P F Tinmore
Diamond Member
- Dec 6, 2009
- 86,369
- 4,876
- 1,815
Examples?
Israel does not target civilians?
- Thread starter fanger
- Start date
- Status
Yes. Examples such as were posted only two days ago in an active thread.
Go find them and educate yourself instead of asking others to constantly reiterate what you already know but are in de-Nile of.
P F Tinmore
Diamond Member
- Dec 6, 2009
- 86,369
- 4,876
- 1,815
People casually standing around don't look like people under any threat.
Nice duck, but you asked for examples and now you deny them
Try these then
...... because the video, photographic, eye-witness, UN recorded and other documentation is all a part of a global conspiracy.
Seek treatment for your diagnosis of Pal'istanian Mentality
RoccoR
Gold Member
Phoenall, Hollie, et al,
Everyone already knows this. Even the UN Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon and the International Criminal Court (ICC) Chief Prosecutor Fatou Bensouda knows this. It is not that the "Truth" is not "Out There;" it is politics. Whether a Political Personality, like Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon, who possesses knowledge or evidence, not otherwise protected, concerning a member nation or observer nation like the State of Palestine, who intentionally used the cover of the UN, by locating legitimate military targets in Densely Populated Areas or adjacent to UN facilities and protected activities, for the purpose of to rendering Palestinian terrorist, insurgent, and asymmetric forces, and leadership immune from Israeli targeting ”IS NOT maintaining the highest standards of ethical conduct which lend any public confidence in the Organization of the United Nations.
Whether an International Prosecutor, like Fatou Bensouda, who fails to speak-out and or reveal such knowledge under the color of the UN, justice and honesty, or fails to reveal such evidence that UN Representatives and activities are providing aid and support to alliance between Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) and are actively engaged in the selective prosecution Israel can be recognized, then it is a corrupt body. And when the UN renders legal defense efforts to the Palestinians entities --- they are corrupt. Failure to recognize that the HoAP have a history and long established pattern of criminal behaviors, and have effectively used UN ceasefires to prolong the conflict declared by the Arab Higher Committee in February 1948, they are corrupt. Failure to look in the mirror and see there is a correlation between doing nothing to protect the the Jewish minority, the very same people the Allied Nations abandoned in WWII, from the open attack by the Arab League is corrupt. And have done virtually nothing since.
Neither the ICC or the UN proper have earned any public confidence. In particular, the ICC has allowed the HoAP to abuse of judicial process through the improper use of criminal process by permitting the long standing aggressors of seven decades, to conducts acts of war and commit terrorist provocations, and then claim foul by making War Crime charges is not instilling confidence. It is as if the Arab Palestinians had nothing to do with starting the Civil War prior to 1948, did not participate in the 1948 War after the Arab League attacked in force, did not know anything about the 1972 Munich Olympics attack, and the thousand other bombing and acts of terrorism since then.
This all diminishes public confidence in the International legal system.
When impartiality is present, public confidence in the international judicial system is enhanced; but when the UN and ICC openly permit the HoAP to manipulate the system, THEN public confidence in the judicial system is eroded.
The international community know that the UN and ICRC intentionally allows Civilians and Civilian Objects from the Vicinity of their quasi-military operations. The HoAP win either way. If the Israelis do not respond, the HoAP wins the exchange. If the Israelis respond and civilians are killed, the HoAP get to submit yet another frivolous war crimes complaint. If the UN/ICRC allows the HoAP to use a Red Cross marked ambulances for tactical purposes, and the Israelis do not destroy it, then the HoAP win. If the Israelis destroy the ambulance, then the HoAP use it as an example of how the IDF targets civilian medical activities. If the HoAP kidnap and murder civilians in Israel, well that is just independent and unassociated crime; not terrorism. The HoAP are always "freedom fighters" and not jihadist that have dedicated themselves to returning the entire territory from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea to an Arab controlled entity.
Neither the UN nor the ICC take notice of these declarations and intentions. It is probably not worth the effort to even familiarize yourself with the mechanisms behind the UN and the ICC. They are not really worthy of any consideration. In fact, as a whole, until such time as the EU resolved itself to clean-up its enclaves of Islamic Militant Residential Districts that have become ever more prominent, we should not even render EU member nations much respect until they take a stand against radicalization.
Most Respectfully,
R
Everyone already knows this. Even the UN Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon and the International Criminal Court (ICC) Chief Prosecutor Fatou Bensouda knows this. It is not that the "Truth" is not "Out There;" it is politics. Whether a Political Personality, like Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon, who possesses knowledge or evidence, not otherwise protected, concerning a member nation or observer nation like the State of Palestine, who intentionally used the cover of the UN, by locating legitimate military targets in Densely Populated Areas or adjacent to UN facilities and protected activities, for the purpose of to rendering Palestinian terrorist, insurgent, and asymmetric forces, and leadership immune from Israeli targeting ”IS NOT maintaining the highest standards of ethical conduct which lend any public confidence in the Organization of the United Nations.
Whether an International Prosecutor, like Fatou Bensouda, who fails to speak-out and or reveal such knowledge under the color of the UN, justice and honesty, or fails to reveal such evidence that UN Representatives and activities are providing aid and support to alliance between Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) and are actively engaged in the selective prosecution Israel can be recognized, then it is a corrupt body. And when the UN renders legal defense efforts to the Palestinians entities --- they are corrupt. Failure to recognize that the HoAP have a history and long established pattern of criminal behaviors, and have effectively used UN ceasefires to prolong the conflict declared by the Arab Higher Committee in February 1948, they are corrupt. Failure to look in the mirror and see there is a correlation between doing nothing to protect the the Jewish minority, the very same people the Allied Nations abandoned in WWII, from the open attack by the Arab League is corrupt. And have done virtually nothing since.
Neither the ICC or the UN proper have earned any public confidence. In particular, the ICC has allowed the HoAP to abuse of judicial process through the improper use of criminal process by permitting the long standing aggressors of seven decades, to conducts acts of war and commit terrorist provocations, and then claim foul by making War Crime charges is not instilling confidence. It is as if the Arab Palestinians had nothing to do with starting the Civil War prior to 1948, did not participate in the 1948 War after the Arab League attacked in force, did not know anything about the 1972 Munich Olympics attack, and the thousand other bombing and acts of terrorism since then.
This all diminishes public confidence in the International legal system.
When impartiality is present, public confidence in the international judicial system is enhanced; but when the UN and ICC openly permit the HoAP to manipulate the system, THEN public confidence in the judicial system is eroded.
(COMMENT)
The international community know that the UN and ICRC intentionally allows Civilians and Civilian Objects from the Vicinity of their quasi-military operations. The HoAP win either way. If the Israelis do not respond, the HoAP wins the exchange. If the Israelis respond and civilians are killed, the HoAP get to submit yet another frivolous war crimes complaint. If the UN/ICRC allows the HoAP to use a Red Cross marked ambulances for tactical purposes, and the Israelis do not destroy it, then the HoAP win. If the Israelis destroy the ambulance, then the HoAP use it as an example of how the IDF targets civilian medical activities. If the HoAP kidnap and murder civilians in Israel, well that is just independent and unassociated crime; not terrorism. The HoAP are always "freedom fighters" and not jihadist that have dedicated themselves to returning the entire territory from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea to an Arab controlled entity.
Neither the UN nor the ICC take notice of these declarations and intentions. It is probably not worth the effort to even familiarize yourself with the mechanisms behind the UN and the ICC. They are not really worthy of any consideration. In fact, as a whole, until such time as the EU resolved itself to clean-up its enclaves of Islamic Militant Residential Districts that have become ever more prominent, we should not even render EU member nations much respect until they take a stand against radicalization.
Most Respectfully,
R
Last edited:
montelatici
Gold Member
- Feb 5, 2014
- 18,686
- 2,133
- 280
The one and only independent investigation of the attack on Gaza came up with far different conclusions. But, Rocco the propagandist knows that he only parrots Viscious Israeli Jew Occupier (VIGO) propaganda.
Physicians for Human Rights-Israel (PHR-Israel) recruited 8 independent international medical experts, who were not affiliated with either Israeli or Palestinian parties involved in the conflict. Experts were recruited in the fields of forensic pathology, emergency medicine, public health, paediatrics and paediatric intensive care, and health and human rights. Participants were chosen because of their professional expertise and their freedom from affiliation to any state or party in Israel and the occupied Palestinian territories (OPT), or to any relevant political body in any other country.
Just a gist of the report and how the VIJO managed to murder over a thousand women and children.
"• The overwhelming majority of injuries causing death or requiring hospitalisation seen by the Fact Finding Mission (FFM) ed. were the result of explosion or crush injuries, often multiple complex injuries; • A majority of hospitalised patients interviewed reported people being injured or killed while in, or very close to, their homes or those of relatives and neighbours; • Numerous cases in which - significant numbers of casualties including members of the same family and rescuers were killed or injured in a single incident; - ‘double tap’ or multiple consecutive strikes on a single location led to multiple civilian casualties and to injuries and deaths among rescuers; - heavy explosives were used in residential neighbourhoods, resulting in multiple civilian casualties; - emergency medical evacuation was not enabled and/or in which medical teams were killed or injured in the course of evacuation of the injured (notably in Shuja’iya, Gaza City); • At least one case in which a mine-breaching explosive device (tsefa shirion) was used in a residential street in Khuza’a, Khan Younis, causing massive destruction. • At least one case, of Shuhada’ Al Aqsa Hospital in Deir Al Balah, where several people were killed and injured in what was apparently a deliberate attack on the hospital on 21 July 2014. An in-depth study of the town of Khuza’a suggests that: • A convoy of hundreds of civilians came under fire while attempting to flee the town on 23 July 2014; • A medical clinic in which civilians and injured people were sheltering after this attack was hit by missiles, causing deaths and injuries; • A seriously injured 6-year-old child was not assisted and his evacuation was obstructed despite eye contact with troops on the ground on 24 July. He later died; • Civilians in a house occupied by Israeli soldiers suffered abuse and ill-treatment including beatings, denial of food and water, and use as human shields. One was shot dead at close range. 10 In addition, the FFM examined: • The strains placed on hospitals in Gaza during the attacks; • Problems with referral and evacuation of patients from Gaza hospitals to hospitals outside; • Long-term internal displacement in Gaza as a result of the partial or total destruction of about 18,000 homes; • Long-term psychosocial and mental health damage caused by this and previous wars; • An increased need for rehabilitation services and insufficient current resources in Gaza to meet them. Conclusions • The attacks were characterised by heavy and unpredictable bombardments of civilian neighbourhoods in a manner that failed to discriminate between legitimate targets and protected populations and caused widespread destruction of homes and civilian property. Such indiscriminate attacks, by aircraft, drones, artillery, tanks and gunships, were unlikely to have been the result of decisions made by individual soldiers or commanders; they must have entailed approval from top-level decision-makers in the Israeli military and/or government. • The initiators of the attacks, despite giving some prior warnings of these attacks, failed to take the requisite precautions that would effectively enable the safe evacuation of the civilian population, including provision of safe spaces and routes. As a result, there was no guaranteed safe space in the Gaza Strip, nor were there any safe escape routes from it. • In numerous cases double or multiple consecutive strikes on a single location led to multiple civilian casualties and to injuries and deaths among rescuers. • Coordination of medical evacuation was often denied and many attacks on medical teams and facilities were reported. It is not clear whether such contravention of medical neutrality was the result of a policy established by senior decision-makers, a general permissive atmosphere leading to the flouting of norms, or the result of individual choices made on the ground during armed clashes. • In Khuza’a, the reported conduct of specific troops in the area is indicative of......................"
https://gazahealthattack.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/gazareport_eng.pdf
Physicians for Human Rights-Israel (PHR-Israel) recruited 8 independent international medical experts, who were not affiliated with either Israeli or Palestinian parties involved in the conflict. Experts were recruited in the fields of forensic pathology, emergency medicine, public health, paediatrics and paediatric intensive care, and health and human rights. Participants were chosen because of their professional expertise and their freedom from affiliation to any state or party in Israel and the occupied Palestinian territories (OPT), or to any relevant political body in any other country.
Just a gist of the report and how the VIJO managed to murder over a thousand women and children.
"• The overwhelming majority of injuries causing death or requiring hospitalisation seen by the Fact Finding Mission (FFM) ed. were the result of explosion or crush injuries, often multiple complex injuries; • A majority of hospitalised patients interviewed reported people being injured or killed while in, or very close to, their homes or those of relatives and neighbours; • Numerous cases in which - significant numbers of casualties including members of the same family and rescuers were killed or injured in a single incident; - ‘double tap’ or multiple consecutive strikes on a single location led to multiple civilian casualties and to injuries and deaths among rescuers; - heavy explosives were used in residential neighbourhoods, resulting in multiple civilian casualties; - emergency medical evacuation was not enabled and/or in which medical teams were killed or injured in the course of evacuation of the injured (notably in Shuja’iya, Gaza City); • At least one case in which a mine-breaching explosive device (tsefa shirion) was used in a residential street in Khuza’a, Khan Younis, causing massive destruction. • At least one case, of Shuhada’ Al Aqsa Hospital in Deir Al Balah, where several people were killed and injured in what was apparently a deliberate attack on the hospital on 21 July 2014. An in-depth study of the town of Khuza’a suggests that: • A convoy of hundreds of civilians came under fire while attempting to flee the town on 23 July 2014; • A medical clinic in which civilians and injured people were sheltering after this attack was hit by missiles, causing deaths and injuries; • A seriously injured 6-year-old child was not assisted and his evacuation was obstructed despite eye contact with troops on the ground on 24 July. He later died; • Civilians in a house occupied by Israeli soldiers suffered abuse and ill-treatment including beatings, denial of food and water, and use as human shields. One was shot dead at close range. 10 In addition, the FFM examined: • The strains placed on hospitals in Gaza during the attacks; • Problems with referral and evacuation of patients from Gaza hospitals to hospitals outside; • Long-term internal displacement in Gaza as a result of the partial or total destruction of about 18,000 homes; • Long-term psychosocial and mental health damage caused by this and previous wars; • An increased need for rehabilitation services and insufficient current resources in Gaza to meet them. Conclusions • The attacks were characterised by heavy and unpredictable bombardments of civilian neighbourhoods in a manner that failed to discriminate between legitimate targets and protected populations and caused widespread destruction of homes and civilian property. Such indiscriminate attacks, by aircraft, drones, artillery, tanks and gunships, were unlikely to have been the result of decisions made by individual soldiers or commanders; they must have entailed approval from top-level decision-makers in the Israeli military and/or government. • The initiators of the attacks, despite giving some prior warnings of these attacks, failed to take the requisite precautions that would effectively enable the safe evacuation of the civilian population, including provision of safe spaces and routes. As a result, there was no guaranteed safe space in the Gaza Strip, nor were there any safe escape routes from it. • In numerous cases double or multiple consecutive strikes on a single location led to multiple civilian casualties and to injuries and deaths among rescuers. • Coordination of medical evacuation was often denied and many attacks on medical teams and facilities were reported. It is not clear whether such contravention of medical neutrality was the result of a policy established by senior decision-makers, a general permissive atmosphere leading to the flouting of norms, or the result of individual choices made on the ground during armed clashes. • In Khuza’a, the reported conduct of specific troops in the area is indicative of......................"
https://gazahealthattack.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/gazareport_eng.pdf
docmauser1
Gold Member
- Oct 8, 2010
- 7,274
- 698
- 190
When we see palistanian "Salam Now!!", marching on Ramallah, then we will talk, of course.
docmauser1
Gold Member
- Oct 8, 2010
- 7,274
- 698
- 190
... and George Soros. That's truly hilarious. Any more incredible source?
montelatici
Gold Member
- Feb 5, 2014
- 18,686
- 2,133
- 280
George Soros is Jewish. It is you who are hilarious. Speaking before doing any research.
RoccoR
Gold Member
montelatici, et al,
I read the Independent Medical Fact-Finding Mission --- Gaza 2014 and was impressed by the professionalism of the publication; but NOT of the findings or recommendations. For a Forensic Pathology report, it is a decent executive summary. As an Investigative Report, it is woefully absent of evidence.
First, I have no quarrel with the composition of the Fact-Finding Mission (FFM) Team. But you have to remember that while all seem to be exceptionally experienced in their specialty, not a single one of them is a professional intelligence, counterintelligence, law enforcement, or Prosecution Investigator of any kind.
• 1@ Forensic Anthropology
• 3@ Forensic Pathologist (Coroner/Medical Examiner)
• 1@ Pediatrician
• 1@ Emergency Medicine Physician
• 1@ Clinical Specialist in Public Health and Family Medicine
• 1@ Registered Nurse and International Health Expert (Middle East Experienced)
And While I think that this composite team would be an excellent choice for establishing or determining the cause of death (by examining a corpse) or the proximate cause of injuries and trauma; I'm not sure that they have the knowledge, skills, and abilities, to collect physical evidence from the scene of a crime (there is some question as to whether the alleged scene of the 68 crimes -- were even visited and subject to a rigorous examination); or if any of the 68 alleged crimes scenes (for which their were interviewed witnesses or survivor statements) were reconstruction to identify critical events necessary to establish the standard for the opening of a criminal case and to derive the logical conclusions relative to the facts (a criminal report). In fact, from this report, it cannot be established, with any degree of clarity, if the 68 surviving victims and 75 fatally injured were a result multiple events and exactly how many crime scenes and attacks are involved. What was made clear was that approximately 2000 people killed of which 1500 remained unidentified as of 20 August 2014.
The first FFM Team, entered the Gaza Strip on 19 August 2014; one week before the open-ended cease-fire was reached on 26 August 2014. Site visits were not timely. Limited evidence was collected.
First, let us acknowledge that there was sufficient evidence to support the following:
1. The information provided by the photographs was somewhat limited by technique of examination.
2. The majority of the injuries were characteristic of explosion injuries.
3. The majority of the decedents suffered multiple injuries of various types of trauma (e.g.,
burns, blunt trauma and perforation injuries in a single decedent). This finding confirms the
similar situation described in patients treated in hospital.
4. Several photographs demonstrated the presence of a white-gray powder material over body
surfaces. It was not possible to determine whether this was detritus from collapsed buildings
or some other material connected with the explosion. Therefore, the tissue samples collected
and retained by the Forensics Department require further scientific evaluation.
Some accusations relative to medical delays, evacuation delays, and (my personal favorite)
Warnings not followed by an attack, were just ridiculous. There has never been a battle when once the engagement begins, there is a safe place anywhere on the battlefield. And while the IDF did attempt to give warnings prior to an attack, there were times when, attacks and fire missions were aborted as a result of new tactical intelligence was consumed.
BUT, there is no evidence to support the accusations made that:
Several violations of human rights and international humanitarian law, stem from actions and decisions by multiple levels of the chain of military command. There was no evidence presented that gave direct information of multiple levels in the IDF chain of command directing an intentional violation of customary and IHL.
The claim that the IDF Heavily bombarded of civilian neighborhoods was unfounded. The IDF, to the extend feasible --- verified the legitimacy of military targets and objectives. The IDF did (when practical and possible), as a precautions to minimize incidental civilian losses, issued advanced warning prior to an attack.
I don't think I need to remind anyone that everyone on the battlefield is at risk. There is no real evidence that the IDF intentionally directed attacks on medical evacuation.
The IDF did not intentionally shooting unarmed civilians. While there were civilians wounded, there was not evidence to suggest that the deaths were not collateral or unintentional.
and finally to abuse and ill-treatment
The IDF did not use civilians as human shields and practices that could amount to Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment (CIDT). Anyone who has handled prisoners, knows that the prisoner is never allowed behind you. That is especially true for prisoners that are suspected of Jihadist Training.
There is no evidence that the IDF initiated attacks on a mass civilian exodus. The removal of Palestinians Civilians and Civilian Objects from the Vicinity of the battlefield is the responsibility of the Palestinians. It was the duty of the Palestinians, to the extent feasible, to remove civilian persons and objects under its control from the vicinity of military objectives.
There will always be those that suffer trauma, psychosocial and mental health problems as an outcome of the armed conflict. There is just no way around that. Military conflict is no a paintball game.
Allegations regarding irregular weapons; yah I saw this. I suspect that this evidence is a result of ancillary presence of secondary debris picked-up in the blast. I saw this remark by forensics that talked about finding "computer chips’ with Sony markings embedded as shrapnel in people’s bodies;" along with the accusation of using "flechettes." I studied the picture of the debris removed and find it much to large to be a "
flechette" and much the wrong shape. In one case, it looks like a washer or a small gear; while in the other case, it look like a copper fitting remnant. But in neither case were either result of some exotic projectile weapon. If I did not know better, I would say it looked much like something I've after an Suicide Bombing or a Improvised Explosive Device. But then that would be evidence of a bomb making factory; a legitimate military target.
I could probably write a book on this one report. But needless to say, it really is not necessary.
Most Respectfully,
R
I read the Independent Medical Fact-Finding Mission --- Gaza 2014 and was impressed by the professionalism of the publication; but NOT of the findings or recommendations. For a Forensic Pathology report, it is a decent executive summary. As an Investigative Report, it is woefully absent of evidence.
(COMMENT)
First, I have no quarrel with the composition of the Fact-Finding Mission (FFM) Team. But you have to remember that while all seem to be exceptionally experienced in their specialty, not a single one of them is a professional intelligence, counterintelligence, law enforcement, or Prosecution Investigator of any kind.
• 1@ Forensic Anthropology
• 3@ Forensic Pathologist (Coroner/Medical Examiner)
• 1@ Pediatrician
• 1@ Emergency Medicine Physician
• 1@ Clinical Specialist in Public Health and Family Medicine
• 1@ Registered Nurse and International Health Expert (Middle East Experienced)
The first FFM Team, entered the Gaza Strip on 19 August 2014; one week before the open-ended cease-fire was reached on 26 August 2014. Site visits were not timely. Limited evidence was collected.
First, let us acknowledge that there was sufficient evidence to support the following:
1. The information provided by the photographs was somewhat limited by technique of examination.
2. The majority of the injuries were characteristic of explosion injuries.
3. The majority of the decedents suffered multiple injuries of various types of trauma (e.g.,
burns, blunt trauma and perforation injuries in a single decedent). This finding confirms the
similar situation described in patients treated in hospital.
4. Several photographs demonstrated the presence of a white-gray powder material over body
surfaces. It was not possible to determine whether this was detritus from collapsed buildings
or some other material connected with the explosion. Therefore, the tissue samples collected
and retained by the Forensics Department require further scientific evaluation.
Some accusations relative to medical delays, evacuation delays, and (my personal favorite)
Warnings not followed by an attack, were just ridiculous. There has never been a battle when once the engagement begins, there is a safe place anywhere on the battlefield. And while the IDF did attempt to give warnings prior to an attack, there were times when, attacks and fire missions were aborted as a result of new tactical intelligence was consumed.
BUT, there is no evidence to support the accusations made that:
Several violations of human rights and international humanitarian law, stem from actions and decisions by multiple levels of the chain of military command. There was no evidence presented that gave direct information of multiple levels in the IDF chain of command directing an intentional violation of customary and IHL.
The claim that the IDF Heavily bombarded of civilian neighborhoods was unfounded. The IDF, to the extend feasible --- verified the legitimacy of military targets and objectives. The IDF did (when practical and possible), as a precautions to minimize incidental civilian losses, issued advanced warning prior to an attack.
I don't think I need to remind anyone that everyone on the battlefield is at risk. There is no real evidence that the IDF intentionally directed attacks on medical evacuation.
The IDF did not intentionally shooting unarmed civilians. While there were civilians wounded, there was not evidence to suggest that the deaths were not collateral or unintentional.
and finally to abuse and ill-treatment
The IDF did not use civilians as human shields and practices that could amount to Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment (CIDT). Anyone who has handled prisoners, knows that the prisoner is never allowed behind you. That is especially true for prisoners that are suspected of Jihadist Training.
There is no evidence that the IDF initiated attacks on a mass civilian exodus. The removal of Palestinians Civilians and Civilian Objects from the Vicinity of the battlefield is the responsibility of the Palestinians. It was the duty of the Palestinians, to the extent feasible, to remove civilian persons and objects under its control from the vicinity of military objectives.
There will always be those that suffer trauma, psychosocial and mental health problems as an outcome of the armed conflict. There is just no way around that. Military conflict is no a paintball game.
Allegations regarding irregular weapons; yah I saw this. I suspect that this evidence is a result of ancillary presence of secondary debris picked-up in the blast. I saw this remark by forensics that talked about finding "computer chips’ with Sony markings embedded as shrapnel in people’s bodies;" along with the accusation of using "flechettes." I studied the picture of the debris removed and find it much to large to be a "
flechette" and much the wrong shape. In one case, it looks like a washer or a small gear; while in the other case, it look like a copper fitting remnant. But in neither case were either result of some exotic projectile weapon. If I did not know better, I would say it looked much like something I've after an Suicide Bombing or a Improvised Explosive Device. But then that would be evidence of a bomb making factory; a legitimate military target.
I could probably write a book on this one report. But needless to say, it really is not necessary.
Most Respectfully,
R
The result of israel's response to acts of aggression from Islamic terrorists is that Islamic terrorists get killed.
Not surprisingly, the "findings" of your cut and paste appear on someone's personal blog.
RoccoR
Gold Member
Hollie, et al,
At first blush, your impression is correct --- BUT it is a false impression. That is just the way the report is written. And if you read the report, you will no doubt note that different sections were authored by different Team Members.
There are several report systems that use this writing style. Oddly enough, there are several famous investigative agencies that use this style; but not for the same reason. Most investigative agencies write in this style as a means of institutionalized results (some intentionally attempting to induce perjury) that can be later used to apply pressure on the interviewees. But in this case it is done to make the most of the limited information, - expressed in such a way as if it contained more specific statements then what were actually acquired. The report must be written in such a ways as to oppose the occupation and make it appear that no aspect of the Arab-Israeli Conflict or the prolonged occupation rests at the feet of the Palestinians. You will note that at no time in the report were the Palestinians held accountable for any outcome.
I applaud the PHR-Israel in there mission to easy the suffering of those innocences hurt in the struggle, but I must keep reminding myself that the Israeli-Palestinian Physicians for Human Rights, came into existence in 1988, during the early months of the Palestinian uprising in the occupied territory.
I don't believe in coincidence.
Most Respectfully,
R
At first blush, your impression is correct --- BUT it is a false impression. That is just the way the report is written. And if you read the report, you will no doubt note that different sections were authored by different Team Members.
(COMMENT)
There are several report systems that use this writing style. Oddly enough, there are several famous investigative agencies that use this style; but not for the same reason. Most investigative agencies write in this style as a means of institutionalized results (some intentionally attempting to induce perjury) that can be later used to apply pressure on the interviewees. But in this case it is done to make the most of the limited information, - expressed in such a way as if it contained more specific statements then what were actually acquired. The report must be written in such a ways as to oppose the occupation and make it appear that no aspect of the Arab-Israeli Conflict or the prolonged occupation rests at the feet of the Palestinians. You will note that at no time in the report were the Palestinians held accountable for any outcome.
I applaud the PHR-Israel in there mission to easy the suffering of those innocences hurt in the struggle, but I must keep reminding myself that the Israeli-Palestinian Physicians for Human Rights, came into existence in 1988, during the early months of the Palestinian uprising in the occupied territory.
I don't believe in coincidence.
Most Respectfully,
R
docmauser1
Gold Member
- Oct 8, 2010
- 7,274
- 698
- 190
Mucho funny. But then, all those, fond of the "arab spring" disasters, bankrolled by his foundations, may happily kiss his jewish arse. hehe Bth, the rainbow brigade is upset too, claiming two gazabadian homos were killed by a shockwave or somethink in their apartment. Our honorable montelatici should dig a relevant document up to add "weight" to "Physicians", of course, it will be appropriate. It would be nice to learn what the BDSM For Human Rights has to say too.
Challenger
Gold Member
Can you point out where there is a legal requirement for a "professional intelligence, counterintelligence, law enforcement, or Prosecution Investigator" to participate in the initial evidence gathering phase of an investigation into war crimes?
Although the ICII (Institute for International Criminal Investigations) does not require such individuals to be present at inital investigations, can you categorically state that none of the investigators who produced the report were not ICII trained, or at least trained to a level acceptable to the ICII?
.
Challenger
Gold Member
Drivel. Read some of the reports into the Rwanda genocide, or for that matter, reports on the Holocaust and you will find that, "at no time were the victims held accountable for any outcome." That is not the purpose of the report.
Challenger
Gold Member
More drivel.
Look again at page 53, that's definitely a flechette, and the bomb fragment states the Motorola logo is clealy visible. Also the report goes on to state on page 55, "Although Sony was cited, the team was shown remains of explosives with the Motorola logo embossed in them. It is unclear what these remains are and which patients they were associated with, and the team could not ascertain their source."
Blimey, Motorola are supplying Hamas! Hold the front page!
docmauser1
Gold Member
- Oct 8, 2010
- 7,274
- 698
- 190
One the best confirmations that, the "report" had been a witch-hunting expedition, as is always expected from any Soros-backed outfit, of course. We're pleased, indeed.
RoccoR
Gold Member
Challenger, et al,
I looked up the bio on every member of the Team. NONE of them are professional investigators beyond their individual medical skill set.
Yes, note the KSA for the position (read further the bolded blue link).
The IICI is not a government investigative activity. It is a civilian school, and does not set the qualification standards for any criminal or law enforcement investigation. Like the Southern Police Institute (SPI) is a college under the University of Louisville, these programs attempt to teach students to a standard. However, neither the ICII or the (SPI) are, in and by themselves course programs for qualification. They are more like that necessary for follow-on continuing education. The qualification program in the US would be something on the order of (one of the five) - Federal Law Enforcement Training Centers (FLETC) of the US Government. However, FLETC is not an acceptable qualification to be a War Crimes Investigator.
Just as it is necessary to be a graduate or equivalent to a graduate of the Police Academy South, Netherlands (the most common source) in order to qualify for an entry level position as a UN War Crimes Investigator, --- so it is that in order to be a member of the American Genocide and War Crimes Unit (GWCU), you have to be a Special Agent and a graduate of the FBI Academy, or the Joint Counterintelligence Training Academy (JCITA), or one of the approved Office of Counterintelligence (OCI); the three most common sources.
Most Respectfully,
R
I looked up the bio on every member of the Team. NONE of them are professional investigators beyond their individual medical skill set.
(COMMENT)
Yes, note the KSA for the position (read further the bolded blue link).
The IICI is not a government investigative activity. It is a civilian school, and does not set the qualification standards for any criminal or law enforcement investigation. Like the Southern Police Institute (SPI) is a college under the University of Louisville, these programs attempt to teach students to a standard. However, neither the ICII or the (SPI) are, in and by themselves course programs for qualification. They are more like that necessary for follow-on continuing education. The qualification program in the US would be something on the order of (one of the five) - Federal Law Enforcement Training Centers (FLETC) of the US Government. However, FLETC is not an acceptable qualification to be a War Crimes Investigator.
Just as it is necessary to be a graduate or equivalent to a graduate of the Police Academy South, Netherlands (the most common source) in order to qualify for an entry level position as a UN War Crimes Investigator, --- so it is that in order to be a member of the American Genocide and War Crimes Unit (GWCU), you have to be a Special Agent and a graduate of the FBI Academy, or the Joint Counterintelligence Training Academy (JCITA), or one of the approved Office of Counterintelligence (OCI); the three most common sources.
Most Respectfully,
R
- Status
Similar threads
- Locked
New Topics
-
-
Illegal immigrant charged for voting in every presidential election since 2008- Started by ColonelAngus
- Replies: 5
-
-
UBER has created a way for women riders to request women drivers to be safer- Started by fbj
- Replies: 2
-
