Israel does not target civilians?

[RoccoR]

montelatici, et al,

Well, as for Ken Roth, he really hasn't worked as a real attorney since the early '90s (two decades ago). But more importantly, the found of Human Rights Watch (HRW) had a comment.

"In reaction to Richard Goldstone's recantation of the United Nations Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict report, HRW Founder Robert Bernstein said to the Jerusalem Post in April 2011, referring to Roth, that it "is time for him to follow Judge Goldstone’s example and issue his own mea culpa." (By JORDANA HORN, JPOST CORRESPONDENT \04/08/2011)
​

Former federal prosecutor for the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York and Executive Director of HRW. Kenneth Roth is Jewish, by the way.

(COMMENT)

As for Human Rights Watch (HRW), I generally read what they public, although not always in a timely matter. But I would like to bring you attention to a couple of articles to you.

JUNE 29, 2015
Human Rights Watch Statement to the UN Human Rights Council
Gaza Commission of Inquiry Report

The report rightly condemns Israel, Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups for serious violations of the laws of war, some of which may amount to war crimes. We note the devastating impact of the fighting in Gaza, where 1,462 Palestinian civilians lost their lives, one-third of them children. In Israel, six civilians were killed. The report found that the attacks causing many of these civilian deaths were unlawful.
​

The general theme of HRW has not changed much six year. And the HRW still does not believe that the Islamic Resistance Movement is responsible in any way for the deaths. HRW ignore the Rules 23 and 24 of the Customary and International Humanitarian Law that requires that whenever possible, the Islamic Resistance should not conduct hostile operations from densely populated areas (Human Shielding) and move/evacuate civilians from areas used by the Islamic Resistance to fire on Israel.

AUGUST 6, 2009
Gaza/Israel: Hamas Rocket Attacks on Civilians Unlawful
Launches from Populated Areas Endanger Israelis and Palestinians

(Jerusalem) - Hamas should repudiate unlawful rocket attacks against Israeli population centers and hold those responsible for them to account, Human Rights Watch said in a new report released today. Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups have over several years launched thousands of rockets at Israeli cities and towns, including hundreds during Israel's three-week military offensive in Gaza in December 2008 and January 2009.

AUGUST 6, 2009
Rockets from Gaza
Harm to Civilians from Palestinian Armed Groups’ Rocket Attacks

Since 2001, Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups in Gaza have fired thousands of rockets deliberately or indiscriminately at civilian areas in Israel. Such attacks virtually stopped during a ceasefire that began in June 2008 but escalated in November 2008 after an Israeli military incursion into Gaza.

​

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[montelatici]

Does not apply to Israel

So, Israel is the only country that is exempt from international law....

There's a surprise...

Well, they have been allowed to get away with it for decades, so, I guess you must be right roodboy! That's the zionut mentality and the fault of the international community for treating Israel with kid gloves. After all Israel is there for those poor, long suffering Jews isn't it!

Oh and whilst we are at it... Looking at Gaza in isolation to the rest of the Palestinians is just dumb!

It's a friggin Red Cross manual. It isn't international law. And it doesn't apply because there is no "belligerent occupation" in Gaza, in fact there is no occupation at all. There is a blockade which has been deemed legal by the UN. If anything Hamas are the biggest violators of international law.

The terror and loss of civilian life on both sides is less in the West Bank because it isn't ruled by an Islamic terrorist organization committed to the destruction of Israel as Gaza is.

The ICRC Manual reiterates International Law. No one denies that it represents the law as written.

But if you wish to read the Geneva Conventions directly, you can :

ICRC service

By the way, have you ever wondered why they are called the Geneva Conventions and why the ICRC is headquartered in Geneva. LOL


Gaza is a belligerent occupation as per International Law. The decision was based upon the following facts regarding Gaza:

"The manifestations of Israel’s continuing effective control include:

(a) substantial control of Gaza’s six land crossings;

(b) control through military incursions, rocket attacks and sonic booms, and the declaration of areas inside the Strip as “no-go” zones where anyone who enters can be shot;

(c) complete control of Gaza’s airspace and territorial waters;

(d) control of the Palestinian Population Registry, which has the power and authority to define who is a “Palestinian” and who is a resident of Gaza.

Added to these the court added that, Israel’s continuing capacity to invade Gaza, arrest residents, and transport them into Israel for the prosecution of Gazans in Israeli civil courts, and their imprisonment inside Israel, makes it a de facto belligerent occupation.

Israel also collects Gaza Customs and VAT taxes. By the way.

Under the Geneva Convention on Terrorism, National Liberation Movements are specifically excluded from the definition of terrorism, and armed resistance activities in Palestine are called out, among others as National Liberation activities.

THE GENEVA DECLARATION ON TERRORISM​

UN General Assembly Doc. A/42/307, 29 May 1987, Annex​

Geneva, 21 March 1987​

"II. NATIONAL LIBERATION MOVEMENTS

As repeatedly recognized by the United Nations General Assembly, peoples who are fighting against colonial domination and alien occupation and against racist regimes in the exercise of their right of self-determination have the right to use force to accomplish their objectives within the framework of international humanitarian law. Such lawful uses of force must not be confused with acts of international terrorism. Thus, it would be legally impermissible to treat members of national liberation movements in the Caribbean Basin, Central America, Namibia, Northern Ireland, the Pacific Islands, Palestine, and South Africa, among others, as if they were common criminals. Rather, national liberation fighters should be treated as combatants subject to the laws and customs of warfare and to the international laws of humanitarian armed conflict as evidenced, for example, by the 1907 Hague Regulations, the Four Geneva Conventions of 1949, and their Additional Protocol I of 1977. Hence, national liberation fighters would be held to the same standards of belligerent conduct that are applicable to soldiers
fighting in an international armed conflict. Thus, when a liberation fighter is captured by a belligerent state, he should not be tried as a criminal, but would be treated as a prisoner of war. He could be interned for the duration of the conflict, or released upon condition of a pledge to refrain from further participation in hostilities, or traded in a prisoner of war exchange. In the event such a national liberation fighter is found in a neutral state, he should not be subjected to extradition to the belligerent state."

THE GENEVA DECLARATION ON TERRORISM

 

[montelatici]

montelatici, et al,

Well, as for Ken Roth, he really hasn't worked as a real attorney since the early '90s (two decades ago). But more importantly, the found of Human Rights Watch (HRW) had a comment.

"In reaction to Richard Goldstone's recantation of the United Nations Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict report, HRW Founder Robert Bernstein said to the Jerusalem Post in April 2011, referring to Roth, that it "is time for him to follow Judge Goldstone’s example and issue his own mea culpa." (By JORDANA HORN, JPOST CORRESPONDENT \04/08/2011)
​

Former federal prosecutor for the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York and Executive Director of HRW. Kenneth Roth is Jewish, by the way.

(COMMENT)

As for Human Rights Watch (HRW), I generally read what they public, although not always in a timely matter. But I would like to bring you attention to a couple of articles to you.

JUNE 29, 2015
Human Rights Watch Statement to the UN Human Rights Council
Gaza Commission of Inquiry Report

The report rightly condemns Israel, Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups for serious violations of the laws of war, some of which may amount to war crimes. We note the devastating impact of the fighting in Gaza, where 1,462 Palestinian civilians lost their lives, one-third of them children. In Israel, six civilians were killed. The report found that the attacks causing many of these civilian deaths were unlawful.
​

The general theme of HRW has not changed much six year. And the HRW still does not believe that the Islamic Resistance Movement is responsible in any way for the deaths. HRW ignore the Rules 23 and 24 of the Customary and International Humanitarian Law that requires that whenever possible, the Islamic Resistance should not conduct hostile operations from densely populated areas (Human Shielding) and move/evacuate civilians from areas used by the Islamic Resistance to fire on Israel.

AUGUST 6, 2009
Gaza/Israel: Hamas Rocket Attacks on Civilians Unlawful
Launches from Populated Areas Endanger Israelis and Palestinians

(Jerusalem) - Hamas should repudiate unlawful rocket attacks against Israeli population centers and hold those responsible for them to account, Human Rights Watch said in a new report released today. Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups have over several years launched thousands of rockets at Israeli cities and towns, including hundreds during Israel's three-week military offensive in Gaza in December 2008 and January 2009.

View attachment 56563​

AUGUST 6, 2009
Rockets from Gaza
Harm to Civilians from Palestinian Armed Groups’ Rocket Attacks

Since 2001, Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups in Gaza have fired thousands of rockets deliberately or indiscriminately at civilian areas in Israel. Such attacks virtually stopped during a ceasefire that began in June 2008 but escalated in November 2008 after an Israeli military incursion into Gaza.

​

Most Respectfully,
R

Jews that do the right thing are often forced to recant after speaking the truth. Ariel Toaff, another noted Jewish professor was forced to recant a complete historical work. It is somewhat like the Inquisition for Jews that dare speak the truth.

Spouting additional propaganda just further cheapens your contributions, if that is possible. You are just trying (and failing) to defend the indefensible.

 

[Roudy]

Does not apply to Israel

So, Israel is the only country that is exempt from international law....

There's a surprise...

Well, they have been allowed to get away with it for decades, so, I guess you must be right roodboy! That's the zionut mentality and the fault of the international community for treating Israel with kid gloves. After all Israel is there for those poor, long suffering Jews isn't it!

Oh and whilst we are at it... Looking at Gaza in isolation to the rest of the Palestinians is just dumb!

It's a friggin Red Cross manual. It isn't international law. And it doesn't apply because there is no "belligerent occupation" in Gaza, in fact there is no occupation at all. There is a blockade which has been deemed legal by the UN. If anything Hamas are the biggest violators of international law.

The terror and loss of civilian life on both sides is less in the West Bank because it isn't ruled by an Islamic terrorist organization committed to the destruction of Israel as Gaza is.

The ICRC Manual reiterates International Law. No one denies that it represents the law as written.

But if you wish to read the Geneva Conventions directly, you can :

ICRC service

By the way, have you ever wondered why they are called the Geneva Conventions and why the ICRC is headquartered in Geneva. LOL


Gaza is a belligerent occupation as per International Law. The decision was based upon the following facts regarding Gaza:

"The manifestations of Israel’s continuing effective control include:

(a) substantial control of Gaza’s six land crossings;

(b) control through military incursions, rocket attacks and sonic booms, and the declaration of areas inside the Strip as “no-go” zones where anyone who enters can be shot;

(c) complete control of Gaza’s airspace and territorial waters;

(d) control of the Palestinian Population Registry, which has the power and authority to define who is a “Palestinian” and who is a resident of Gaza.

Added to these the court added that, Israel’s continuing capacity to invade Gaza, arrest residents, and transport them into Israel for the prosecution of Gazans in Israeli civil courts, and their imprisonment inside Israel, makes it a de facto belligerent occupation.

Israel also collects Gaza Customs and VAT taxes. By the way.

Under the Geneva Convention on Terrorism, National Liberation Movements are specifically excluded from the definition of terrorism, and armed resistance activities in Palestine are called out, among others as National Liberation activities.

THE GENEVA DECLARATION ON TERRORISM
UN General Assembly Doc. A/42/307, 29 May 1987, Annex
Geneva, 21 March 1987​

"II. NATIONAL LIBERATION MOVEMENTS

As repeatedly recognized by the United Nations General Assembly, peoples who are fighting against colonial domination and alien occupation and against racist regimes in the exercise of their right of self-determination have the right to use force to accomplish their objectives within the framework of international humanitarian law. Such lawful uses of force must not be confused with acts of international terrorism. Thus, it would be legally impermissible to treat members of national liberation movements in the Caribbean Basin, Central America, Namibia, Northern Ireland, the Pacific Islands, Palestine, and South Africa, among others, as if they were common criminals. Rather, national liberation fighters should be treated as combatants subject to the laws and customs of warfare and to the international laws of humanitarian armed conflict as evidenced, for example, by the 1907 Hague Regulations, the Four Geneva Conventions of 1949, and their Additional Protocol I of 1977. Hence, national liberation fighters would be held to the same standards of belligerent conduct that are applicable to soldiers
fighting in an international armed conflict. Thus, when a liberation fighter is captured by a belligerent state, he should not be tried as a criminal, but would be treated as a prisoner of war. He could be interned for the duration of the conflict, or released upon condition of a pledge to refrain from further participation in hostilities, or traded in a prisoner of war exchange. In the event such a national liberation fighter is found in a neutral state, he should not be subjected to extradition to the belligerent state."

THE GENEVA DECLARATION ON TERRORISM

And where does it say Palestinians coward mass murderers in Gaza, who are not under any military occupation, can wear civilian attire, target Israeli civilians, then hide among their own civilians, and be "protected"? It doesn't.

 

[Roudy]

montelatici, et al,

Well, as for Ken Roth, he really hasn't worked as a real attorney since the early '90s (two decades ago). But more importantly, the found of Human Rights Watch (HRW) had a comment.

"In reaction to Richard Goldstone's recantation of the United Nations Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict report, HRW Founder Robert Bernstein said to the Jerusalem Post in April 2011, referring to Roth, that it "is time for him to follow Judge Goldstone’s example and issue his own mea culpa." (By JORDANA HORN, JPOST CORRESPONDENT \04/08/2011)
​

Former federal prosecutor for the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York and Executive Director of HRW. Kenneth Roth is Jewish, by the way.

(COMMENT)

As for Human Rights Watch (HRW), I generally read what they public, although not always in a timely matter. But I would like to bring you attention to a couple of articles to you.

JUNE 29, 2015
Human Rights Watch Statement to the UN Human Rights Council
Gaza Commission of Inquiry Report

The report rightly condemns Israel, Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups for serious violations of the laws of war, some of which may amount to war crimes. We note the devastating impact of the fighting in Gaza, where 1,462 Palestinian civilians lost their lives, one-third of them children. In Israel, six civilians were killed. The report found that the attacks causing many of these civilian deaths were unlawful.
​

The general theme of HRW has not changed much six year. And the HRW still does not believe that the Islamic Resistance Movement is responsible in any way for the deaths. HRW ignore the Rules 23 and 24 of the Customary and International Humanitarian Law that requires that whenever possible, the Islamic Resistance should not conduct hostile operations from densely populated areas (Human Shielding) and move/evacuate civilians from areas used by the Islamic Resistance to fire on Israel.

AUGUST 6, 2009
Gaza/Israel: Hamas Rocket Attacks on Civilians Unlawful
Launches from Populated Areas Endanger Israelis and Palestinians

(Jerusalem) - Hamas should repudiate unlawful rocket attacks against Israeli population centers and hold those responsible for them to account, Human Rights Watch said in a new report released today. Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups have over several years launched thousands of rockets at Israeli cities and towns, including hundreds during Israel's three-week military offensive in Gaza in December 2008 and January 2009.

View attachment 56563​

AUGUST 6, 2009
Rockets from Gaza
Harm to Civilians from Palestinian Armed Groups’ Rocket Attacks

Since 2001, Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups in Gaza have fired thousands of rockets deliberately or indiscriminately at civilian areas in Israel. Such attacks virtually stopped during a ceasefire that began in June 2008 but escalated in November 2008 after an Israeli military incursion into Gaza.

​

Most Respectfully,
R

Jews that do the right thing are often forced to recant after speaking the truth. Ariel Toaff, another noted Jewish professor was forced to recant a complete historical work. It is somewhat like the Inquisition for Jews that dare speak the truth.

Spouting additional propaganda just further cheapens your contributions, if that is possible. You are just trying (and failing) to defend the indefensible.

On the other hand, One would say that supporting a "Palestinian movement" that is dedicated to the genocide and mass murder of the Jewish people and total destruction of their state from its inception, and labeling palestinian terrorist animals who routinely target civilians as "protected", would be defending the indefensible (and failing).

 

[Billo_Really]

It's a friggin Red Cross manual. It isn't international law. And it doesn't apply because there is no "belligerent occupation" in Gaza, in fact there is no occupation at all. There is a blockade which has been deemed legal by the UN. If anything Hamas are the biggest violators of international law.

The terror and loss of civilian life on both sides is less in the West Bank because it isn't ruled by an Islamic terrorist organization committed to the destruction of Israel as Gaza is.

Hey dumbass, the Red Cross is the caretaker of the IHL database.



And it ain't no fuckin' manual!



Here's one of the rules (laws) applicable to this very thread, which Israel violates as a matter of policy...

Rule 2. Violence Aimed at Spreading Terror among the Civilian Population
Acts or threats of violence the primary purpose of which is to spread terror among the civilian population are prohibited.

Examples of acts of violence cited in practice as being prohibited under this rule include offensive support or strike operations aimed at spreading terror among the civilian population, indiscriminate and widespread shelling, and the regular bombardment of cities, but also assault, rape, abuse and torture of women and children, and mass killing.

...concerned deliberate and indiscriminate firing on civilian targets, unlawful firing on civilian gatherings, and a protracted campaign of shelling and sniping upon civilian areas. These examples show that many acts violating the prohibition of acts or threats of violence aimed at terrorizing the civilian population are also covered by specific prohibitions.
​

So it doesn't matter how many leaflets (or taps on the roof) you savage animals drop, IT IS ******* ILLEGAL!

 

[Humanity]

not under any military occupation

At best, "belligerent occupation"... Though military occupation can be considered... Israel constantly running gun boats in Gazan waters....

wear civilian attire

Palestine doesn't have a military... There is no uniform to wear!

So, asking the question, "Israel does not target civilians?".... The answer is YES Israel DOES target civilians!

 

[montelatici]

Does not apply to Israel

So, Israel is the only country that is exempt from international law....

There's a surprise...

Well, they have been allowed to get away with it for decades, so, I guess you must be right roodboy! That's the zionut mentality and the fault of the international community for treating Israel with kid gloves. After all Israel is there for those poor, long suffering Jews isn't it!

Oh and whilst we are at it... Looking at Gaza in isolation to the rest of the Palestinians is just dumb!

It's a friggin Red Cross manual. It isn't international law. And it doesn't apply because there is no "belligerent occupation" in Gaza, in fact there is no occupation at all. There is a blockade which has been deemed legal by the UN. If anything Hamas are the biggest violators of international law.

The terror and loss of civilian life on both sides is less in the West Bank because it isn't ruled by an Islamic terrorist organization committed to the destruction of Israel as Gaza is.

The ICRC Manual reiterates International Law. No one denies that it represents the law as written.

But if you wish to read the Geneva Conventions directly, you can :

ICRC service

By the way, have you ever wondered why they are called the Geneva Conventions and why the ICRC is headquartered in Geneva. LOL


Gaza is a belligerent occupation as per International Law. The decision was based upon the following facts regarding Gaza:

"The manifestations of Israel’s continuing effective control include:

(a) substantial control of Gaza’s six land crossings;

(b) control through military incursions, rocket attacks and sonic booms, and the declaration of areas inside the Strip as “no-go” zones where anyone who enters can be shot;

(c) complete control of Gaza’s airspace and territorial waters;

(d) control of the Palestinian Population Registry, which has the power and authority to define who is a “Palestinian” and who is a resident of Gaza.

Added to these the court added that, Israel’s continuing capacity to invade Gaza, arrest residents, and transport them into Israel for the prosecution of Gazans in Israeli civil courts, and their imprisonment inside Israel, makes it a de facto belligerent occupation.

Israel also collects Gaza Customs and VAT taxes. By the way.

Under the Geneva Convention on Terrorism, National Liberation Movements are specifically excluded from the definition of terrorism, and armed resistance activities in Palestine are called out, among others as National Liberation activities.

THE GENEVA DECLARATION ON TERRORISM
UN General Assembly Doc. A/42/307, 29 May 1987, Annex
Geneva, 21 March 1987​

"II. NATIONAL LIBERATION MOVEMENTS

As repeatedly recognized by the United Nations General Assembly, peoples who are fighting against colonial domination and alien occupation and against racist regimes in the exercise of their right of self-determination have the right to use force to accomplish their objectives within the framework of international humanitarian law. Such lawful uses of force must not be confused with acts of international terrorism. Thus, it would be legally impermissible to treat members of national liberation movements in the Caribbean Basin, Central America, Namibia, Northern Ireland, the Pacific Islands, Palestine, and South Africa, among others, as if they were common criminals. Rather, national liberation fighters should be treated as combatants subject to the laws and customs of warfare and to the international laws of humanitarian armed conflict as evidenced, for example, by the 1907 Hague Regulations, the Four Geneva Conventions of 1949, and their Additional Protocol I of 1977. Hence, national liberation fighters would be held to the same standards of belligerent conduct that are applicable to soldiers
fighting in an international armed conflict. Thus, when a liberation fighter is captured by a belligerent state, he should not be tried as a criminal, but would be treated as a prisoner of war. He could be interned for the duration of the conflict, or released upon condition of a pledge to refrain from further participation in hostilities, or traded in a prisoner of war exchange. In the event such a national liberation fighter is found in a neutral state, he should not be subjected to extradition to the belligerent state."

THE GENEVA DECLARATION ON TERRORISM

And where does it say Palestinians coward mass murderers in Gaza, who are not under any military occupation, can wear civilian attire, target Israeli civilians, then hide among their own civilians, and be "protected"? It doesn't.

Of course Gaza is under belligerent occupation (which means military). It is settled international law accepted by all nations, including the United States.

Please advise which "mass murder" was committed by the Palestinian resistance in Gaza.

As the ICJ judge said, the term military attire as indicated in the Geneva Conventions is not conditioned by a style magazine.

The resistance in Gaza targets the Israeli military. In fact, 92.5% of the Israeli casualties during the last Gaza war were military and 7.5% were Israeli civilians. 75% of Palestinian casualties were civilian and 25% were military.

The resistance in Gaza does not hide among their own civilians.

 

[Humanity]

montelatici, et al,

Well, as for Ken Roth, he really hasn't worked as a real attorney since the early '90s (two decades ago). But more importantly, the found of Human Rights Watch (HRW) had a comment.

"In reaction to Richard Goldstone's recantation of the United Nations Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict report, HRW Founder Robert Bernstein said to the Jerusalem Post in April 2011, referring to Roth, that it "is time for him to follow Judge Goldstone’s example and issue his own mea culpa." (By JORDANA HORN, JPOST CORRESPONDENT \04/08/2011)
​

Former federal prosecutor for the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York and Executive Director of HRW. Kenneth Roth is Jewish, by the way.

(COMMENT)

As for Human Rights Watch (HRW), I generally read what they public, although not always in a timely matter. But I would like to bring you attention to a couple of articles to you.

JUNE 29, 2015
Human Rights Watch Statement to the UN Human Rights Council
Gaza Commission of Inquiry Report

The report rightly condemns Israel, Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups for serious violations of the laws of war, some of which may amount to war crimes. We note the devastating impact of the fighting in Gaza, where 1,462 Palestinian civilians lost their lives, one-third of them children. In Israel, six civilians were killed. The report found that the attacks causing many of these civilian deaths were unlawful.
​

The general theme of HRW has not changed much six year. And the HRW still does not believe that the Islamic Resistance Movement is responsible in any way for the deaths. HRW ignore the Rules 23 and 24 of the Customary and International Humanitarian Law that requires that whenever possible, the Islamic Resistance should not conduct hostile operations from densely populated areas (Human Shielding) and move/evacuate civilians from areas used by the Islamic Resistance to fire on Israel.

AUGUST 6, 2009
Gaza/Israel: Hamas Rocket Attacks on Civilians Unlawful
Launches from Populated Areas Endanger Israelis and Palestinians

(Jerusalem) - Hamas should repudiate unlawful rocket attacks against Israeli population centers and hold those responsible for them to account, Human Rights Watch said in a new report released today. Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups have over several years launched thousands of rockets at Israeli cities and towns, including hundreds during Israel's three-week military offensive in Gaza in December 2008 and January 2009.

View attachment 56563​

AUGUST 6, 2009
Rockets from Gaza
Harm to Civilians from Palestinian Armed Groups’ Rocket Attacks

Since 2001, Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups in Gaza have fired thousands of rockets deliberately or indiscriminately at civilian areas in Israel. Such attacks virtually stopped during a ceasefire that began in June 2008 but escalated in November 2008 after an Israeli military incursion into Gaza.

​

Most Respectfully,
R

Jews that do the right thing are often forced to recant after speaking the truth. Ariel Toaff, another noted Jewish professor was forced to recant a complete historical work. It is somewhat like the Inquisition for Jews that dare speak the truth.

Spouting additional propaganda just further cheapens your contributions, if that is possible. You are just trying (and failing) to defend the indefensible.

On the other hand, One would say that supporting a "Palestinian movement" that is dedicated to the genocide and mass murder of the Jewish people and total destruction of their state from its inception, and labeling palestinian terrorist animals who routinely target civilians as "protected", would be defending the indefensible (and failing).

The vile hatred and racism is strong in this one OB1

 

[Roudy]

Does not apply to Israel

So, Israel is the only country that is exempt from international law....

There's a surprise...

Well, they have been allowed to get away with it for decades, so, I guess you must be right roodboy! That's the zionut mentality and the fault of the international community for treating Israel with kid gloves. After all Israel is there for those poor, long suffering Jews isn't it!

Oh and whilst we are at it... Looking at Gaza in isolation to the rest of the Palestinians is just dumb!

It's a friggin Red Cross manual. It isn't international law. And it doesn't apply because there is no "belligerent occupation" in Gaza, in fact there is no occupation at all. There is a blockade which has been deemed legal by the UN. If anything Hamas are the biggest violators of international law.

The terror and loss of civilian life on both sides is less in the West Bank because it isn't ruled by an Islamic terrorist organization committed to the destruction of Israel as Gaza is.

The ICRC Manual reiterates International Law. No one denies that it represents the law as written.

But if you wish to read the Geneva Conventions directly, you can :

ICRC service

By the way, have you ever wondered why they are called the Geneva Conventions and why the ICRC is headquartered in Geneva. LOL


Gaza is a belligerent occupation as per International Law. The decision was based upon the following facts regarding Gaza:

"The manifestations of Israel’s continuing effective control include:

(a) substantial control of Gaza’s six land crossings;

(b) control through military incursions, rocket attacks and sonic booms, and the declaration of areas inside the Strip as “no-go” zones where anyone who enters can be shot;

(c) complete control of Gaza’s airspace and territorial waters;

(d) control of the Palestinian Population Registry, which has the power and authority to define who is a “Palestinian” and who is a resident of Gaza.

Added to these the court added that, Israel’s continuing capacity to invade Gaza, arrest residents, and transport them into Israel for the prosecution of Gazans in Israeli civil courts, and their imprisonment inside Israel, makes it a de facto belligerent occupation.

Israel also collects Gaza Customs and VAT taxes. By the way.

Under the Geneva Convention on Terrorism, National Liberation Movements are specifically excluded from the definition of terrorism, and armed resistance activities in Palestine are called out, among others as National Liberation activities.

THE GENEVA DECLARATION ON TERRORISM
UN General Assembly Doc. A/42/307, 29 May 1987, Annex
Geneva, 21 March 1987​

"II. NATIONAL LIBERATION MOVEMENTS

As repeatedly recognized by the United Nations General Assembly, peoples who are fighting against colonial domination and alien occupation and against racist regimes in the exercise of their right of self-determination have the right to use force to accomplish their objectives within the framework of international humanitarian law. Such lawful uses of force must not be confused with acts of international terrorism. Thus, it would be legally impermissible to treat members of national liberation movements in the Caribbean Basin, Central America, Namibia, Northern Ireland, the Pacific Islands, Palestine, and South Africa, among others, as if they were common criminals. Rather, national liberation fighters should be treated as combatants subject to the laws and customs of warfare and to the international laws of humanitarian armed conflict as evidenced, for example, by the 1907 Hague Regulations, the Four Geneva Conventions of 1949, and their Additional Protocol I of 1977. Hence, national liberation fighters would be held to the same standards of belligerent conduct that are applicable to soldiers
fighting in an international armed conflict. Thus, when a liberation fighter is captured by a belligerent state, he should not be tried as a criminal, but would be treated as a prisoner of war. He could be interned for the duration of the conflict, or released upon condition of a pledge to refrain from further participation in hostilities, or traded in a prisoner of war exchange. In the event such a national liberation fighter is found in a neutral state, he should not be subjected to extradition to the belligerent state."

THE GENEVA DECLARATION ON TERRORISM

And where does it say Palestinians coward mass murderers in Gaza, who are not under any military occupation, can wear civilian attire, target Israeli civilians, then hide among their own civilians, and be "protected"? It doesn't.

Of course Gaza is under belligerent occupation (which means military). It is settled international law accepted by all nations, including the United States.

Please advise which "mass murder" was committed by the Palestinian resistance in Gaza.

As the ICJ judge said, the term military attire as indicated in the Geneva Conventions is not conditioned by a style magazine.

The resistance in Gaza targets the Israeli military. In fact, 92.5% of the Israeli casualties during the last Gaza war were military and 7.5% were Israeli civilians. 75% of Palestinian casualties were civilian and 25% were military.

The resistance in Gaza does not hide among their own civilians.

Nope not a single Isrseli soldier in Gaza now. There is a blockade which has been deemed legal. No occupation and certainly not belligerent. The belligerent are the ones led by a terrorist group, not under occupation, with genocidal intentions and are constantly targeting Israeli civilians while hiding behind their own.

Hamas = ISIS of Gaza.

 

[Roudy]

montelatici, et al,

Well, as for Ken Roth, he really hasn't worked as a real attorney since the early '90s (two decades ago). But more importantly, the found of Human Rights Watch (HRW) had a comment.

"In reaction to Richard Goldstone's recantation of the United Nations Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict report, HRW Founder Robert Bernstein said to the Jerusalem Post in April 2011, referring to Roth, that it "is time for him to follow Judge Goldstone’s example and issue his own mea culpa." (By JORDANA HORN, JPOST CORRESPONDENT \04/08/2011)
​

Former federal prosecutor for the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York and Executive Director of HRW. Kenneth Roth is Jewish, by the way.

(COMMENT)

As for Human Rights Watch (HRW), I generally read what they public, although not always in a timely matter. But I would like to bring you attention to a couple of articles to you.

JUNE 29, 2015
Human Rights Watch Statement to the UN Human Rights Council
Gaza Commission of Inquiry Report

The report rightly condemns Israel, Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups for serious violations of the laws of war, some of which may amount to war crimes. We note the devastating impact of the fighting in Gaza, where 1,462 Palestinian civilians lost their lives, one-third of them children. In Israel, six civilians were killed. The report found that the attacks causing many of these civilian deaths were unlawful.
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The general theme of HRW has not changed much six year. And the HRW still does not believe that the Islamic Resistance Movement is responsible in any way for the deaths. HRW ignore the Rules 23 and 24 of the Customary and International Humanitarian Law that requires that whenever possible, the Islamic Resistance should not conduct hostile operations from densely populated areas (Human Shielding) and move/evacuate civilians from areas used by the Islamic Resistance to fire on Israel.

AUGUST 6, 2009
Gaza/Israel: Hamas Rocket Attacks on Civilians Unlawful
Launches from Populated Areas Endanger Israelis and Palestinians

(Jerusalem) - Hamas should repudiate unlawful rocket attacks against Israeli population centers and hold those responsible for them to account, Human Rights Watch said in a new report released today. Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups have over several years launched thousands of rockets at Israeli cities and towns, including hundreds during Israel's three-week military offensive in Gaza in December 2008 and January 2009.

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AUGUST 6, 2009
Rockets from Gaza
Harm to Civilians from Palestinian Armed Groups’ Rocket Attacks

Since 2001, Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups in Gaza have fired thousands of rockets deliberately or indiscriminately at civilian areas in Israel. Such attacks virtually stopped during a ceasefire that began in June 2008 but escalated in November 2008 after an Israeli military incursion into Gaza.

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Most Respectfully,
R

Jews that do the right thing are often forced to recant after speaking the truth. Ariel Toaff, another noted Jewish professor was forced to recant a complete historical work. It is somewhat like the Inquisition for Jews that dare speak the truth.

Spouting additional propaganda just further cheapens your contributions, if that is possible. You are just trying (and failing) to defend the indefensible.

On the other hand, One would say that supporting a "Palestinian movement" that is dedicated to the genocide and mass murder of the Jewish people and total destruction of their state from its inception, and labeling palestinian terrorist animals who routinely target civilians as "protected", would be defending the indefensible (and failing).

The vile hatred and racism is strong in this one OB1

Just the facts, Abdul.

 

[Roudy]

not under any military occupation

At best, "belligerent occupation"... Though military occupation can be considered... Israel constantly running gun boats in Gazan waters....

wear civilian attire

Palestine doesn't have a military... There is no uniform to wear!

So, asking the question, "Israel does not target civilians?".... The answer is YES Israel DOES target civilians!

Oh, they can't wear clothing to distinguish themselves as military? Bullshit! They're coward mass murderers who hide behind their own women and children. Always were, always will be.

 

[Humanity]

montelatici, et al,

Well, as for Ken Roth, he really hasn't worked as a real attorney since the early '90s (two decades ago). But more importantly, the found of Human Rights Watch (HRW) had a comment.

"In reaction to Richard Goldstone's recantation of the United Nations Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict report, HRW Founder Robert Bernstein said to the Jerusalem Post in April 2011, referring to Roth, that it "is time for him to follow Judge Goldstone’s example and issue his own mea culpa." (By JORDANA HORN, JPOST CORRESPONDENT \04/08/2011)
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Former federal prosecutor for the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York and Executive Director of HRW. Kenneth Roth is Jewish, by the way.

(COMMENT)

As for Human Rights Watch (HRW), I generally read what they public, although not always in a timely matter. But I would like to bring you attention to a couple of articles to you.

JUNE 29, 2015
Human Rights Watch Statement to the UN Human Rights Council
Gaza Commission of Inquiry Report

The report rightly condemns Israel, Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups for serious violations of the laws of war, some of which may amount to war crimes. We note the devastating impact of the fighting in Gaza, where 1,462 Palestinian civilians lost their lives, one-third of them children. In Israel, six civilians were killed. The report found that the attacks causing many of these civilian deaths were unlawful.
​

The general theme of HRW has not changed much six year. And the HRW still does not believe that the Islamic Resistance Movement is responsible in any way for the deaths. HRW ignore the Rules 23 and 24 of the Customary and International Humanitarian Law that requires that whenever possible, the Islamic Resistance should not conduct hostile operations from densely populated areas (Human Shielding) and move/evacuate civilians from areas used by the Islamic Resistance to fire on Israel.

AUGUST 6, 2009
Gaza/Israel: Hamas Rocket Attacks on Civilians Unlawful
Launches from Populated Areas Endanger Israelis and Palestinians

(Jerusalem) - Hamas should repudiate unlawful rocket attacks against Israeli population centers and hold those responsible for them to account, Human Rights Watch said in a new report released today. Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups have over several years launched thousands of rockets at Israeli cities and towns, including hundreds during Israel's three-week military offensive in Gaza in December 2008 and January 2009.

View attachment 56563​

AUGUST 6, 2009
Rockets from Gaza
Harm to Civilians from Palestinian Armed Groups’ Rocket Attacks

Since 2001, Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups in Gaza have fired thousands of rockets deliberately or indiscriminately at civilian areas in Israel. Such attacks virtually stopped during a ceasefire that began in June 2008 but escalated in November 2008 after an Israeli military incursion into Gaza.

​

Most Respectfully,
R

Jews that do the right thing are often forced to recant after speaking the truth. Ariel Toaff, another noted Jewish professor was forced to recant a complete historical work. It is somewhat like the Inquisition for Jews that dare speak the truth.

Spouting additional propaganda just further cheapens your contributions, if that is possible. You are just trying (and failing) to defend the indefensible.

On the other hand, One would say that supporting a "Palestinian movement" that is dedicated to the genocide and mass murder of the Jewish people and total destruction of their state from its inception, and labeling palestinian terrorist animals who routinely target civilians as "protected", would be defending the indefensible (and failing).

The vile hatred and racism is strong in this one OB1

Just the facts, Abdul.

You wouldn't know a fact Hymie if it came along and kicked you in the butt!

Though, it is clearly fact that you are a hateful racist! That is an undeniable fact!

 

[Challenger]

Billo_Really, et al,

Well, I have two things to say about this.

[How can you possibly claim they attack the civilian population, when only 28 people have died in 14 years of rocket attacks.

End the occupation and you won't get rockets.

(COMMENT)

At least 1,198 Israelis have been killed by Palestinian since September 29, 2000. (15 years). Just because the effective defense of the Israelis, combined with the ineffective rocket and missile program of the Palestinians, results in a disproportionate casualty rate, does not mean that is was harmless and should be ignored.

The deadly threat to be taken seriously is when the Palestinian failed or aborted attempt to Israeli citizens. Just like other crimes, the attempt consists of both an action and an intention. In attempt to kill Israelis, a Palestinian must take a direct step towards the killing (Launching) and must have the specific intent to kill Israeli (Targeted Israel). The depraved indifference of the Palestinians focuses on the risk to Israeli life created by the Palestinian’s conduct, NOT the casualties actually resulting (numbers are not that important --- the numbers go to "magnitude"). It is the wanton character of the Palestinian, so deficient in a moral sense of concern, so lacking in regard for the life or lives of others, that it constitutes an act that is imminently dangerous and presented a very high risk of death AND an unreasonable threat to the safety and security of the citizens of Israel and the Sovereignty of the State. If you want to know who the Palestinians are, well here it is in a demonstrated form.

One last POINT: In 2005, the IDF began a withdrawal from the Gaza Strip in which the disengagement was completed in September of that year. What did it prove. It proves that the Palestinians cannot be trusted. In 2005 the Palestinians launched over 400 rocket into Israel. After the disengagement, the Palestinians more than doubled the launch effort. (Over the last 15 years, over 15,000 launches were made into Israel.)

NOTE: We have begun to take about the more conventional terrorist approach of Kidnap and Murder. Nor have we talked about the intentional attempts by Palestinian Leaders to incite violence. ​

Most Respectfully,
R

At least 1,198 Israelis have been killed by Palestinian since September 29, 2000. (15 years). Just because the effective defense of the Israelis, combined with the ineffective rocket and missile program of the Palestinians, results in a disproportionate casualty rate, does not mean that is was harmless and should be ignored.

That works out at an average of 80 Israelis killed by Palestinian acts of resistance per year, since September 29, 2000. Over the same period, just for comparative, illustrative purposes, an average of 266 Israelis have been killed by other Israelis on Israel’s roads and an average of 164.96 Israelis have been murdered by other Israelis not in any way related to the conflict.

Looked at objectively, the greatest threat and danger to Israelis are other Israelis; an Israeli is 5 times more likely to be killed by an Israeli than by a Palestinian. This is an indication of the general level of threat posed by Palestinian acts of resistance.

By all means don’t ignore explosive projectiles thrown in your general direction, but let’s keep a sense of proportion here; do those deaths really merit the wholesale slaughter of 9,151 Palestinians by any society that considers itself “civilised”?

The deadly threat to be taken seriously is when the Palestinian failed or aborted attempt to Israeli citizens. Just like other crimes, the attempt consists of both an action and an intention. In attempt to kill Israelis, a Palestinian must take a direct step towards the killing (Launching) and must have the specific intent to kill Israeli (Targeted Israel).

Your hyperbole doesn’t quite cut it. Palestinian resistance fighters launch rockets and mortars in any significant numbers usually only when they’ve been provoked by Zionist actions; usually by aircraft bombings or artillery fire from Israel and especially by “targeted killings”; 238 such murders having occurred in our time period. Sadly, these targeted killings simultaneously managed to kill 408 innocent bystanders, but hey, let’s not worry about the morality, they’re only Palestinians/ ”collateral damage” and Zionist Israel is a Western-style “civilised society”, after all.

It seems, according to your source, RoccoR, when the Palestinian Resistance attempted a targeted killing, they succeeded with no “collateral damage”, seems they’re better at it than the IDF.

The depraved indifference of the Palestinians focuses on the risk to Israeli life created by the Palestinian’s conduct... It is the wanton character of the Palestinian, so deficient in a moral sense of concern, so lacking in regard for the life or lives of others, that it constitutes an act that is imminently dangerous and presented a very high risk of death AND an unreasonable threat to the safety and security of the citizens of Israel and the Sovereignty of the State. If you want to know who the Palestinians are, well here it is in a demonstrated form.

More hyperbole to disguise the fact there’s nothing of substance written here, just an unsubstantiated, opinionated, rant. Disappointing, you used to be better than this.

 

[Roudy]

montelatici, et al,

Well, as for Ken Roth, he really hasn't worked as a real attorney since the early '90s (two decades ago). But more importantly, the found of Human Rights Watch (HRW) had a comment.

"In reaction to Richard Goldstone's recantation of the United Nations Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict report, HRW Founder Robert Bernstein said to the Jerusalem Post in April 2011, referring to Roth, that it "is time for him to follow Judge Goldstone’s example and issue his own mea culpa." (By JORDANA HORN, JPOST CORRESPONDENT \04/08/2011)
​

(COMMENT)

As for Human Rights Watch (HRW), I generally read what they public, although not always in a timely matter. But I would like to bring you attention to a couple of articles to you.

JUNE 29, 2015
Human Rights Watch Statement to the UN Human Rights Council
Gaza Commission of Inquiry Report

The report rightly condemns Israel, Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups for serious violations of the laws of war, some of which may amount to war crimes. We note the devastating impact of the fighting in Gaza, where 1,462 Palestinian civilians lost their lives, one-third of them children. In Israel, six civilians were killed. The report found that the attacks causing many of these civilian deaths were unlawful.
​

The general theme of HRW has not changed much six year. And the HRW still does not believe that the Islamic Resistance Movement is responsible in any way for the deaths. HRW ignore the Rules 23 and 24 of the Customary and International Humanitarian Law that requires that whenever possible, the Islamic Resistance should not conduct hostile operations from densely populated areas (Human Shielding) and move/evacuate civilians from areas used by the Islamic Resistance to fire on Israel.

AUGUST 6, 2009
Gaza/Israel: Hamas Rocket Attacks on Civilians Unlawful
Launches from Populated Areas Endanger Israelis and Palestinians

(Jerusalem) - Hamas should repudiate unlawful rocket attacks against Israeli population centers and hold those responsible for them to account, Human Rights Watch said in a new report released today. Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups have over several years launched thousands of rockets at Israeli cities and towns, including hundreds during Israel's three-week military offensive in Gaza in December 2008 and January 2009.

View attachment 56563​

AUGUST 6, 2009
Rockets from Gaza
Harm to Civilians from Palestinian Armed Groups’ Rocket Attacks

Since 2001, Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups in Gaza have fired thousands of rockets deliberately or indiscriminately at civilian areas in Israel. Such attacks virtually stopped during a ceasefire that began in June 2008 but escalated in November 2008 after an Israeli military incursion into Gaza.

​

Most Respectfully,
R

Jews that do the right thing are often forced to recant after speaking the truth. Ariel Toaff, another noted Jewish professor was forced to recant a complete historical work. It is somewhat like the Inquisition for Jews that dare speak the truth.

Spouting additional propaganda just further cheapens your contributions, if that is possible. You are just trying (and failing) to defend the indefensible.

On the other hand, One would say that supporting a "Palestinian movement" that is dedicated to the genocide and mass murder of the Jewish people and total destruction of their state from its inception, and labeling palestinian terrorist animals who routinely target civilians as "protected", would be defending the indefensible (and failing).

The vile hatred and racism is strong in this one OB1

Just the facts, Abdul.

You wouldn't know a fact Hymie if it came along and kicked you in the butt!

Though, it is clearly fact that you are a hateful racist! That is an undeniable fact!

Said the antisemite who thinks Palestinian terrorist animals who target Israeli civilians have a "protected" status.

 

[Challenger]

Hamas usage of human shields is a well established and proven fact.

No it isn't. the only well established and proven fact is that the IDF are the ones that routinely and systematically use human shields. Israeli High Court: Israeli Soldiers Used Palestinians as Human Shields 1,200 Times Washington's Blog

 

[Roudy]

Hamas usage of human shields is a well established and proven fact.

No it isn't. the only well established and proven fact is that the IDF are the ones that routinely and systematically use human shields. Israeli High Court: Israeli Soldiers Used Palestinians as Human Shields 1,200 Times Washington's Blog

Well if "Washington's Bullshit Blog" said it, then by golly it must be true!

and now, time for some truth:

http://nypost.com/2015/05/02/un-report-outlines-how-hamas-used-kids-as-human-shields/

Hamas DID use schools and hospitals in Gaza Strip as 'human shields'

http://nypost.com/2014/08/05/hamas-manual-details-civilian-death-plan-israel/

 

[montelatici]

You are hilarious.

The UN reports are about the empty schools (closed for the summer) used to store arms. The usual propaganda by the Zionist owned American press. There were no kids to be used as human shields. The rest is Zionist propaganda.

Give it up.

 

[Hollie]

You are hilarious.

The UN reports are about the empty schools (closed for the summer) used to store arms. The usual propaganda by the Zionist owned American press. There were no kids to be used as human shields. The rest is Zionist propaganda.

Give it up.

You're a hoot.


Explosive: UN admits Palestinians fired rockets from UNRWA schools « View from Geneva

• Hamas and/or Islamic Jihad stored rockets in schools that were in active use by children. During the war, former PLO lawyer Diana Buttu famously said on Al Jazeera that “the rockets that were found in the schools in UNRWA were schools that are not being used by anybody—school is out, I’ll have you know.” However, in the UNRWA Gaza Beach Elementary Co-educational “B” School, on 16 July 2014, the UN Board of Inquiry notes that the school gate was unlocked during the period leading up to the incident “in order to allow children access to the schoolyard.” School was out, but UNRWA was inviting the children back in to play.

Yet more confirmation that your cowardly Islamic terrorist heroes hide behind civilians.

 

[RoccoR]

montelatici, et al,

Sya and think what you will.

Jews that do the right thing are often forced to recant after speaking the truth. Ariel Toaff, another noted Jewish professor was forced to recant a complete historical work. It is somewhat like the Inquisition for Jews that dare speak the truth.

Spouting additional propaganda just further cheapens your contributions, if that is possible. You are just trying (and failing) to defend the indefensible.

(COMMENT)

It is not proaganda when the founder of the HRW says something different.

Both are perspectives. People get to choose.

Most Respectfully,
R