Israel does not target civilians?

[Phoenall]

Nothing in your comments refutes the biases that have become typical UN prattle. Your whining about UN Watch does nothing but allow you the opportunity to promote your own biases.

Nothing in your cutting and pasting offers anything more than your opinion of the ICJ' s opinion.

It cannot be disputed these territories were seized during the '67 war. And since they were seized during a war, that makes them "occupied" and nothing can change the status of that until the "occupation" ends.

Now, WTF does that have to do with the OP and the deliberate targeting of civilians by the Israeli's?

Right up until the nation who had control of the land gives it up and makes it free for all. You forget that the land was occupied in 1948 by Jordan who then annexed the land before casting it adrift when the Palestinians tried to overthrow the rule of law.

Now when will you provide the evidence of the Israeli's deliberately targeting civilians as I cant find any other that propaganda and blood libels.

 

[Phoenall]

It is almost as if you intend to make yourself ignorant of the facts. I mean stating:

" the ICJ is nothing more than an advisory entity with no arm of enforcement."

makes you look so ridiculous, when their is an Article of the Charter of the United Nations that addresses the very matter. Do some research before blurting out nonsense.

ICJ decisions become settled law and the decision becomes precedent for future cases. Per Article 94 of the Charter of the United Nations. You can continue to stamp your feet and claim the United Nations has no authority, but only you and few other misguided partisans or countries, e.g. North Korea believe that.

For your edification here is Article 94 of the Charter of the United Nations.

"Article 94
1. Each Member of the United Nations undertakes to comply with the decision of the International Court of Justice in any case to which it is a party.

2. If any party to a case fails to perform the obligations incumbent upon it under a judgment rendered by the Court, the other party may have recourse to the Security Council, which may, if it deems necessary, make recommendations or decide upon measures to be taken to give effect to the judgment."

Charter of the United Nations | International Court of Justice

So this means the UN has no jurisdiction over the USA as they don't agree with the ICJ and opted out of its control.

The same charter says that the land is Jewish and that the muslims have no rights to it, so why do you cherry pick the parts you want ?

 

[Phoenall]

"Security Council resolutions are non-binding. I pointed that out to you previously."

What?????? You are digging such a deep hole. Your strongest supporters are cringing.

Pursuant to Article 25 of the Charter Security Council Resolutions are binding on all members of the United Nations.

NOPE try again, only this time get a 10 year old child to explain what it means.

 

[Phoenall]

Hollie doesn't see things as being right or wrong, but as pro Israel or not

Why don't you address the fact that Israel takes measures to warn civilians prior to operations targeting Islamic terrorists.

I think you should research matters before making statements. It is all Israeli propaganda designed to motivate "useful idiots". This is what actually happens.

According to the pallywood mouthpiece Al Jezeera, the same rag that told the world the majority of those killed in gaza were terrorists.

 

[Phoenall]

Quite clearly, warnings to civilians have the unintended consequence of alerting your Islamic terrorist heroes of the location of intended strikes.

Unfortunately, that leads to the intended consequence of your Islamic terrorist heroes providing human shields /dead civilians for propaganda purposes.

But heck, why would cowards like you care one wit for dead civilians when they're cheap currency to placate your disease.


Israel warns north Gaza civilians to evacuate ahead of strikes - BBC News

From a July 2014 article.


Israel warns north Gaza civilians to evacuate ahead of strikes

Israel has warned Palestinians in the north of Gaza to evacuate their homes ahead of further airstrikes.

Israeli air raids on Gaza continued overnight; one strike killed seventeen people in the home of the Palestinian police chief.

Meanwhile, Hamas has fired further rockets at Israeli cities including Tel Aviv.

Where were the Palestinians supposed to go? In any case the Israelis killed more than a thousand women and children.

The 50% of gaza that is open land where the hamas cowards refuse to fire from in case they get hurt. Or they could have taken up the offer from Egypt and went there before hamas closed the door stopping them from leaving.

 

[Phoenall]

Quite clearly, warnings to civilians have the unintended consequence of alerting your Islamic terrorist heroes of the location of intended strikes.

Unfortunately, that leads to the intended consequence of your Islamic terrorist heroes providing human shields /dead civilians for propaganda purposes.

But heck, why would cowards like you care one wit for dead civilians when they're cheap currency to placate your disease.


Israel warns north Gaza civilians to evacuate ahead of strikes - BBC News

From a July 2014 article.


Israel warns north Gaza civilians to evacuate ahead of strikes

Israel has warned Palestinians in the north of Gaza to evacuate their homes ahead of further airstrikes.

Israeli air raids on Gaza continued overnight; one strike killed seventeen people in the home of the Palestinian police chief.

Meanwhile, Hamas has fired further rockets at Israeli cities including Tel Aviv.

Where were the Palestinians supposed to go? In any case the Israelis killed more than a thousand women and children.

When your heroes in Hamas explicitly put women and children in harms way, such are the results.

Do you really expect that acts of Islamic terrorism will not be met with a response?

Again with the propaganda.

"This is arguably one of Israel’s most insidious claims, because it blames Palestinians for their own death and deprives them of even their victimhood. Israel made the same argument in its war against Lebanon in 2006 and in its war against Palestinians in2008. Notwithstanding its military cartoon sketches, Israel has yet to prove that Hamas has used civilian infrastructure to store military weapons. The two cases where Hamas indeed stored weapons in UNRWA schools, the schools were empty. UNRWA discovered the rockets and publicly condemned the violation of its sanctity.

International human rights organizations that have investigated these claims have determined that they are not true. It attributed the high death toll in Israel’s 2006 war on Lebanon to Israel’s indiscriminate attacks. Human Rights Watch notes:

The evidence Human Rights Watch uncovered in its on-the-ground investigations refutes [Israel’s] argument…we found strong evidence that Hezbollah stored most of its rockets in bunkers and weapon storage facilities located in uninhabited fields and valleys, that in the vast majority of cases Hezbollah fighters left populated civilian areas as soon as the fighting started, and that Hezbollah fired the vast majority of its rockets from pre-prepared positions outside villages."

Five Israeli Talking Points on Gaza—Debunked

Let's ponder upon this bit of intellectual sloth, shall we?

"Notwithstanding its military cartoon sketches, Israel has yet to prove that Hamas has used civilian infrastructure to store military weapons. The two cases where Hamas indeed stored weapons in UNRWA schools, the schools were empty. UNRWA discovered the rockets and publicly condemned the violation of its sanctity."


So, to summarize: Israel has yet to prove that Hamas has used civilian infrastructure to store military weapons


but.... but.... but..... but


The two cases where Hamas indeed stored weapons in UNRWA schools, the schools were empty.


Let's review what we've learned.

1. Hamas does not use civilian infrastructure to store weapons (weapons purchased with infidel welfare dollars), except when they do use civilian infrastructure to store weapons.

2. Fascinating.

The UN has also stated that the schools were not empty, but where open and in use by children. Further that caretakers had been told to stay away as hamas had put their own people in charge.



Explosive: UN admits Palestinians fired rockets from UNRWA schools « View from Geneva

 

[P F Tinmore]

Why don't you address the fact that Israel takes measures to warn civilians prior to operations targeting Islamic terrorists.

It doesn't matter if they warn them or not, it is still illegal to target them.

Of course this is just more Israeli bullshit.

First, the meaning of the ludicrous term “buffer zone”:…which also explains why there was a massacre in Shejaiya this week. What a coincidence that that’s the very area Israel decided to annex!

Buffer zones are indicative of a desire to minimize civilian casualties, not intentionally create them.

But, just look at that map, and tell us that the Gazans have any future whatsoever, where they are now.

They don't.

The so-called Palestinians need to pack up and leave.

In the long run, none of this 'buffer zone' bullshit makes any difference whatsoever.

The land belongs to Israel now, not the squatters, and the Israelis are coming to get it.

One step at a time... one hectare at a time... one city-block at a time... whatever.

Time for the Palestinians to wake-up, face Reality, and take their families out of there.

There is no - zero - future to be hand, by the Palestinians hanging-about the Gaza Strip.

Everything else... everything... is subordinate to that macro-level process... and is mere minutiae and sidebar fluff by comparison.

The small stuff is, ultimately, meaningless.

And, in the final analysis, nobody really cares all that much, beyond the domains of Islam, and even there, this 67-year-old endless agitation has grown old and tiresome.

Leave.

While you still can.

Before your nasty Hamas masters sucker you into dying for them.

Before your pathetic militias are slaughtered and more thousands of innocents are killed, unnecessarily.

Either way, the outcome is going to be the same.

Israel wins - you lose.

Snap out of it.

Leave.

If you did not understand my post you should have asked instead of just saying something stupid.

 

[Phoenall]

Where were the Palestinians supposed to go? In any case the Israelis killed more than a thousand women and children.

When your heroes in Hamas explicitly put women and children in harms way, such are the results.

Do you really expect that acts of Islamic terrorism will not be met with a response?

Again with the propaganda.

"This is arguably one of Israel’s most insidious claims, because it blames Palestinians for their own death and deprives them of even their victimhood. Israel made the same argument in its war against Lebanon in 2006 and in its war against Palestinians in2008. Notwithstanding its military cartoon sketches, Israel has yet to prove that Hamas has used civilian infrastructure to store military weapons. The two cases where Hamas indeed stored weapons in UNRWA schools, the schools were empty. UNRWA discovered the rockets and publicly condemned the violation of its sanctity.

International human rights organizations that have investigated these claims have determined that they are not true. It attributed the high death toll in Israel’s 2006 war on Lebanon to Israel’s indiscriminate attacks. Human Rights Watch notes:

The evidence Human Rights Watch uncovered in its on-the-ground investigations refutes [Israel’s] argument…we found strong evidence that Hezbollah stored most of its rockets in bunkers and weapon storage facilities located in uninhabited fields and valleys, that in the vast majority of cases Hezbollah fighters left populated civilian areas as soon as the fighting started, and that Hezbollah fired the vast majority of its rockets from pre-prepared positions outside villages."

Five Israeli Talking Points on Gaza—Debunked

Taking into account that 90+% of Jews in the IDF are on again/off again Left Wing Doves, I'm absolutely shocked that they aren't SCREAMING at the top of their lungs, as they are wont to do, that the trajectory of the attacks from Gaza are coming from Mark Levin's Underground Bunker.
Any more bullshit you'd like to shovel our way?

In fact, being as you are an esteemed military man yourself, perhaps you can get permission to take a gander at radar activity and prove once and for all that Israel was being attacked by Mossad Agents from a submarine somewhere in the Mediterranean.

What was all that about? Who has ever claimed that the Israelis are launching rockets at themselves?

Empty unused structures, civilian or otherwise, can be seconded for military use during a conflict. Were they not UN-owned facilities it would have been perfectly appropriate. The illegality is that UN facilities were used. But it is not a war crime.

Making them valid targets for any action then or at a later date. That is the law as laid down by the ICJ.

But what makes it worse is they used schools that were in use and the UN freely admit this



Explosive: UN admits Palestinians fired rockets from UNRWA schools « View from Geneva

Hamas and/or Islamic Jihad stored rockets in schools that were in active use by children. During the war, former PLO lawyer Diana Buttu famously said on Al Jazeera that “the rockets that were found in the schools in UNRWA were schools that are not being used by anybody—school is out, I’ll have you know.” However, in the UNRWA Gaza Beach Elementary Co-educational “B” School, on 16 July 2014, the UN Board of Inquiry notes that the school gate was unlocked during the period leading up to the incident “in order to allow children access to the schoolyard.” School was out, but UNRWA was inviting the children back in to play.

 

[Phoenall]

Quite clearly, warnings to civilians have the unintended consequence of alerting your Islamic terrorist heroes of the location of intended strikes.

Unfortunately, that leads to the intended consequence of your Islamic terrorist heroes providing human shields /dead civilians for propaganda purposes.

But heck, why would cowards like you care one wit for dead civilians when they're cheap currency to placate your disease.


Israel warns north Gaza civilians to evacuate ahead of strikes - BBC News

From a July 2014 article.


Israel warns north Gaza civilians to evacuate ahead of strikes

Israel has warned Palestinians in the north of Gaza to evacuate their homes ahead of further airstrikes.

Israeli air raids on Gaza continued overnight; one strike killed seventeen people in the home of the Palestinian police chief.

Meanwhile, Hamas has fired further rockets at Israeli cities including Tel Aviv.

Where were the Palestinians supposed to go? In any case the Israelis killed more than a thousand women and children.

It's what happens when you embed your war assets in schools and hospitals and mosques and residential neighborhoods...

Hiding behind the skirts of your women and children.

Israel isn't targeting civilians.

Israel hammers legitimate military targets.

Don't want to incur civilian casualties?

1. Move your war assets.

2. Or stop fighting.

Or continue to suffer civilian casualties.

The choice is clear, simple and entirely up to the so-called Palestinians.

Israel is happy to oblige, any way you want it.

Next batter...

There was no hiding behind civilians. Rank Israeli propaganda.

Israel targets civilians, always has.

End the occupation and blockade if you want peace.

The longer it goes on the more terrible the payback will be.

Hamas and/or Islamic Jihad stored rockets in schools that were in active use by children. During the war, former PLO lawyer Diana Buttu famously said on Al Jazeera that “the rockets that were found in the schools in UNRWA were schools that are not being used by anybody—school is out, I’ll have you know.” However, in the UNRWA Gaza Beach Elementary Co-educational “B” School, on 16 July 2014, the UN Board of Inquiry notes that the school gate was unlocked during the period leading up to the incident “in order to allow children access to the schoolyard.” School was out, but UNRWA was inviting the children back in to play.




Explosive: UN admits Palestinians fired rockets from UNRWA schools « View from Geneva

 

[Phoenall]

Quite clearly, warnings to civilians have the unintended consequence of alerting your Islamic terrorist heroes of the location of intended strikes.

Unfortunately, that leads to the intended consequence of your Islamic terrorist heroes providing human shields /dead civilians for propaganda purposes.

But heck, why would cowards like you care one wit for dead civilians when they're cheap currency to placate your disease.


Israel warns north Gaza civilians to evacuate ahead of strikes - BBC News

From a July 2014 article.


Israel warns north Gaza civilians to evacuate ahead of strikes

Israel has warned Palestinians in the north of Gaza to evacuate their homes ahead of further airstrikes.

Israeli air raids on Gaza continued overnight; one strike killed seventeen people in the home of the Palestinian police chief.

Meanwhile, Hamas has fired further rockets at Israeli cities including Tel Aviv.

Where were the Palestinians supposed to go? In any case the Israelis killed more than a thousand women and children.

It's what happens when you embed your war assets in schools and hospitals and mosques and residential neighborhoods...

Hiding behind the skirts of your women and children.

Israel isn't targeting civilians.

Israel hammers legitimate military targets.

Don't want to incur civilian casualties?

1. Move your war assets.

2. Or stop fighting.

Or continue to suffer civilian casualties.

The choice is clear, simple and entirely up to the so-called Palestinians.

Israel is happy to oblige, any way you want it.

Next batter...

There was no hiding behind civilians. Rank Israeli propaganda.

Israel targets civilians, always has.

End the occupation and blockade if you want peace.

The longer it goes on the more terrible the payback will be.

http://nypost.com/2015/05/02/un-report-outlines-how-hamas-used-kids-as-human-shields/

And in at least one school where weapons were stored, the report found, Hamas unlocked the gate “to allow children access to the schoolyard.”

In fact, Hamas has long used UN facilities as a staging grounds and observation posts for attacks on Israel. And the United Nations barely raised an objection — unless and until Hamas was caught and called out.

The Palestinian Authority has hinted at having Israel investigated by the International Criminal Court for war crimes. But the real crimes here were committed by Hamas — and its UN accomplices.

Still spouting the propaganda.

Cant be propaganda if it is a UN source document can it ?




Explosive: UN admits Palestinians fired rockets from UNRWA schools « View from Geneva

Hamas and/or Islamic Jihad stored rockets in schools that were in active use by children. During the war, former PLO lawyer Diana Buttu famously said on Al Jazeera that “the rockets that were found in the schools in UNRWA were schools that are not being used by anybody—school is out, I’ll have you know.” However, in the UNRWA Gaza Beach Elementary Co-educational “B” School, on 16 July 2014, the UN Board of Inquiry notes that the school gate was unlocked during the period leading up to the incident “in order to allow children access to the schoolyard.” School was out, but UNRWA was inviting the children back in to play.

 

[P F Tinmore]

that's false, anti-Semite loon.

but if you're going to put your munitions in civilian locations (which the hamas terrorists do) Israel isn't going to not respond to terrorism because terrorists violate the Geneva conventions by doing that.

now why don't you go blow yourself up

Saying they can't have munitions, is like saying they don't have a right to defend themselves. Is that what you're saying? Are you saying they don't have a right to defend themselves? Answer the question, you ******* psychotic *****!

As for the munitions themselves, the target must be of military necessity. If the civilian casualty is greater than the military gain, then it cannot be targeted.

Is this the law according to billy boy then, as it sure aint the law according to IHL and the Geneva conventions. They state that it is a war crime to use civilian structures for ANY military purpose. Once used this way the structures become a valid target for military action and any civilians killed are the fault of the side using the structures for military purposes.

OK, but the rules of distinction and proportionality still apply.

 

[Phoenall]

http://nypost.com/2015/05/02/un-report-outlines-how-hamas-used-kids-as-human-shields/

And in at least one school where weapons were stored, the report found, Hamas unlocked the gate “to allow children access to the schoolyard.”

In fact, Hamas has long used UN facilities as a staging grounds and observation posts for attacks on Israel. And the United Nations barely raised an objection — unless and until Hamas was caught and called out.

The Palestinian Authority has hinted at having Israel investigated by the International Criminal Court for war crimes. But the real crimes here were committed by Hamas — and its UN accomplices.

Still spouting the propaganda.

I gave you sourced data which actually confirms what your cut and pasted article concurred with: that the Hamas terrorists were using civilian infrastructure to wage war and allowing children access to those structures.

Have you ever thought to question why there have been so few Israeli casualties during Israel's defensive wars with your Islamist terrorist heroes in comparison with the Pal'istinian death toll. It's because Israel's first priority is the defense of its citizens, which is why there are missile defense systems, shelters and warning systems in Israeli towns. If the Hamas tunnel rats can dig tunnels, why can't they build shelters. Instead, they prefers to use women and children as human shields, schools and residential neighborhoods to launch attacks while its leaders rush into hiding, the gutless cowards.

When an armed to the teeth opponent attacks an enemy with small arms, the opponent with tanks, artillery, aircraft and naval assets should have very few casualties. The gutless cowards are the Israelis.

I know, right?

Just imagine the mayhem that Israel could unleash if they chose not to act with restraint to continued acts of Pal'istanian Islamic terrorism.

Killing more than a thousand women and children in a few weeks is no mean feat. Any other country that did that would have no-fly zones and sanctions applied to it.

Jordan managed to mass murder tens of thousands in a few weeks as well, but then their Palestinians were locked up in a cage making in easy. They had no weapons with which to fight back with and you remain silent on this genocide and ethnic cleansing by deliberate targeting of civilians.

 

[Phoenall]

that's false, anti-Semite loon.

but if you're going to put your munitions in civilian locations (which the hamas terrorists do) Israel isn't going to not respond to terrorism because terrorists violate the Geneva conventions by doing that.

now why don't you go blow yourself up

Saying they can't have munitions, is like saying they don't have a right to defend themselves. Is that what you're saying? Are you saying they don't have a right to defend themselves? Answer the question, you ******* psychotic *****!

As for the munitions themselves, the target must be of military necessity. If the civilian casualty is greater than the military gain, then it cannot be targeted.

Is this the law according to billy boy then, as it sure aint the law according to IHL and the Geneva conventions. They state that it is a war crime to use civilian structures for ANY military purpose. Once used this way the structures become a valid target for military action and any civilians killed are the fault of the side using the structures for military purposes.

OK, but the rules of distinction and proportionality still apply.

And where can these laws be found then as a google search brings up nothing but maybe's and gonnado's. Who made these laws and what treaty are they from that entered into the law books ?

 

[Phoenall]

...Killing more than a thousand women and children in a few weeks is no mean feat. Any other country that did that would have no-fly zones and sanctions applied to it.

Yep. Fun, ain't it? Look at all those military targets the Israelis hit. And only a thousand collateral casualties.

Considering the illegal proximity of Hamas war assets to civilian populations, that was pretty darned good shooting, with minimal collaterals.

70% civilian casualties is not very good actually. But if you say so.

Not according to Al Jazeera who say in was 85% terrorist deaths, and had to take down the piece before it became an embarrassment to islam.

 

[Phoenall]

When the Israeli's drop 2000 pound bombs that take out entire neighborhoods, warning residents is a moot point.

And still no evidenced to support your claim. When did this happen and who gave the orders to attack in this manner. Not even the US would veto any resolutions against Israel if this was the case. And no evidence from biased and partisan sites that leads back to a single Nazi source like you usually do.

 

[Phoenall]

What deliberate targeting of civilians by the Israelis would that be?

75% of the casualties were civilians.

That's not by mistake.

NOPE they were 85% terrorist, and this was posted on the Al Jazeera web site the week after the war ended.

 

[P F Tinmore]

that's false, anti-Semite loon.

but if you're going to put your munitions in civilian locations (which the hamas terrorists do) Israel isn't going to not respond to terrorism because terrorists violate the Geneva conventions by doing that.

now why don't you go blow yourself up

Saying they can't have munitions, is like saying they don't have a right to defend themselves. Is that what you're saying? Are you saying they don't have a right to defend themselves? Answer the question, you ******* psychotic *****!

As for the munitions themselves, the target must be of military necessity. If the civilian casualty is greater than the military gain, then it cannot be targeted.

Is this the law according to billy boy then, as it sure aint the law according to IHL and the Geneva conventions. They state that it is a war crime to use civilian structures for ANY military purpose. Once used this way the structures become a valid target for military action and any civilians killed are the fault of the side using the structures for military purposes.

OK, but the rules of distinction and proportionality still apply.

And where can these laws be found then as a google search brings up nothing but maybe's and gonnado's. Who made these laws and what treaty are they from that entered into the law books ?

Why do you post on this board?

 

[P F Tinmore]

What deliberate targeting of civilians by the Israelis would that be?

75% of the casualties were civilians.

That's not by mistake.

NOPE they were 85% terrorist, and this was posted on the Al Jazeera web site the week after the war ended.

Link?

 

[Phoenall]

Why don't you address the fact that Israel takes measures to warn civilians prior to operations targeting Islamic terrorists.

It doesn't matter if they warn them or not, it is still illegal to target them.

Not if they have become militia making them valid military targets. But it is like saying that the US should not have attacked Japan when it sunk the fleet in Pearl Harbour

 

[Phoenall]

Why don't you address the fact that Israel takes measures to warn civilians prior to operations targeting Islamic terrorists.

It doesn't matter if they warn them or not, it is still illegal to target them.

Of course this is just more Israeli bullshit.

First, the meaning of the ludicrous term “buffer zone”:…which also explains why there was a massacre in Shejaiya this week. What a coincidence that that’s the very area Israel decided to annex!

LINK to this alleged annexation that no one else knows about but you ?