Israel got its statehood using terrorisms

[Robert W]

Deflection outs you. I am not defending socialism by setting you correctly on Hitler's political philosophy. He was a fascist not a socialist.

02/04/2022David Gordon
Many readers will already know that Ludwig von Mises considers the Nazi economy to be a form of socialism. In the Nazi system, private property in production goods existed in name only. The ostensible owners were merely managers bound to follow the government’s directives. Rainer Zitelmann, the foremost authority on Adolf Hitler’s economic policies, has fully confirmed Mises’s analysis in Hitler’s National Socialism, which will be published next month. (The book is a revision and expansion of Zitelmann’s earlier book Hitler: The Politics of Seduction). Zitelmann also points out that Hitler admired Joseph Stalin’s economic planning and viewed him as a fellow exponent of a centrally planned economy.
In this week’s column, I’d like to discuss a letter that Mises wrote to the New York Times in June 1942 in which he discusses the Nazi wartime economy in substantial detail, making points about it that he doesn’t mention elsewhere.
Mises first sets forward his conception of the Nazi economy:

The German pattern of socialism (Zwangswirtschaft) [“compulsory economy”] is characterized by the fact that it maintains, although only nominally, some institutions of capitalism. Labor is, of course, no longer a “commodity”; the labor market has been solemnly abolished; the government fixes wage rates and assigns every worker the place where he must work. Private ownership has been nominally untouched. In fact, however, the former entrepreneurs have been reduced to the status of shop managers (Betriebsfuehrer). The government tells them what and how to produce, at what prices and from whom to buy, at what prices and from whom to sell. Business may remonstrate against inconvenient injunctions, but the final decision rests with the authorities.

It Wasn't Capitalism: Mises Explains Nazi Economics | David Gordon

Many readers will already know that Ludwig von Mises considers the Nazi economy to be a form of socialism. In the Nazi system, private property in production goods existed in name only. The ostensible owners were merely managers bound to follow the government’s directives.

mises.org

 

[surada]

I will look it up when you tell me what page. He put Jehovah witness into Dachau so what did that prove? He also jailed communists.

Tell me why you keep defending socialists????????????????????

I already told you Hitler jailed socialists, Communists, Jews and Democrats.

I am not defending anyone. I think you have a screw loose.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Please John, you have a personal interest in this. To the point you drag up Fascism with no proof at all, and it looks like you really defend socialism.

I have no personal interest in other than you use terms properly.

 

[Kruska]

For readers edification.... this man went to a war college at Hamburg, Germany. So that is his education back ground. We also have a war college.

Where did I state that I went to a war-college? I stated that I attended the Bundeswehr University
Where did I state that I attended in Hamburg?
Where did I state that this solely represents my educational background? - maybe I have other Degrees and Diplomas from other Universities as well?

As usual your statements are based on personal assumptions, therefore wrong and plain speculative. - just like your Socialism = NSDAP

And you still keep on, persistently posting your Socialist=Nazi nonsense, in the WRONG thread.

 

[Robert W]

Where did I state that I went to a war-college? I stated that I attended the Bundeswehr University
Where did I state that I attended in Hamburg?
Where did I state that this solely represents my educational background? - maybe I have other Degrees and Diplomas from other Universities as well?

As usual your statements are based on personal assumptions, therefore wrong and plain speculative. - just like your Socialism = NSDAP

And you still keep on, persistently posting your Socialist=Nazi nonsense, in the WRONG thread.

You did mention Bundeswehr University so I looked it up.

I did treat you fairly and if you are not now or never were an officer in the German army, please accept my apology.
I came to my conclusion not due to politics of today, but from German speaking experts like Mises and Hayek. I simply agree with those who admit Hitler was a socialist. I notice that I am apparently dealing with socialists since they are upset about my remarks.

 

[P F Tinmore]

When going so far back in history of any event you have to skip over a lot of pertinent facts.... That land has had a lot of different people claim it as their own... so if you really want to see who was there first... delve into that bit of history... I'm sure you will be shock.....

THE GENETIC ORIGINS OF THE PALESTINIANS​

 

[Kruska]

You did mention Bundeswehr University so I looked it up.

There isn't just one in Germany

I came to my conclusion not due to politics of today, but from German speaking experts like Mises and Hayek. I simply agree with those who admit Hitler was a socialist.

What does the economist Mises and mentor of the economist Hayek have to do with your absurd claims? Mises and Hayek opposed Socialism due to in their opinion, of Socialism not being a feasible economic concept.
Where does or did any of the two state, that Hitler was a Socialist? or that the NSDAP was a Socialist party implementing Socialism? E.g. in the Counter-Revolution of Science, written by Hayek.

In establishing national socialism, the Nazis sought to redefine socialism. National socialism began as a fusion of selected socialist ideas of a technologically-managed economy with Völkisch nationalism, a deeply anti-Semitic form of German nationalism. In their burgeoning ideology, the Nazis saw both capitalism and communism as unhealthily materialistic and based in selfishness rather than national unity, traits they negatively associated with Judaism. Oswald Spengler, one of the main intellectual influences of Nazism, went so far as to call Marxism “the capitalism of the working class.” The Nazis’ redefinition of socialism was realized through the Volksgemeinschaft, which served as a means of connecting and subjugating the individual to the state.

Socialism is about DISCONNECTING the individual from State control, as such the individual owns and controls the economy - and NOT the State
Communism is about subjugating the individual to the State - and the State owns and controls the economy.
Nazism is about subjugating the individual to the State, thus forming a Volksgemeinschaft. And this (Peoples Community Affiliation) is defined by racist principle and a racist idiology - aka only for Germanic people - and not for workers in general or the people in general as such.

What you and your US right-wingers propagate as being Socialism - are the writings in the aftermath of the French Revolution by Saint-Simon, who envisioned a totalitarian society ruled by a technocratic elite made up of industrialists, academics, businessmen, and scientists. And has absolutley nothing to do with being based onto a racist principle. Furthermore this Saint-Simon ideology died in the mid 19th century - being replaced by Marxism, and Socialism based on a democratic society.

I notice that I am apparently dealing with socialists since they are upset about my remarks.

I don't see or have noticed any Socialist on this thread - the only one who is upset is you, simply due to you being told that your assertion is plain humbug.
This will be my last reply to you in this matter, on this thread - the topic of this thread is:

Israel got its statehood using terrorism​

 

[Robert W]

There isn't just one in Germany

What does the economist Mises and mentor of the economist Hayek have to do with your absurd claims? Mises and Hayek opposed Socialism due to in their opinion, of Socialism not being a feasible economic concept.
Where does or did any of the two state, that Hitler was a Socialist? or that the NSDAP was a Socialist party implementing Socialism? E.g. in the Counter-Revolution of Science, written by Hayek.

In establishing national socialism, the Nazis sought to redefine socialism. National socialism began as a fusion of selected socialist ideas of a technologically-managed economy with Völkisch nationalism, a deeply anti-Semitic form of German nationalism. In their burgeoning ideology, the Nazis saw both capitalism and communism as unhealthily materialistic and based in selfishness rather than national unity, traits they negatively associated with Judaism. Oswald Spengler, one of the main intellectual influences of Nazism, went so far as to call Marxism “the capitalism of the working class.” The Nazis’ redefinition of socialism was realized through the Volksgemeinschaft, which served as a means of connecting and subjugating the individual to the state.

Socialism is about DISCONNECTING the individual from State control, as such the individual owns and controls the economy - and NOT the State
Communism is about subjugating the individual to the State - and the State owns and controls the economy.
Nazism is about subjugating the individual to the State, thus forming a Volksgemeinschaft. And this (Peoples Community Affiliation) is defined by racist principle and a racist idiology - aka only for Germanic people - and not for workers in general or the people in general as such.

What you and your US right-wingers propagate as being Socialism - are the writings in the aftermath of the French Revolution by Saint-Simon, who envisioned a totalitarian society ruled by a technocratic elite made up of industrialists, academics, businessmen, and scientists. And has absolutley nothing to do with being based onto a racist principle. Furthermore this Saint-Simon ideology died in the mid 19th century - being replaced by Marxism, and Socialism based on a democratic society.

I don't see or have noticed any Socialist on this thread - the only one who is upset is you, simply due to you being told that your assertion is plain humbug.
This will be my last reply to you in this matter, on this thread - the topic of this thread is:

Israel got its statehood using terrorism​

I am only stating that socialists would be the party defending themselves to divert blame to Hitler.

More from Mises:
We know, however, that Hitler did not proceed against the Left in the same way as he did against the Right. Some dedicated monarchists were also delivered into the concentration camps in certain cases, and some conservative bourgeois forces, such as Franz von Papen’s associates Herbert von Bose and Edgar Julius Jung, were shot along with the SA leaders on June 30, 1934. In the balance, however, it is incontestable that the Communists and the Social Democrats had to bear the greater sacrifices.

This has nothing to do with Hitler’s preference for the Right, however—quite the opposite. He regarded the right-wing and bourgeois forces as being cowardly, weak, without energy, and incapable of any resistance, whereas he assumed the Left to have the brave, courageous, determined, and therefore dangerous forces. And for him these were more appealing than the conservative elements, which he despised and basically no longer took seriously as opponents.

This mistaken ideological assessment was to be avenged, however, because it was not the Communists who became a danger for Hitler. He had convinced many of them to become fervent adherents of National Socialism. Others offered resistance, but they never posed a threat to Hitler’s rule. The actual dangers came from other forces, from conservatives such as Carl Friedrich Goerdeler, Ulrich von Hassell, and Johannes Popitz, who can only be described as extreme reactionaries, and from monarchists like Hans Oster and Wilhelm Canaris. At least from 1938 onward, these forces engaged in a systematic conspiracy and opposition that was by no means doomed to failure from the beginning.

It was only toward the end of his life, when he appreciated the total and irreversible failure of the Third Reich, that Hitler recognized that it had been a mistake to proceed one-sidedly against the forces on the left and to spare those on the right. At a conference of the gau leaders on February 24, 1945, he said, as his adjutant Nicolaus von Below reports, “We liquidated the left-wing class fighters, but unfortunately we forgot in the meantime to also launch the blow against the right. That is our great sin of omission.” As we know from numerous remarks to his inner circle, Hitler admired Joseph Stalin because he had consistently acted against the old elites. And his admiration for Stalin was accompanied by an increasing admiration of the state planned economy in the Soviet Union, which, in Hitler's view, was far superior to the liberal market economy.

 

[surada]

Jews (Hebrews) have always lived in the area of Judea (what Israel is now called). Many migrated and many of their descendants migrated back to Israel. If you dug up 3000 year old human remains and could extract the DNA, then obtained the DNA from many of the Jews there now, you would find that many are the descendants of the first inhabitants.
The truth is, like it or not, Jews (Hebrews) are what we call, the "First Nations People, or Indigenous Peoples). The Muslims are the interlopers, they fought their way into that region and conquered it. That doesn't negate the right of the descendants of the First Peoples right to have some of their territory back.
Many of the American Indian tribes were stolen were stolen via European colonization, however, recently, the Creek Indian Tribe recently regained a huge tract of their land back (half of Oklahoma) and we aren't sending rockets their way to take it back for the whites. They got it bac, and thus, good for them. It was theirs in the first place.
What most non-Muslims don't understand is that per the Quran, once a land is taken from the infidels in war, it is Islamic land and should the infidels manage to win it back, those infidels will forever be considered "occupiers" of Muslim land.
The whole problem boils down to that piece of crap book, the Quran. Their followers are brainwashed into it and it's the worst of all the existing religions and should be expunged.

They have the same genetic markers as the Palestinians.

Arabs have been in Palestine since the Akkadian Empire.. long before Islam.

During the Babylonian exile sargon2 settled four Arab tribes in Samaria.

They've been there forever.

Ignorance will kill us all.

 

[watchingfromafar]

But they are still chosen by God and will not be denied

Are God’s CHOSEN living up to His expectations?

(Deu 7:6 KJV) For thou art a holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

(Deu 7:7 KJV) The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:

(Deu 7:8 KJV) But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh King of Egypt.

(Deu 7:12 KJV) Wherefore it shall come to pass, if ye hearken to these judgments, and keep, and do them, that the LORD thy God shall keep unto thee the covenant and the mercy which he swore unto thy fathers:

(Deu 7:13 KJV) And he will love thee, and bless thee, and multiply thee: he will also bless the fruit of thy womb, and the fruit of thy land, thy corn, and thy wine, and thine oil, the increase of thy kin, and the flocks of thy sheep, in the land which he sware unto thy fathers to give thee.

"in the land which he swore unto thy fathers to give thee"​

The above means that God did not give the land to them yet. They must first earn this gift.

(Ezek 36:17 KJV) Son of man, when the house of Israel dwelt in their own land, they defiled it by their ..own way and by their doings: their way was before me as the uncleanness of a removed woman.

(Ezek 36:18 KJV) Wherefore I poured my fury upon them for the blood that they had shed upon the land, and for their idols wherewith they had polluted it.

(Ezek 36:22 KJV) Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.

(Ezek 36:24 KJV) For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
(the above verse became a living fact in 1947ad)

(Ezek 36:31 KJV) Then shall ye remember your own evil ways, and your doings that were not good, and shall loathe yourselves in your own sight for your iniquities and for your abominations.

(Ezek 36:32 KJV) Not for your sakes do I this, saith the Lord GOD, be it known unto you: be ashamed and confounded for your own ways, Ohouse of Israel.

(Ezek 36:24 KJV) states that they will be gather and once gathered He will judge them one last time. That day of judgement is NOW.
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[Mac-7]

Are God’s CHOSEN living up to His expectations?

(Deu 7:6 KJV) For thou art a holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

(Deu 7:7 KJV) The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:

(Deu 7:8 KJV) But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh King of Egypt.

(Deu 7:12 KJV) Wherefore it shall come to pass, if ye hearken to these judgments, and keep, and do them, that the LORD thy God shall keep unto thee the covenant and the mercy which he swore unto thy fathers:

(Deu 7:13 KJV) And he will love thee, and bless thee, and multiply thee: he will also bless the fruit of thy womb, and the fruit of thy land, thy corn, and thy wine, and thine oil, the increase of thy kin, and the flocks of thy sheep, in the land which he sware unto thy fathers to give thee.

"in the land which he swore unto thy fathers to give thee"​

The above means that God did not give the land to them yet. They must first earn this gift.

(Ezek 36:17 KJV) Son of man, when the house of Israel dwelt in their own land, they defiled it by their ..own way and by their doings: their way was before me as the uncleanness of a removed woman.

(Ezek 36:18 KJV) Wherefore I poured my fury upon them for the blood that they had shed upon the land, and for their idols wherewith they had polluted it.

(Ezek 36:22 KJV) Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.

(Ezek 36:24 KJV) For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
(the above verse became a living fact in 1947ad)

(Ezek 36:31 KJV) Then shall ye remember your own evil ways, and your doings that were not good, and shall loathe yourselves in your own sight for your iniquities and for your abominations.

(Ezek 36:32 KJV) Not for your sakes do I this, saith the Lord GOD, be it known unto you: be ashamed and confounded for your own ways, Ohouse of Israel.

(Ezek 36:24 KJV) states that they will be gather and once gathered He will judge them one last time. That day of judgement is NOW.
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The Jews are notoriously difficult people

They tested God’s patience throughout the Old Testiment

But I dont question God’s choice

 

[P F Tinmore]

Are God’s CHOSEN living up to His expectations?

(Deu 7:6 KJV) For thou art a holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

(Deu 7:7 KJV) The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:

(Deu 7:8 KJV) But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh King of Egypt.

(Deu 7:12 KJV) Wherefore it shall come to pass, if ye hearken to these judgments, and keep, and do them, that the LORD thy God shall keep unto thee the covenant and the mercy which he swore unto thy fathers:

(Deu 7:13 KJV) And he will love thee, and bless thee, and multiply thee: he will also bless the fruit of thy womb, and the fruit of thy land, thy corn, and thy wine, and thine oil, the increase of thy kin, and the flocks of thy sheep, in the land which he sware unto thy fathers to give thee.

"in the land which he swore unto thy fathers to give thee"​

The above means that God did not give the land to them yet. They must first earn this gift.

(Ezek 36:17 KJV) Son of man, when the house of Israel dwelt in their own land, they defiled it by their ..own way and by their doings: their way was before me as the uncleanness of a removed woman.

(Ezek 36:18 KJV) Wherefore I poured my fury upon them for the blood that they had shed upon the land, and for their idols wherewith they had polluted it.

(Ezek 36:22 KJV) Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.

(Ezek 36:24 KJV) For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
(the above verse became a living fact in 1947ad)

(Ezek 36:31 KJV) Then shall ye remember your own evil ways, and your doings that were not good, and shall loathe yourselves in your own sight for your iniquities and for your abominations.

(Ezek 36:32 KJV) Not for your sakes do I this, saith the Lord GOD, be it known unto you: be ashamed and confounded for your own ways, Ohouse of Israel.

(Ezek 36:24 KJV) states that they will be gather and once gathered He will judge them one last time. That day of judgement is NOW.
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The Jews were God's chosen people. They were chosen to to obey God's law. They did not so God scattered them to the wind. They are not to return until called back by the Messiah.

 

[Kruska]

But I dont question God’s choice

Absolutely irrelevant to anyone who either doesn't believe in the existence of a God - nor to anyone who doesn't believe in a self-written book or as such in the Torah, aka any non Jew and agnostic.
Therefore you end up globally with 15 million Jews that are in opposition to the remaining 8 billion people on this planet.

 

[JusticeHammer]

Does not matter how far back you want to go or not.
Israel is the one starving the Gaza to death with an illegal blockade they have had for decades now.
Israel is the one who violated the UN partition by invading Jerusalem and the West Bank in 1967.
Israel is the one illegal confiscating Arab properties and expelling the native owners, every single day.

Maybe evil scum should stop attacking them. Go Israel, 100%

 

[Mac-7]

Absolutely irrelevant to anyone who either doesn't believe in the existence of a God - nor to anyone who doesn't believe in a self-written book or as such in the Torah, aka any non Jew and agnostic.
Therefore you end up globally with 15 million Jews that are in opposition to the remaining 8 billion people on this planet.

Ok

You dont believe

We get that

But your 8 billion cannot alter the will of God

 

[HeyNorm]

how far back in history do you really want to go??

My uncle was tortured by Japanese in WWII. So I get to rape and kill?

What a silly argument.

 

[progressive hunter]

My uncle was tortured by Japanese in WWII. So I get to rape and kill?

What a silly argument.

do you even know what argument I was making??

 

[Kruska]

Read a book and learn the truth... the whole truth not tic tok truth....

I don't gather my knowledge or convictions from reading a single book. especially not one that encompasses a mere 100 pages.

Israel was founded upon Jewish terrorism - fact

Israel and its radical Zionist pursued a Nazi philiosphy from the very beginning since the idea of "retaking" Palestine came up in 1917 until to today - fact.

The PLO/Fatah - especially Black September, and any other terrorist group in the Middle-East and other Muslim countries - took over the terrorist philosophy and actions they had learned and/or experienced by Zionist radical terrorist organizations - fact

There was NO terrorism and NO terrorist groups in the Middle-East and Palestine, before the radical Zionists arrived there from 1920 onward - fact.

Israel has persistently denied the Palestinians their own State based onto the UN 1947 Partition Plan - even after Egypt and the Arabs (who never had supported the Palestinians before 1993) abandoned their intentions and policy of war against Israel in 1974 - fact

Even after Jordan renounced its claims towards the West-Bank in 1993 (30 years ago) and recognized Palestinian authority and legality over the West-Bank, Israel has pursued it's illegal settlement policy in the West-Bank - fact

Israel has controlled Gaza from 1948 till 2005, 57 years - having annexed 85% of the former Gaza territory in 1948, pursuing Israeli settlement policy in the remaining Gaza as well as the annexed part. - fact (the latter territory is the one Hamas attacked-fact).

Since 2006 - the IDF was no more present in Gaza - Israel build an even better wall around them - severely restricting movement in an out of Gaza, thus controlling them economically - controlling their drinking-water, electricity right down to eliminating the Palestinian fishery industry due to severe - maritime restrictions - thus creating an economically unsustainable open air prison. - fact

As such Hamas started terrorist actions against Israel from 2006 onward - and Israels "retribution" action caused the usual, total out of ratio losses - thus creating even more Hamas members. - fact

On October 7th - Hamas and other Palestinian terrorist groups took their chances to launch a large raid (had never happened in Israels entire history since 1949) - simply due to Netanyahu and his government making such a raid even possible. - fact

That the vast majority of Israeli's therefore condemn Netanyahu and his government - fact
That the vast majority of Israeli's also want to see retribution - fact

Netanyahu now uses the October 7th incident - to cover up his own disastrous failure and policy - fact
Netanyahu now uses the October 7th incident to get rid of the Palestinians (not just Hamas) and reoccupy Gaza or parts of Gaza - fact

Netanyahu due to the obvious committed war-crimes in Gaza, intentionally hopes to create further violence in the West-Bank - thus enabling the radical Zionist Nazi faction to enact "retribution" towards the West-Bank - just as it has worked out with Gaza - fact.

Anyone who has been involved in warfare and anti-terrorism - is fully aware that the means Netanyahu employs - will never eradicate the "spirit" behind Hamas & Co. - fact.

He simply uses the present mood of enraged Israelis, to further the 1948 Zionist-Nazi philosophy to occupy all remaining Palestinian territory - drive out as many non-Jews as possible (ethnic-cleansing) to finally resurrect the "pure Jewish controlled" King David & Salomon Kingdom, that radical Zionists have re-envisioned since 1917. - fact

Now what does your little book (a Holocaust Novel with 100 pages - obviously you never read it) have to offer - that would FACTUALLY discredit my above mentioned statements and FACTS ?? which are ALL referring to Zionist-Nazis and their racial philosophy and actions committed towards Palestinians???

 

[HeyNorm]

do you even know what argument I was making??

Not intended for you. The argument that historic incidents gives a people the right to viciously rape and murder people today is silly at its core.

 

[Libby von H]

But it is statehood, so you are making the opposite point...Balfour Declaration, UN, US backing...IT IS NOW AS MUCH A STATE AS ANY IN THE WORLD