Israel does not target civilians?

[Roudy]

So you think Israel has a legal obligation to go easy on Palestinian terrorist jihadi animals?

Link?

Occupiers have a legal obligation to protect the occupied.

Yeah? And how is Israel occupying Gaza, lightbulb?

The International Court of Justice determined that Gaza is occupied by Israel for a number of legal reasons:

Israel maintains full authority over the right to enter and exit from Gaza’s territorial waters and over the extent of these waters ;

Israel exercises total control over Gaza airspace ;

Israel controls the supply of essential products and services such as electricity, fuel, telecommunication frequencies, water…;

Israel controls the population registry of Gaza inhabitants (thus allowing it to decide who qualifies for residency status) ;

Israel collects the taxes owed to the Gaza authorities ;

Israel imposes a terrestrial no-go (or “buffer”) zone over an area representing approximately 17 % of the Strip’s territory.

Israel can and has re-occupied Gaza militarily on several occasions since removing settlements.

Not at all relevant to the topic.

 

[montelatici]

So you think Israel has a legal obligation to go easy on Palestinian terrorist jihadi animals?

Link?

Occupiers have a legal obligation to protect the occupied.

Yeah? And how is Israel occupying Gaza, lightbulb?

The International Court of Justice determined that Gaza is occupied by Israel for a number of legal reasons:

Israel maintains full authority over the right to enter and exit from Gaza’s territorial waters and over the extent of these waters ;

Israel exercises total control over Gaza airspace ;

Israel controls the supply of essential products and services such as electricity, fuel, telecommunication frequencies, water…;

Israel controls the population registry of Gaza inhabitants (thus allowing it to decide who qualifies for residency status) ;

Israel collects the taxes owed to the Gaza authorities ;

Israel imposes a terrestrial no-go (or “buffer”) zone over an area representing approximately 17 % of the Strip’s territory.

Israel can and has re-occupied Gaza militarily on several occasions since removing settlements.

what are you talking about? Gaza is ruled by a terrorist organization, there is no Israeli occupation. The blockade has been deemed legal by the UN. Hamas terrorists are attacking Israeli civilians in unprovoked acts of savagery not unlike ISIS. They have no respect for their own civilian life. These animals don't deserve anything but the hammer of brave IDF. Case closed.

The law is the law.

 

[P F Tinmore]

34 pages and still nothing to indicate that Israel targets Pal'istanian civilians.

The Palestine people do not have a military... Thus, every death is a civilian death!

"The Palestinian people do not have a military, so the usual classification of civilian is not being used. Instead B'Tselem provides data on the number of Palestinians who did not participate in hostilities, a significantly more stringent qualification than the one used to identify Israeli civilians. We do not know how many of the Israelis listed as civilians participated in the hostilities. Many settlers who illegally have taken over parts of the West Bank (and used to live in parts of the Gaza Strip) are heavily armed and there have been numerous reports of their brutal attacks on their Palestinian neighbors."

Israelis and Palestinians Killed since 9/29/2000

So what you're saying is when Hamas attacks women and kids in a pizzeria they aren't actually civilians, the random stabbings in Jerusalem aren't civilians, suicide bombings on school buses aren't civilians, or when they point their rockets at Israeli population centers, they aren't civilians either.

Right.

And Israel has a "legal occupation" to go easy on these animals? DREAM ON.

The law is the law. A belligerant occupier has a legal duty to protect the people whose land it occupies. The world, in general, has decided that invasion and occupation are not good things, so it has fashioned laws to make belligerent occupation a burden on the occupier. In the hope the occupier will get the hell out of the territory it is occupying.

Furthermore, per various UN Resolutions, occupied or people under colonial rule have the right to use any means, including armed resistance to secure their freedom.

This pamphlet published by ICRC, is very useful.

ICRC service

Great link, thanks.

 

[Roudy]

So you think Israel has a legal obligation to go easy on Palestinian terrorist jihadi animals?

Link?

Occupiers have a legal obligation to protect the occupied.

Yeah? And how is Israel occupying Gaza, lightbulb?

The International Court of Justice determined that Gaza is occupied by Israel for a number of legal reasons:

Israel maintains full authority over the right to enter and exit from Gaza’s territorial waters and over the extent of these waters ;

Israel exercises total control over Gaza airspace ;

Israel controls the supply of essential products and services such as electricity, fuel, telecommunication frequencies, water…;

Israel controls the population registry of Gaza inhabitants (thus allowing it to decide who qualifies for residency status) ;

Israel collects the taxes owed to the Gaza authorities ;

Israel imposes a terrestrial no-go (or “buffer”) zone over an area representing approximately 17 % of the Strip’s territory.

Israel can and has re-occupied Gaza militarily on several occasions since removing settlements.

what are you talking about? Gaza is ruled by a terrorist organization, there is no Israeli occupation. The blockade has been deemed legal by the UN. Hamas terrorists are attacking Israeli civilians in unprovoked acts of savagery not unlike ISIS. They have no respect for their own civilian life. These animals don't deserve anything but the hammer of brave IDF. Case closed.

The law is the law.

That wasn't the "law", it was an irrelevant Red Cross guide which actually, condemned the Palestinians for not clearly signifying themselves as civilians while attacking Israeli civilians, under circumstances where Israel isn't even occupying Gaza.

 

[Humanity]

Does not apply to Israel

So, Israel is the only country that is exempt from international law....

There's a surprise...

Well, they have been allowed to get away with it for decades, so, I guess you must be right roodboy! That's the zionut mentality and the fault of the international community for treating Israel with kid gloves. After all Israel is there for those poor, long suffering Jews isn't it!

Oh and whilst we are at it... Looking at Gaza in isolation to the rest of the Palestinians is just dumb!

 

[Rehmani]

...Then why not, jews stuck around Telaviv in Israel. Why jews invade home land of Palestinian.

Off topic.

But it does not make any difference... the Jews own the place now... time for your people to leave.

Off topic.

Israel is killing civilian. Are you blind.

 

[Rehmani]

You can not call freedom fighter terrorist but invaders are terrorist.

ISIS and Al Queda also call their terrorists freedom or resistance fighters. To the rest of the world, however, they're Islamic terrorist animals, as are the Hamas fighters.

Link!

LOL! It wants a link that ISIS doesn't call it's fighters "terrorists". Terrorist groups like ISIS and Hamas are all about glamorizing terrorism. If you don't know this basic fact then you aren't living on the same planet.

Even Israel glamorizes its terrorism by calling it self defense.

You can't commit terrorism against Israelis and then complain when Israel drops the hammer on the terrorists. Like I said if you don't want civilian casualties to occur, stop attacking Israeli civilians and then complain about civilian casualties when the terrorists hide behind civilians.

Then very simple, Israel should leave holy land which is belong to Palestinian. No complain.

 

[Rehmani]

Conspiracy theories aren't going to help your failed arguments.

BTW, in the relevant first world, we don't accept Islamic terrorist acts of war as defending anything.

You can not call freedom fighter terrorist but invaders are terrorist.

ISIS and Al Queda also call their terrorists freedom or resistance fighters. To the rest of the world, however, they're Islamic terrorist animals, as are the Hamas fighters.

Link!

LOL! It wants a link that ISIS doesn't call it's fighters "terrorists". Terrorist groups like ISIS and Hamas are all about glamorizing terrorism. If you don't know this basic fact then you aren't living on the same planet.

Even Israel glamorizes its terrorism by calling it self defense.

Terrorist Israelis calling themselves civilized, how cruel.

 

[Rehmani]

You can not call freedom fighter terrorist but invaders are terrorist.

ISIS and Al Queda also call their terrorists freedom or resistance fighters. To the rest of the world, however, they're Islamic terrorist animals, as are the Hamas fighters.

Link!

LOL! It wants a link that ISIS doesn't call it's fighters "terrorists". Terrorist groups like ISIS and Hamas are all about glamorizing terrorism. If you don't know this basic fact then you aren't living on the same planet.

LOL... It can spout whatever it wants but it cannot provide a link to support its dross!

That's a big fat fail roodboy!

But, in the act of fairness, I will try again and see if you can provide a link....

"ISIS and Al Queda also call their terrorists freedom or resistance fighters."

LINK!

Yes, you ignoramus, all of these Islamic terrorist groups, Hamas, Al Queda, ISIS, Hezbollah, etc. consider themselves "Islamic resistance movements" in fact that is the literal translation for Hamas, therefore their fighters are considered resistant fighters fighting for freedom for Muslims (although it's freedom to practice Shariah in a fully Islamic caliphate that is). I feel like I'm talking to a teenager with zero knowledge.

How stupid. Can't you see most of these groups you mentioned, because of israeli terrorism.

 

[Rehmani]

ISIS and Al Queda also call their terrorists freedom or resistance fighters. To the rest of the world, however, they're Islamic terrorist animals, as are the Hamas fighters.

Link!

LOL! It wants a link that ISIS doesn't call it's fighters "terrorists". Terrorist groups like ISIS and Hamas are all about glamorizing terrorism. If you don't know this basic fact then you aren't living on the same planet.

LOL... It can spout whatever it wants but it cannot provide a link to support its dross!

That's a big fat fail roodboy!

But, in the act of fairness, I will try again and see if you can provide a link....

"ISIS and Al Queda also call their terrorists freedom or resistance fighters."

LINK!

Even the leader of Hamas called Osama Bin Laden a holy warrior and freedom fighter. Case closed.

Link!

You can not call freedom fighter terrorist but invaders are terrorist.

ISIS and Al Queda also call their terrorists freedom or resistance fighters. To the rest of the world, however, they're Islamic terrorist animals, as are the Hamas fighters.

Link!

LOL! It wants a link that ISIS doesn't call it's fighters "terrorists". Terrorist groups like ISIS and Hamas are all about glamorizing terrorism. If you don't know this basic fact then you aren't living on the same planet.

LOL... It can spout whatever it wants but it cannot provide a link to support its dross!

That's a big fat fail roodboy!

But, in the act of fairness, I will try again and see if you can provide a link....

"ISIS and Al Queda also call their terrorists freedom or resistance fighters."

LINK!

Even the leader of Hamas called Osama Bin Laden a holy warrior and freedom fighter. Case closed.

Well, then all these groups formed because of Israelis aggression against innocent palestinian. Why don't you accept this fact.

 

[Kondor3]

...Then why not, jews stuck around Telaviv in Israel. Why jews invade home land of Palestinian.

Off topic.

But it does not make any difference... the Jews own the place now... time for your people to leave.

Off topic.

Israel is killing civilian. Are you blind.

The question at-hand is whether Israel INTENTIONALLY TARGETS civilians, not whether they're killing them.

When Hamas embeds its war-assets amongst its civilian population, hiding behind the skirts of its women and children like cowards, casualties are inevitable.

 

[Rehmani]

The blockade was to punish Gazans for not voting for Israel's ***** (Fatah), in their elections.

BTW, defending your home from foreign aggression, is not terrorism.

Conspiracy theories aren't going to help your failed arguments.

BTW, in the relevant first world, we don't accept Islamic terrorist acts of war as defending anything.

You can not call freedom fighter terrorist but invaders are terrorist.

ISIS and Al Queda also call their terrorists freedom or resistance fighters. To the rest of the world, however, they're Islamic terrorist animals, as are the Hamas fighters.

Link!

LOL! It wants a link that ISIS doesn't call it's fighters "terrorists". Terrorist groups like ISIS and Hamas are all about glamorizing terrorism. If you don't know this basic fact then you aren't living on the same planet.

But mostly groups formed, israel is responsible.

 

[Rehmani]

The blockade was a requirement to prevent Pal'istanian islamic terrorist attacks. The Islamic retrogrades were committing acts of war. That caused Israel to respond. You seem to believe your Islamic retrograde heroes have an entitlement to acts of Islamic terrorism. Israel believes otherwise, hence the Islamic retrogrades are throttled.

The blockade was to punish Gazans for not voting for Israel's ***** (Fatah), in their elections.

BTW, defending your home from foreign aggression, is not terrorism.

Conspiracy theories aren't going to help your failed arguments.

BTW, in the relevant first world, we don't accept Islamic terrorist acts of war as defending anything.

You can not call freedom fighter terrorist but invaders are terrorist.

ISIS and Al Queda also call their terrorists freedom or resistance fighters. To the rest of the world, however, they're Islamic terrorist animals, as are the Hamas fighters.

Link!

They don't have truth. they are making falls story to change the historical facts.

 

[Rehmani]

The blockade was a requirement to prevent Pal'istanian islamic terrorist attacks. The Islamic retrogrades were committing acts of war. That caused Israel to respond. You seem to believe your Islamic retrograde heroes have an entitlement to acts of Islamic terrorism. Israel believes otherwise, hence the Islamic retrogrades are throttled.

The blockade was to punish Gazans for not voting for Israel's ***** (Fatah), in their elections.

BTW, defending your home from foreign aggression, is not terrorism.

Conspiracy theories aren't going to help your failed arguments.

BTW, in the relevant first world, we don't accept Islamic terrorist acts of war as defending anything.

You can not call freedom fighter terrorist but invaders are terrorist.

ISIS and Al Queda also call their terrorists freedom or resistance fighters. To the rest of the world, however, they're Islamic terrorist animals, as are the Hamas fighters.

Or may be they are jew too, using Islamic ID. As world know that jew population a lot higher then 13 million.

 

[Rehmani]

Rehmani, et al,

Yes, like the idea of colonization, this idea of invasion is also bent to fit the profile of a victim; as if it were true.

The blockade was a requirement to prevent Pal'istanian islamic terrorist attacks. The Islamic retrogrades were committing acts of war. That caused Israel to respond. You seem to believe your Islamic retrograde heroes have an entitlement to acts of Islamic terrorism. Israel believes otherwise, hence the Islamic retrogrades are throttled.

The blockade was to punish Gazans for not voting for Israel's ***** (Fatah), in their elections.

BTW, defending your home from foreign aggression, is not terrorism.

Conspiracy theories aren't going to help your failed arguments.

BTW, in the relevant first world, we don't accept Islamic terrorist acts of war as defending anything.

You can not call freedom fighter terrorist but invaders are terrorist.

(COMMENT)

After the Unconditional surrender of the Ottoman Empire (1916); the territory was placed under the Enemy Occupied Territory Administration; in which the Allied Powers assumed control. After that point, there was no naval operation where landing craft lined-up and brought-in a military force to conquer an opposing force. Similarly, there were no further ground invasion. It was all allied controlled.

The entire concept that anyone that entered the country was an "invader" in the eyes of the Arab, was totally erroneous. The Arabs had not been given control of any territory. You can not be invaded if you have nothing to invade. North of the Kingdom of Hejaz (Hashemite royal family rule); and North of the central plateau known as the Najd (later to be known as the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia --- House of Saud is the ruling royal family), there were no Arab sovereignties.

So, anything the Allied Powers did, to include opening immigration, was well within there authority.

Freedom Fighters are separate and distinct from terrorist. If you are a heroic Freedom Fighter, there were marks of chivalry associated with the campaign. The HoAP which deliberately attempt, kidnap, murder and maim civilians as the Palestinians openly admit to, are terrorists. (Turkey hereby renounces all rights and title whatsoever over or respecting the territories situated outside the frontiers laid down in the present Treaty and the islands other than those over which her sovereignty is recognised by the said Treaty, the future of these territories and islands being settled or to be settled by the parties concerned.)

Most Respectfully,
R

Roccor, you can not change the facts and figure and history of indigenous people of Palestine, just because of one century invasion by the invader and then change the face of invader give birth of Israel. Just a forced and illegal invasion.

 

[Rehmani]

Billo_Really, Hollie, et al,

Oh Billo_Really, --- our friend "Hollie" is on target with her two commentaries.

The blockade was a requirement to prevent Pal'istanian islamic terrorist attacks. The Islamic retrogrades were committing acts of war. That caused Israel to respond. You seem to believe your Islamic retrograde heroes have an entitlement to acts of Islamic terrorism. Israel believes otherwise, hence the Islamic retrogrades are throttled.

The blockade was to punish Gazans for not voting for Israel's ***** (Fatah), in their elections.
BTW, defending your home from foreign aggression, is not terrorism.

Conspiracy theories aren't going to help your failed arguments.
BTW, in the relevant first worked, we don't accept Islamic terrorist acts of war as defending anything.

(COMMENT)

On the matter of terrorism as a means of defense, "Hollie" is correct! As UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon’s said: "Nothing can justify terrorism — ever. No grievance, no goal, no cause can excuse terrorist acts." When the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAPs) attempt, though deadly asymmetric means, to intimidate or coerce the Israeli civilian population as a strategy to bend Israeli National policy to the will of the Palestinian --- that is terrorism. To attack the civilian population to affect or influence the conduct of the Israeli government --- that is terrorism. Noting that terrorist attacks by means of bombs, explosives or other incendiary or lethal devices have become increasingly widespread, and stressing the need to supplement the existing legal instruments in order to address specifically the problem of terrorist attacks carried out by such means, is illegal (A/RES/51/210. Measures to eliminate international terrorism).

Remembering that: UN Security Council Resolution S/RES/1624 (2005)

Calls upon all States to adopt such measures as may be necessary and appropriate and in accordance with their obligations under international law to:

(a) Prohibit by law incitement to commit a terrorist act or acts;
(b) Prevent such conduct;
(c) Deny safe haven to any persons with respect to whom there is credible and relevant information giving serious reasons for considering that they have been guilty of such conduct;
​

Calls upon all States to cooperate, inter alia, to strengthen the security of their international borders, including by combating fraudulent travel documents and, to the extent attainable, by enhancing terrorist screening and passenger security procedures with a view to preventing those guilty of the conduct in paragraph 1 (a) from entering their territory;
Calls upon all States to continue international efforts to enhance dialogue and broaden understanding among civilizations, in an effort to prevent the indiscriminate targeting of different religions and cultures, and to take all measures as may be necessary and appropriate and in accordance with their obligations under international law to counter incitement of terrorist acts motivated by extremism and intolerance and to prevent the subversion of educational, cultural, and religious institutions by terrorists and their supporters;​

There is absolutely no legal basis for the use of terrorism to in the false justification you present.

On the matter of the blockade as a punishment "Gazans for not voting for Israel's ***** (Fatah), in their elections." This is entirely false. It was a propaganda effort by the HoAP to filter the truth and redirect the dialog in a different direction. Between 2005 (the Unilateral Withdrawal from Gaza) and 2009 (establishment of the Blockade); the Islamic Resistance Movement launched some 7300 missiles and rockets into Israel. After the Blockade is instituted, in concert with strengthened border controls (per UNSC Res 1624), the number of missile and rocket attacks dramatically dropped.

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Our friend "Hollie's" observations were on track. The institution of the Blockade had nothing what-so-ever to do with political punishment. Yes, there was grave disappointment that the Palestinian People voted in a Terrorist organization into a leadership role. After January 2006, there was a sharp increase in rocket and missile attacks; doubling from the 2005 level to the 2006. The number of launches again doubled in 2007 by the 2006 levels. And as you can see from the chart, there was a significant increase in launches in the year 2008 over the year 2007. BUT, in January 2009, the Blockade is activated and the number of launches decrease by over 75%.

Of course the Blockade was not a perfect solution, but it was fairly effective as a single countermeasure to the infiltration of weapons; complementing well other security countermeasures that were instituted that year.

Most Respectfully,
R

Your many pages commentary, can't change the facts and figure of indigenous palestinian people rigths they have over holy land.

 

[montelatici]

...Then why not, jews stuck around Telaviv in Israel. Why jews invade home land of Palestinian.

Off topic.

But it does not make any difference... the Jews own the place now... time for your people to leave.

Off topic.

Israel is killing civilian. Are you blind.

The question at-hand is whether Israel INTENTIONALLY TARGETS civilians, not whether they're killing them.

When Hamas embeds its war-assets amongst its civilian population, hiding behind the skirts of its women and children like cowards, casualties are inevitable.

Hamas does not hide "behind the skirts of it woamen and children". It is Zionist propaganda. The cowards are the Israelis, that intentional bomb residential apartment buildings housing women and children or schools, killing women and children by the thousands. Israel intentionally bombs civilians no amount of projection and propaganda mongering can change the facts as presented by the UN or various NGOs and human rights organizations.

"Well, you know, despite the Israeli ambassador’s claim that Israel deserves the Nobel Peace Prize for its extraordinary restraint and its extraordinary care to spare civilian lives, Human Rights Watch has seen from the ground, based on our investigations in Gaza, that that’s anything but the case. And no matter how many times the Israeli military spokesmen scream, "Human shields! Human shields!" most of the people being killed in Gaza are being killed because Israel is paying insufficient care to saving civilian lives. There’s been case after case in which Israel has used the wrong weaponry or has shot at people with many civilians around. And these, in our view, are war crimes."

Kenneth Roth

Former federal prosecutor for the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York and Executive Director of HRW. Kenneth Roth is Jewish, by the way.

 

[Roudy]

Does not apply to Israel

So, Israel is the only country that is exempt from international law....

There's a surprise...

Well, they have been allowed to get away with it for decades, so, I guess you must be right roodboy! That's the zionut mentality and the fault of the international community for treating Israel with kid gloves. After all Israel is there for those poor, long suffering Jews isn't it!

Oh and whilst we are at it... Looking at Gaza in isolation to the rest of the Palestinians is just dumb!

It's a friggin Red Cross manual. It isn't international law. And it doesn't apply because there is no "belligerent occupation" in Gaza, in fact there is no occupation at all. There is a blockade which has been deemed legal by the UN. If anything Hamas are the biggest violators of international law.

The terror and loss of civilian life on both sides is less in the West Bank because it isn't ruled by an Islamic terrorist organization committed to the destruction of Israel as Gaza is.

 

[Roudy]

...Then why not, jews stuck around Telaviv in Israel. Why jews invade home land of Palestinian.

Off topic.

But it does not make any difference... the Jews own the place now... time for your people to leave.

Off topic.

Israel is killing civilian. Are you blind.

The question at-hand is whether Israel INTENTIONALLY TARGETS civilians, not whether they're killing them.

When Hamas embeds its war-assets amongst its civilian population, hiding behind the skirts of its women and children like cowards, casualties are inevitable.

Hamas does not hide "behind the skirts of it woamen and children". It is Zionist propaganda. The cowards are the Israelis, that intentional bomb residential apartment buildings housing women and children or schools, killing women and children by the thousands. Israel intentionally bombs civilians no amount of projection and propaganda mongering can change the facts as presented by the UN or various NGOs and human rights organizations.

"Well, you know, despite the Israeli ambassador’s claim that Israel deserves the Nobel Peace Prize for its extraordinary restraint and its extraordinary care to spare civilian lives, Human Rights Watch has seen from the ground, based on our investigations in Gaza, that that’s anything but the case. And no matter how many times the Israeli military spokesmen scream, "Human shields! Human shields!" most of the people being killed in Gaza are being killed because Israel is paying insufficient care to saving civilian lives. There’s been case after case in which Israel has used the wrong weaponry or has shot at people with many civilians around. And these, in our view, are war crimes."

Kenneth Roth

Former federal prosecutor for the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York and Executive Director of HRW. Kenneth Roth is Jewish, by the way.

Hamas usage of human shields is a well established and proven fact. Their cowardice knows no bounds.

 

[Humanity]

Does not apply to Israel

So, Israel is the only country that is exempt from international law....

There's a surprise...

Well, they have been allowed to get away with it for decades, so, I guess you must be right roodboy! That's the zionut mentality and the fault of the international community for treating Israel with kid gloves. After all Israel is there for those poor, long suffering Jews isn't it!

Oh and whilst we are at it... Looking at Gaza in isolation to the rest of the Palestinians is just dumb!

It's a friggin Red Cross manual. It isn't international law. And it doesn't apply because there is no "belligerent occupation" in Gaza, in fact there is no occupation at all. There is a blockade which has been deemed legal by the UN. If anything Hamas are the biggest violators of international law.

The terror and loss of civilian life on both sides is less in the West Bank because it isn't ruled by an Islamic terrorist organization committed to the destruction of Israel as Gaza is.

The United Nations Security Council, the United Nations General Assembly, some countries and human rights organisations disagree with you roodboy...

Israel retains control of Gaza's airspace and coastline that, according to UNSC and UNGC, is "occupation"...