities of Nablus and Bethlehem from the Jordanians. When King Husseinordered the Jordanian forces to retreat across the River Jordan, the Israeli forces occupied the rest of the West Bank unopposed. Israel's retaliation against Syria on June 5 took the form of an air strike in the evening which destroyed two-thirds of the Syrian air force, giving the Israelis air superiority over the Syrians. On June 9, Dayan ordered a ground invasion of the Golan Heights. Despite an extensive fortifications system and heavy fighting, the Israelis broke through the Syrian first line of defense. By June 10, Israeli forces had taken the Golan plateau and the Syrians had retreated eastward behind the ceasefire "purple line".

On June 11, a ceasefire was signed. Arab casualties were far heavier than that of Israel: less than a thousand Israelis had been killed compared to over 20,000 from the Arab forces. Israel's military success was attributable to the element of surprise, an innovative and well executed battle plan and the poor quality and leadership of the Arab forces. Israel seized control of the Gaza Strip and the Sinai Peninsula (from Egypt), the West Bank and East Jerusalem (from Jordan) and the Golan Heights (from Syria). The area under Israeli control tripled, significantly contributing to the country's defensibility, as would be shown in the subsequent Yom Kippur War. Although Israeli morale and international prestige was greatly increased by the outcome of the war, the resulting displacement of civilian populations would have long-term consequences. 300,000 Palestinians fled the West Bank and about 100,000 Syrians left the Golan to become refugees. Across the Arab world, Jewish minority communities were expelled. Israel made peace with Egypt following the Camp David Accords of 1978 and completeď a staged withdrawal from the Sinai in 1982. However, the position of the other occupied territories became a long-standing and bitter cause of conflict between Israel and the Palestinians, and the Arab world in general.
Six-Day War - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Sad how LIPs like you still don't comprehend that the Palestinians want Israel destroyed. Israel on the other hand has no intention. I mean Israel has nuclear
capabilities to turn Gaza into glass! So why haven't they? Why have they endured the rocket attacks,etc.?
Nuclear weapons and Israel - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[francoHFW]

So why have the Israelis wrecked their Arabs since 1948, and refuse to allow their economy to develop?

 

[georgephillip]

I certainly hope so, and soon- The Palestininians have been totally screwed by Israel FOREVER.

The majority of Israeli Jews now vote for unrepentant racists, not unlike the majority of White South Africans a generation ago.

They have a common solution:

"Israel’s final ditching of the so-called 'peace process' sham should deny world governments any excuse for not imposing sanctions against Israel, starting with a long overdue military embargo.

"The convincing victory of the so-called 'national camp,' a coalition of settler movements, Likud and their fanatic right partners, is seen by most Palestinians as a strong vote for perpetual Israeli occupation, colonization and apartheid.

"It is also an opportunity to further isolate Israel, mainly through the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) movement as well as prosecution of Israeli war criminal at the International Criminal Court."

Israel votes for permanent occupation and apartheid it must face international isolation BDSmovement.net

 

[georgephillip]

Sad how LIPs like you still don't comprehend that the Palestinians want Israel destroyed. Israel on the other hand has no intention

How many Jewish homes have Palestinians destroyed since '67?

"Homes Demolished in Israel and Palestine
0 Israeli homes have been demolished by Palestinians,
and over 28,000 Palestinian homes have been demolished
by Israel since 1967."

Jews want all the land of Palestine for themselves; why are you oblivious to that historical fact?

Israeli and Palestinian Homes Demolished since September 29 2000

 

[georgephillip]

Obviously you are too young to remember the -Six Day war in 1967???
Relations between Israel and its neighbours had never fully normalized following the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, and in the period leading up to June 1967 tensions became dangerously heightened.

I turned 20 in 1967.
You??
Relations between Israel and its neighbors never fully normalized after 1948 because that's when 650,000 Jews inflicted their state upon 1.3 million non-Arabs, driving over 700,000 Arabs into those neighboring states.

Have you heard of al-Nakba?

1948 Palestinian exodus - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[High_Gravity]

Israel. Next question.

 

[healthmyths]

Obviously you are too young to remember the -Six Day war in 1967???
Relations between Israel and its neighbours had never fully normalized following the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, and in the period leading up to June 1967 tensions became dangerously heightened.

I turned 20 in 1967.
You??
Relations between Israel and its neighbors never fully normalized after 1948 because that's when 650,000 Jews inflicted their state upon 1.3 million non-Arabs, driving over 700,000 Arabs into those neighboring states.

Have you heard of al-Nakba?

1948 Palestinian exodus - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

The history of the Jews and Judaism can be divided into five periods: (1) ancient Israel before Judaism, from the beginnings to 586 BCE; (2) the beginning of Judaism in the 6th and 5th centuries BCE; (3) the formation of rabbinic Judaism after the destruction of the Second Temple in 70 CE; (4) the age of rabbinic Judaism, from the ascension of Christianity to political power under the emperor Constantine the Great in 312 CE to the end of the political hegemony of Christianity in the 18th century; and (5), the age of diverse Judaisms, from the French and American Revolutions to the present.[2]
Jewish history - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
Nearly 2500 years before the 1948 state was established there was a Jewish state in the land they now call their home!!!

 

[georgephillip]

On June 9, Dayan ordered a ground invasion of the Golan Heights. Despite an ex

What happened on June 8, 1967?
"On June 8, 1967, US Navy intelligence ship USS Liberty was suddenly and brutally attacked on the high seas in international waters by the air and naval forces of Israel. The Israeli forces attacked with full knowledge that this was an American ship and lied about it. Survivors have been forbidden for 40 years to tell their story under oath to the American public. The USS Liberty Memorial web site tells their story and is dedicated to the memory of the 34 brave men who died."
The Liberty was gathering intelligence and may have uncovered Israel's plan to invade Golan AFTER the Syrian government had ended hostilities.
USS Liberty Memorial

 

[georgephillip]

Nearly 2500 years before the 1948 state was established there was a Jewish state in the land they now call their home!!!

Why are Jews alone entitled to land their ancestors lived on 2500 years ago?

 

[healthmyths]

Nearly 2500 years before the 1948 state was established there was a Jewish state in the land they now call their home!!!

Why are Jews alone entitled to land their ancestors lived on 2500 years ago?

Maybe this will help...

 

[georgephillip]

Nearly 2500 years before the 1948 state was established there was a Jewish state in the land they now call their home!!!

Why are Jews alone entitled to land their ancestors lived on 2500 years ago?

Maybe this will help...
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The Arabs weren't responsible the holocaust.
Why are Jews alone, among all nations of this world, entitled to land their ancestors grazed their goats on thousands of years ago?

 

[healthmyths]

Nearly 2500 years before the 1948 state was established there was a Jewish state in the land they now call their home!!!

Why are Jews alone entitled to land their ancestors lived on 2500 years ago?

Maybe this will help...
View attachment 38434

The Arabs weren't responsible the holocaust.
Why are Jews alone, among all nations of this world, entitled to land their ancestors grazed their goats on thousands of years ago?

You are arguing a situation that occurred BEFORE the UN became the world arbitrator.
Today this would not happen.
But the facts are Israel state was re-established on the land they had 2500 years ago.

BUT Palestinians would be goat herding today on that land which is the home for an economy As of 2013, Israel ranks 19th among 187 nations on the UN's Human Development Index, which places it in the category of "Very Highly Developed".
Economy of Israel - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

So you are in favor of the 19th ranked country being dismantled in favor of goat herders??

 

[georgephillip]

You are arguing a situation that occurred BEFORE the UN became the world arbitrator.
Today this would not happen.
But the facts are Israel state was re-established on the land they had 2500 years ago.

No. Jews didn't reestablish a state on land they occupied 2500 years ago. Jews stole the homes, businesses, farms and bank accounts of Arabs who had been living on their land for generations and then gave those Arab assets to Jews from Europe. Whatever happened 2500 years ago in Palestine has no more legitimacy than what happened in North America thousands of years ago.

 

[BlindBoo]

Nearly 2500 years before the 1948 state was established there was a Jewish state in the land they now call their home!!!

Why are Jews alone entitled to land their ancestors lived on 2500 years ago?

Why are Jews alone entitled to land their ancestors lived on 2500 years ago?

Weapons mostly.

 

[georgephillip]

Weapons mostly.

Might makes right?

 

[healthmyths]

You are arguing a situation that occurred BEFORE the UN became the world arbitrator.
Today this would not happen.
But the facts are Israel state was re-established on the land they had 2500 years ago.

No. Jews didn't reestablish a state on land they occupied 2500 years ago. Jews stole the homes, businesses, farms and bank accounts of Arabs who had been living on their land for generations and then gave those Arab assets to Jews from Europe. Whatever happened 2500 years ago in Palestine has no more legitimacy than what happened in North America thousands of years ago.

NOW PLEASE prove as I have that your generalizations, your exaggerations, your total fabrications are true by supplying links and proof.
I will prove though YOU are a LIP!

MYTH
“The Jews had no intention of living peacefully with their Arab neighbors.”
FACT
In numerous instances, Jewish leaders urged the Arabs to remain in Palestine and become citizens of Israel. The Assembly of Palestine Jewry issued this appeal on October 2, 1947:
We will do everything in our power to maintain peace, and establish a cooperation gainful to both [Jews and Arabs]. It is now, here and now, from Jerusalem itself, that a call must go out to the Arab nations to join forces with Jewry and the destined Jewish State and work shoulder to shoulder for our common good, for the peace and progress of sovereign equals. 6
On November 30, the day after the UN partition vote, the Jewish Agency announced: “The main theme behind the spontaneous celebrations we are witnessing today is our community’s desire to seek peace and its determination to achieve fruitful cooperation with the Arabs. . . .” 7
Israel’s Proclamation of Independence, issued May 14, 1948, also invited the Palestinians to remain in their homes and become equal citizens in the new state:
In the midst of wanton aggression, we yet call upon the Arab inhabitants of the State of Israel to preserve the ways of peace and play their part in the development of the State, on the basis of full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its bodies and institutions. . . . We extend our hand in peace and neighborliness to all the neighboring states and their peoples, and invite them to cooperate with the independent Jewish nation for the common good of all.

MYTH
“Arab leaders never encouraged the Palestinians to flee.”
FACT
Despite revisionist historical attempts to deny that Palestinians were encouraged to leave their homes, a plethora of evidence demonstrates that the Palestinians who later became refugees were indeed told to leave their homes to make way for the invading Arab armies. In fact, in recent years, more Palestinians have come forward to candidly admit this truth.

The Economist, a frequent critic of the Zionists, reported on October 2, 1948: “Of the 62,000 Arabs who formerly lived in Haifa not more than 5,000 or 6,000 remained. Various factors influenced their decision to seek safety in flight. There is but little doubt that the most potent of the factors were the announcements made over the air by the Higher Arab Executive, urging the Arabs to quit. . . . It was clearly intimated that those Arabs who remained in Haifa and accepted Jewish protection would be regarded as renegades.”

MYTH
“Israel refused to allow Palestinians to return to their homes so Jews could steal their property.”

FACT
Israel could not simply agree to allow all Palestinians to return, but consistently sought a solution to the refugee problem. Israel’s position was expressed by David Ben-Gurion (August 1, 1948):
When the Arab states are ready to conclude a peace treaty with Israel this question will come up for constructive solution as part of the general settlement, and with due regard to our counter-claims in respect of the destruction of Jewish life and property, the long-term interest of the Jewish and Arab populations, the stability of the State of Israel and the durability of the basis of peace between it and its neighbors, the actual position and fate of the Jewish communities in the Arab countries, the responsibilities of the Arab governments for their war of aggression and their liability for reparation, will all be relevant in the question whether, to what extent, and under what conditions, the former Arab residents of the territory of Israel should be allowed to return. 60

The Israeli government was not indifferent to the plight of the refugees; an ordinance was passed creating a Custodian of Abandoned Property “to prevent unlawful occupation of empty houses and business premises, to administer ownerless property, and also to secure tilling of deserted fields, and save the crops. . . .” 61

The implied danger of repatriation did not prevent Israel from allowing some refugees to return and offering to take back a substantial number as a condition for signing a peace treaty. In 1949, Israel offered to allow families that had been separated during the war to return, to release refugee accounts frozen in Israeli banks (eventually released in 1953), to pay compensation for abandoned lands and to repatriate 100,000 refugees. 62

The Arabs rejected all the Israeli compromises. They were unwilling to take any action that might be construed as recognition of Israel. They made repatriation a precondition for negotiations, something Israel rejected. The result was the confinement of the refugees in camps.

Despite the position taken by the Arab states, Israel did release the Arab refugees’ blocked bank accounts, which totaled more than $10 million, paid thousands of claimants cash compensation and granted thousands of acres as alternative holdings.


Myths Facts Refugees Chapter 12 Jewish Virtual Library

 

[BlindBoo]

Might makes right?

Did I say right?

Could also be taken as live by the sword, die by the sword.

There was a warning in the Peel Report in 1938 I think, it was about a Partition Plan for the Palestine Mandate. It warned that if a partition was put in place by force of arms, then it will forever require arms to enforce the partition.

 

[kaz]

Can't reason with anti-Semites

The above from someone who probably bristles to be possibly called a "racist" for blatantly hating Obama.

Well, race whore, so just to be clear, your hatred of W is his skin color? It has nothing to do with his policies? That is your standard?

 

[quorthon]

Aggression against IRAN??? WHERE???

Don't shout like that and you'll save your teeth
Read from this if you like history Iran United States relations - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia