Israel got its statehood using terrorisms

[buttercup]

I'll say God says the Jews are his chosen people, and I ain't arguing with that.

Again, no one is arguing with that. I asked you what you believe that means. It's important to understand things like this, instead of just stating it. If one has a false belief, that belief can have the worst consequences. That's why truth is so important... because it isn't dependent on what you or I believe. It just is what it is.

 

[LuckyDuck]

For people whose ancestors had not lived there for 1,800 years.
Only a jew could have such illusions.

Jews (Hebrews) have always lived in the area of Judea (what Israel is now called). Many migrated and many of their descendants migrated back to Israel. If you dug up 3000 year old human remains and could extract the DNA, then obtained the DNA from many of the Jews there now, you would find that many are the descendants of the first inhabitants.
The truth is, like it or not, Jews (Hebrews) are what we call, the "First Nations People, or Indigenous Peoples). The Muslims are the interlopers, they fought their way into that region and conquered it. That doesn't negate the right of the descendants of the First Peoples right to have some of their territory back.
Many of the American Indian tribes were stolen were stolen via European colonization, however, recently, the Creek Indian Tribe recently regained a huge tract of their land back (half of Oklahoma) and we aren't sending rockets their way to take it back for the whites. They got it bac, and thus, good for them. It was theirs in the first place.
What most non-Muslims don't understand is that per the Quran, once a land is taken from the infidels in war, it is Islamic land and should the infidels manage to win it back, those infidels will forever be considered "occupiers" of Muslim land.
The whole problem boils down to that piece of crap book, the Quran. Their followers are brainwashed into it and it's the worst of all the existing religions and should be expunged.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Yes, but I'm not sure what you believe that means. Can you tell me in your own words? Is it your view that they don't need Jesus? If so, that is incorrect.

Needing Jesus and being defended by God are not exclusive of either concept.

 

[Kruska]

I have proven to most posters that Hitler was a socialist.

Really? by simply posting personal assumptions and citing sources that propagate this nonsense?

It is a known action by Anti-Socialists (in vast majority Americans) to propagate this nonsense - aka You like Socialism - then You also like Hitler

And proved the Germans love of him was not due to war, but due to his socialist operations.

Love? in politics? really? I am sure Trump also will propagate that the Americans LOVE him. You mix up Fanatics of a respective party - with its common voters.

The Germans (around 70%) in the 1920ies to 30'ies were afraid off Communism.
Around 55% were Nationalistic&Conservative oriented - thus in opposition to Socialism, Communism and the Social democrats. (the other 45%)

My grandfather (mother side) even voted in 1933/4 for the "Schreihals" (Squaller) as Hitler was commonly referred to by the general German population - due to Nazi fearmongering, thus propagating the imminent and deadly Communist threat to Germany - upon the Reichstagsbrand.

I have a major in history - obtained at the Bundeswehr Academy and - I have talked to hundreds of Germans who had lived at the time, including dozens of my own family members - I don't need someone to tell or propagate utter nonsense to me about the NSDAP or Hitler.

Hitler took the concept of Socialism and Communism "class focused" and replaced class with RACE and was aditionally obsessed with state and social control.

In order to garner sympathy (votes) amongst the general German population - the NSDAP organized e.g. Soup kitchens thus propagating "we are a party for the common people", and not we are Socialists.
Show me a single photo or news paper article from the NSDAP owned or controlled press that states - the/We the NSDAP are socialists. Or SA thugs holding banners saying - the/we the NSDAP are socialists.

The Nazis were not socialists - Full Fact

Despite naming themselves the national socialist party, the Nazi’s policies - including the persecution of left-wing critics - did not align with socialist ideals.

fullfact.org

Was Adolf Hitler a Socialist?

Hitler is often accused of being a socialist, usually for modern political reasons rather than history. He wasn't.

www.thoughtco.com

Ever heard about e.g. Prof. Sir Ian Kershaw? or e.g. Richard J. Evans, Regius Professor of Modern History at the University of Cambridge?

The Nazis were not socialists​

Adolf Hitler on the Nazi form of "socialism" (1932)

In July 1932 Adolf Hitler offered his definition of the Nazi form of "socialism". It differs from that of Marxists who, Hitler says, have "stolen the term".

alphahistory.com

Some conservative historians argue that Nazism is a factional offshoot or bastardized form of socialism. They point to nomenclature (“National Socialism”), Nazi control and regulation of the German economy and their vast public spending programs. This line of argument has, in recent times, been repeated by many conservative and far-right political pundits.
An interview with Hitler conducted by German-American writer and Nazi sympathiser George Sylvester Viereck in 1932

‘We might have called ourselves the Liberal Party. We chose to call ourselves the National Socialists. We are not internationalists. Our Socialism is national. We demand the fulfillment of the just claims of the productive classes by the State on the basis of race solidarity. To us, State and race are one…
As I had stated before - you "intentionally" pick out Socialist ideals, just as Hitler had picked out those that helped to promote a "sense of commonality" for a common racial oriented German society. - to construct the absurd claim of Socialism being akin to the Nazi doctrine.


The topic of this thread is: Israel got its Statehood using terrorism

Feel free to open your own thread - propagating your Socialism = NSDAP bull.

 

[Kruska]

Jews (Hebrews) have always lived in the area of Judea (what Israel is now called). Many migrated and many of their descendants migrated back to Israel.

No one disputes this - (certainly not me) but you dispute that the other Semitic groups were living there as well - way before a monotheistic belief was adopted by some of those Semitic tribes - henceforth calling themselves Israelite's. Hebrew only came up upon-after the Babylonian exile.

What you also deny is the FACT that before the British Mandate came into existence - a mere 20,000 Jews were living amongst 600,000 others in Palestine - whilst 700,000 Jews were living in the neighboring Muslim countries.

If you dug up 3000 year old human remains and could extract the DNA, then obtained the DNA from many of the Jews there now, you would find that many are the descendants of the first inhabitants.

This has been done - and those genetic tests only showed that the Ashkenazim Jews (the absolute majority of those 600,000 illegal Jewish-European immigrants) and sole proponents of Zionism, had no recognizable genetic identity with those Jews living at the time in Palestine nor with those Jews living in the Muslim neighborhood.

 

[Dalia]

Thanks but I am going by what the Nazis did. Thanks for the short history lesson where you try to defend Socialism.

That's why my-in-law who are socialists invited me to visit the German cemetery in Marigny Normandy, they are Bobos like Nutty and Fruity who don't even respect their descendant priest of the village during the second world war who fought for the survival of the villagers.

Picture of Marigny 1944.

 

[Robert W]

Really? by simply posting personal assumptions and citing sources that propagate this nonsense?

It is a known action by Anti-Socialists (in vast majority Americans) to propagate this nonsense - aka You like Socialism - then You also like Hitler

Love? in politics? really? I am sure Trump also will propagate that the Americans LOVE him. You mix up Fanatics of a respective party - with its common voters.

The Germans (around 70%) in the 1920ies to 30'ies were afraid off Communism.
Around 55% were Nationalistic&Conservative oriented - thus in opposition to Socialism, Communism and the Social democrats. (the other 45%)

My grandfather (mother side) even voted in 1933/4 for the "Schreihals" (Squaller) as Hitler was commonly referred to by the general German population - due to Nazi fearmongering, thus propagating the imminent and deadly Communist threat to Germany - upon the Reichstagsbrand.

I have a major in history - obtained at the Bundeswehr Academy and - I have talked to hundreds of Germans who had lived at the time, including dozens of my own family members - I don't need someone to tell or propagate utter nonsense to me about the NSDAP or Hitler.

Hitler took the concept of Socialism and Communism "class focused" and replaced class with RACE and was aditionally obsessed with state and social control.

In order to garner sympathy (votes) amongst the general German population - the NSDAP organized e.g. Soup kitchens thus propagating "we are a party for the common people", and not we are Socialists.
Show me a single photo or news paper article from the NSDAP owned or controlled press that states - the/We the NSDAP are socialists. Or SA thugs holding banners saying - the/we the NSDAP are socialists.

The Nazis were not socialists - Full Fact

Despite naming themselves the national socialist party, the Nazi’s policies - including the persecution of left-wing critics - did not align with socialist ideals.

fullfact.org

Was Adolf Hitler a Socialist?

Hitler is often accused of being a socialist, usually for modern political reasons rather than history. He wasn't.

www.thoughtco.com

Ever heard about e.g. Prof. Sir Ian Kershaw? or e.g. Richard J. Evans, Regius Professor of Modern History at the University of Cambridge?

The Nazis were not socialists​

Adolf Hitler on the Nazi form of "socialism" (1932)

In July 1932 Adolf Hitler offered his definition of the Nazi form of "socialism". It differs from that of Marxists who, Hitler says, have "stolen the term".

alphahistory.com

Some conservative historians argue that Nazism is a factional offshoot or bastardized form of socialism. They point to nomenclature (“National Socialism”), Nazi control and regulation of the German economy and their vast public spending programs. This line of argument has, in recent times, been repeated by many conservative and far-right political pundits.
An interview with Hitler conducted by German-American writer and Nazi sympathiser George Sylvester Viereck in 1932

‘We might have called ourselves the Liberal Party. We chose to call ourselves the National Socialists. We are not internationalists. Our Socialism is national. We demand the fulfillment of the just claims of the productive classes by the State on the basis of race solidarity. To us, State and race are one…
As I had stated before - you "intentionally" pick out Socialist ideals, just as Hitler had picked out those that helped to promote a "sense of commonality" for a common racial oriented German society. - to construct the absurd claim of Socialism being akin to the Nazi doctrine.


The topic of this thread is: Israel got its Statehood using terrorism

Feel free to open your own thread - propagating your Socialism = NSDAP bull.

Is this because you are a socialist? It seems strange to me for a German to denounce a socialist leader.

Also this is not about communism.
Friedrich Hayek, a famous economist also said that at the time, the Nazis ran a socialist country. So do you like Socialism or hate socialism?

 

[Robert W]

That's why my-in-law who are socialists invited me to visit the German cemetery in Marigny Normandy, they are Bobos like Nutty and Fruity who don't even respect their descendant priest of the village during the second world war who fought for the survival of the villagers.

Picture of Marigny 1944.

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Terrible damage was done in Normandy attempting to remove the Nazis. Today the majority of Americans can't discuss that history unless they turn to propaganda.

 

[Robert W]

No one disputes this - (certainly not me) but you dispute that the other Semitic groups were living there as well - way before a monotheistic belief was adopted by some of those Semitic tribes - henceforth calling themselves Israelite's. Hebrew only came up upon-after the Babylonian exile.

What you also deny is the FACT that before the British Mandate came into existence - a mere 20,000 Jews were living amongst 600,000 others in Palestine - whilst 700,000 Jews were living in the neighboring Muslim countries.

This has been done - and those genetic tests only showed that the Ashkenazim Jews (the absolute majority of those 600,000 illegal Jewish-European immigrants) and sole proponents of Zionism, had no recognizable genetic identity with those Jews living at the time in Palestine nor with those Jews living in the Muslim neighborhood.

Where is Palestine? I can't locate this place on the CIA world fact book. In fact I have checked other sites for the same place. So where is it. And why don't Arabs have this conclusion. They call where they live GAZA and West Bank.

 

[Flash]

Post WWII European Jews: "Hel lets go back to the Middle East and take the land away from the people living there and then put them in a ghetto, what could possibly go wrong?"

 

[Robert W]

Really? by simply posting personal assumptions and citing sources that propagate this nonsense?

It is a known action by Anti-Socialists (in vast majority Americans) to propagate this nonsense - aka You like Socialism - then You also like Hitler

Love? in politics? really? I am sure Trump also will propagate that the Americans LOVE him. You mix up Fanatics of a respective party - with its common voters.

The Germans (around 70%) in the 1920ies to 30'ies were afraid off Communism.
Around 55% were Nationalistic&Conservative oriented - thus in opposition to Socialism, Communism and the Social democrats. (the other 45%)

My grandfather (mother side) even voted in 1933/4 for the "Schreihals" (Squaller) as Hitler was commonly referred to by the general German population - due to Nazi fearmongering, thus propagating the imminent and deadly Communist threat to Germany - upon the Reichstagsbrand.

I have a major in history - obtained at the Bundeswehr Academy and - I have talked to hundreds of Germans who had lived at the time, including dozens of my own family members - I don't need someone to tell or propagate utter nonsense to me about the NSDAP or Hitler.

Hitler took the concept of Socialism and Communism "class focused" and replaced class with RACE and was aditionally obsessed with state and social control.

In order to garner sympathy (votes) amongst the general German population - the NSDAP organized e.g. Soup kitchens thus propagating "we are a party for the common people", and not we are Socialists.
Show me a single photo or news paper article from the NSDAP owned or controlled press that states - the/We the NSDAP are socialists. Or SA thugs holding banners saying - the/we the NSDAP are socialists.

The Nazis were not socialists - Full Fact

Despite naming themselves the national socialist party, the Nazi’s policies - including the persecution of left-wing critics - did not align with socialist ideals.

fullfact.org

Was Adolf Hitler a Socialist?

Hitler is often accused of being a socialist, usually for modern political reasons rather than history. He wasn't.

www.thoughtco.com

Ever heard about e.g. Prof. Sir Ian Kershaw? or e.g. Richard J. Evans, Regius Professor of Modern History at the University of Cambridge?

The Nazis were not socialists​

Adolf Hitler on the Nazi form of "socialism" (1932)

In July 1932 Adolf Hitler offered his definition of the Nazi form of "socialism". It differs from that of Marxists who, Hitler says, have "stolen the term".

alphahistory.com

Some conservative historians argue that Nazism is a factional offshoot or bastardized form of socialism. They point to nomenclature (“National Socialism”), Nazi control and regulation of the German economy and their vast public spending programs. This line of argument has, in recent times, been repeated by many conservative and far-right political pundits.
An interview with Hitler conducted by German-American writer and Nazi sympathiser George Sylvester Viereck in 1932

‘We might have called ourselves the Liberal Party. We chose to call ourselves the National Socialists. We are not internationalists. Our Socialism is national. We demand the fulfillment of the just claims of the productive classes by the State on the basis of race solidarity. To us, State and race are one…
As I had stated before - you "intentionally" pick out Socialist ideals, just as Hitler had picked out those that helped to promote a "sense of commonality" for a common racial oriented German society. - to construct the absurd claim of Socialism being akin to the Nazi doctrine.


The topic of this thread is: Israel got its Statehood using terrorism

Feel free to open your own thread - propagating your Socialism = NSDAP bull.

Frankly due to your attending that academy, at Hamburg, it does carry important weight. Apparently you were taught to not agree with Friedrich Hayek. I get it.
Again, are you defending Socialism?

 

[Robert W]

Really? by simply posting personal assumptions and citing sources that propagate this nonsense?

It is a known action by Anti-Socialists (in vast majority Americans) to propagate this nonsense - aka You like Socialism - then You also like Hitler

Love? in politics? really? I am sure Trump also will propagate that the Americans LOVE him. You mix up Fanatics of a respective party - with its common voters.

The Germans (around 70%) in the 1920ies to 30'ies were afraid off Communism.
Around 55% were Nationalistic&Conservative oriented - thus in opposition to Socialism, Communism and the Social democrats. (the other 45%)

My grandfather (mother side) even voted in 1933/4 for the "Schreihals" (Squaller) as Hitler was commonly referred to by the general German population - due to Nazi fearmongering, thus propagating the imminent and deadly Communist threat to Germany - upon the Reichstagsbrand.

I have a major in history - obtained at the Bundeswehr Academy and - I have talked to hundreds of Germans who had lived at the time, including dozens of my own family members - I don't need someone to tell or propagate utter nonsense to me about the NSDAP or Hitler.

Hitler took the concept of Socialism and Communism "class focused" and replaced class with RACE and was aditionally obsessed with state and social control.

In order to garner sympathy (votes) amongst the general German population - the NSDAP organized e.g. Soup kitchens thus propagating "we are a party for the common people", and not we are Socialists.
Show me a single photo or news paper article from the NSDAP owned or controlled press that states - the/We the NSDAP are socialists. Or SA thugs holding banners saying - the/we the NSDAP are socialists.

The Nazis were not socialists - Full Fact

Despite naming themselves the national socialist party, the Nazi’s policies - including the persecution of left-wing critics - did not align with socialist ideals.

fullfact.org

Was Adolf Hitler a Socialist?

Hitler is often accused of being a socialist, usually for modern political reasons rather than history. He wasn't.

www.thoughtco.com

Ever heard about e.g. Prof. Sir Ian Kershaw? or e.g. Richard J. Evans, Regius Professor of Modern History at the University of Cambridge?

The Nazis were not socialists​

Adolf Hitler on the Nazi form of "socialism" (1932)

In July 1932 Adolf Hitler offered his definition of the Nazi form of "socialism". It differs from that of Marxists who, Hitler says, have "stolen the term".

alphahistory.com

Some conservative historians argue that Nazism is a factional offshoot or bastardized form of socialism. They point to nomenclature (“National Socialism”), Nazi control and regulation of the German economy and their vast public spending programs. This line of argument has, in recent times, been repeated by many conservative and far-right political pundits.
An interview with Hitler conducted by German-American writer and Nazi sympathiser George Sylvester Viereck in 1932

‘We might have called ourselves the Liberal Party. We chose to call ourselves the National Socialists. We are not internationalists. Our Socialism is national. We demand the fulfillment of the just claims of the productive classes by the State on the basis of race solidarity. To us, State and race are one…
As I had stated before - you "intentionally" pick out Socialist ideals, just as Hitler had picked out those that helped to promote a "sense of commonality" for a common racial oriented German society. - to construct the absurd claim of Socialism being akin to the Nazi doctrine.


The topic of this thread is: Israel got its Statehood using terrorism

Feel free to open your own thread - propagating your Socialism = NSDAP bull.

I believe the WW2 Germans who clearly were truly admiring and maybe loved Hitler. I maintain it was being bombed that turned many Germans away from Hitler. But prior to that due to him, Germany prospered. Normally when a country prospers, they hand credit to somebody. And I say Germans handed credit to Hitler. However any group being bombed will change their minds over time. You seem to be anti Trump. Why is that?

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Is this because you are a socialist? It seems strange to me for a German to denounce a socialist leader.

Also this is not about communism.
Friedrich Hayek, a famous economist also said that at the time, the Nazis ran a socialist country. So do you like Socialism or hate socialism?

Hayek was wrong. Hitler took over a socialist party, eliminated the socialists, and allied a fascist-private partnership with business.

 

[Robert W]

Hayek was wrong. Hitler took over a socialist party, eliminated the socialists, and allied a fascist-private partnership with business.

I believe you are trying to force me to take your word. I wonder if your status is as high as Friedrich Hayek's is?

Say, do you agree that socialism is evil? It would be a miracle for Hitler to get rid of all socialists. Why did he include so many socialist forms of Governing? I am still checking my best book on Fascism to clear up why you turn to them.

 

[Robert W]

Really? by simply posting personal assumptions and citing sources that propagate this nonsense?

It is a known action by Anti-Socialists (in vast majority Americans) to propagate this nonsense - aka You like Socialism - then You also like Hitler

Love? in politics? really? I am sure Trump also will propagate that the Americans LOVE him. You mix up Fanatics of a respective party - with its common voters.

The Germans (around 70%) in the 1920ies to 30'ies were afraid off Communism.
Around 55% were Nationalistic&Conservative oriented - thus in opposition to Socialism, Communism and the Social democrats. (the other 45%)

My grandfather (mother side) even voted in 1933/4 for the "Schreihals" (Squaller) as Hitler was commonly referred to by the general German population - due to Nazi fearmongering, thus propagating the imminent and deadly Communist threat to Germany - upon the Reichstagsbrand.

I have a major in history - obtained at the Bundeswehr Academy and - I have talked to hundreds of Germans who had lived at the time, including dozens of my own family members - I don't need someone to tell or propagate utter nonsense to me about the NSDAP or Hitler.

Hitler took the concept of Socialism and Communism "class focused" and replaced class with RACE and was aditionally obsessed with state and social control.

In order to garner sympathy (votes) amongst the general German population - the NSDAP organized e.g. Soup kitchens thus propagating "we are a party for the common people", and not we are Socialists.
Show me a single photo or news paper article from the NSDAP owned or controlled press that states - the/We the NSDAP are socialists. Or SA thugs holding banners saying - the/we the NSDAP are socialists.

The Nazis were not socialists - Full Fact

Despite naming themselves the national socialist party, the Nazi’s policies - including the persecution of left-wing critics - did not align with socialist ideals.

fullfact.org

Was Adolf Hitler a Socialist?

Hitler is often accused of being a socialist, usually for modern political reasons rather than history. He wasn't.

www.thoughtco.com

Ever heard about e.g. Prof. Sir Ian Kershaw? or e.g. Richard J. Evans, Regius Professor of Modern History at the University of Cambridge?

The Nazis were not socialists​

Adolf Hitler on the Nazi form of "socialism" (1932)

In July 1932 Adolf Hitler offered his definition of the Nazi form of "socialism". It differs from that of Marxists who, Hitler says, have "stolen the term".

alphahistory.com

Some conservative historians argue that Nazism is a factional offshoot or bastardized form of socialism. They point to nomenclature (“National Socialism”), Nazi control and regulation of the German economy and their vast public spending programs. This line of argument has, in recent times, been repeated by many conservative and far-right political pundits.
An interview with Hitler conducted by German-American writer and Nazi sympathiser George Sylvester Viereck in 1932

‘We might have called ourselves the Liberal Party. We chose to call ourselves the National Socialists. We are not internationalists. Our Socialism is national. We demand the fulfillment of the just claims of the productive classes by the State on the basis of race solidarity. To us, State and race are one…
As I had stated before - you "intentionally" pick out Socialist ideals, just as Hitler had picked out those that helped to promote a "sense of commonality" for a common racial oriented German society. - to construct the absurd claim of Socialism being akin to the Nazi doctrine.


The topic of this thread is: Israel got its Statehood using terrorism

Feel free to open your own thread - propagating your Socialism = NSDAP bull.

For readers edification.... this man went to a war college at Hamburg, Germany. So that is his education back ground. We also have a war college.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

I believe you are trying to force me to take your word. I wonder if your status is as high as Friedrich Hayek's is?

Say, do you agree that socialism is evil? It would be a miracle for Hitler to get rid of all socialists. Why did he include so many socialist forms of Governing? I am still checking my best book on Fascism to clear up why you turn to them.

I am telling you the fact. Hitler killed or incarcerated socialists. You know the SA was a socialist organization and that Hitler destroyed it.

Check all the definitions of German fascism, its characteristics, etc. It had right and left components.

 

[Robert W]

I am telling you the fact. Hitler killed or incarcerated socialists. You know the SA was a socialist organization and that Hitler destroyed it.

Check all the definitions of German fascism, its characteristics, etc. It had right and left components.

Because as you allege, he killed some socialists, such as Rohm, it does not mean the was not a socialist himself. Hitler also forced Erwin Rommel to take poison. Does this mean Rommel was not a great general officer.

In my case, I did not merely tell the story. I cited evidence that Hayek, himself an expert on Germany, told the world Hitler was actually a socialist. In my case it is based on several things. First I spent more than a year in Germany. Gave me a chance to talk to Germans and get their take on history. I think Americans denying Hitler to be a socialist actually see themselves as socialists so think all I say is merely an insult. But this is not the case for me.

Kruska seems to be a German officer since he says he studied at the German officers war college. And he agrees it seems with you. Normally the German military experts are pretty damned right. But they do not all agree with each other as you may understand.

If I want to say Hitler was a fascist, I will perhaps go along after I study my book that amounts to a bible of Fascism and I trust a scholar more than a person who posts.

 

[Robert W]

Hayek was wrong. Hitler took over a socialist party, eliminated the socialists, and allied a fascist-private partnership with business.

Hitler bossed the industrialists. And forced them to make armaments among things Hitler needed for war. I already knew that Hitler killed large numbers of the Brown shirts as Rohm was called. But that does not mean Adolph was not himself a believer in socialism.

Tell me why you defend socialism?

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Hitler bossed the industrialists. And forced them to make armaments among things Hitler needed for war. I already knew that Hitler killed large numbers of the Brown shirts as Rohm was called. But that does not mean Adolph was not himself a believer in socialism.

Tell me why you defend socialism?

Deflection outs you. I am not defending socialism by setting you correctly on Hitler's political philosophy. He was a fascist not a socialist.

 

[Robert W]

Deflection outs you. I am not defending socialism by setting you correctly on Hitler's political philosophy. He was a fascist not a socialist.

Please John, you have a personal interest in this. To the point you drag up Fascism with no proof at all, and it looks like you really defend socialism.