Israel does not target civilians?

[Phoenall]

that's false, anti-Semite loon.

but if you're going to put your munitions in civilian locations (which the hamas terrorists do) Israel isn't going to not respond to terrorism because terrorists violate the Geneva conventions by doing that.

now why don't you go blow yourself up

Saying they can't have munitions, is like saying they don't have a right to defend themselves. Is that what you're saying? Are you saying they don't have a right to defend themselves? Answer the question, you ******* psychotic *****!

As for the munitions themselves, the target must be of military necessity. If the civilian casualty is greater than the military gain, then it cannot be targeted.

Is this the law according to billy boy then, as it sure aint the law according to IHL and the Geneva conventions. They state that it is a war crime to use civilian structures for ANY military purpose. Once used this way the structures become a valid target for military action and any civilians killed are the fault of the side using the structures for military purposes.

OK, but the rules of distinction and proportionality still apply.

And where can these laws be found then as a google search brings up nothing but maybe's and gonnado's. Who made these laws and what treaty are they from that entered into the law books ?

Why do you post on this board?

To put idiots right when they make false representations, so how about a link to these alleged laws that don't exist. Or will that make you look like a complete idiot and a LIAR ? Now stop deflecting when you are backed into a corner and admit you were wrong.

 

[Phoenall]

What deliberate targeting of civilians by the Israelis would that be?

75% of the casualties were civilians.

That's not by mistake.

NOPE they were 85% terrorist, and this was posted on the Al Jazeera web site the week after the war ended.

Link?

Here you go




Latest Al Jazeera Data Shows Gaza Casualties Still Mostly Combat-Aged Males

Data released by Qatar-based Al Jazeera continues to show that most of the dead in Gaza have been young, combatant-aged men, rather than women, children or seniors, and in contrast to Hamas’s own reports from the front to media, accusing the Israel Defense Forces of indiscriminate killing.


And here is a list of those killed from one of your sources



Names of Palestinians Killed in the War on Gaza since 8 July - International Middle East Media Center

 

[P F Tinmore]

Why don't you address the fact that Israel takes measures to warn civilians prior to operations targeting Islamic terrorists.

It doesn't matter if they warn them or not, it is still illegal to target them.

Of course this is just more Israeli bullshit.

First, the meaning of the ludicrous term “buffer zone”:…which also explains why there was a massacre in Shejaiya this week. What a coincidence that that’s the very area Israel decided to annex!

LINK to this alleged annexation that no one else knows about but you ?

It is not my fault that you can't keep up.

 

[Phoenall]

Why don't you address the fact that Israel takes measures to warn civilians prior to operations targeting Islamic terrorists.

It doesn't matter if they warn them or not, it is still illegal to target them.

Of course this is just more Israeli bullshit.

First, the meaning of the ludicrous term “buffer zone”:…which also explains why there was a massacre in Shejaiya this week. What a coincidence that that’s the very area Israel decided to annex!

LINK to this alleged annexation that no one else knows about but you ?

It is not my fault that you can't keep up.

Its not my fault that you need to LIE to defend hamas and its terrorism, so about this evidence when can we see it. Or will it prove that you are a brainwashed idiot and a LIAR

 

[P F Tinmore]

What deliberate targeting of civilians by the Israelis would that be?

75% of the casualties were civilians.

That's not by mistake.

NOPE they were 85% terrorist, and this was posted on the Al Jazeera web site the week after the war ended.

Link?

Here you go




Latest Al Jazeera Data Shows Gaza Casualties Still Mostly Combat-Aged Males

Data released by Qatar-based Al Jazeera continues to show that most of the dead in Gaza have been young, combatant-aged men, rather than women, children or seniors, and in contrast to Hamas’s own reports from the front to media, accusing the Israel Defense Forces of indiscriminate killing.


And here is a list of those killed from one of your sources



Names of Palestinians Killed in the War on Gaza since 8 July - International Middle East Media Center

Irrelevant number.

Combat age has nothing to do with military service.

 

[Phoenall]

What deliberate targeting of civilians by the Israelis would that be?

75% of the casualties were civilians.

That's not by mistake.

NOPE they were 85% terrorist, and this was posted on the Al Jazeera web site the week after the war ended.

Link?

Here you go




Latest Al Jazeera Data Shows Gaza Casualties Still Mostly Combat-Aged Males

Data released by Qatar-based Al Jazeera continues to show that most of the dead in Gaza have been young, combatant-aged men, rather than women, children or seniors, and in contrast to Hamas’s own reports from the front to media, accusing the Israel Defense Forces of indiscriminate killing.


And here is a list of those killed from one of your sources



Names of Palestinians Killed in the War on Gaza since 8 July - International Middle East Media Center

Irrelevant number.

Combat age has nothing to do with military service.

Changing your tune when profiling proves you wrong now, wasn't it you that said hamas does not have an army, so they cant have an age for enlistment.

 

[Billo_Really]

No.

That's collateral casualties, incurred during the course of legitimate military targeting operations against enemy war assets.

War assets that were illegally and unethically positioned alongside and amongst civilian population centers, mosques, schools, hospitals, etc.

Don't want your civilians hurt?

Stop hiding behind the skirts of your women and children.

Unfortunately for you, no evidence of this has been found.

 

[Billo_Really]

Good thing for the Israelis, then, that they do not intentionally target civilians, as a matter of policy.

If that was true, they wouldn't be dropping knives next to them and telling them to pick'em up.

Stop embedding war assets amongst civilians and the number of civilian casualties will be dramatically reduced.

They don't, but they're targeted anyway.

The choice is squarely in the lap of the Neanderthals of Hamas.

Wrong. The choice is on the Israeli's.

End the occupation, or eventually be forced to.

 

[Billo_Really]

Is this the law according to billy boy then, as it sure aint the law according to IHL and the Geneva conventions. They state that it is a war crime to use civilian structures for ANY military purpose. Once used this way the structures become a valid target for military action and any civilians killed are the fault of the side using the structures for military purposes.

That's not what it say's.

Military necessity is a legal concept used in international humanitarian law (IHL) as part of the legal justification for attacks on legitimate military targets that may have adverse, even terrible, consequences for civilians and civilian objects.

There are three constraints upon the free exercise of military necessity.

First, any attack must be intended and tend toward the military defeat of the enemy; attacks not so intended cannot be justified by military necessity because they would have no military purpose.
Second, even an attack aimed at the military weakening of the enemy must not cause harm to civilians or civilian objects that is excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage anticipated.
Third, military necessity cannot justify violation of the other rules of IHL.​

 

[Phoenall]

No.

That's collateral casualties, incurred during the course of legitimate military targeting operations against enemy war assets.

War assets that were illegally and unethically positioned alongside and amongst civilian population centers, mosques, schools, hospitals, etc.

Don't want your civilians hurt?

Stop hiding behind the skirts of your women and children.

Unfortunately for you, no evidence of this has been found.

Even though many pieces of evidence have been produced. From the Indian reporters video of the rocket launcher outside the hotel to the pictures of children swarming round terrorists firing at the Israeli's. Do you want them again, and the ICC investigation done by Goldsmith proved that they were using human shields

 

[Phoenall]

Good thing for the Israelis, then, that they do not intentionally target civilians, as a matter of policy.

If that was true, they wouldn't be dropping knives next to them and telling them to pick'em up.

Stop embedding war assets amongst civilians and the number of civilian casualties will be dramatically reduced.

They don't, but they're targeted anyway.

The choice is squarely in the lap of the Neanderthals of Hamas.

Wrong. The choice is on the Israeli's.

End the occupation, or eventually be forced to.

Out of the persons own bag if you look again,

They do as 50% of gaza is open space were they could fire to their hearts content.

Already tried and the violence and terrorism increased 500%, so who will force the Israelis to lift the occupation when it is against international law.

 

[P F Tinmore]

75% of the casualties were civilians.

That's not by mistake.

NOPE they were 85% terrorist, and this was posted on the Al Jazeera web site the week after the war ended.

Link?

Here you go




Latest Al Jazeera Data Shows Gaza Casualties Still Mostly Combat-Aged Males

Data released by Qatar-based Al Jazeera continues to show that most of the dead in Gaza have been young, combatant-aged men, rather than women, children or seniors, and in contrast to Hamas’s own reports from the front to media, accusing the Israel Defense Forces of indiscriminate killing.


And here is a list of those killed from one of your sources



Names of Palestinians Killed in the War on Gaza since 8 July - International Middle East Media Center

Irrelevant number.

Combat age has nothing to do with military service.

Changing your tune when profiling proves you wrong now, wasn't it you that said hamas does not have an army, so they cant have an age for enlistment.

Using Israel's logic, all Israelis between 18 and...whatever are legitimate targets and all others are human shields.

 

[Hollie]

NOPE they were 85% terrorist, and this was posted on the Al Jazeera web site the week after the war ended.

Link?

Here you go




Latest Al Jazeera Data Shows Gaza Casualties Still Mostly Combat-Aged Males

Data released by Qatar-based Al Jazeera continues to show that most of the dead in Gaza have been young, combatant-aged men, rather than women, children or seniors, and in contrast to Hamas’s own reports from the front to media, accusing the Israel Defense Forces of indiscriminate killing.


And here is a list of those killed from one of your sources



Names of Palestinians Killed in the War on Gaza since 8 July - International Middle East Media Center

Irrelevant number.

Combat age has nothing to do with military service.

Changing your tune when profiling proves you wrong now, wasn't it you that said hamas does not have an army, so they cant have an age for enlistment.

Using Israel's logic, all Israelis between 18 and...whatever are legitimate targets and all others are human shields.

Unfortunately, Tinny, each of these "Jooooos target civilians" threads sink when you and the identifiable Jooooooooo hating cabal cannot combat the irrefutable argument that Israel has demonstrated restraint in the face of Pal'istanian islamic terrorism.

You have no counter to the fact that Israel has spent billions of dollars to develop LESS cost effective weapons for the sole purpose of reducing civilian casualties. You say nothing of the recognized capability of Israeli strategic forces to reduce fundamentalist Islam in the areas occupied by Pal'istanian Islamic terrorists to a burning pile of ash within one week with almost no reduction of their nation power, and the restraint from using such power demonstrated by their leaders.

You cannot reconcile the fact that you argue the Israeli's wish to kill Pal'istanian civilians with the truth that you cannot conjure up a reason for such action, much less an explanation for precision munitions development, reduced use of particularly effective cluster, mine and incendiary munitions, and extremely tight Rules of Engagement for Israeli forces in battle zones.

And when someone brings up these irreconcilable faults in your arguments, you dump some goofy youtube video about something entirely unrelated, try to make a statement accusing Israeli's broadly of ignorance or being beholden to the media that is considerably less controlled than in almost any other nation in the world, or simply ignore it and let the thread sink.

Reconcile these issues. Now. Or stop posting your nonsensical messages.

Answer now, how you can say that the Israeli's WISH to have civilian casualties when they have spent many times the sum of Pal'istanian welfare checks on weapons that limit such casualties.

Answer now, how can you say that the Israeli's wish for war when actions prove that Israel has repeatedly returned land to Islamic terrorists in hopes for peace. If Israel had wanted to retain lands captured in wars of aggression initiated by islamics, why did they make peace offerings by retirning those lands?

Or, if you feel too threatened, just make some bogus statement about the Jews controlling the media or some other stereotypically stupid comment about "the Poor, Oppressed Pal'istanian islamic terrorists" (with a welfare program dedicated to their sole use to further their status as an invented people with an invented national identity), and go back to your cliff's notes to Mein Kampf.

 

[Indeependent]

Why discuss anything with someone who gets their "artifacts" from Pro-Terrorist sites?

 

[Kondor3]

Why don't you address the fact that Israel takes measures to warn civilians prior to operations targeting Islamic terrorists.

It doesn't matter if they warn them or not, it is still illegal to target them.

Of course this is just more Israeli bullshit.

First, the meaning of the ludicrous term “buffer zone”:…which also explains why there was a massacre in Shejaiya this week. What a coincidence that that’s the very area Israel decided to annex!

Buffer zones are indicative of a desire to minimize civilian casualties, not intentionally create them.

But, just look at that map, and tell us that the Gazans have any future whatsoever, where they are now.

They don't.

The so-called Palestinians need to pack up and leave.

In the long run, none of this 'buffer zone' bullshit makes any difference whatsoever.

The land belongs to Israel now, not the squatters, and the Israelis are coming to get it.

One step at a time... one hectare at a time... one city-block at a time... whatever.

Time for the Palestinians to wake-up, face Reality, and take their families out of there.

There is no - zero - future to be hand, by the Palestinians hanging-about the Gaza Strip.

Everything else... everything... is subordinate to that macro-level process... and is mere minutiae and sidebar fluff by comparison.

The small stuff is, ultimately, meaningless.

And, in the final analysis, nobody really cares all that much, beyond the domains of Islam, and even there, this 67-year-old endless agitation has grown old and tiresome.

Leave.

While you still can.

Before your nasty Hamas masters sucker you into dying for them.

Before your pathetic militias are slaughtered and more thousands of innocents are killed, unnecessarily.

Either way, the outcome is going to be the same.

Israel wins - you lose.

Snap out of it.

Leave.

If you did not understand my post you should have asked instead of just saying something stupid.

Thank you for your feedback.

 

[Kondor3]

No.

That's collateral casualties, incurred during the course of legitimate military targeting operations against enemy war assets.

War assets that were illegally and unethically positioned alongside and amongst civilian population centers, mosques, schools, hospitals, etc.

Don't want your civilians hurt?

Stop hiding behind the skirts of your women and children.

Unfortunately for you, no evidence of this has been found.

The No. of independent news service photographs of Hamas rocket-launchers and ops-centers embedded within residential neighborhoods is overwhelming.

 

[Kondor3]

Good thing for the Israelis, then, that they do not intentionally target civilians, as a matter of policy.

If that was true, they wouldn't be dropping knives next to them and telling them to pick'em up.

Stop embedding war assets amongst civilians and the number of civilian casualties will be dramatically reduced.

They don't, but they're targeted anyway.

The choice is squarely in the lap of the Neanderthals of Hamas.

Wrong. The choice is on the Israeli's.

End the occupation, or eventually be forced to.

Automatic gainsay is a weak debating tactic, utilized by those proceeding from a weak position.

Endless rounds of 'Did Too' - 'Did Not' - do not shed any additional light on the subject of Israel generating unintentional collateral casualties as they hammer legitimate Hamas military targets comprised of war-assets which Hamas has embedded within their own civilian population centers in a most cowardly fashion.

 

[Billo_Really]

Answer now, how you can say that the Israeli's WISH to have civilian casualties when they have spent many times the sum of Pal'istanian welfare checks on weapons that limit such casualties.

Like 2000 pound bombs that take out entire neighborhoods?

 

[Phoenall]

NOPE they were 85% terrorist, and this was posted on the Al Jazeera web site the week after the war ended.

Link?

Here you go




Latest Al Jazeera Data Shows Gaza Casualties Still Mostly Combat-Aged Males

Data released by Qatar-based Al Jazeera continues to show that most of the dead in Gaza have been young, combatant-aged men, rather than women, children or seniors, and in contrast to Hamas’s own reports from the front to media, accusing the Israel Defense Forces of indiscriminate killing.


And here is a list of those killed from one of your sources



Names of Palestinians Killed in the War on Gaza since 8 July - International Middle East Media Center

Irrelevant number.

Combat age has nothing to do with military service.

Changing your tune when profiling proves you wrong now, wasn't it you that said hamas does not have an army, so they cant have an age for enlistment.

Using Israel's logic, all Israelis between 18 and...whatever are legitimate targets and all others are human shields.

LINK ?

 

[Phoenall]

Answer now, how you can say that the Israeli's WISH to have civilian casualties when they have spent many times the sum of Pal'istanian welfare checks on weapons that limit such casualties.

Like 2000 pound bombs that take out entire neighborhoods?

Evidence of this, and not unproven pictures of Syria or Iraq this time. Just saying that 2000lb bombs are dropped is not evidence of 2000lb bombs being dropped. You need to substantiate your claims with evidence that cant be questioned