"Israel Made the Desert Bloom" is a Myth, They Stole the Land from Farmers Who Were Already There for Hundreds of Years

I wish that our parasitic gaggle of disloyal "Israel Firsters" would explain how one can be equally loyal to both their wife and mistress.

I can hear it now:

"But, honey, I love you just as much as my girlfriend."

An honest man can be loyal to only one country at a time.

Thanks,
I am not Jewish. Nevertheless, I am more concerned with the safety and well being of Israel than I am of the safety and well being of the United States. This is because the United States is safe, but Israel has always risked destruction and the annihilation of the Jews living there. As a Christian I know that Jesus was and Christ is a Jew. Christianity began as a Jewish sect. The first Bishop of Jerusalem was St. James. He was Jesus' next oldest brother - or half brother if one believes in the virgin birth. St. James may have written the epistle attributed to him. I find it more appealing than St. Paul's epistles. St. James practiced the Law of Moses (AKA, the Torah) every day until his martyrdom.

I am of the right age to have fought in Israel's Six Day War and our War in Vietnam. Initially I supported the War in Vietnam. As I learned more about it, I turned against it. I would have welcomed the opportunity to fight in the Six Day War.
 
But a man can be equally loyal to two friends.


That''s true but my first thought is that friends are not countries that have entirely different needs, interests, challenges and goals.

When those two hypothetical friends you mention fight or have conflicting interests, then you will be required to choose sides.

A person can be a patriot to only one country at a time.

America's one sided and unholy "alliance" with Israel is severely detrimental to both countries in that unconditional support of each and every Israeli atrocity, crime against humanity and act of aggression is responsible for Israel's current pariah status and genocidal Netanyahu regime.

Without America's countless $ Trillions and endless supply of our most sophisticated weaponry, Israel's aggressive, genocidal and expansionist Zionist governments would have some incentive to make peace.

Currently, it neither wants or needs peace. (1)

As it is now, influential and parasitic Israeli lobbies ensure that Israel is rewarded for its genocide, expansionism and even betrayal. (2)

Along with Israel's nuclear blackmail,(3) unregistered Israeli lobbies continue to cost loyal Americans dearly in blood, countless $ Trillions and a soiled reputation.

Finally, this same forced and artificial "alliance" is so grossly one sided that Israelis even regard their supporters as " inherently dupable" or suckers. (4), (5)


“Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away.” - Benjamin Netanyahu


(1). "Israel Does Not Want Peace"
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-does-not-want-peace-1.5253291

EXCERPT "Rejectionism is embedded in Israel's most primal beliefs. There, at the deepest level, lies the concept that this land is destined for the Jews alone.

Israel does not want peace. There is nothing I have ever written that I would be happier to be proved wrong about. But the evidence is piling up. In fact, it can be said that Israel has never wanted peace – a just peace, that is, one based on a just compromise for both sides.

The single most overwhelming item of evidence of Israel’s rejection of peace is, of course, the settlements project. From the dawn of its existence, there has never been a more reliable or more precise litmus test for Israel’s true intentions than this particular enterprise. In plain words: The builders of settlements want to consolidate the occupation, and those who want to consolidate the occupation do not want peace. That’s the whole story in a nutshell." CONTINUED


(2). "How Israel Has Betrayed America"
https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2014/06/06/how-israel-has-betrayed-america/

EXCERPT "A recent report by Newsweek magazine that Israel has spied on the United States at “an alarming level” and has done so “more than any other ally does” raises a very serious issue concerning how much Israel has betrayed America, which is something that the American mainstream media have time and again refused to debate in public." CONTINUED


(3). “The Samson Option: Israel's Nuclear Arsenal And American Foreign Policy"

EXCERPT "Hersh argues that it is virtually certain that Israel received accelerated aid from the United States during the 1973 Yom Kippuf War by "nuclear blackmail," i.e., threatening to use nuclear weapons against the Arab foes" CONTINUED


(4). “What Do Israelis Think About Americans? Start With Disdain.”

EXCERPT "Though Israel is a famously fractious society, Israelis tend to agree on one thing: Their strongest supporters are an inherently dupable people.

“Most Israelis think Americans are pro-Israel and we can sell them anything, especially mud from the Dead Sea,” said David Lifshitz, the lead writer for the Israeli comedy show “Eretz Nehederet,” or “Wonderful Land.”

“Or — just regular mud with a ‘Dead Sea’ sticker on it.” CONTINUED


(5). “Stupid pro-Israel Americans - have you heard these quotes from your hero Netanyahu? See below?”
 
That''s true but my first thought is that friends are not countries that have entirely different needs, interests, challenges and goals.

When those two hypothetical friends you mention fight or have conflicting interests, then you will be required to choose sides.

A person can be a patriot to only one country at a time.

America's one sided and unholy "alliance" with Israel is severely detrimental to both countries in that unconditional support of each and every Israeli atrocity, crime against humanity and act of aggression is responsible for Israel's current pariah status and genocidal Netanyahu regime.

Without America's countless $ Trillions and endless supply of our most sophisticated weaponry, Israel's aggressive, genocidal and expansionist Zionist governments would have some incentive to make peace.

Currently, it neither wants or needs peace. (1)

As it is now, influential and parasitic Israeli lobbies ensure that Israel is rewarded for its genocide, expansionism and even betrayal. (2)

Along with Israel's nuclear blackmail,(3) unregistered Israeli lobbies continue to cost loyal Americans dearly in blood, countless $ Trillions and a soiled reputation.

Finally, this same forced and artificial "alliance" is so grossly one sided that Israelis even regard their supporters as " inherently dupable" or suckers. (4), (5)


“Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away.” - Benjamin Netanyahu


(1). "Israel Does Not Want Peace"
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-does-not-want-peace-1.5253291

EXCERPT "Rejectionism is embedded in Israel's most primal beliefs. There, at the deepest level, lies the concept that this land is destined for the Jews alone.

Israel does not want peace. There is nothing I have ever written that I would be happier to be proved wrong about. But the evidence is piling up. In fact, it can be said that Israel has never wanted peace – a just peace, that is, one based on a just compromise for both sides.

The single most overwhelming item of evidence of Israel’s rejection of peace is, of course, the settlements project. From the dawn of its existence, there has never been a more reliable or more precise litmus test for Israel’s true intentions than this particular enterprise. In plain words: The builders of settlements want to consolidate the occupation, and those who want to consolidate the occupation do not want peace. That’s the whole story in a nutshell." CONTINUED


(2). "How Israel Has Betrayed America"
https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2014/06/06/how-israel-has-betrayed-america/

EXCERPT "A recent report by Newsweek magazine that Israel has spied on the United States at “an alarming level” and has done so “more than any other ally does” raises a very serious issue concerning how much Israel has betrayed America, which is something that the American mainstream media have time and again refused to debate in public." CONTINUED


(3). “The Samson Option: Israel's Nuclear Arsenal And American Foreign Policy"

EXCERPT "Hersh argues that it is virtually certain that Israel received accelerated aid from the United States during the 1973 Yom Kippuf War by "nuclear blackmail," i.e., threatening to use nuclear weapons against the Arab foes" CONTINUED


(4). “What Do Israelis Think About Americans? Start With Disdain.”

EXCERPT "Though Israel is a famously fractious society, Israelis tend to agree on one thing: Their strongest supporters are an inherently dupable people.

“Most Israelis think Americans are pro-Israel and we can sell them anything, especially mud from the Dead Sea,” said David Lifshitz, the lead writer for the Israeli comedy show “Eretz Nehederet,” or “Wonderful Land.”

“Or — just regular mud with a ‘Dead Sea’ sticker on it.” CONTINUED


(5). “Stupid pro-Israel Americans - have you heard these quotes from your hero Netanyahu? See below?”
so you are saying a few different things (and punctuating it with a quote which, as has been discussed, has no real source)

you were addressing "Israel firsters" IIRC, and I would suggest that the other word for that is "Israelis." You assume people with dual citizenship either are lying to themselves or the world (the US allows dual citizenship from most any country). So who are these "Israel firsters" you discuss? Every American Jew? Every dual citizenship holder (for which country?) An American citizen will only have to choose between the US and any other country if there is a direct conflict between them. Is there such a conflict that is making people choose Israel over America in the US? No. The US government has chosen to support Israel and Israel has chosen to support the US economy (you should really investigate how loan guarantees work and who benefits).

So I'm not sure which individuals you are calling "Israel firsters" or why you think that, on the daily, there is any particular hierarchy which drives behavior.
 
so you are saying a few different things (and punctuating it with a quote which, as has been discussed, has no real source)

you were addressing "Israel firsters" IIRC, and I would suggest that the other word for that is "Israelis." You assume people with dual citizenship either are lying to themselves or the world (the US allows dual citizenship from most any country). So who are these "Israel firsters" you discuss? Every American Jew? Every dual citizenship holder (for which country?) An American citizen will only have to choose between the US and any other country if there is a direct conflict between them. Is there such a conflict that is making people choose Israel over America in the US? No. The US government has chosen to support Israel and Israel has chosen to support the US economy (you should really investigate how loan guarantees work and who benefits).

So I'm not sure which individuals you are calling "Israel firsters" or why you think that, on the daily, there is any particular hierarchy which drives behavior.


First, I want to thank you for your refreshing civility.
I think that it is entirely possible to hold different opinions and discuss them as if face to face.

You are right in that I should be more specific as to what comprises an "Israel Firster"

Basically, I mean the Jonathan Pollard types, Israeli lobbies and their supporters and the same sort of people who would be condemned in Israel if they were disloyal individuals doing the same thing:
- residing in a country only for what they can extract, manipulate and exploit for the benefit of another country.

Next, I can imagine some rare instances in which a dual citizenship could be legitimate but there would always be the question of first loyalty.

Finally, one doesn't have to be Jewish to betray America nor do I believe that Jews are more likely to being disloyal than anyone else.

America's crop of raving Christian Zionists, Christian Evangelicalists and anti Muslim bigots are just as likely to foment additional wars that benefit only Israel's right wing Zionist extremists whose "Greater Israel" expansionism endangers the entire world.

I would never support measures that punish or restrict the right of individuals to express their personal support for Netanyahu's Genocidal agenda or continued $ Trillions in aid etc.

I hope that I have clarified my views more thoroughly.

Thanks,
 
First, I want to thank you for your refreshing civility.
I think that it is entirely possible to hold different opinions and discuss them as if face to face.

You are right in that I should be more specific as to what comprises an "Israel Firster"

Basically, I mean the Jonathan Pollard types, Israeli lobbies and their supporters and the same sort of people who would be condemned in Israel if they were disloyal individuals doing the same thing:
- residing in a country only for what they can extract, manipulate and exploit for the benefit of another country.

Next, I can imagine some rare instances in which a dual citizenship could be legitimate but there would always be the question of first loyalty.

Finally, one doesn't have to be Jewish to betray America nor do I believe that Jews are more likely to being disloyal than anyone else.

America's crop of raving Christian Zionists, Christian Evangelicalists and anti Muslim bigots are just as likely to foment additional wars that benefit only Israel's right wing Zionist extremists whose "Greater Israel" expansionism endangers the entire world.

I would never support measures that punish or restrict the right of individuals to express their personal support for Netanyahu's Genocidal agenda or continued $ Trillions in aid etc.

I hope that I have clarified my views more thoroughly.

Thanks,
Thanks - I'm on my phone now so I can't reslly sift through your post. I did see one quick thing - I wouldn't call Pollard an Israel firster. I'd call him a criminal and I wouldn't taint a love for Israel by attaching it to a spy.
 
"THE TRAITOR'S CREED: 'Israel is America's friend.' "


Israel is America's friend.

Those who cannot support that need to be deported to Iraq.


Re:
Those who cannot support that need to be deported to Iraq.

With America's infestation of traitorous Israel Firsters it's easy to see how easily America's most insidious enemy is able to spy on and steal America's top secrets and sell them to the highest bidder.

Since the majority of loyal Americans oppose US funding of Zionist genocide, it would be easier and more rational to deport America's disloyal Zionist shills:

"The Majority of Americans Now Disapprove of Israel’s Genocide, Polling Finds"

EXCERPT "Though U.S. officials have been pushing pro-Israel messages through the media relentlessly, the Gallup poll suggests that this messaging is failing to have its desired effect among the public, and that anti-Zionist advocates’ messages are instead breaking through." CONTINUED

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In addition to numerous False Flag betrayals such as the Lavon Affair, Israel's deliberate massacre of American G.I.s aboard the USS Liberty etc, the unrivaled Israeli theft of America's secrets is enough reason to defund the world's only nuclear power that can't survive without American welfare.



"ISRAEL WON'T STOP SPYING ON THE US"

EXCERPT "The Jewish state’s primary target: America’s industrial and technical secrets.

“No other country close to the United States continues to cross the line on espionage like the Israelis do,” said a former congressional staffer..." CONTINUED


"How Israel Has Betrayed America"
https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2014/06/06/how-israel-has-betrayed-america/

EXCERPT "A recent report by Newsweek magazine that Israel has spied on the United States at “an alarming level” and has done so “more than any other ally does” raises a very serious issue concerning how much Israel has betrayed America, which is something that the American mainstream media have time and again refused to debate in public.

But this is not an isolated case, as “Israel has a long record of getting U.S. military technology to China. In the early 1990s then-CIA Director James Woolsey told a Senate Government Affairs Committee that Israel had been selling U.S. secrets to China for about a decade." CONTINUED

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And, finally, do these same disloyal Zionist shills even know who or what they're supporting?

What part of the following quote are they unable to grasp:

“Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away.” — Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, 2002


“Stupid pro-Israel Americans - have you heard these quotes from your hero Netanyahu? See below?”

“It is very good! It will be good for Israel!” Benjamin Nutandyahoo on the 9/11 attacks

“Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away.” — Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, 2002

“My opinion of Christian Zionists? They’re scum. But don’t tell them that. We need all the useful idiots we can get right now.”— Benyamin "Bibi" Netanyahu

“America is something that you can easily maneuver and move in the right direction. And even if they say something, so then they say something – so what? Look, I wasn’t afraid to maneuver the Americans, I wasn’t afraid to go against the UN.” Benjamin Netanyahu.” CONTINUED
 
"WHEN YOU CAN'T REFUTE ZIONIST GENOCIDE"

They may be pederasts, but Arabs aren't very fond of dogs. Treat them as 'infidels' of the animal kingdom.

It looks like our noisy gaggle of ignorant and bigoted Zionist shills have given up trying to refute the fact that their parasitic Zionist colony must rely on American Welfare to commit genocide.

Please tell us more about your fellow pederasts.
 
- residing in a country only for what they can extract, manipulate and exploit for the benefit of another country. Next, I can imagine some rare instances in which a dual citizenship could be legitimate but there would always be the question of first loyalty.

that's a fine definition, but I don't think that I know of anyone who does that. My daughter and son-in-law have dual citizenship and both were in the IDF but now they live in NYC and are dedicated to being here. I'm not sure where or how their loyalty to either would be in question. I work with someone who teaches Spanish and is a dual citizen of the US and Mexico. I haven't seen any signs of disloyalty.
America's crop of raving Christian Zionists, Christian Evangelicalists and anti Muslim bigots are just as likely to foment additional wars that benefit only Israel's right wing Zionist extremists whose "Greater Israel" expansionism endangers the entire world.
extremists on all sides seem to get more press but that doesn't mean that they need to drive the discourse.
I would never support measures that punish or restrict the right of individuals to express their personal support for Netanyahu's Genocidal agenda
and I would never restrict the rights of individuals to express their support for hostage taking, rape and murder. It is important to know where people stand.
 
"WHEN YOU CAN'T REFUTE ZIONIST GENOCIDE"



It looks like our noisy gaggle of ignorant and bigoted Zionist shills have given up trying to refute the fact that their parasitic Zionist colony must rely on American Welfare to commit genocide.

Please tell us more about your fellow pederasts.

Genocide?
Sounds awful!
How many bombs has Israel dropped in Gaza?
How many dead Arabs in Gaza?
 
I don't take a stand on political issues but any question of "loyalty" as being in question when one has dual citizenship, there are examples of loyalty questions for those who are only US citizens

 
Israel is the only friend we have in the Near East. Israel is the only civilized country in the Near East.

 
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"WHEN YOU CAN'T REFUTE ZIONIST GENOCIDE"



It looks like our noisy gaggle of ignorant and bigoted Zionist shills have given up trying to refute the fact that their parasitic Zionist colony must rely on American Welfare to commit genocide.

Please tell us more about your fellow pederasts.
Not "my pederasts" but yours.
Been a common Arab practice since before Muhammad's time, continues into present. Why so many Arab/Muslim lads grow into maladjusted psychopaths.
 
Even pro-Israel Wikipeadia acknowledges it. The biggest lie of all the many lies is that all the poor European Jews wanted was a little place to call their own, so they took a barren desert and make it bloom. Total complete horseshit.

Olive trees take decades to bear their best fruit. So when you cut down a Palestinian family's olive trees your are cutting down their main means of support which takes generations to nurture.

Okay maybe there is nothing we can do about it but we can dispense with the bullshit lies. It's a land grab. Period. nB4 I knock on your door and say you gotta leave because God gave your house to me.




"In the 1948 Palestine war, more than 700,000 Palestinian Arabs – about half of Mandatory Palestine's predominantly Arab population – fled from their homes or were expelled. Expulsions and attacks against Palestinians were carried out by the Zionist paramilitaries Haganah, Irgun, and Lehi, which merged to become the Israel Defense Forces after the establishment of Israel part way through the war.[a] The expulsion and flight was a central component of the fracturing, dispossession, and displacement of Palestinian society, known as the Nakba.[4] Dozens of massacres targeting Arabs were conducted by Israeli military forces and between 400 and 600 Palestinian villages were destroyed. Village wells were poisoned in a biological warfare programme and properties were looted to prevent Palestinian refugees from returning.[5][6] Other sites were subject to Hebraization of Palestinian place names."





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The only questions that need to be answered are these:

1. What was the area like before the Israelis came home?
2. What has it been like since they did?

If it was a desert that now is in bloom and yielding fruit, guess what?
 
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Genocide?
Sounds awful!
How many bombs has Israel dropped in Gaza?
How many dead Arabs in Gaza?



Yes, Genocide.

Most Americans oppose Israel's genocidal agenda and about 1/3 of America's Jews feel the same way.

It's not just US made bombs that have killed over 60,000 Palestinians.



"A Majority of Americans Views Israel Negatively in wake of Gaza Genocide"

EXCERPT "Laura Silver at the Pew Research Center reports that 53% of Americans now have a negative view of Israel, a stark deterioration from 42% in spring 2022 before the Israeli total war on Gaza.

Moreover, in just 3 years the percentage of Americans with very negative views of Israel has nearly doubled, from 10% to 19%. That is nearly one in five Americans." CONTINUED



"One-third of American Jews agree Israel committed ‘genocide’ in Gaza: Poll"

EXCERPT "Nearly one-third of American Jews agree with accusations that Israel committed “genocide” in the Gaza Strip, and 60 per cent support the establishment of an independent Palestinian State, a new poll has found, Anadolu Agency reports.

The survey, conducted by the Jerusalem Centre for Public Affairs, a private right-wing Israeli think tank, was carried out between 9 and 11 May and included 511 American Jews, according to a statement by the Centre.

“Approximately one-third of respondents agreed with the accusation that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza, while about half disagreed,” it said." CONTINUED
 
Yes, Genocide.

Most Americans oppose Israel's genocidal agenda and about 1/3 of America's Jews feel the same way.

It's not just US made bombs that have killed over 60,000 Palestinians.



"A Majority of Americans Views Israel Negatively in wake of Gaza Genocide"

EXCERPT "Laura Silver at the Pew Research Center reports that 53% of Americans now have a negative view of Israel, a stark deterioration from 42% in spring 2022 before the Israeli total war on Gaza.

Moreover, in just 3 years the percentage of Americans with very negative views of Israel has nearly doubled, from 10% to 19%. That is nearly one in five Americans." CONTINUED



"One-third of American Jews agree Israel committed ‘genocide’ in Gaza: Poll"

EXCERPT "Nearly one-third of American Jews agree with accusations that Israel committed “genocide” in the Gaza Strip, and 60 per cent support the establishment of an independent Palestinian State, a new poll has found, Anadolu Agency reports.

The survey, conducted by the Jerusalem Centre for Public Affairs, a private right-wing Israeli think tank, was carried out between 9 and 11 May and included 511 American Jews, according to a statement by the Centre.

“Approximately one-third of respondents agreed with the accusation that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza, while about half disagreed,” it said." CONTINUED
And yet unless a crime is committed with the clear intent to destroy a national, religious, racial of ethnic groups, it is not genocide
 
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