Israel does not target civilians?

[Rehmani]

Rehmani, et al,

Again, Israeli's do not target civilians (ever). It can sometimes be the case that civilians are casualties do to proximity of military targets; but Israel does not target civilians.

Well then enter into camps and fight against freedom fighter don'e kill innocent people. But they can not they are scared. Because hired soldiers not paid good enough to sacrifice thier lives for illegal invasion.

(COMMENT)

I'm not sure I totally understand this. BUT, ---- remember that no Israeli entangled, relegated or incarcerated any Arab Palestinians into a UNRWA Refugee Camps. Ever single Refugee Camp in the West Bank and Gaza Strip emerged under total Arab Administration: All of them under either Egyptian Rule or Jordanian Rule between 1949 and 1953; except for two: The first Camp in 1948 and the last camp in 1965. Essentially the same can be said for the Refugee Camps in Lebanon, Syria and Jordan.

Most Respectfully,
R

But jew please try to understand that Israeli army invade Palestinian home land and push them into neighboring countries and these Palestinian refugee living in these camps at the border of their own home land called Palestine or Holy land and waiting when jewish depart so Palestinian enter in their home land.

They were kicked out of their homeland by heir fellow Palestinians when they tried to take over by force. The Palestinians killed as many as 50,000 in one month of the PLO Palestinians and evicted them from Jordan. If you cant accept the truth then you have no business spreading LIES on here.

LIER jew.

 

[Rehmani]

...they look uniformed to me...

Correct...

Your Palestinians are, indeed, 'uniform'...

Always a good day to kill a few dozen or a few score of these slime-balls...

Of course, civilians are going to be hurt and killed, when the IDF flattens an area that these scumbags are haunting...

Purely collateral and unintentional...

Nothing deliberate about attacking war-assets and combatants, and thereby generating unintended civilian casualties...

Don't want the civilian casualties?

Move the war-assets...

Oh... and... move the Neanderthal Nazi wannabes like these panty-waists...

Wrong.... When Jews pushed Palestinian into camps to grab their country, then jews can enter in these camps as well to avoid civilian deaths. But mostly jew soldiers hired from overseas, and they don't want dual fight because they scare and they prefer to kill innocent civilian.

The camps were made by Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Iraq, Iran and Lebanon in 1948. In 1967 the Jews liberated the camps in parts of Egypt and Jordan. In 1970 the forces of Jordan fired on unarmed Palestinian civilians killing as many as 50,000 who were behind barbed wire fences. Not a Jew in sight just two different factions of Palestinians. So as you see historical evidence shows that it is Palestinians that target civilians not Israel

Look jew all this mess you are describing is created by jew by invaded palestinian home land why don't you accept this fact that you jew are responsible trouble in holy land.

When did it become the Palestinian home land then, as the Ottomans did not declare it anything but Ottoman land. The LoN gave them trans Jordan which is the Palestinian homeland, not Jewish Palestine which is the Jews homeland. If you cant deal in facts then don't keep telling LIES.

Look Not a single Prophet born in holy land from Ibrahim PBUH to Moses PBUH, IF any prophet born in holy land is Jesus PBUH and he will return Inshallah. To mark the authority that who belongs to holy land, definitely not Jew.

 

[Rehmani]

The facts are that Hamas uses its own civilians as human shields. Their fighters do not wear uniforms for this very purpose. They're savages and cowards. But then again, that's what all Islamists are.

Not quite the spit and polish of the Brigade of Guards, or the USMC perhaps, but they look uniformed to me...

But they can be in Lebanon or in Jordon not in Gaza. Still sound like empty hand as compare to modern jews army. To me if Israelis are not terrorist then they should enter in Gaza and the freedom fighter instead kill civilian cowardly. But hired army from overseas scared to fight face to face. And preferred to kill innocent civilian.

LIAR

Jew can not accept the facts and called lair to others instead accept the facts and leave Israel.

Israel is legally the Jewish national home, time to defend it fully from Islamic violence and terrorism.

Not a single prophet born in Holy land from Ibrahim PBUH to Moses PBUH, but but Jesus PBUH born in holy land and he will return Inshaallah. But jew only live there for few years when roman kicked them out and now I will say they were right. Before I used to think that they innocent but I was wrong, they are cruel.

 

[Rehmani]

montelatici, et al,

Oh but it did. In legal parlance the "last word" is the governing word.

Rehmani, et al,

I agree with you. You cannot change history.

Look jew, you can not change many millennium old indigenous palestinian rights because of falls propaganda.

(OBSERVATION)

For nearly 800 years, the Sultan of the Ottoman Empire was the sovereign power over the territory in question. The sovereign authority actually ended in 1918 with the Armistice of Mudros (Article 16). Article 132 of the Treaty of Sevres, also was just a clear; But then again, the Treaty of Lausanne addressed the final say:

The Armistice of Mudros, which was concluded on October 30, 1918
16. Surrender of all garrisons in Hejaz, Assir, Yemen, Syria, and Mesopotamia to the nearest Allied commander; and the withdrawal of troops from Cilicia, except those necessary to maintain order, as will be determined under Clause 5.

ARTICLE 132, Treaty of Sevres
Outside her frontiers as fixed by the present Treaty Turkey hereby renounces in favour of the Principal Allied Powers all rights and title which she could claim on any ground over or concerning any territories outside Europe which are not otherwise disposed of by the present Treaty.

Turkey undertakes to recognise and conform to the measures which may be taken now or in the future by the Principal Allied Powers, in agreement where necessary with third Powers, in order to carry the above stipulation into effect.

Article 16, Treaty of Lausanne:
Turkey hereby renounces all rights and title whatsoever over or respecting the territories situated outside the frontiers laid down in the present Treaty and the islands other than those over which her sovereignty is recognised by the said Treaty, the future of these territories and islands being settled or to be settled by the parties concerned.

The provisions of the present Article do not prejudice any special arrangements arising from neighborly relations which have been or may be concluded between Turkey and any limitrophe countries.

(COMMENT)

Now please notice that the Lausanne say two very important things:

• Turkey renounces all rights and title ---
• Turkey recognized by Treaty, that the future of these territories are being settled by the Allied Powers (parties to the treaty).

There can be no objection that the Allied Powers, on the effective date of the Treaty (which comes after the LoN Covenant), has the necessary authority to handle the territories any way it wanted.

You cannot change this history either. The territory was surrendered to the Allied Powers; and not to the Arabs of the Palestine; no matter what the Covenant said. The Covenant was written in 1919 and has no reach into (legal effect upon) a treaty written in 1924, by the same authors.

Most Respectfully,
R

The Treaty of Lausanne does not supersede The Covenant of the League of Nations, nor is it in conflict. The Covenant regulates how the Allied Powers, members of the League of Nations, agreed to administer the former Turkish territories.

Stop being silly.

(COMMENT)

How the Allied Powers decided is written in the Order in Council of the League, and the Mandate. There is nothing in the Covenant that "SPECIFICALLY" addresses either an Allied Power, future treaties, or Palestine in particular. The Covenant says "Certain communities formerly belonging to the Turkish Empire," --- the phrase "certain communities" does not mean (necessarily) all communities. It merely implies more than one. And the Independence of Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, and Iraq would fully that requirement.

In fact, the Covenant sets no deadlines, and the Covenant only uses the words "independence" (Art 10) and "Sovereignty" (Art 22(1)) once. And both causes it applies to a party or parties other than those of Palestine. And the Covenant absolutely does not promise any country "sovereignty" or "independence." The phrase says "stand alone;" --- "as they are able to stand alone."

The problem with the Hostile Arab Palestinian is that they always wanted to decide in a Trial by Combat. And when defeated, they whine about how poorly they were treated. When it was more accurate to speak of it in terms of how arrogant they were.

Rewrite history all you want. But it is not likely that you will achieve the desired results.

Most Respectfully,
R

It doesn't matter if you erroneously consider Palestine not one of the former Turkish territories (which it was) that received provisional statehood. Even if you place Palestine among the other territories, the inhabitants of all the other territories were to receive independence eventually, like Namibia (then called German West Africa I believe).

It is you that are trying to rewrite history. The Covenant of the League of Nations did not contemplate, as you imply, the transfer of Europeans to the former Turkish Territories, the removal of the native inhabitants and the establishment of a colony and then a state for said Europeans. Which is what happened.

And which international laws of the time were breached ?

Please phoney please don't create mess just accept the facts and let holy land turn in to peace again as it was before WWI.

 

[montelatici]

...The Ottoman Empire ended dhimmitude in the mid 19th century. Non-Muslims could still pay the tax and not serve in the military, but if they served in the military they paid no dhimmi tax...

There is the formal practice of Dhimmitude, and there is the mindset (relagation to 2nd-class diziesnship) of Dhimmitude; if not the one, than the other, or both; over the centuries.

...The Jews in Palestine were never were dhimmis, they arrived after the end of dhimmitude...

Given that the Jewish presence in Palestine long predates Islam, this is incorrect.

...Israel will last maybe another two generations as a Jewish state. It will either transform itself into a secular democratic state for all religions/ethnicities (like South Africa) or if the Jews continue on the road they are on, it will empower the Islamists and it will end up like Rhodesia.

Yes. We have heard this noise coming from you time and again. Trouble is, the analogy is grotesquely flawed, and can be negated entirely through simple Expulsion.

As to ISIS, or whatever next-gen Muslim Insanity follows it, it will come, regardless of what the Jews of Israel do; might as well be killed for bulls, than for sheep.

But, at least, and unlike the Neanderthals of Hamas, the Israelis do not go out of their way to kill civilians, nor do they rejoice when such casualties are incurred.

There will not any further expulsion of the native people of Palestine. The original expulsion, facilitated by a foolhardy UN decision to carve out a European enclave in the Middle East was a lesson learned. Even the U.S. would intervene to stop any such nonsense.

All colonial projects have similar dynamics. Israel is not different, it has just garnered more financial and military support than others. That support eventually ends.

 

[Phoenall]

Once again you confuse pinko liberals with the rest of humanity. The rest of humanity see's the Palestinians for what they are and want them eradicating from the west. If the arab's did not have oil this situation would have been sorted 100 years ago, and mecca would be a parking lot for the rich and famous

 

[Phoenall]

Israel News Flash on Twitter


Palestinian stabbing IDF and civilian

Big deal.....Your side Immolate 14 year old boys,Women and Children........Murder and Slaughter in the name of STEALING Palestinian Land.......The World Detest YOU.apart from those Americans who think you are the chosen few.......those who are 99 cents short of a $1

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Still waiting for the evidence of all these alleged murders. You know that making false claims like these is am offence in Australia and is also racism and Nazism. Now when did the Palestinians come into ownership of this land as in 1917 they owned nothing and by 2015 they still owned nothing according to every International law that exists.

 

[Phoenall]

Rehmani, et al,

Not correct. I cannot envision how you even come to that conclusion.

Jew you are wrong, Israel is created illegally by force and now by falls propaganda jew are trying to change theses historical facts, as you one of many jews.

(OBSERVATION)

QUOTE: UN Palestine Commission: During today's brief meeting, Dr. Eduardo Morgan (Panama) said that this resolution of the Assembly merely "relieves responsibility. The Commission has not been dissolved. In fact the resolution of last November 29 has been implemented." SOURCE: UN PR PAL/169 17 May 1948
​

The Resolution is, of course:
11/29/1947

A/RES/181(II) Palestine plan of partition with economic union - General Assembly resolution 181

(COMMENT)

The State of Israel was created peacefully, pursuant to the "Steps Preparatory to Independence" recommended by the General Assembly. The issue of force is addressed so:

"Powerful Arab interests, both inside and outside Palestine, are defying the resolution of the General Assembly and are engaged in a deliberate effort to alter by force the settlement envisaged therein." SOURCE: A/AC.21/9 S/676 16 February 1948
​

QUOTE: US DoS, Office of the Historian: Home › Milestones › 1945–1952 › The Arab-Israeli War of 1948
The United Nations resolution sparked conflict between Jewish and Arab groups within Palestine. Fighting began with attacks by irregular bands of Palestinian Arabs attached to local units of the Arab Liberation Army composed of volunteers from Palestine and neighboring Arab countries. These groups launched their attacks against Jewish cities, settlements, and armed forces. The Jewish forces were composed of the Haganah, the underground militia of the Jewish community in Palestine, and two small irregular groups, the Irgun, and LEHI. The goal of the Arabs was initially to block the Partition Resolution and to prevent the establishment of the Jewish state. The Jews, on the other hand, hoped to gain control over the territory allotted to them under the Partition Plan.

After Israel declared its independence on May 14, 1948, the fighting intensified with other Arab forces joining the Palestinian Arabs in attacking territory in the former Palestinian mandate. On the eve of May 14, the Arabs launched an air attack on Tel Aviv, which the Israelis resisted. END QUOTE

The Arab Palestinians opened hostilities on the adoption of the 29 November 1947 Resolution.

Most Respectfully,
R

Look again, you are repeating same forced and illegal invasion story over the rights of indigenous palestinian.

They had no rights, they lost them when they joined the Ottoman forces and were beat by the British.

It's "BEATEN" not Beat

Context

 

[Phoenall]

Says who ?

You are making the claim. Post something she said that is Islamic propaganda.

Don't need to, the fact that you use it as evidence is enough to show it is propaganda from an Islamic source. The fact that it is Iranian press tv alone makes it Islamic propaganda

OK, if you say so.

So you are saying that Iranian state mass media is not biased against Israel

That was not my claim.

Your words

OK, if you say so.

These imply explicitly in the context of the post that it is your claim.


The source is propaganda and you cant say it isnt

 

[Phoenall]

montelatici, et al,

Oh but it did. In legal parlance the "last word" is the governing word.

Rehmani, et al,

I agree with you. You cannot change history.

(OBSERVATION)

For nearly 800 years, the Sultan of the Ottoman Empire was the sovereign power over the territory in question. The sovereign authority actually ended in 1918 with the Armistice of Mudros (Article 16). Article 132 of the Treaty of Sevres, also was just a clear; But then again, the Treaty of Lausanne addressed the final say:

The Armistice of Mudros, which was concluded on October 30, 1918
16. Surrender of all garrisons in Hejaz, Assir, Yemen, Syria, and Mesopotamia to the nearest Allied commander; and the withdrawal of troops from Cilicia, except those necessary to maintain order, as will be determined under Clause 5.

ARTICLE 132, Treaty of Sevres
Outside her frontiers as fixed by the present Treaty Turkey hereby renounces in favour of the Principal Allied Powers all rights and title which she could claim on any ground over or concerning any territories outside Europe which are not otherwise disposed of by the present Treaty.

Turkey undertakes to recognise and conform to the measures which may be taken now or in the future by the Principal Allied Powers, in agreement where necessary with third Powers, in order to carry the above stipulation into effect.

Article 16, Treaty of Lausanne:
Turkey hereby renounces all rights and title whatsoever over or respecting the territories situated outside the frontiers laid down in the present Treaty and the islands other than those over which her sovereignty is recognised by the said Treaty, the future of these territories and islands being settled or to be settled by the parties concerned.

The provisions of the present Article do not prejudice any special arrangements arising from neighborly relations which have been or may be concluded between Turkey and any limitrophe countries.

(COMMENT)

Now please notice that the Lausanne say two very important things:

• Turkey renounces all rights and title ---
• Turkey recognized by Treaty, that the future of these territories are being settled by the Allied Powers (parties to the treaty).

There can be no objection that the Allied Powers, on the effective date of the Treaty (which comes after the LoN Covenant), has the necessary authority to handle the territories any way it wanted.

You cannot change this history either. The territory was surrendered to the Allied Powers; and not to the Arabs of the Palestine; no matter what the Covenant said. The Covenant was written in 1919 and has no reach into (legal effect upon) a treaty written in 1924, by the same authors.

Most Respectfully,
R

The Treaty of Lausanne does not supersede The Covenant of the League of Nations, nor is it in conflict. The Covenant regulates how the Allied Powers, members of the League of Nations, agreed to administer the former Turkish territories.

Stop being silly.

(COMMENT)

How the Allied Powers decided is written in the Order in Council of the League, and the Mandate. There is nothing in the Covenant that "SPECIFICALLY" addresses either an Allied Power, future treaties, or Palestine in particular. The Covenant says "Certain communities formerly belonging to the Turkish Empire," --- the phrase "certain communities" does not mean (necessarily) all communities. It merely implies more than one. And the Independence of Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, and Iraq would fully that requirement.

In fact, the Covenant sets no deadlines, and the Covenant only uses the words "independence" (Art 10) and "Sovereignty" (Art 22(1)) once. And both causes it applies to a party or parties other than those of Palestine. And the Covenant absolutely does not promise any country "sovereignty" or "independence." The phrase says "stand alone;" --- "as they are able to stand alone."

The problem with the Hostile Arab Palestinian is that they always wanted to decide in a Trial by Combat. And when defeated, they whine about how poorly they were treated. When it was more accurate to speak of it in terms of how arrogant they were.

Rewrite history all you want. But it is not likely that you will achieve the desired results.

Most Respectfully,
R

It doesn't matter if you erroneously consider Palestine not one of the former Turkish territories (which it was) that received provisional statehood. Even if you place Palestine among the other territories, the inhabitants of all the other territories were to receive independence eventually, like Namibia (then called German West Africa I believe).

It is you that are trying to rewrite history. The Covenant of the League of Nations did not contemplate, as you imply, the transfer of Europeans to the former Turkish Territories, the removal of the native inhabitants and the establishment of a colony and then a state for said Europeans. Which is what happened.

And which international laws of the time were breached ?

Please phoney please don't create mess just accept the facts and let holy land turn in to peace again as it was before WWI.

So you cant find any and need a way out. Not me creating any mess but you and your fellow muslims that refuse to see that you don't own the world, and never will. The araqb muslims were given 78% of Palestine for their homeland, but being greedy they wanted the whole world. Now they are paying the price and don't like how much it is costing them

 

[Phoenall]

...The Ottoman Empire ended dhimmitude in the mid 19th century. Non-Muslims could still pay the tax and not serve in the military, but if they served in the military they paid no dhimmi tax...

There is the formal practice of Dhimmitude, and there is the mindset (relagation to 2nd-class diziesnship) of Dhimmitude; if not the one, than the other, or both; over the centuries.

...The Jews in Palestine were never were dhimmis, they arrived after the end of dhimmitude...

Given that the Jewish presence in Palestine long predates Islam, this is incorrect.

...Israel will last maybe another two generations as a Jewish state. It will either transform itself into a secular democratic state for all religions/ethnicities (like South Africa) or if the Jews continue on the road they are on, it will empower the Islamists and it will end up like Rhodesia.

Yes. We have heard this noise coming from you time and again. Trouble is, the analogy is grotesquely flawed, and can be negated entirely through simple Expulsion.

As to ISIS, or whatever next-gen Muslim Insanity follows it, it will come, regardless of what the Jews of Israel do; might as well be killed for bulls, than for sheep.

But, at least, and unlike the Neanderthals of Hamas, the Israelis do not go out of their way to kill civilians, nor do they rejoice when such casualties are incurred.

There will not any further expulsion of the native people of Palestine. The original expulsion, facilitated by a foolhardy UN decision to carve out a European enclave in the Middle East was a lesson learned. Even the U.S. would intervene to stop any such nonsense.

All colonial projects have similar dynamics. Israel is not different, it has just garnered more financial and military support than others. That support eventually ends.

COWFLOP

 

[Phoenall]

...Such an Arrogant post as to consign Kondie to the Dustbin of Rank Posts...

If you don't like it, then I know I'm on the right track.

...You are inciting DEATH TO ALL JEWS essentially ..

Uh-oh... now you've gone and done it... now you've scared the Quislings, fer shure.

...such is your ISIS style inflammatory declaration ..

Nothing inflammatory about speaking The Truth.

...same as the Zionists cira 1910...

One hundred and five years later, their multi-generational goal is nearly completed.

...you think you can dictate history...

No need to dictate history - merely to recite it and to interpret it correctly - even when The Adversary moans and groans that it isn't so.

...Watch what you dream for..it will slap you in the face... or chop your head off...

"If they mean to have a war, then let it begin here."

...you do realize that the void would be filled by ISIS types...

At least they'll be beyond the borders of Eretz Yisrael, once the last of the internal riff-raff have departed, the Reconquista completed.

...your comment is churlish,shameful(read what that word means)ignorant, devisive and ignorant...

Why thank you. Anyone siding with the Palestinians is bound to think of it in those terms. That tells me I've hit a nerve. Excellent.

...Kondie "NO MAN IS AN ISLAND"/Israel is no island either.steve

Correct. Israel is the worst nightmare of the Muslim-Arabs of the region. Chickens coming home to roost. Dhimmis looking for payback. And getting it.

The Ottoman Empire ended dhimmitude in the mid 19th century. Non-Muslims could still pay the tax and not serve in the military, but if they served in the military they paid no dhimmi tax.

The Jews in Palestine were never were dhimmis, they arrived after the end of dhimmitude.

Israel will last maybe another two generations as a Jewish state. It will either transform itself into a secular democratic state for all religions/ethnicities (like South Africa) or if the Jews continue on the road they are on, it will empower the Islamists and it will end up like Rhodesia.

Islamocatholic lies and Nazi propaganda, is that all you have left to play with ?

 

[Phoenall]

Rehmani, et al,

Not correct. I cannot envision how you even come to that conclusion.

Jew you are wrong, Israel is created illegally by force and now by falls propaganda jew are trying to change theses historical facts, as you one of many jews.

(OBSERVATION)

QUOTE: UN Palestine Commission: During today's brief meeting, Dr. Eduardo Morgan (Panama) said that this resolution of the Assembly merely "relieves responsibility. The Commission has not been dissolved. In fact the resolution of last November 29 has been implemented." SOURCE: UN PR PAL/169 17 May 1948
​

The Resolution is, of course:
11/29/1947

A/RES/181(II) Palestine plan of partition with economic union - General Assembly resolution 181

(COMMENT)

The State of Israel was created peacefully, pursuant to the "Steps Preparatory to Independence" recommended by the General Assembly. The issue of force is addressed so:

"Powerful Arab interests, both inside and outside Palestine, are defying the resolution of the General Assembly and are engaged in a deliberate effort to alter by force the settlement envisaged therein." SOURCE: A/AC.21/9 S/676 16 February 1948
​

QUOTE: US DoS, Office of the Historian: Home › Milestones › 1945–1952 › The Arab-Israeli War of 1948
The United Nations resolution sparked conflict between Jewish and Arab groups within Palestine. Fighting began with attacks by irregular bands of Palestinian Arabs attached to local units of the Arab Liberation Army composed of volunteers from Palestine and neighboring Arab countries. These groups launched their attacks against Jewish cities, settlements, and armed forces. The Jewish forces were composed of the Haganah, the underground militia of the Jewish community in Palestine, and two small irregular groups, the Irgun, and LEHI. The goal of the Arabs was initially to block the Partition Resolution and to prevent the establishment of the Jewish state. The Jews, on the other hand, hoped to gain control over the territory allotted to them under the Partition Plan.

After Israel declared its independence on May 14, 1948, the fighting intensified with other Arab forces joining the Palestinian Arabs in attacking territory in the former Palestinian mandate. On the eve of May 14, the Arabs launched an air attack on Tel Aviv, which the Israelis resisted. END QUOTE

The Arab Palestinians opened hostilities on the adoption of the 29 November 1947 Resolution.

Most Respectfully,
R

Look again, you are repeating same forced and illegal invasion story over the rights of indigenous palestinian.

They had no rights, they lost them when they joined the Ottoman forces and were beat by the British.

It's "BEATEN" not Beat

Mostly these people who are spreading hate against muslim and supporting israel illegal invasion are hired by jews. And they live some where in poor countries like Pakistan and India unfortunately, please forgive them for their English.

What illegal invasion was that then, when did it take place and who organised it. Failure to comply means that you are LYING and spreading racist incitement to violence and terrorism

 

[Phoenall]

It really doesn't matter. The Jews of Israel are engaged in Reconquista, and, given the few slivers of land remaining to be secured, their multi-generational goal is now in sight.

I'm not trying to defend it. There is never any defense for Reconquista. Just as there is never any defense for original Conquest. I merely support the soon-to-be Winner.

I thought they were entirely functional words, and that they did a good yeoman's job as a partisan exercise in applied logic.

If that's meant to be a literary review... don't quit your day-job.

No... I think I'm one voice amongst many friends of Israel, who stand against a Muslim-Palestinian online propaganda machine; and their fifth-column tag-alongs.

Oh, I comprehend the full range of options well enough on the macro level; it's just that there is only one solution (Israeli completion of their Reconquista) left on the table.

The time for creating a Palestinian State would have been anytime in the period 1948-1967, and, failing that, at various points between 1967 and 2000 - the beginning of the 2nd Intifada - which closed that window forevermore. Since then, and by now, there isn't enough contiguous land remaining in which to create a Palestinian State, anyway. It's over.

A one-state solution will not work; that window closed back in the 1950s or 1960s.

A two-state solution will not work; that window closed in 2000 with the 2nd Intifada.

That means that, ultimately, either the Israelis or the Palestinians have to go.

The Israelis have all the playing cards and all the muscle, so it won't be them.

Which means the Palestinians have to go.

As a matter of policy and practice, Israel does not intentionally target civilians in order to inflict civilian casualties, but the insistence of Hamas, et al, in continuing to embed war assets (rocket launchers, operations centers, staging areas, sally ports and tunnels, logistics centers, munitions caches, communications centers, etc.) in civilian residential neighborhoods, mosques, schools, hospitals and clinics, etc., have resulted in large numbers of unintentional but necessary civilian casualties, as the Israelis have prosecuted this ongoing asymmetrical warfare with their sworn mortal enemies.

As to how the Palestinians will leave...

They can go, carried out by their feet, or...

They can go, walking out, with their families and belongings, and with the prospect of a happy, safe, secure life and a prosperous future, elsewhere, to look forward to.

Life is almost always a better choice than Death.

The rag-tag so-called Palestinians need to choose Life.

Thank you for your opinion.

Thank you. And to you, as well.

As you said you are not jew means you are a jew because that is how jew practice, they never identified themselves and use others ID. which is wrong they should use their own ID. And as you said that jews are very close to their generational goal, they won't give up now. If jew take my advise and follow my signature comments would be better off otherwise jews have to start again as jews history full of difficult surprises. Jew are chasing a target which base on falls story and because of that jew are behaving like evil means keep losing and keep coming and this is not smart human way so my advise to jew behave like human not evil. Read my signature comments Please and make world peace full place.

"Jew Jew Jew Jew.... Jews should wear ID. Jews are evil. Jews will suffer. Jew should behave like humans."

Another psychotic Muslim looser obsessed with Jews. Anybody who thinks the Israel / Palestine conflict has nothing to do with Islamic hatred and intolerance of non Muslims is sadly mistaken.

The way you people are arguing, sound like this dispute won't settle on table means what you people are defending is an illegal invasion and only solution is possible by an other force invasion.

Yeah? And how's that "other solution" working out, Mr Jew Jew Jew Jew Jew Jew?

Are you accepting it that you are Jew or just .............................................................!

Why do you have a problem with the Jews, are you a racist Nazi that wants to bring back the final solution and wipe out the Jews completely ?

 

[Phoenall]

...the rights of indigenous palestinian.

Phukk 'em...

Especially in light of the fact that they routinely and falsely accuse Israel of intentionally targeting civilians, as a matter of policy and routine practice...

These Arab-Muslim descendants of the Jackrabbits of the Great Arab Skedaddle of 1948 can fault their father and grandfathers for their plight...

"He who pees his pants, then runs away, lives to regret it, for many a day" - Kondor3

Your (side's) own propaganda maps of a 'shrinking Palestine' tell us all we need to know...

You(r side) has lost...

You no longer have enough land to create and sustain a viable state; in fact, you never have; even the Old Palestine of 1947 was not enough, for a backwards people like yours, and that would certainly be true today, even if you magically re-acquired all the land lost since the Six Day War of 1967... even that amount of land would not be enough to create and sustain a state.

Your side has lost this multi-generational war.

It is over...

In truth, it was over 67 years ago, but...

If that was not clear to the Arab Cowards of 1948, or the Arab Losers or 1967, or the Arab Losers of 1973, it should have been clear to the Arab Losers of 2014...

From this point forward, every time that Hamas et al undertake a rocket barrage campaign or large-scale commando sortie, from staging points or using assets embedded within civilian population centers, this (above) is what you can look forward to...

The gloves are coming off, finally, and inevitably...

And, every time that you lose another mini-war, you lose a vast amount of additional territory; in truth, if you undertake a Third Intifada or another Gaza War like 2014, there won't be enough land remaining under your control to stand in; you will be standing on each other's shoulders, on a few scraps of scattered land, each the size of a postage stamp.

That's no way to live, and there is no future in you staying there.

Time to pack up and leave.

Get your families the hell out of there, and go build new lives somewhere else, where you can be happy, and prosperous, and where your children and grandchildren can live in peace, and enjoy Life, rather than stupidly celebrating and asking for Death.

Life, fools, not Death.

Live.

Leave.

These maps of Israel showing clearly that how jew cleverly plan to invade Palestine but soon time will reverse and Jew will leave again as already more jew abandoning the israeli citizenship than receiving and moving USA but mostly migrating to Germany from Israel, why Germany ? I will say German should be careful.

I would say the muslims need to be careful in Europe as the nationalists are winning elections all the time. This means that the muslims will face a version of the dhimmi laws and pact of Umar if they want to stay in Europe. The Europeans might even bring in a version of the Nuremburg laws to combat the rise of muslim terrorism and extremism.

 

[Phoenall]

montelatici, et al,

And therein rests the backbone of the problem.

Billo_Really, et al,

There is no reasonable expectation that the Palestinians will observe that pledge; even if the Israelis were inclined to give it a second chance.

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It id not work in 2005 when the Israelis unilaterally withdrew, and it will not work with the Palestinians of the West Bank.

Most Respectfully,
R

Israelis never withdrew from anywhere. Gaza is under the complete control and occupation of Israel.

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In 2005, there was no Naval Blockade. Border crossings were still operational and comparatively open, given that Palestinians were still running attacks. The Airspace was under Israeli control simply because it was beyond the capability of the Palestinians given the dynamics of a 21st Century Air Traffic Control Zone and Air Defense Zone requires.

In a rough, truncated thumbnail view, this is how the externals saw the Palestinians as we approached the 21st Century:

The Palestinians were developing a network of terrorist organizations. The oldest of the groups is the PLO, stared in 1964. The PLO set the primer for violence in the movements to follow. Immediately after the Six Day War in 1967, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) was founded; and the 1968 splinter group known as the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine – General Command (PFLP-GC). In 1969, the Popular Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PDFLP) was founded when it split from the PFLP. In 1979, Islamic fundamentals form a the Palestinian Islamic Jihad; and in 1988 the Islamic Resistance Movement emerged. In the year 2000, the PLO formed a series of Fatah related terrorist cells operating against Israeli military and civilian settlers in the West Bank, Gaza Strip, and Jerusalem; known as the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades; in the same year the Popular Resistance Committee (PRC) emerged and became active in the Gaza Strip.

The most significant of the groups where, of course, the PLO and the PFLP.

The PLO set the general content that the long-term organization needed.

• Fatah: The political face as a Palestinian political party on matters of national liberation.
• Tanzim: A specialized Militia for Fatah; to offset the Palestinian Islamism.
• Force 17: Was a failed attempt to establish an Intelligence Service for Fatah.
• Abu Nidal: A strong-armed terrorist set of cells that splintered off of Fatah.

The PFLP was/is a bit more cerebral. It was violence with an agenda.

It promoted a "People's War." (From 1968 to 1984, under the leadership of George Habash, it was the most violent and active of the Palestinian terrorist groups.)

• The purpose of the war was to FORCE a "Peaceful Solution."
• The "Revolutionary Theory" --- Palestinian National Movement; destroying Israel outright. (No two-state solution.)
• The Revolution should include the reformation of Jordan. (The PFLP has a Jordanian Branch.)

All this goes to establish a pattern of criminal behavior, that the Hostile Arab Palestinian rejects as terrorism because they promote themselves as "freedom Fights." The general HoAP rejects the notion that: "Nothing can justify terrorism — ever. No grievance, no goal, no cause can excuse terrorist acts. The HoAP see there cause as an exception. They have openly rejected the concept that: All disputes, including their dispute, should be addressed by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security are not endangered.

THUS, this establishes the reasoning for the continuation of the HoAP containment (not occupation) in the territories. Let loose, the International Community would be libel for the death and destruction that the HoAP would visit upon the region; endangering the peace and security.

Most Respectfully,
R

Roccor the way you are repeating your story is called propaganda but again you can not change facts and figure which is base on thousands of years the rights of Indigenous people of Palestine. .

Define those rights and when they came into force. the Palestinians lost all rights when the British defeated them in 1917 and their leaders gave up the land from under their feet.

What you are suggesting war is the only solution to force jew out of Holy land, is this correct.

YES and the muslims know it, but they don't have the will to take on the Jews even though they outnumber them 100,000,000 to 1. Who will lead them in battle who will be acceptable to all sides, and will they follow him unquestioningly when he tells them to throw their lives away to gain one grain of Jewish sand.

They lost the war in 1917 when they sided with the Ottomans so the LoN left them out of the card list

 

[Phoenall]

Rehmani, et al,

Again, Israeli's do not target civilians (ever). It can sometimes be the case that civilians are casualties do to proximity of military targets; but Israel does not target civilians.

Well then enter into camps and fight against freedom fighter don'e kill innocent people. But they can not they are scared. Because hired soldiers not paid good enough to sacrifice thier lives for illegal invasion.

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I'm not sure I totally understand this. BUT, ---- remember that no Israeli entangled, relegated or incarcerated any Arab Palestinians into a UNRWA Refugee Camps. Ever single Refugee Camp in the West Bank and Gaza Strip emerged under total Arab Administration: All of them under either Egyptian Rule or Jordanian Rule between 1949 and 1953; except for two: The first Camp in 1948 and the last camp in 1965. Essentially the same can be said for the Refugee Camps in Lebanon, Syria and Jordan.

Most Respectfully,
R

But jew please try to understand that Israeli army invade Palestinian home land and push them into neighboring countries and these Palestinian refugee living in these camps at the border of their own home land called Palestine or Holy land and waiting when jewish depart so Palestinian enter in their home land.

They were kicked out of their homeland by heir fellow Palestinians when they tried to take over by force. The Palestinians killed as many as 50,000 in one month of the PLO Palestinians and evicted them from Jordan. If you cant accept the truth then you have no business spreading LIES on here.

LIER jew.

Have you heard of black September in your mosque, when the Jordanian forces fired on the Palestinians they had in concentration camps. You do know that Jordan was part of Palestine don't you, which is why the flags are the same.

 

[Phoenall]

Correct...

Your Palestinians are, indeed, 'uniform'...

Always a good day to kill a few dozen or a few score of these slime-balls...

Of course, civilians are going to be hurt and killed, when the IDF flattens an area that these scumbags are haunting...

Purely collateral and unintentional...

Nothing deliberate about attacking war-assets and combatants, and thereby generating unintended civilian casualties...

Don't want the civilian casualties?

Move the war-assets...

Oh... and... move the Neanderthal Nazi wannabes like these panty-waists...

Wrong.... When Jews pushed Palestinian into camps to grab their country, then jews can enter in these camps as well to avoid civilian deaths. But mostly jew soldiers hired from overseas, and they don't want dual fight because they scare and they prefer to kill innocent civilian.

The camps were made by Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Iraq, Iran and Lebanon in 1948. In 1967 the Jews liberated the camps in parts of Egypt and Jordan. In 1970 the forces of Jordan fired on unarmed Palestinian civilians killing as many as 50,000 who were behind barbed wire fences. Not a Jew in sight just two different factions of Palestinians. So as you see historical evidence shows that it is Palestinians that target civilians not Israel

Look jew all this mess you are describing is created by jew by invaded palestinian home land why don't you accept this fact that you jew are responsible trouble in holy land.

When did it become the Palestinian home land then, as the Ottomans did not declare it anything but Ottoman land. The LoN gave them trans Jordan which is the Palestinian homeland, not Jewish Palestine which is the Jews homeland. If you cant deal in facts then don't keep telling LIES.

Look Not a single Prophet born in holy land from Ibrahim PBUH to Moses PBUH, IF any prophet born in holy land is Jesus PBUH and he will return Inshallah. To mark the authority that who belongs to holy land, definitely not Jew.

What were his prophesies then, when you cant find any then it proves he was like you a LIAR.

Jesus was a Jew and read your koran to see what mo'mad the false prophet has to say about the Jews and Jerusalem. No mention of arab muslims ruling Israel is there, but he does say that they Jews are the real owners/rulers.

 

[Kondor3]

...These maps of Israel showing clearly that how jew cleverly plan to invade Palestine...

Yes, they were much more clever than you, but that is not difficult.

Oh, and they were also much braver than you, but that, also, is not difficult.

...but soon time will reverse and Jew will leave again...

Put down the hookah, boy... too much of that Afghan hashish will rot your brain.

...as already more jew abandoning the israeli citizenship than receiving and moving USA...

Immigration and emigration fluctuates constantly, for all countries.

The Jewish Homeland - Israel - is doing well - thank you very much.

...but mostly migrating to Germany from Israel, why Germany ? I will say German should be careful.

Yes.

The Germans should, indeed, be careful.

Taking in too many Muslims is always dangerous, and is simply asking for trouble.

Letting a few in? No problem.

Letting waves of Muslims come in - such as the refugees from Syria? Definitely not. You cannot be trusted to behave yourselves.

And isn't it interesting, that Jews now feel comfortable in visiting or immigrating to Germany, and that the Germans feel comfortable with receiving Jews?

But nobody wants to take in Muslims, in many cases, not even in other Muslim countries.

 

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