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Israel is a Settler Colonialism Enterprise - Prove it

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Tinmore, and others, love to bring this subject up to all the threads.

Jews are Europeans, not indigenous, stole land by force, ethnically cleansed land belonging to people who did not call themselves any nationality at the time, without any provocation......

I have not seen him bring one legal proof to any and all his allegations.

The Allies took from the Ottomans and "gave the land to the Palestinians", to create Palestine. That according to Tinmore. No evidence of such a thing.

This treaty is often referred to:


What does it actually mean in regards to the Mandate for Palestine for a Jewish Homeland on Ancient Jewish Land? Does it have anything to do with that Mandate?


Discuss the end of the WWI, the treaties, the consequences from all parties involved.

IS Israel a Colonial Enterprise, or have the rightful indigenous people of the land finally become sovereign of some of their ancestral homeland?
 

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If your own pair of eyes still haven't convinced you that Askhenazis are europeans who practice Judaism nothing else on God's green Earth will. :dunno:
 
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If your own pair of eyes still haven't convinced you that Askhenazis are europeans who practice Judaism nothing else on God's green Earth will. :dunno:
Choosing to follow the Jew hating idea that Ashenazis are indigenous European, simply because 7 Arab states lost the chance to destroy Israel at birth, is no proof that the Jews are Europeans.

Sepharadic and Mizrahi Jews will never agree with your allegation.

Pro Jews and pro Israel people will never agree with you.

But something from your paragraph is missing.

Proof.

How are you going to prove that Israelis are all Ashkenazi and not indigenous to the Land of Israel?
 
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The Allies did not consider the Jews to be European:

The mandates for Mesopotamia, Syria and Palestine were assigned by the Supreme Court of the League of Nations at its San Remo meeting in April 1920. Negotiations between Great Britain and the United States with regard to the Palestine mandate were successfully concluded in May 1922, and approved by the Council of the League of Nations in July 1922. The mandates for Palestine and Syria came into force simultaneously on September 29, 1922. In this document, the League of Nations recognized the "historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine" and the "grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country."

https://www.mfa.gov.il/mfa/foreignpolicy/peace/guide/pages/the mandate for palestine.aspx
 

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Tinmore, and others, love to bring this subject up to all the threads.

Jews are Europeans, not indigenous, stole land by force, ethnically cleansed land belonging to people who did not call themselves any nationality at the time, without any provocation......

I have not seen him bring one legal proof to any and all his allegations.

The Allies took from the Ottomans and "gave the land to the Palestinians", to create Palestine. That according to Tinmore. No evidence of such a thing.

This treaty is often referred to:


What does it actually mean in regards to the Mandate for Palestine for a Jewish Homeland on Ancient Jewish Land? Does it have anything to do with that Mandate?


Discuss the end of the WWI, the treaties, the consequences from all parties involved.

IS Israel a Colonial Enterprise, or have the rightful indigenous people of the land finally become sovereign of some of their ancestral homeland?
Israel was to be The Jewish State, and Jordan The Fake Palestinian State.

End of story.

90% of so called, not really a people called Palestinians live in Jordan.
 

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Originally posted by rylah
Is that why in every caricature
Arabs and Europeans always draw an Arafat?

LOL

I have an ugly hook nose (btw, is there such a thing as a "beautiful" hook nose?) : )

I have a hook nose and no arab or jewish ancestry as far as I know...

So you have all sorts and shapes of noses democratically distributed around the world, rylah... :biggrin:
 

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LOL

I have an ugly hook nose (btw, is there such a thing as a "beautiful" hook nose?) : )

I have a hook nose and no arab or jewish ancestry as far as I know...

So you have all sorts and shapes of noses democratically distributed around the world, rylah... :biggrin:

So how come of all did this stereotype come to associate with them,
and not with you, were your grandparents and heroes blind?
 

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In the real world, if you are starting a new town or community in a country, you call it a town or community; not a “settlement”

See-----------
https://tinyurl.com/yxcjnz9f
https://tinyurl.com/5xkj3uv2

Israeli settlements, or Israeli colonies, are civilian communities inhabited by Israeli citizens, almost exclusively of Jewish ethnicity, built in violation of international law on lands occupied by Israel in the 1967 Six-Day War.[6] Israeli settlements currently exist in the Palestinian territory of the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, and in the Syrian territory of the Golan Heights. East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights have been annexed by Israel, so residents are treated equivalently to the rest of Israel under Israeli law. Although the West Bank settlements are on land administered under Israeli military rule rather than civil law,
Israeli settlement - Wikipedia

Six-Month Report on Israeli settlements in the occupied West Bank, including East Jerusalem
In the first half of 2018 (January-June) advancement of housing units continued at a
higher level than in the previous reporting period (July-December 2017). More than
6,000 housing units in the occupied West Bank including East Jerusalem were advanced
in different stages of the planning and implementation process.
This development will,
over several years, enable potentially more than 27,000 Israeli settlers to move to
the Occupied West Bank, including East Jerusalem.


More than 2,100 housing units (of the 6,000 units) are new plans, i.e. they have not
been introduced in the planning circuit in the years before 2018.
An important development during the reporting period was the promotion of two plans
that would establish two entirely new settlements (Zayit Ra’anan and Brosh) by
authorising illegal outposts and the establishment of a new settlement near Hebron,
north of the settlement of Kiryat Arba (based on a plan approved in 1988).
Another worrying development was the continued construction of and the approval of
funds for large scale road infrastructure projects in the occupied West Bank that
improves the connectivity of settlements to Israel.

There are currently approximately 215,000 Israelis living in East Jerusalem while the
settler population in Area C in the occupied West Bank, excluding East Jerusalem, is
some 399,300. This brings the settler population to approximately 600,000 Israeli
settlers in 143 locations in the West Bank (132) including East Jerusalem .
According to the Israeli Central Bureau of Statistics 4.6% of the total Israeli population
resides today in the Occupied West Bank excluding East Jerusalem.

https://www.un.org/unispal/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/EUSETTLERPT_170718.pdf

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In the real world, if you are starting a new town or community in a country, you call it a town or community; not a “settlement”

See-----------
https://tinyurl.com/yxcjnz9f
https://tinyurl.com/5xkj3uv2

Israeli settlements, or Israeli colonies, are civilian communities inhabited by Israeli citizens, almost exclusively of Jewish ethnicity, built in violation of international law on lands occupied by Israel in the 1967 Six-Day War.[6] Israeli settlements currently exist in the Palestinian territory of the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, and in the Syrian territory of the Golan Heights. East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights have been annexed by Israel, so residents are treated equivalently to the rest of Israel under Israeli law. Although the West Bank settlements are on land administered under Israeli military rule rather than civil law,
Israeli settlement - Wikipedia

Six-Month Report on Israeli settlements in the occupied West Bank, including East Jerusalem
In the first half of 2018 (January-June) advancement of housing units continued at a
higher level than in the previous reporting period (July-December 2017). More than
6,000 housing units in the occupied West Bank including East Jerusalem were advanced
in different stages of the planning and implementation process.
This development will,
over several years, enable potentially more than 27,000 Israeli settlers to move to
the Occupied West Bank, including East Jerusalem.


More than 2,100 housing units (of the 6,000 units) are new plans, i.e. they have not
been introduced in the planning circuit in the years before 2018.
An important development during the reporting period was the promotion of two plans
that would establish two entirely new settlements (Zayit Ra’anan and Brosh) by
authorising illegal outposts and the establishment of a new settlement near Hebron,
north of the settlement of Kiryat Arba (based on a plan approved in 1988).
Another worrying development was the continued construction of and the approval of
funds for large scale road infrastructure projects in the occupied West Bank that
improves the connectivity of settlements to Israel.

There are currently approximately 215,000 Israelis living in East Jerusalem while the
settler population in Area C in the occupied West Bank, excluding East Jerusalem, is
some 399,300. This brings the settler population to approximately 600,000 Israeli
settlers in 143 locations in the West Bank (132) including East Jerusalem .
According to the Israeli Central Bureau of Statistics 4.6% of the total Israeli population
resides today in the Occupied West Bank excluding East Jerusalem.

https://www.un.org/unispal/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/EUSETTLERPT_170718.pdf

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Zero proof that Israel is a settler-colonial enterprise.

Needs better research......deep, very deep research.

Now, where can one go to find it? Uhmmmmmm

A long Voyage to the Center of the Earth, might do it.
 

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Choosing to follow the Jew hating idea that Ashenazis are indigenous European, simply because 7 Arab states lost the chance to destroy Israel at birth, is no proof that the Jews are Europeans.

Sepharadic and Mizrahi Jews will never agree with your allegation.

Pro Jews and pro Israel people will never agree with you.

But something from your paragraph is missing.

Proof.

How are you going to prove that Israelis are all Ashkenazi and not indigenous to the Land of Israel?

Obviously they immigrated from Russia, Germany, Poland, France and elsewhere in Europe. The Arabs never left. In fact, most Palestinians are descended from Jewish farmers who stayed behind to maintain the Roman aqueducts and terraces. and tend the ancient olive trees.
 
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Obviously they immigrated from Russia, Germany, Poland, France and elsewhere in Europe. The Arabs never left. In fact, most Palestinians are descended from Jewish farmers who stayed behind to maintain the Roman aqueducts and terraces. and tend the ancient olive trees.
Not Freud, nor any other psychiatrist can help anyone who insists in such highfaluting inventions in order to destroy one people, and only one people on the planet.

If Palestinians have always been Palestinians, then why did they only choose to be Palestinians in 1964?
Why no other invaders to the area ever refer to them by that nationality? Jews, Arabs, Druze, Bedouins, Christians, Muslims........NO Palestinians.

The answer really can be found way deep during a Voyage to the Center of the Earth.

Who will make the Voyage? How long will it take?
Will they find the answer they seek?


Stay Tuned.
 

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Not Freud, nor any other psychiatrist can help anyone who insists in such highfaluting inventions in order to destroy one people, and only one people on the planet.

If Palestinians have always been Palestinians, then why did they only choose to be Palestinians in 1964?
Why no other invaders to the area ever refer to them by that nationality? Jews, Arabs, Druze, Bedouins, Christians, Muslims........NO Palestinians.

The answer really can be found way deep during a Voyage to the Center of the Earth.

Who will make the Voyage? How long will it take?
Will they find the answer they seek?


Stay Tuned.

They were always called Palestinians.. The claim that they weren't called Palestinians until 1964 is an enduring lie.

Many Palestinians worked in Arabia in the 1950s some were Catholics and attended Mass... Fewer still were Protestants and went to my church.

Ben Gurion knew the Palestinians were descended from Jewish farmers long before DNA proved it to be true.
 
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They were always called Palestinians.. The claim that they weren't called Palestinians until 1964 is an enduring lie.

Many Palestinians worked in Arabia in the 1950s some were Catholics and attended Mass... Fewer still were Protestants and went to my church.

Ben Gurion knew the Palestinians were descended from Jewish farmers long before DNA proved it to be true.
Try finding us a source where the Arabs were called Palestinians before WWI, and before the Mandate for Palestine, where ALL who lived in the Mandate started being called Palestinians because the British chose to call the Mandate......Palestine, instead of Israel.

I ask for proof, you give nothing.

Ben Gurion ....said NOTHING like that
DNA......says NOTHING like that

Your sources are the Windmills of your mind.
 
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...the Jews/Israelis are smart-industrious-etc.....the Pals are violent/terrorists/stupid/non-industrious.........both have various analogical groups in the US.......
...using the word colonialism with the Israelis is nonsensical
 

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Try finding us a source where the Arabs were called Palestinians before WWI, and before the Mandate for Palestine, where ALL who lived in the Mandate started being called Palestinians because the British chose to call the Mandate......Palestine, instead of Israel.

I ask for proof, you give nothing.

Ben Gurion ....said NOTHING like that
DNA......says NOTHING like that

Your sources are the Windmills of your mind.

Ben Gurion claimed the Palestinians were descended from Jewish farmers who stayed in Palestine.. Schlomo Sands says the same thing. With DNA studies 90% of Palestinians have Jewish ancestry.

Look at old maps from the 1800s. It says Palestine NOT Israel. Chaucer and Shakespeare wrote about Palestine.

Much, much earlier Herodotus said Palestine was a province of Syria..
 
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Ben Gurion claimed the Palestinians were descended from Jewish farmers who stayed in Palestine.. Schlomo Sands says the same thing. With DNA studies 90% of Palestinians have Jewish ancestry.

Look at old maps from the 1800s. It says Palestine NOT Israel. Chaucer and Shakespeare wrote about Palestine.

Much, much earlier Herodotus said Palestine was a province of Syria..
A Region does not a people make. You are delusional as always.

No source for Ben Gurion.

Sands is an Iraqi Jew who was upset at Israel, blamed his father's unsuccessful end in life after Jews were forced to leave Iraq in 1950 by Nazi Iraqis on Zionism, and became against it because he could not deal with it.

He is the ONLY Iraqi Jew who ever became upset at Israel after leaving Iraq as a child.

Did Sands say what you say he said? Which page on his book? Give the page and quote exactly.

I have already educated you as to what part of the land Herodotus chose to call Palestine, after what people, and why.
 

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A Region does not a people make. You are delusional as always.

No source for Ben Gurion.

Sands is an Iraqi Jew who was upset at Israel, blamed his father's unsuccessful end in life after Jews were forced to leave Iraq in 1950 by Nazi Iraqis on Zionism, and became against it because he could not deal with it.

He is the ONLY Iraqi Jew who ever became upset at Israel after leaving Iraq as a child.

Did Sands say what you say he said? Which page on his book? Give the page and quote exactly.

I have already educated you as to what part of the land Herodotus chose to call Palestine, after what people, and why.


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