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Challenger, et al,

Pretty good. You got it.

The report must be written in such a ways as to oppose the occupation and make it appear that no aspect of the Arab-Israeli Conflict or the prolonged occupation rests at the feet of the Palestinians. You will note that at no time in the report were the Palestinians held accountable for any outcome.
Drivel. Read some of the reports into the Rwanda genocide, or for that matter, reports on the Holocaust and you will find that, "at no time were the victims held accountable for any outcome." That is not the purpose of the report.
(COMMENT)

These types of NGO and these types of Reports already have and set agenda and outcome. The product was predetermined before the ink dried on the travel request. In the case of the Arab-Israeli Conflict, the true victim is the Jewish People. The Jewish People were the one in which the Arab League ganged-up on and attempted to destroy. The jewish People were the victims of "Powerful Arab interests, both inside and outside Palestine, are defying the resolution of the General Assembly and are engaged in a deliberate effort to alter by force the settlement envisaged therein." (First Special Report to the Security Council: The Problem of Security in Palestine --- A/AC.21/9 S/676 16 February 1948)

Most Respectfully,
R
 
Allegations regarding irregular weapons; yah I saw this. I suspect that this evidence is a result of ancillary presence of secondary debris picked-up in the blast. I saw this remark by forensics that talked about finding "computer chips’ with Sony markings embedded as shrapnel in people’s bodies;" along with the accusation of using "flechettes." I studied the picture of the debris removed and find it much to large to be a "
flechette" and much the wrong shape. In one case, it looks like a washer or a small gear; while in the other case, it look like a copper fitting remnant.

More drivel.

Look again at page 53, that's definitely a flechette, and the bomb fragment states the Motorola logo is clealy visible. Also the report goes on to state on page 55, "Although Sony was cited, the team was shown remains of explosives with the Motorola logo embossed in them. It is unclear what these remains are and which patients they were associated with, and the team could not ascertain their source."

Blimey, Motorola are supplying Hamas! Hold the front page!
It's important to separate your specious opinions: "that's definitely a flechette", from facts. And, the facts are:

there is no solid evidence that your ".....because I say" opinion is accurate and secondly, if it is a flachette, we have no solid evidence that is was a part of an Israeli weapon.

Additionally, we have have no solid evidence that any of the electronics came from either an Israeli weapon or someone's Walkman.

You seem to be stuck in that Cul de sac wherein you level claims without a shred of evidence to support those specious claims. In connection with your certainty that the electronics are Joooooooooo electronics, the report makes the statement: "it is unclear what these remains are and which patients they were associated with, and the team could not ascertain their source." It's remarkable that you can speak with such authority about issues you know nothing about.
 
I looked up the bio on every member of the Team. NONE of them are professional investigators beyond their individual medical skill set.

Ooh that's useful, care to provide links? The bios stated in the report are fairly superficial, it would be good to get confirmation that none of them have had any training or experience at all in gathering evidence of the commission of war crimes.

The IICI is not a government investigative activity.

Never said it was. It does however have an, "Investigation Wing (that) organises qualified investigators around the concept of the Ready Response Team (RRT), a small, mobile multi-disciplinary group designed to respond to crime scenes in a timely manner to gather, preserve and protect physical evidence and the testimony of victims and witnesses."

Just as it is necessary to be a graduate or equivalent to a graduate of the Police Academy South, Netherlands (the most common source) in order to qualify for an entry level position as a UN War Crimes Investigator,

And you extrapolated all that from a single profile bio of one investigator? As it happens, I found an old Job spec for a Grade P3 Investigator position for the Rwandan genocide, when the U.N. were hiring at the time. It shows what is required of an investigator

Investigator, P-3

Responsibilities:
Under the general supervision of the OIC, Investigations Division, Kigali, the incumbent performs the following duties:-
1.Involvement in the collection of information, intelligence and data that would contribute to the successful location and arrest of fugitives.
2.Provide trial support to trial teams and appeals team. Assist trial teams by analyzing relevant witness statements and other documents and advise trial team members.
3.Travel to various parts of the country and abroad with investigators to undertake actual interviews, record statements from witnesses and open new lines of investigations or cause the arrest of wanted persons. 4.Undertake investigations at the direction of the Chief of Investigations, the Team Leader or under the general supervision of assigned Trial Team or Appeals Team.
5.Be responsible for the professional planning and conduct of investigations assigned to him or her.
6.Assign work to the team of investigators. Evaluate performance relative to position description where applicable. 7.Be responsible for operating within the scope of Standard Operating Procedures of the Office of the Prosecutor and the applicable law (s).
8.Coordinate, as necessary with local non-governmental organizations, government and other agencies for the conduct of investigations, to solicit information, including information on sexual assaults for the purposes of trial preparation, trial support and appeals support.
9.Record victim and witness statements on all facts, ensure the proper chain of custody of evidence, obtain complete statements and deposit the originals with the Evidence Unit.
10.Take responsibility for the physical deposit and safe-keeping of all evidence and statements.
11.Liaise with legal advisers, analysts and other team leaders.
12.Review, for accuracy, evidence briefs prepared by a trial team.
13.Ensure, in dealing with witness statements and Source debriefings that the actions taken do not compromise the safety of the witnesses, informants or sources.
14.Follow-up on additional inquiries from prosecution and trial teams related to sexual assault crimes. Prepare mission orders and reports for each field mission.
15.Portray good skills in the coordination of activities of an Investigations team during field missions and most particularly in the arrest of fugitives.

Competencies
Professional:
Knowledge and techniques of contacting, recruiting and managing sources.Knowledge of criminal investigation techniques and procedures and experience in preparing witnesses and evidence for judicial proceedings.
Ability to adapt to changing circumstances and conditions during the course of an investigation and an ability to modify procedures and methodologies accordingly.
Ability to think clearly and logically and analyze complex and obscure data from a myriad of sources.
Perfect knowledge and practice in the use of internal guidelines on the management, and protective measures of confidential sources.

Communication:
Good written and oral skills including the ability to edit a variety of written reports, studies and other communication and articulate ideas in a clear and concise manner.
Ability to express ideas and formulate questions in a clear and unambiguous manner.

Planning and organizing:
The ability to establish priorities, plan and develop clear goals that are consistent with agreed strategies relating to the functions of the post and to conduct work in an environment of conflicting priorities and within limited time frames.

Creativity:
The ability to identify problems affecting the execution of the duties of the Office and to provide innovative solutions.

Teamwork:
Maintain good harmony and team spirit within the Investigations Team that may be placed under his or her supervision or with which he or she may be called up to operate. Good interpersonal skills and the ability to work collaboratively with staff at all levels, in a multicultural environment.

Judgment/Decision-making:
Ability to utilize independent judgment in decision-making, taking into account the impact of these decisions on investigation team's ability to meet the objectives.

Leadership:
Sound professional investigative and administrative abilities to produce high quality work from staff and teams working under his/her supervision.

Building Trust: Ability to obtain the trust, confidence and ultimately, cooperation of others.

QUALIFICATIONS
Education
University Degree in Criminology and Criminal Justice or relevant academic qualifications or equivalent training and a diploma in criminal investigations from a recognized public police academy with work experience in criminal investigations. (Note: This was before the IICI was set up)

Work Experience
A minimum of 7 years of progressively responsible experience in criminal investigations at the national or international level. Demonstrated experience of working at a supervisory level and/or substantial participation in complex, long-term criminal investigations, especially of violent crimes is a requirement. Experience in preparing witnesses and evidence for judicial proceedings as well as experience in recruitment, management of sources and in tracking of wanted fugitives is also a requirement.

Languages
English and French are the working languages of the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda (ICTR). For the post advertised, fluency in oral and written English or French and a good working knowledge of the other language is required.

Other Skills
Good research, analytical and problem solving skills, computer literacy and proficiency in the use of software applications relevant to criminal investigations. Knowledge of criminal investigation techniques and procedure is highly desirable."


Point out to me please where the report team members do not have the requisite skill set reuired above.

American Genocide and War Crimes Unit (GWCU), you have to be a Special Agent

So what? the GWCU is a government organ. That's how the U.S.A. choses to approach investigating war crimes, other countries and the UN have different ideas, like the IICI, for example. Interesting that the GWCU doesn't exist on the FBI current website, wonder what happened to it?
 
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These types of NGO and these types of Reports already have and set agenda and outcome. The product was predetermined before the ink dried on the travel request.

Yes they do, just like all the IDF "investigations" that go on. This, however was a fact finding mission and all it did was to recommend the following:

The FFM
• Calls upon the UN, the EU, the US and other international actors to take steps to ensure that the governments of Israel and Egypt permit and facilitate the entry of investigative teams into Gaza, including experts in international human rightslaw and arms experts. This has not yet been done, months after the offensive;
• Draws attention to the independence and credibility of the local Palestinian civil society groups (Al Mezan, PCHR and GCMHP), and encourages the international community to support and recognize their efforts to collate evidence in Gaza, in order to proceed with legal and/or other remedies as well as to seek justice and/or reparations;
• Believes that the prima facie evidence collected and presented in this Report should be used for the purposes of legal determination of violations of international human rights and humanitarian law, whether through local or international justice mechanisms. It is willing to assist and provide evidence to any credible investigation established for this purpose, and;
• Recommends further urgent and rigorous investigation into the impact of this war, as well as the previous armed conflicts, on public health, mental health and the broader social determinants of health in Gaza. In this assessment, the implacable effects of the on-going occupation itself must be taken into account.
 
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t's important to separate your specious opinions: "that's definitely a flechette", from facts. And, the facts are:

there is no solid evidence that your ".....because I say" opinion is accurate and secondly, if it is a flachette, we have no solid evidence that is was a part of an Israeli weapon.

Another hollow response from Hollie.

1. The fact is, that was a picture of a flechette. Google "flechette", it's not difficult.
2. True, there is no solid evidence that it was part of an Israeli weapon, it might have been an American weapon sold to Zionist Israel. That said, how many Israelis have been killed or injured by flechettes in the history of the whole conflict? Were that the case, the Zionist Hasbara machine would have trumpeted the fact as far and as wide as possible, "Look HAMAS are using purpose built anti-personnel armour piercing projectiles against Jooooos...it's another Holocaust in the making!!!!"..........the silence is defening..........
 
t's important to separate your specious opinions: "that's definitely a flechette", from facts. And, the facts are:

there is no solid evidence that your ".....because I say" opinion is accurate and secondly, if it is a flachette, we have no solid evidence that is was a part of an Israeli weapon.

Another hollow response from Hollie.

1. The fact is, that was a picture of a flechette. Google "flechette", it's not difficult.
2. True, there is no solid evidence that it was part of an Israeli weapon, it might have been an American weapon sold to Zionist Israel. That said, how many Israelis have been killed or injured by flechettes in the history of the whole conflict? Were that the case, the Zionist Hasbara machine would have trumpeted the fact as far and as wide as possible, "Look HAMAS are using purpose built anti-personnel armour piercing projectiles against Jooooos...it's another Holocaust in the making!!!!"..........the silence is defening..........
What does a picture of a flechette have to to with any evidence that, that particular weapon was used as a munition? None. Exactly, you have no facts.

Similarly, your flailing around now causes you to suggest the flachette (the one you admit you have no evidence for), may have been supplied to Israel by the Great Satan.

You have no evidence for that conspiracy theory as you have no evidence for your flachette weapon conspiracy theory™

Admitting you have no evidence for the floating of multiple conspiracy theories is not helped with your "hasbara" nonsense.
 
...Essentially, the UN is ultimately responsible for restitution to the people they facilitated the dispossession of.
Restitution?

Unlikely.

Compensation, and relocation support?

Possible.

Stop pretending that and lying about the Israelis supposed systematically and routinely target civilians and we'll talk.

Happy to build new housing and infrastructure for you on the east bank of the Jordan River and to pay you for your troubles.
 
First, I have no quarrel with the composition of the Fact-Finding Mission (FFM) Team. But you have to remember that while all seem to be exceptionally experienced in their specialty, not a single one of them is a professional intelligence, counterintelligence, law enforcement, or Prosecution Investigator of any kind.

Can you point out where there is a legal requirement for a "professional intelligence, counterintelligence, law enforcement, or Prosecution Investigator" to participate in the initial evidence gathering phase of an investigation into war crimes?

Although the ICII (Institute for International Criminal Investigations) does not require such individuals to be present at inital investigations, can you categorically state that none of the investigators who produced the report were not ICII trained, or at least trained to a level acceptable to the ICII?
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When did the supposed FFM morph into, as you describe, "the initial evidence gathering phase of an investigation into war crimes?"

It seems you have vastly expanded the scope of the FFM. Wouldn't the participants in an "initial evidence gathering phase of an investigation into war crimes" think to bring along forensic experts and equipment for the purpose of evidence gathering?
 
The report must be written in such a ways as to oppose the occupation and make it appear that no aspect of the Arab-Israeli Conflict or the prolonged occupation rests at the feet of the Palestinians. You will note that at no time in the report were the Palestinians held accountable for any outcome.

Drivel. Read some of the reports into the Rwanda genocide, or for that matter, reports on the Holocaust and you will find that, "at no time were the victims held accountable for any outcome." That is not the purpose of the report.
Wait, what? Your attempt at analogy using Rwanda or the Holocaust is hopelessly inept.

Israel entered Gaza in 2014 in response to acts of war (rocket barrages) fired by Hamas and other Islamic terrorist syndicates.

The perps of these acts of war are not the victims. That's why they're called perpetrators, they perpetrated acts, in this case, acts of war.
 
The shocking images reveal that death can be quite gruesome. Some of us already realized this.

But as for the little children who are shown mangled and dead, almost NONE of the scenes in the freaking OP propaganda piece can be shown to have been shot or bombed by Israel much less as having been targeted.

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The shocking images reveal that death can be quite gruesome. Some of us already realized this.

But as for the little children who are shown mangled and dead, almost NONE of the scenes in the freaking OP propaganda piece can be shown to have been shot or bombed by Israel much less as having been targeted.

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"Israeli soldiers claim Palestinian civilians were targeted during Gaza war"

Israeli soldiers claim Palestinian civilians were targeted during Gaza war

'Fire at every person': Israeli soldiers reveal they were ordered to shoot to kill in Gaza combat zones – even if targets may have been civilians

Israeli soldiers reveal they were ordered to shoot to kill in Gaza

"Gaza: Israeli Soldiers Shoot and Kill Fleeing Civilians"

Gaza: Israeli Soldiers Shoot and Kill Fleeing Civilians


U.N. Says Israel Killed Civilians in Schools
people of Gaza have nowhere to run,” Mr. Ban said. “They are trapped, besieged on a speck of land. Every area is a civilian area. Every home, every school, every refuge has become a target. "

U.N. Says Israel Killed Civilians in Schools, Gazans Hid Arms


"Israel Targets Civilians, the Casualties Speak Volumes"

"Israel Targets Civilians, the Casualties Speak Volumes": Int'l Protection Urged for Besieged Gaza | Democracy Now!

 
..."Israel Targets Civilians, the Casualties Speak Volumes"...
The casualties do, indeed, speak volumes, but not about Israel intentionally targeting civilians.

Rather, the casualties speak volumes about the Neanderthal Palestinians, who routinely embed war assets amongst their civilian populations.

Hiding behind the skirts of their women and children like the pussies they are.

Just ask Amnesty International, the United Nations, etc., about whether Hamas et al routinely do this... they'll tell you the same thing.

All protestations from our resident fifth-column Muslim bloggers notwithstanding...
 
..."Israel Targets Civilians, the Casualties Speak Volumes"...
The casualties do, indeed, speak volumes, but not about Israel intentionally targeting civilians.

Rather, the casualties speak volumes about the Neanderthal Palestinians, who routinely embed war assets amongst their civilian populations.

Hiding behind the skirts of their women and children like the pussies they are.

Just ask Amnesty International, the United Nations, etc., about whether Hamas et al routinely do this... they'll tell you the same thing.

All protestations from our resident fifth-column Muslim bloggers notwithstanding...

So, what are you saying? The Israeli soldiers that admitted to targeting civilians are liars?
 
montelatici, et al,

I think that it is time to put Article 22 in its proper perspective.

Rocco, you can huff and puff and make outrageous claims, but the fact of the matter is that the inhabitants of Palestine, had every right to be treated as all the other "peoples" that inhabited the colonies and territories that ceased to be under the sovereignty of the States that formerly governed them. Pursuant to Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations.

"ARTICLE 22.
To those colonies and territories which as a consequence of the late war have ceased to be under the sovereignty of the States which formerly governed them and which are inhabited by peoples not yet able to stand by themselves under the strenuous conditions of the modern world, there should be applied the principle that the well-being and development of such peoples form a sacred trust of civilisation and that securities for the performance of this trust should be embodied in this Covenant.

The best method of giving practical effect to this principle is that the tutelage of such peoples should be entrusted to advanced nations who by reason of their resources, their experience or their geographical position can best undertake this responsibility, and who are willing to accept it, and that this tutelage should be exercised by them as Mandatories on behalf of the League......."

Avalon Project - The Covenant of the League of Nations

There was nothing done by the Mandatory to insure "the well-being and development of such peoples...". In fact, with the action of the UN, the opposite was done. A foreign population was brought in to dispossess the native people of Palestine.

So quit bullshitting.

By the way the U.S. and Australia look far different than before the European ethnic cleansing and genocide of the native population. What the hell does your nonsense about how Europeans developed in Palestine have anything to do with the dispossession of the native people?

That is why the U.N., the organization that sanctioned and permitted the dispossession of the native people of Palestine are responsible for the consequences and are also responsible for making restitution to the native people that the U.N. action dispossessed and their offspring.
(COMMENT)

There is very little question that the Arabs of Palestine believed that the Article 22 of the Covenant to be some sort of Rosetta Stone to sovereignty and faith in the controversial correspondence between the British High Commissioner Sir Henry McMahon and Emir Hussein ibn Ali al-Hashimi (Leader of Hashemite Tribe), Sharif of Mecca --- of 24 October 1915 [Remember the territory was controlled by the Occupied Enemy Territory Administration (1918 - 1920)] , --- and what appeared to be a contradictory pledge made in the Balfour Declaration, adopted by the Allied Powers at San Remo --- put in force by the Mandate; within such boundaries as may be determined by the Principal Allied Powers. Both the Arabs of Palestine and the Jewish immigrants believed that the territory was granted to them. What the Arabs of Palestine did not know is that the settlement of the pledge between Sir Henry and Emir Hussein did not actually commit to an obligation for the Arabs of Palestine. Like so many time that were to happen, the indigenous population (Arab Palestinians) were not really a party to the agreement.

Eventually, the McMahon promise was fulfilled in the establishment of the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan (77% of Mandate) (Prince Abdullah, Emir and first King of Transjordan), and the Kingdom of Iraq (100% of Mandate) (Prince Faisal, first King of Iraq ). Again, the Sir Henry was not even considering the indigenous Arabs of Palestine.

The Covenant of the League of Nations was a joint effort. In Britain Lord James Bryce, 1st Viscount, and G. Lowes Dickinson were instrumental in the development of the basic frameworks incorporated into the Covenant adopted by the British League of Nations Society, founded in 1915. In December 1916, Lord Robert Cecil suggested that an official committee be set up to DRAFT a covenant for the League; supported by US President Taft.

• The same principle nation that contributed the most to the Covenant, also wrote the Balfour Declaration and the content of the Mandate framed in San Remo. Essentially, the intent was of one mind, refined by each successive document. This is why the Mandate, framed in San Remo by the Allied Powers, is directly mentions in the Mandate as that the Mandate gives meaning to Article 22. REMEMBER: The Mandate says that the "Allied Powers (the authors) have agreed, for the purpose of giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations." It does not say that Article 22 gives meaning to the Mandate. The Allied Powers were exactly that --- the power. They did not actually need a Covenant because the Allied Powers dictated the Covenant --- the Covenant did NOT dictate to the Allied Powers.

• No where in Article 22, is a Colony, Protectorate or Territories under mandate, known as Palestine, within the boundaries yet to be determined, is mentioned. Nothing specific is uniquely applicable to the Arab Palestinians. The League of Nations Covenant and Article 22, Signed: 28 June 1919, was adopted while Arab Palestine was under occupation as enemy territory. While the Mandate was technically submitted to the Council of the League for approval; undertaken on behalf of the League of Nations, and the degree of authority, control, or administration to be exercised by the Mandatory was agreed upon by the Members of the League and explicitly defined in each case by the Council; of which the Mandatory and other Allied Powers were influential.

• However you may interpret the Covenant, in the first three decade of the 20th Century, no nation questions the intent of the Allied Powers or even suggest that the Allied Powers failed to follow the Covenant. The Covenant was not written for use by non-member populations under occupation in enemy territory.

Most Respectfully,
R
 
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Physicians for Human Rights-Israel ...
... and George Soros. That's truly hilarious. Any more incredible source?

George Soros is Jewish. It is you who are hilarious. Speaking before doing any research.

George Soros is a Bacon, Lettuce and Tomato Jew.
An Atheist.

So he his, to his credit. A non-partisan who speaks the truth.

I give Soros credit for playing the Free Market to make money.
He's got as much right as anybody to try and inflate his portfolio.
 
montelatici, et al,

I think that it is time to put Article 22 in its proper perspective.

Rocco, you can huff and puff and make outrageous claims, but the fact of the matter is that the inhabitants of Palestine, had every right to be treated as all the other "peoples" that inhabited the colonies and territories that ceased to be under the sovereignty of the States that formerly governed them. Pursuant to Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations.

"ARTICLE 22.
To those colonies and territories which as a consequence of the late war have ceased to be under the sovereignty of the States which formerly governed them and which are inhabited by peoples not yet able to stand by themselves under the strenuous conditions of the modern world, there should be applied the principle that the well-being and development of such peoples form a sacred trust of civilisation and that securities for the performance of this trust should be embodied in this Covenant.

The best method of giving practical effect to this principle is that the tutelage of such peoples should be entrusted to advanced nations who by reason of their resources, their experience or their geographical position can best undertake this responsibility, and who are willing to accept it, and that this tutelage should be exercised by them as Mandatories on behalf of the League......."

Avalon Project - The Covenant of the League of Nations

There was nothing done by the Mandatory to insure "the well-being and development of such peoples...". In fact, with the action of the UN, the opposite was done. A foreign population was brought in to dispossess the native people of Palestine.

So quit bullshitting.

By the way the U.S. and Australia look far different than before the European ethnic cleansing and genocide of the native population. What the hell does your nonsense about how Europeans developed in Palestine have anything to do with the dispossession of the native people?

That is why the U.N., the organization that sanctioned and permitted the dispossession of the native people of Palestine are responsible for the consequences and are also responsible for making restitution to the native people that the U.N. action dispossessed and their offspring.
(COMMENT)

There is very little question that the Arabs of Palestine believed that the Article 22 of the Covenant to be some sort of Rosetta Stone to sovereignty and faith in the controversial correspondence between the British High Commissioner Sir Henry McMahon and Emir Hussein ibn Ali al-Hashimi (Leader of Hashemite Tribe), Sharif of Mecca --- of 24 October 1915 [Remember the territory was controlled by the Occupied Enemy Territory Administration (1918 - 1920)] , --- and what appeared to be a contradictory pledge made in the Balfour Declaration, adopted by the Allied Powers at San Remo --- put in force by the Mandate; within such boundaries as may be determined by the Principal Allied Powers. Both the Arabs of Palestine and the Jewish immigrants believed that the territory was granted to them. What the Arabs of Palestine did not know is that the settlement of the pledge between Sir Henry and Emir Hussein did not actually commit to an obligation for the Arabs of Palestine. Like so many time that were to happen, the indigenous population (Arab Palestinians) were not really a party to the agreement.

Eventually, the McMahon promise was fulfilled in the establishment of the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan (77% of Mandate) (Prince Abdullah, Emir and first King of Transjordan), and the Kingdom of Iraq (100% of Mandate) (Prince Faisal, first King of Iraq ). Again, the Sir Henry was not even considering the indigenous Arabs of Palestine.

The Covenant of the League of Nations was a joint effort. In Britain Lord James Bryce, 1st Viscount, and G. Lowes Dickinson were instrumental in the development of the basic frameworks incorporated into the Covenant adopted by the British League of Nations Society, founded in 1915. In December 1916, Lord Robert Cecil suggested that an official committee be set up to DRAFT a covenant for the League; supported by US President Taft.

• The same principle nation that contributed the most to the Covenant, also wrote the Balfour Declaration and the content of the Mandate framed in San Remo. Essentially, the intent was of one mind, refined by each successive document. This is why the Mandate, framed in San Remo by the Allied Powers, is directly mentions in the Mandate as that the Mandate gives meaning to Article 22. REMEMBER: The Mandate says that the "Allied Powers (the authors) have agreed, for the purpose of giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations." It does not say that Article 22 gives meaning to the Mandate. The Allied Powers were exactly that --- the power. They did not actually need a Covenant because the Allied Powers dictated the Covenant --- the Covenant did NOT dictate to the Allied Powers.

• No where in Article 22, is a Colony, Protectorate or Territories under mandate, known as Palestine, within the boundaries yet to be determined, is mentioned. Nothing specific is uniquely applicable to the Arab Palestinians. The League of Nations Covenant and Article 22, Signed: 28 June 1919, was adopted while Arab Palestine was under occupation as enemy territory. While the Mandate was technically submitted to the Council of the League for approval; undertaken on behalf of the League of Nations, and the degree of authority, control, or administration to be exercised by the Mandatory was agreed upon by the Members of the League and explicitly defined in each case by the Council; of which the Mandatory and other Allied Powers were influential.

• However you may interpret the Covenant, in the first three decade of the 20th Century, no nation questions the intent of the Allied Powers or even suggest that the Allied Powers failed to follow the Covenant. The Covenant was not written for use by non-member populations under occupation in enemy territory.

Most Respectfully,
R

I don't understand the Rosetta Stone analogy, the Rosetta Stone was simply a translation of Egyptian hieroglyphs into ancient Greek, allowing us to be able to read ancient Egyptian texts.

Even in a simple analogy you demonstrate your general ignorance (in the educational sense) and a mind warped by rabid partisanship. Defending the indefensible must be difficult so, lacking proper credentials combined with a rabid partisanship, bordering on visceral hate for Arabs, be they Christian or Muslims, reduces most of what you write to nonsense, not worth responding to. But, I will set you straight this time.

The Covenant of the League of Nations is not a Rosetta Stone or translation tool, it is the Bible for post-war international order. It represents how the world would proceed after the Great War, and was written to attempt to prevent another war but specifically for the people of the world that heretofore had been under foreign domination or colonization. It represented the West's and the colonial powers intention to cease colonization and free those peoples that had been under colonization.

So, yes the Covenant was written for much of the people of the world at the time, people under colonization or under foreign domination.

The vision of a democratic independent state in Palestine where human, political and religious freedoms were to prevail was part and parcel of the Covenant. This vision is captured in the “sacred trust” for Palestine accepted by Britain in 1920 in the [League of Nations] Mandate for Palestine.

As the International Court of Justice, in various subsequent decisions, has stressed, that the concept of sacred trust must be interpreted as requiring effect to be given to the principle of self-determination leading to independence.

In its opinion 1950 opinion the ICJ made a number of pronouncements relating to the mandates system in general which are applicable to the Mandate for Palestine. Under the mandates system, the ICJ declared that “two principles were considered to be of paramount importance: the principle of non-annexation and the principle that the well-being and development of such peoples form ‘a sacred trust of civilization’. The Mandates were created according to the ICJ, “in the interest of the inhabitants of the territory, and of humanity in general, as an international institution with an international object, a sacred trust of civilization.”The fulfilment of the sacred trust did not depend upon the existence of the League of Nations. In its dissolution resolution the Assembly of the League said that the League’s functions with respect to mandated territories would come to an end but it “did not say that the Mandates themselves came to an end”.

The ICJ concluded:

"These developments leave little doubt that the ultimate objective of the sacred trust was the self-determination and independence of the peoples concerned”.

As in 1950, in 1971 the Court made a number of pronouncements of a general nature on the sacred trust that applied to all mandated territories. It made it clear that the continuance of an institution such as a Mandate was not inseparably linked with the League of Nations and “cannot be presumed to lapse before the achievement of its purpose”.9 The Court declared that the concept of the sacred trust had evolved in accordance with developments in international law and that

“These developments leave little doubt that the ultimate objective of the sacred trust was the self-determination and independence of the peoples concerned”.

The ICJ decisions are readily available at:

Cour internationale de Justice | International Court of Justice

The 1950 decision, in particular, can be viewed using the link below:

http://www.icj-cij.org/docket/files/10/1893.pdf
 


Looks like they do


Damn.. I swear that's the same footage of snipers they used in that video of a dog-shooting on the rooftop..
It IS the same footage..


Well, making false claims about videos does not change the fact that outside of certain partisan Americans, and the Israelis themselves, the rest of the world is well aware that the Israeli security forces target civilians.



 
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