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Israel is a Settler Colonialism Enterprise - Prove it

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RE: Israel is a Settler Colonialism Enterprise - Prove it
SUBTOPIC: Hard and Fast Rules
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BLUF: Again, this is an unnecessary entanglement.

Contrary to the self-determination and contrary to the historical trend against colonialism, Israel was established as a settler-colonial state at the very top when colonialism in the world context was collapsing and losing war after war. It is a kind of paradox that Israel was established at a moment when colonialism was collapsing.

(COMMENT)

Israel was established under the concept of self-determination and at the recommendation of the UN General Assembly adopted in 1947.

The historical trend of colonialism and the administration of the Mandates are separate things entirely. And while the pHoAP consistently pout and claim that they are the victim in this adventure, in "practice it proved impossible even to initiate this policy of gradual constitutional development. From 1922 until the present day, the High Commissioner has governed Palestine with the aid of Councils consisting exclusively of British officials." Why, because the pHoAP made up excuse after excuse to disengage from the process of establishing self-governing institutions for the benefit of their development. In fact by 1923, the pHoAP dismissed "a third attempt" by the Mandate Authority to "establish an institution through which the Arab population of Palestine could be brought into cooperation with the government." (A/AC.14/8 UK History of Administration 2 October 1947)

Now, excuses or not, the continued lack of cooperation, or any significant effort, to help establish a self-governing institution, contributed to the outbreak of hostilities and set the conditions that have brought the region to the political and terrorist posture it has today.

And finally, as far as the Third World Magazine (www.trtworld.com) is concerned, it is simply a mouthpiece for the likes of Richard Falk (now 90 y/o), who thinks he is still living in the days of Princeton, who a decade ago, was asked to resign, is one of just the many retread personalities brought forward an attempt to influence the world stage. Don't be fooled by the likes of him. I think he is even older than Mahmoud Abbas.

Ask yourself: What can the Arab Palestinian do to bring peace? If you say nothing, then it's the wrong answer.

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RE: Israel is a Settler Colonialism Enterprise - Prove it
SUBTOPIC: Hard and Fast Rules
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BLUF: Again, this is an unnecessary entanglement.


(COMMENT)

Israel was established under the concept of self-determination and at the recommendation of the UN General Assembly adopted in 1947.

The historical trend of colonialism and the administration of the Mandates are separate things entirely. And while the pHoAP consistently pout and claim that they are the victim in this adventure, in "practice it proved impossible even to initiate this policy of gradual constitutional development. From 1922 until the present day, the High Commissioner has governed Palestine with the aid of Councils consisting exclusively of British officials." Why, because the pHoAP made up excuse after excuse to disengage from the process of establishing self-governing institutions for the benefit of their development. In fact by 1923, the pHoAP dismissed "a third attempt" by the Mandate Authority to "establish an institution through which the Arab population of Palestine could be brought into cooperation with the government." (A/AC.14/8 UK History of Administration 2 October 1947)

Now, excuses or not, the continued lack of cooperation, or any significant effort, to help establish a self-governing institution, contributed to the outbreak of hostilities and set the conditions that have brought the region to the political and terrorist posture it has today.

And finally, as far as the Third World Magazine (www.trtworld.com) is concerned, it is simply a mouthpiece for the likes of Richard Falk (now 90 y/o), who thinks he is still living in the days of Princeton, who a decade ago, was asked to resign, is one of just the many retread personalities brought forward an attempt to influence the world stage. Don't be fooled by the likes of him. I think he is even older than Mahmoud Abbas.

Ask yourself: What can the Arab Palestinian do to bring peace? If you say nothing, then it's the wrong answer.

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R

Self determination? Would you support Mexicans and Native Americans taking your property in Texas, Arizona etc to create a homeland for themselves?

Are you for open borders and illegal immigration?
 

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RE: Israel is a Settler Colonialism Enterprise - Prove it
SUBTOPIC: Hard and Fast Rules
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BLUF: Again, this is an unnecessary entanglement.


(COMMENT)

Israel was established under the concept of self-determination and at the recommendation of the UN General Assembly adopted in 1947.

The historical trend of colonialism and the administration of the Mandates are separate things entirely. And while the pHoAP consistently pout and claim that they are the victim in this adventure, in "practice it proved impossible even to initiate this policy of gradual constitutional development. From 1922 until the present day, the High Commissioner has governed Palestine with the aid of Councils consisting exclusively of British officials." Why, because the pHoAP made up excuse after excuse to disengage from the process of establishing self-governing institutions for the benefit of their development. In fact by 1923, the pHoAP dismissed "a third attempt" by the Mandate Authority to "establish an institution through which the Arab population of Palestine could be brought into cooperation with the government." (A/AC.14/8 UK History of Administration 2 October 1947)

Now, excuses or not, the continued lack of cooperation, or any significant effort, to help establish a self-governing institution, contributed to the outbreak of hostilities and set the conditions that have brought the region to the political and terrorist posture it has today.

And finally, as far as the Third World Magazine (www.trtworld.com) is concerned, it is simply a mouthpiece for the likes of Richard Falk (now 90 y/o), who thinks he is still living in the days of Princeton, who a decade ago, was asked to resign, is one of just the many retread personalities brought forward an attempt to influence the world stage. Don't be fooled by the likes of him. I think he is even older than Mahmoud Abbas.

Ask yourself: What can the Arab Palestinian do to bring peace? If you say nothing, then it's the wrong answer.

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R

They can accept theft and ethnic cleansing.

Read Zionist Aspirations in Palestine, July 1920. They had a really bad attitude towards the indigenous people when they arrived.
 

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RE: Israel is a Settler Colonialism Enterprise - Prove it
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BLUF: Well, the concept of self-determination is what it is.

Self determination? Would you support Mexicans and Native Americans taking your property in Texas, Arizona etc to create a homeland for themselves?

Are you for open borders and illegal immigration?
(COMMENT)

I think you are confusing the concepts of "sovereignty" and the protection of "territorial integrity" (Chapter ONE of the UN Charter) with the Right of Self-Determination.

They can accept theft and ethnic cleansing.

Read Zionist Aspirations in Palestine, July 1920. They had a really bad attitude towards the indigenous people when they arrived.
(COMMENT)

You're like most of the pro-Hostile Arab Palestinians. You are talking about personal concepts and published papers that date back a century or more. But you are a little shy on current doctrine.

In 1948, when the Arab League jumped their borders, that trigger a war that the last of the players has not come to an agreement. Many things have happened since then. Jordan Annex the West Bank and Jerusalem, then abandon it, leaving it in the hands of the Israelis. Two Peace Treaties have been signed and a letter of Understanding accounts for about 95% of Israels' documented borders (Syria being the hold out). And they have been peacefully in place for at least two decades.

Why you go back and dredge up Century-Old essays is beyond me.

I invite you to come forward and look at the tools now available to work on a peaceful settlement.

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R
 

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RE: Israel is a Settler Colonialism Enterprise - Prove it
SUBTOPIC: Hard and Fast Rules
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BLUF: Well, the concept of self-determination is what it is.


(COMMENT)

I think you are confusing the concepts of "sovereignty" and the protection of "territorial integrity" (Chapter ONE of the UN Charter) with the Right of Self-Determination.


(COMMENT)

You're like most of the pro-Hostile Arab Palestinians. You are talking about personal concepts and published papers that date back a century or more. But you are a little shy on current doctrine.

In 1948, when the Arab League jumped their borders, that trigger a war that the last of the players has not come to an agreement. Many things have happened since then. Jordan Annex the West Bank and Jerusalem, then abandon it, leaving it in the hands of the Israelis. Two Peace Treaties have been signed and a letter of Understanding accounts for about 95% of Israels' documented borders (Syria being the hold out). And they have been peacefully in place for at least two decades.

Why you go back and dredge up Century-Old essays is beyond me.

I invite you to come forward and look at the tools now available to work on a peaceful settlement.

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R

I think the Israelis have to make the first move considering how they mocked the Saudi Peace Initiative of 2002 even though 29 countries had signed on to guarantee Israel's security and have since taken more land.
 

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RE: Israel is a Settler Colonialism Enterprise - Prove it
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BLUF: There is a realistic concern, in that region of the world, that no matter who generates a solution, if it involves a compromise on the part of the Arab Palestinians, it will not last long. And the Israelis are very hesitant to hitch their wagon to a solution that will not prevent the Arab Palestinians from crumbling such a solution and present a greater problem in the end than they stated on matters of security in-depth in the interest of territorial integrity.

I think the Israelis have to make the first move considering how they mocked the Saudi Peace Initiative of 2002 even though 29 countries had signed on to guarantee Israel's security and have since taken more land.
(COMMENT)

In A/AC.21/10 • 16 FEBRUARY 1948, "the Arabs of Palestine made a solemn declaration before the United Nations, before God and history, that they will never submit or yield to any power going to Palestine to enforce partition. The only way to establish partition is first to wipe them out — man, woman and child." "That any attempt by the Jews or any power group of powers to establish a Jewish state in Arab territory is an act of aggression which will be resisted in self-defense." They have pretty much stuck to that political position. The Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO) and the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS), as well as several other factions, are pretty much of one mind on two political points:

◈ (HAMAS) "Palestine from the river to the sea, and from north to south, is a land of the Palestinian people and its homeland and its legitimate right, we may not a waiver an inch or any part thereof, no matter what the reasons and circumstances and pressures."​
◈ (HAMAS). Jihad and the armed resistance is the right and real method for the liberation of Palestine, and the restoration of all the rights, together with, of course, all forms of political and diplomatic struggle including in the media, public and legal [spheres]; with the need to mobilize all the energies of the nation in the battle​
◈ (PLO). Palestine, with the boundaries it had during the British Mandate, is an indivisible territorial unit.​
◈ (PLO). Armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine.​
◈ (PLO). The Balfour Declaration, the Palestine Mandate, and everything that has been based on them, are deemed null and void. Claims of historical or religious ties of Jews with Palestine are incompatible with the facts of history and the conception of what constitutes statehood. Judaism, being a religion, is not an independent nationality. Nor do Jews constitute a single nation with an identity of their own; they are citizens of the states to which they belong.​

Even if Israel was of one mind to accept the Saudi Option; would it take the risk. Are the Arab Palestinians worth the risk. Past History has shown that if the leadership is not robbing the constiuents blind, they are stocking up on rockets, mortars, etc for the next offensive.
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My understanding is: that the C-24 Committee that was established by the General Assembly (GA), and devoted to the issue of decolonization, says nothing of the sort.
The UN is so divorced from reality. Look at any of their meetings. Everyone is talking about the two state solution. The two state solution is long dead or was never the solution to begin with. The "solution" is over here, the problem is someplace else. That is why the fake peace process has failed year after year after year. Nobody is addressing the problem.

Settler colonialism is the problem. That needs to be addressed.
 
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RE: Israel is a Settler Colonialism Enterprise - Prove it
SUBTOPIC: Again, the Arab Palestinians will not stick to the agreement.
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BLUF: The Oslo Accords are not dead, the Arab Palestinians just want an "Instant Replay." Unfortunately, this is NOT a Football Game. You can't just blow a whistle and roll back the clock. Time always moves forward in a Relativistic Universe.

RoccoR said:
My understanding is: that the C-24 Committee that was established by the General Assembly (GA), and devoted to the issue of decolonization, says nothing of the sort.
The UN is so divorced from reality. Look at any of their meetings. Everyone is talking about the two state solution. The two state solution is long dead or was never the solution to begin with. The "solution" is over here, the problem is someplace else. That is why the fake peace process has failed year after year after year. Nobody is addressing the problem.

Settler colonialism is the problem. That needs to be addressed.
(COMMENT)

The settlers in Area "C" are doing exactly what the Accords (Annex III Protocols Concerning Civil Affairs) allow; exactly as explained in
Posting #59. They are in compliance. If the Arab Palestinians want to argue otherwise, all they have to do is Call a Pow-Wow under the Permanent Status of Negotiation (Posting 59)

Most political representatives at the UN are merely passing on the intentions of their government. They are only as "divorced from reality" as their government intends. You cannot blame the political representative for their individual country's national authority decrees.

The two-state solution will "always" be an option until a permanent solution creates stability.

There are many minds and influences that have collectively created asymmetric conflict between Israel and the Arab Palestinians. But very few, (
and none at all in the Arab Palestinian ranks) are following the Principle of Sufficient Reason (PSR) or the Principles of International Law Concerning Friendly Relations (PILCFR). And at this rate, if the Arab Palestinians progress as well as they did in the last century, they are unlikely to make any better success if they do not change their approach.

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Israel, to save your soul
Publicly confess your sins
Welcome all, no matter the race or religion or affiliation
with open arms, whoever they may be
Publicly ask the Lord/God for forgiveness
By doing so I believe God would forgive them
&
Peace would begin to envelope the world
Because of their forthrightness’
:)-
 

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RE: Israel is a Settler Colonialism Enterprise - Prove it
SUBTOPIC: Request for Clarification
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BLUF: You'll have to do much better than this.


(QUESTIONS)

When you say the British say it - let's be clear about it.

◈ When (time period)?​
◈ What was the official statement?​
◈ Who (what official office on foreign policy made this statement)?​
(COMMENT)

My understanding is: that the C-24 Committee that was established by the General Assembly (GA), and devoted to the issue of decolonization, says nothing of the sort.

◈ What are you talking about? The C-24 does not make any statement, relative to Israel at all.​
◈ I have not seen any statement by the Israeli Government that claims it is running a sanctioned colonial program by the state.​
◈ I have not seen any statement at all by the British Government that openly accuses Israel of being a colonial power.​
◈ The Arab Palestinians will say anything to further their cause.​

In the absence of evidence to the contrary, it is my opinion that you are intentionally spreading inflammatory allegations and false, inaccurate, and misleading information on this allegation that Israel meets the threshold of a Colonial Power.

Show me the evidence to support your allegation. Maybe you can earn some measure of credibility.

(MY THOUGHT)

Many people define "colonialism" in variously different ways. What the Israelis are often accused of is the practice of domination. Israel maintains effective control of the territories under discussion given that: left to their own devices, the threat against the sovereign territory of Israel will expand and pose a much more serious threat to Israel than the Hostile Arab Palestinians present today. It is not Israel's intention to subjugate the Arab Palestinians or to exploit their resources, labor, or production.

The purpose is to contain the threat. It is as simple as that. If the Arab Palestinians had demonstrated peaceful intentions at the outset of the 1948 Independence of Israel, their control and capacity to prosper would be many more times as fruitful as it is today.

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(REFERENCE)

The colonial-era ended gradually after World War II; the only territories still governed as colonies today are small islands.
SOURCE EXCERPT: Britannica Concise Encyclopedia. pp434 © 2006 BY ENCYCLOPÆDIA BRITANNICA, INC.

The British say it is. The Zionists say it is. The Palestinians say it is. History says it is. The facts on the ground say it is.

I don't see a dispute.
 

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SUBTOPIC: Hard and Fast Rules
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BLUF: There is a realistic concern, in that region of the world, that no matter who generates a solution, if it involves a compromise on the part of the Arab Palestinians, it will not last long. And the Israelis are very hesitant to hitch their wagon to a solution that will not prevent the Arab Palestinians from crumbling such a solution and present a greater problem in the end than they stated on matters of security in-depth in the interest of territorial integrity.


(COMMENT)

In A/AC.21/10 • 16 FEBRUARY 1948, "the Arabs of Palestine made a solemn declaration before the United Nations, before God and history, that they will never submit or yield to any power going to Palestine to enforce partition. The only way to establish partition is first to wipe them out — man, woman and child." "That any attempt by the Jews or any power group of powers to establish a Jewish state in Arab territory is an act of aggression which will be resisted in self-defense." They have pretty much stuck to that political position. The Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO) and the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS), as well as several other factions, are pretty much of one mind on two political points:

◈ (HAMAS) "Palestine from the river to the sea, and from north to south, is a land of the Palestinian people and its homeland and its legitimate right, we may not a waiver an inch or any part thereof, no matter what the reasons and circumstances and pressures."​
◈ (HAMAS). Jihad and the armed resistance is the right and real method for the liberation of Palestine, and the restoration of all the rights, together with, of course, all forms of political and diplomatic struggle including in the media, public and legal [spheres]; with the need to mobilize all the energies of the nation in the battle​
◈ (PLO). Palestine, with the boundaries it had during the British Mandate, is an indivisible territorial unit.​
◈ (PLO). Armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine.​
◈ (PLO). The Balfour Declaration, the Palestine Mandate, and everything that has been based on them, are deemed null and void. Claims of historical or religious ties of Jews with Palestine are incompatible with the facts of history and the conception of what constitutes statehood. Judaism, being a religion, is not an independent nationality. Nor do Jews constitute a single nation with an identity of their own; they are citizens of the states to which they belong.​

Even if Israel was of one mind to accept the Saudi Option; would it take the risk. Are the Arab Palestinians worth the risk. Past History has shown that if the leadership is not robbing the constiuents blind, they are stocking up on rockets, mortars, etc for the next offensive.
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R

Israel helped found HAMAS.. Look at the dates on those announcements from HAMAS.
 

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What is Settler Colonialism?| Postcolonial Concepts| Postcolonialism| Postcolonial Theory​


 
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What is Settler Colonialism?| Postcolonial Concepts| Postcolonialism| Postcolonial Theory​


Pity the commentator says nothing about Muslim colonialism from the 7th century to the present day, which Settled all over the Middle East, North Africa, Spain, Vienna and other places, and are still the settlers who took over the land from the indigenous population.

That of course, includes the ancient land of Israel, which was again Settler colonialized by the British and the Hashemite Arabs, and all the Arabs who ended up moving into the Mandate for Palestine and outnumbering the indigenous Jewish People.

All of the above, attempting to deny any legal rights the Jewish Nation had of reconstructing their Nation on their ancient homeland.


Your video "proves" nothing, except that the author of this video has swallowed hook, line and sinker the idea that the Jews are "Europeans", and the "Palestinians" are the indigenous people of "Palestine"


Fail
 

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SUBTOPIC: Trickery
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: This is the made-up category using an adjective (Settler) in front of the principle (Colonialism) in the hopes of creating a sympathetic message. It diverts the focus from the "true creation" of the Discussion Group Thread to a discussion on the Adjective and NOT the truth of the Principle Word.

What is Settler Colonialism?| Postcolonial Concepts| Postcolonialism| Postcolonial Theory​

(COMMENT)
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This application of the "Adjective" (settler) gives a description of the "Principle" author-driven meaning. It is a very neat trick or sleight of hand. It already assumes there is a "colonialism" and that the reader believes that. It is the same technique used in the3 connect in "Settler" Ghost. The word "Settler" gives meaning to the word "ghost." But the entire meaning of the attachment (of settler) to the principle (ghost) disintegrates or becomes irrelevant if there is no such thing as a "ghost." It is the same as saying "settler nothingness."

Before you can say "Settler Colonalist" or "Settler Colonialism" → you must first agree as to whether there is a condition of control being extended by one sovereignty (the Arab Palestinians claim) • Israel • extending its power over other people or territory with the intent of establishing military, political, or economic dominance. And that notion is based on the decision that:


◈ Israel is somehow illegal from the very start.
◈ The Balfour Declaration, the Mandate for Palestine, and everything that has been based upon them is deemed null and void.​
◈ That the Oslo Accords mean nothing.​
◈ That in actual ground truth the West Bank and Jerusalem were not actually annexed (by Jordan) and then later abandon (by Jordan).​
◈ That Israel did not have the legitimate power having to restore, and ensure, as far as possible, public order and safety.​
◈ etc etc etc​

When you begin to talk about the extension of "settlers," then you have to address "settlers." When you address colonialism, then you must address that. If you are going to entangle the terminology, then let's be clear what exactly is the meaning of each term and how they are being applied.
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RE: Israel is a Settler Colonialism Enterprise - Prove it
SUBTOPIC: Trickery
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: This is the made-up category using an adjective (Settler) in front of the principle (Colonialism) in the hopes of creating a sympathetic message. It diverts the focus from the "true creation" of the Discussion Group Thread to a discussion on the Adjective and NOT the truth of the Principle Word.


(COMMENT)
.
This application of the "Adjective" (settler) gives a description of the "Principle" author-driven meaning. It is a very neat trick or sleight of hand. It already assumes there is a "colonialism" and that the reader believes that. It is the same technique used in the3 connect in "Settler" Ghost. The word "Settler" gives meaning to the word "ghost." But the entire meaning of the attachment (of settler) to the principle (ghost) disintegrates or becomes irrelevant if there is no such thing as a "ghost." It is the same as saying "settler nothingness."

Before you can say "Settler Colonalist" or "Settler Colonialism" → you must first agree as to whether there is a condition of control being extended by one sovereignty (the Arab Palestinians claim) • Israel • extending its power over other people or territory with the intent of establishing military, political, or economic dominance. And that notion is based on the decision that:


◈ Israel is somehow illegal from the very start.
◈ The Balfour Declaration, the Mandate for Palestine, and everything that has been based upon them is deemed null and void.​
◈ That the Oslo Accords mean nothing.​
◈ That in actual ground truth the West Bank and Jerusalem were not actually annexed (by Jordan) and then later abandon (by Jordan).​
◈ That Israel did not have the legitimate power having to restore, and ensure, as far as possible, public order and safety.​
◈ etc etc etc​

When you begin to talk about the extension of "settlers," then you have to address "settlers." When you address colonialism, then you must address that. If you are going to entangle the terminology, then let's be clear what exactly is the meaning of each term and how they are being applied.
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You sound like you are trying to confuse yourself. I/P is so simple.
 
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You sound like you are trying to confuse yourself. I/P is so simple.
if it is so simple, where is the proof I ask for in the title?

There was absolutely none in that video.

You confuse no one
 

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RE: Israel is a Settler Colonialism Enterprise - Prove it
SUBTOPIC: Hard and Fast Rules
⁜→ surada, et al,

BLUF: There is a realistic concern, in that region of the world, that no matter who generates a solution, if it involves a compromise on the part of the Arab Palestinians, it will not last long. And the Israelis are very hesitant to hitch their wagon to a solution that will not prevent the Arab Palestinians from crumbling such a solution and present a greater problem in the end than they stated on matters of security in-depth in the interest of territorial integrity.


(COMMENT)

In A/AC.21/10 • 16 FEBRUARY 1948, "the Arabs of Palestine made a solemn declaration before the United Nations, before God and history, that they will never submit or yield to any power going to Palestine to enforce partition. The only way to establish partition is first to wipe them out — man, woman and child." "That any attempt by the Jews or any power group of powers to establish a Jewish state in Arab territory is an act of aggression which will be resisted in self-defense." They have pretty much stuck to that political position. The Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO) and the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS), as well as several other factions, are pretty much of one mind on two political points:

◈ (HAMAS) "Palestine from the river to the sea, and from north to south, is a land of the Palestinian people and its homeland and its legitimate right, we may not a waiver an inch or any part thereof, no matter what the reasons and circumstances and pressures."​
◈ (HAMAS). Jihad and the armed resistance is the right and real method for the liberation of Palestine, and the restoration of all the rights, together with, of course, all forms of political and diplomatic struggle including in the media, public and legal [spheres]; with the need to mobilize all the energies of the nation in the battle​
◈ (PLO). Palestine, with the boundaries it had during the British Mandate, is an indivisible territorial unit.​
◈ (PLO). Armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine.​
◈ (PLO). The Balfour Declaration, the Palestine Mandate, and everything that has been based on them, are deemed null and void. Claims of historical or religious ties of Jews with Palestine are incompatible with the facts of history and the conception of what constitutes statehood. Judaism, being a religion, is not an independent nationality. Nor do Jews constitute a single nation with an identity of their own; they are citizens of the states to which they belong.​

Even if Israel was of one mind to accept the Saudi Option; would it take the risk. Are the Arab Palestinians worth the risk. Past History has shown that if the leadership is not robbing the constiuents blind, they are stocking up on rockets, mortars, etc for the next offensive.
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R

The Jewish immigrants to Palestine destroyed over 300 Arab villages between 1947 and 1949.. They looted them and leveled them.

After the took the Golan in 1967 the destroyed over 60 Druze villages.

The immigrant Jews had no titles. By 1948 they had purchased 6% of the land.. The rest they took by force.. Even in Atlanta they were collecting money to buy guns in Argentina that were shipped to Palestine.
 

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RE: Israel is a Settler Colonialism Enterprise - Prove it
SUBTOPIC: Confusion vs Reality
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: No one is confused about what should be done.

You sound like you are trying to confuse yourself. I/P is so simple.
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The First Step to solving an equation is to simplify.

In this case (July 1988), the West Bank and Jerusalem were passed on to Israel when Jordan abandon its sovereignty and cut all ties. Israel was the only government exercising any type of control. Israel was required to maintain, establish, or restore, public order and safety.

The UN did not actually identify a State or a country established by the Arab Palestinians. Nor could the UN identify authoritys as a Palestinian government until much much later.
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