Israel does not target civilians?

[Roudy]

Israel, as the occupying power, has a legal responsibility to protect the civilians of occupied land, that includes territory that Israel controls....

Strange as that may seem, it does NOT give Israel the right to bomb civilians, no matter what their fabled 'objectives'....

Really, so you think Palestinian animals have a right to slaughter Isrseli civilians but Isrselis have a legal responsibility not to defend themselves according to how they see fit? Ha ha ha. Typical terrorist appeaser mindset.

English comprehension not your strong point is it roodboy!

Read my post and have another try...

I did. You talk about civilian casualties but fail to focus on the Palestinians who constantly target civilians. Do you think they have a legal right to target Israeli civilians like the ISIS savages do in the West? Oh but wait, Israel cannot respond. Ha ha ha. Good one.

You read it??!! Wow...

Shame you weren't able to process it and give a sensible answer based upon my post, rather choosing to throw out your usual, brainwashed zionut BS!

It's not BS it's the truth. You guys constantly complain about "Palestinian civilian deaths" while the Palestinians themselves are constantly committing terrorist acts against Israeli civilians. And you think Israel has a "legal obligation" to go easy on the Palestinian terrorist animals who are no different than ISIS terrorist animals, in their ideology and the atrocities they commit.

The Palestinians themselves are to blame for their own civilian casualties. Not the Israelis who are simply defending themselves against the savages who attack Isrselis, and then use their own people as human shields.

Get it? Got it? Good.

 

[Roudy]

34 pages and still nothing to indicate that Israel targets Pal'istanian civilians.

The Palestine people do not have a military... Thus, every death is a civilian death!

"The Palestinian people do not have a military, so the usual classification of civilian is not being used. Instead B'Tselem provides data on the number of Palestinians who did not participate in hostilities, a significantly more stringent qualification than the one used to identify Israeli civilians. We do not know how many of the Israelis listed as civilians participated in the hostilities. Many settlers who illegally have taken over parts of the West Bank (and used to live in parts of the Gaza Strip) are heavily armed and there have been numerous reports of their brutal attacks on their Palestinian neighbors."

Israelis and Palestinians Killed since 9/29/2000

That's actually pretty silly as Hamas has a "military wing".

Pass that on to the folks at the internet tabloid "if Americans knew"

So, now 35 pages and still no indication that Israel targets civilians.

The vast majority of people Israel kills are civilians. They don't target civilians. This just happens because they are stupid.

IDF=Israeli Doofus Force.

That's your claim, it's actually not true at all. Israel goes out of its way not to take innocent life, but there's only so much it can do when the Hamas animals are so depraved they don't care about their own people.

 

[Roudy]

34 pages and still nothing to indicate that Israel targets Pal'istanian civilians.

The Palestine people do not have a military... Thus, every death is a civilian death!

"The Palestinian people do not have a military, so the usual classification of civilian is not being used. Instead B'Tselem provides data on the number of Palestinians who did not participate in hostilities, a significantly more stringent qualification than the one used to identify Israeli civilians. We do not know how many of the Israelis listed as civilians participated in the hostilities. Many settlers who illegally have taken over parts of the West Bank (and used to live in parts of the Gaza Strip) are heavily armed and there have been numerous reports of their brutal attacks on their Palestinian neighbors."

Israelis and Palestinians Killed since 9/29/2000

So what you're saying is when Hamas attacks women and kids in a pizzeria they aren't actually civilians, the random stabbings in Jerusalem aren't civilians, suicide bombings on school buses aren't civilians, or when they point their rockets at Israeli population centers, they aren't civilians either.

Right.

And Israel has a "legal occupation" to go easy on these animals? DREAM ON.

 

[Kondor3]

...Then why not, jews stuck around Telaviv in Israel. Why jews invade home land of Palestinian.

Off topic.

But it does not make any difference... the Jews own the place now... time for your people to leave.

 

[Humanity]

Israel, as the occupying power, has a legal responsibility to protect the civilians of occupied land, that includes territory that Israel controls....

Strange as that may seem, it does NOT give Israel the right to bomb civilians, no matter what their fabled 'objectives'....

Really, so you think Palestinian animals have a right to slaughter Isrseli civilians but Isrselis have a legal responsibility not to defend themselves according to how they see fit? Ha ha ha. Typical terrorist appeaser mindset.

English comprehension not your strong point is it roodboy!

Read my post and have another try...

I did. You talk about civilian casualties but fail to focus on the Palestinians who constantly target civilians. Do you think they have a legal right to target Israeli civilians like the ISIS savages do in the West? Oh but wait, Israel cannot respond. Ha ha ha. Good one.

You read it??!! Wow...

Shame you weren't able to process it and give a sensible answer based upon my post, rather choosing to throw out your usual, brainwashed zionut BS!

It's not BS it's the truth. You guys constantly complain about "Palestinian civilian deaths" while the Palestinians themselves are constantly committing terrorist acts against Israeli civilians. And you think Israel has a "legal obligation" to go easy on the Palestinian terrorist animals who are no different than ISIS terrorist animals, in their ideology and the atrocities they commit.

The Palestinians themselves are to blame for their own civilian casualties. Not the Israelis who are simply defending themselves against the savages who attack Isrselis, and then use their own people as human shields.

Get it? Got it? Good.

International law maybe BS in your zionut world roodboy, wouldn't expect anything else, and certainly not from you.... But in the civilised world, it makes sense!

Israel does have a "legal obligation", as the occupier, as the oppressor, to protect the civilians that they occupy and oppress...

Just the way it is...

Don't like it? Tough!

 

[Humanity]

34 pages and still nothing to indicate that Israel targets Pal'istanian civilians.

The Palestine people do not have a military... Thus, every death is a civilian death!

"The Palestinian people do not have a military, so the usual classification of civilian is not being used. Instead B'Tselem provides data on the number of Palestinians who did not participate in hostilities, a significantly more stringent qualification than the one used to identify Israeli civilians. We do not know how many of the Israelis listed as civilians participated in the hostilities. Many settlers who illegally have taken over parts of the West Bank (and used to live in parts of the Gaza Strip) are heavily armed and there have been numerous reports of their brutal attacks on their Palestinian neighbors."

Israelis and Palestinians Killed since 9/29/2000

So what you're saying is when Hamas attacks women and kids in a pizzeria they aren't actually civilians, the random stabbings in Jerusalem aren't civilians, suicide bombings on school buses aren't civilians, or when they point their rockets at Israeli population centers, they aren't civilians either.

Right.

And Israel has a "legal occupation" to go easy on these animals? DREAM ON.

Come back and reply when you learn to read!

Until then you can drown in your own zionut BS and live in the 'wonderland' that Israel is 'untouchable'...

That's what the Romans, Ottomans and on and on thought.... Look what happened to them!

 

[montelatici]

34 pages and still nothing to indicate that Israel targets Pal'istanian civilians.

The Palestine people do not have a military... Thus, every death is a civilian death!

"The Palestinian people do not have a military, so the usual classification of civilian is not being used. Instead B'Tselem provides data on the number of Palestinians who did not participate in hostilities, a significantly more stringent qualification than the one used to identify Israeli civilians. We do not know how many of the Israelis listed as civilians participated in the hostilities. Many settlers who illegally have taken over parts of the West Bank (and used to live in parts of the Gaza Strip) are heavily armed and there have been numerous reports of their brutal attacks on their Palestinian neighbors."

Israelis and Palestinians Killed since 9/29/2000

So what you're saying is when Hamas attacks women and kids in a pizzeria they aren't actually civilians, the random stabbings in Jerusalem aren't civilians, suicide bombings on school buses aren't civilians, or when they point their rockets at Israeli population centers, they aren't civilians either.

Right.

And Israel has a "legal occupation" to go easy on these animals? DREAM ON.

The law is the law. A belligerant occupier has a legal duty to protect the people whose land it occupies. The world, in general, has decided that invasion and occupation are not good things, so it has fashioned laws to make belligerent occupation a burden on the occupier. In the hope the occupier will get the hell out of the territory it is occupying.

Furthermore, per various UN Resolutions, occupied or people under colonial rule have the right to use any means, including armed resistance to secure their freedom.

This pamphlet published by ICRC, is very useful.

ICRC service

 

[Billo_Really]

Billo_Really, et al,

Well, I have two things to say about this.

[How can you possibly claim they attack the civilian population, when only 28 people have died in 14 years of rocket attacks.

End the occupation and you won't get rockets.

(COMMENT)

At least 1,198 Israelis have been killed by Palestinian since September 29, 2000. (15 years). Just because the effective defense of the Israelis, combined with the ineffective rocket and missile program of the Palestinians, results in a disproportionate casualty rate, does not mean that is was harmless and should be ignored.

The deadly threat to be taken seriously is when the Palestinian failed or aborted attempt to Israeli citizens. Just like other crimes, the attempt consists of both an action and an intention. In attempt to kill Israelis, a Palestinian must take a direct step towards the killing (Launching) and must have the specific intent to kill Israeli (Targeted Israel). The depraved indifference of the Palestinians focuses on the risk to Israeli life created by the Palestinian’s conduct, NOT the casualties actually resulting (numbers are not that important --- the numbers go to "magnitude"). It is the wanton character of the Palestinian, so deficient in a moral sense of concern, so lacking in regard for the life or lives of others, that it constitutes an act that is imminently dangerous and presented a very high risk of death AND an unreasonable threat to the safety and security of the citizens of Israel and the Sovereignty of the State. If you want to know who the Palestinians are, well here it is in a demonstrated form.

One last POINT: In 2005, the IDF began a withdrawal from the Gaza Strip in which the disengagement was completed in September of that year. What did it prove. It proves that the Palestinians cannot be trusted. In 2005 the Palestinians launched over 400 rocket into Israel. After the disengagement, the Palestinians more than doubled the launch effort. (Over the last 15 years, over 15,000 launches were made into Israel.)

NOTE: We have begun to take about the more conventional terrorist approach of Kidnap and Murder. Nor have we talked about the intentional attempts by Palestinian Leaders to incite violence. ​

Most Respectfully,
R

I was wrong about only 28 people dying due to rocket fire.

It was only 25.



In addition to that, official Israeli numbers cannot be trusted.

numbers distributed by Israeli agencies are wildly inaccurate and often contradictory. This is propounded by sources such as Wikipedia, which at the time of this writing repeats the discredited and unaccounted numbers provided by Israeli agencies.

also reported, injuries resulting from rocket and mortar strikes are exaggerated. Israel’s casualty counts always incorporate numbers of people who have been treated for “shock and anxiety,” as well as “light injuries” resulting from the rush to safety, such as “falling down the stairs.”
​

Israel deliberately fluffs up the numbers, just like they deliberately target civilians.

 

[Roudy]

Really, so you think Palestinian animals have a right to slaughter Isrseli civilians but Isrselis have a legal responsibility not to defend themselves according to how they see fit? Ha ha ha. Typical terrorist appeaser mindset.

English comprehension not your strong point is it roodboy!

Read my post and have another try...

I did. You talk about civilian casualties but fail to focus on the Palestinians who constantly target civilians. Do you think they have a legal right to target Israeli civilians like the ISIS savages do in the West? Oh but wait, Israel cannot respond. Ha ha ha. Good one.

You read it??!! Wow...

Shame you weren't able to process it and give a sensible answer based upon my post, rather choosing to throw out your usual, brainwashed zionut BS!

It's not BS it's the truth. You guys constantly complain about "Palestinian civilian deaths" while the Palestinians themselves are constantly committing terrorist acts against Israeli civilians. And you think Israel has a "legal obligation" to go easy on the Palestinian terrorist animals who are no different than ISIS terrorist animals, in their ideology and the atrocities they commit.

The Palestinians themselves are to blame for their own civilian casualties. Not the Israelis who are simply defending themselves against the savages who attack Isrselis, and then use their own people as human shields.

Get it? Got it? Good.

International law maybe BS in your zionut world roodboy, wouldn't expect anything else, and certainly not from you.... But in the civilised world, it makes sense!

Israel does have a "legal obligation", as the occupier, as the oppressor, to protect the civilians that they occupy and oppress...

Just the way it is...

Don't like it? Tough!

So you think Israel has a legal obligation to go easy on Palestinian terrorist jihadi animals?

Link?

 

[montelatici]

English comprehension not your strong point is it roodboy!

Read my post and have another try...

I did. You talk about civilian casualties but fail to focus on the Palestinians who constantly target civilians. Do you think they have a legal right to target Israeli civilians like the ISIS savages do in the West? Oh but wait, Israel cannot respond. Ha ha ha. Good one.

You read it??!! Wow...

Shame you weren't able to process it and give a sensible answer based upon my post, rather choosing to throw out your usual, brainwashed zionut BS!

It's not BS it's the truth. You guys constantly complain about "Palestinian civilian deaths" while the Palestinians themselves are constantly committing terrorist acts against Israeli civilians. And you think Israel has a "legal obligation" to go easy on the Palestinian terrorist animals who are no different than ISIS terrorist animals, in their ideology and the atrocities they commit.

The Palestinians themselves are to blame for their own civilian casualties. Not the Israelis who are simply defending themselves against the savages who attack Isrselis, and then use their own people as human shields.

Get it? Got it? Good.

International law maybe BS in your zionut world roodboy, wouldn't expect anything else, and certainly not from you.... But in the civilised world, it makes sense!

Israel does have a "legal obligation", as the occupier, as the oppressor, to protect the civilians that they occupy and oppress...

Just the way it is...

Don't like it? Tough!

So you think Israel has a legal obligation to go easy on Palestinian terrorist jihadi animals?

Link?

"The civilian population is in a tense and vulnerable position. The law states that it must be humanely treated in all circumstances and protected from any acts of violence, including by third parties. The occupying power may only put in place such measures of control and security as may be necessary as a result of the conflict. Collective penalties, measures of intimidation, terrorism and hostage-taking are prohibited. The legal rights of the inhabitants of occupied territory cannot be curtailed by any agreement or other arrangement between the occupying power and the authorities of the occupied territory. This is intended to prevent national authorities from being put under pressure to make concessions which might not be in the population’s best interests or weaken its legal rights. Similarly, the inhabitants of the occupied territory cannot renounce their rights under the Fourth Geneva Convention. This again is a safeguard. It prevents the occupying power from exploiting the vulnerability of the occupied territory by exerting undue pressure to undermine and weaken the protection which the law affords.

Individual or mass forcible transfers and deportations of the civilian population from occupied territory are prohibited.

After effective occupation of territory, members of the territory’s armed forces who have not surrendered, organized resistance movements and genuine national liberation movements may resist the occupation.

ICRC service

 

[Billo_Really]

It is standard IDF policy to treat everyone the same in Gaza. Everyone is a threat. There are no innocents in Gaza.

Israeli forces displayed ‘callous indifference’ in deadly attacks on family homes in Gaza

Israeli forces have brazenly flouted the laws of war by carrying out a series of attacks on civilian homes, displaying callous indifference to the carnage caused,” said Philip Luther, Director of the Middle East and North Africa Programme at Amnesty International.

“The report exposes a pattern of attacks on civilian homes by Israeli forces which have shown a shocking disregard for the lives of Palestinian civilians, who were given no warning and had no chance to flee.”
​

It is important to note not only do you see Israel's callous indifference towards the victims in Gaza, but you also see that callous indifference in EVERY SINGLE POST from the posters in this very forum who defend Israeli actions.

And this complete disregard for Palestinian lives is systemic, for the pro-Israeli crowd.

 

[Billo_Really]

So you think Israel has a legal obligation to go easy on Palestinian terrorist jihadi animals?

Link?

Occupiers have a legal obligation to protect the occupied.

 

[Roudy]

34 pages and still nothing to indicate that Israel targets Pal'istanian civilians.

The Palestine people do not have a military... Thus, every death is a civilian death!

"The Palestinian people do not have a military, so the usual classification of civilian is not being used. Instead B'Tselem provides data on the number of Palestinians who did not participate in hostilities, a significantly more stringent qualification than the one used to identify Israeli civilians. We do not know how many of the Israelis listed as civilians participated in the hostilities. Many settlers who illegally have taken over parts of the West Bank (and used to live in parts of the Gaza Strip) are heavily armed and there have been numerous reports of their brutal attacks on their Palestinian neighbors."

Israelis and Palestinians Killed since 9/29/2000

So what you're saying is when Hamas attacks women and kids in a pizzeria they aren't actually civilians, the random stabbings in Jerusalem aren't civilians, suicide bombings on school buses aren't civilians, or when they point their rockets at Israeli population centers, they aren't civilians either.

Right.

And Israel has a "legal occupation" to go easy on these animals? DREAM ON.

The law is the law. A belligerant occupier has a legal duty to protect the people whose land it occupies. The world, in general, has decided that invasion and occupation are not good things, so it has fashioned laws to make belligerent occupation a burden on the occupier. In the hope the occupier will get the hell out of the territory it is occupying.

Furthermore, per various UN Resolutions, occupied or people under colonial rule have the right to use any means, including armed resistance to secure their freedom.

This pamphlet published by ICRC, is very useful.

ICRC service

Does not apply to Israel, plus nowhere does it give a resistance fighter that gets to slaughter civilians protected status. Hamas isn't even attacking Israeli military for the most part, which is what that irrelevant unenforceable Red Cross document is all about. It's always terrorism and murder of unarmed and unsuspecting innocent civilians. Palestinian terrorist animals are no different than ISIS terrorist animals, and deserve the same punishment.

 

[Roudy]

So you think Israel has a legal obligation to go easy on Palestinian terrorist jihadi animals?

Link?

Occupiers have a legal obligation to protect the occupied.

Yeah? And how is Israel occupying Gaza, lightbulb?

 

[Billo_Really]

Yeah? And how is Israel occupying Gaza, lightbulb?

Say something nice!

 

[Roudy]

It is standard IDF policy to treat everyone the same in Gaza. Everyone is a threat. There are no innocents in Gaza.

Israeli forces displayed ‘callous indifference’ in deadly attacks on family homes in Gaza

Israeli forces have brazenly flouted the laws of war by carrying out a series of attacks on civilian homes, displaying callous indifference to the carnage caused,” said Philip Luther, Director of the Middle East and North Africa Programme at Amnesty International.

“The report exposes a pattern of attacks on civilian homes by Israeli forces which have shown a shocking disregard for the lives of Palestinian civilians, who were given no warning and had no chance to flee.”
​

It is important to note not only do you see Israel's callous indifference towards the victims in Gaza, but you also see that callous indifference in EVERY SINGLE POST from the posters in this very forum who defend Israeli actions.

And this complete disregard for Palestinian lives is systemic, for the pro-Israeli crowd.

The fact that Israel gave advance warning to residents of apartment buildings that Hamas was shooting rockets from, is a testament to Israel's compassion and decency. If Israel really wanted to target civilians you'd see death toll results like in Syria with Assad.

Again, Palestinians do not have any respect for the life of Israeli civilians, nor do they care for their own by using them as human shields. I don't see what all the whining and moaning is about.

 

[Roudy]

I did. You talk about civilian casualties but fail to focus on the Palestinians who constantly target civilians. Do you think they have a legal right to target Israeli civilians like the ISIS savages do in the West? Oh but wait, Israel cannot respond. Ha ha ha. Good one.

You read it??!! Wow...

Shame you weren't able to process it and give a sensible answer based upon my post, rather choosing to throw out your usual, brainwashed zionut BS!

It's not BS it's the truth. You guys constantly complain about "Palestinian civilian deaths" while the Palestinians themselves are constantly committing terrorist acts against Israeli civilians. And you think Israel has a "legal obligation" to go easy on the Palestinian terrorist animals who are no different than ISIS terrorist animals, in their ideology and the atrocities they commit.

The Palestinians themselves are to blame for their own civilian casualties. Not the Israelis who are simply defending themselves against the savages who attack Isrselis, and then use their own people as human shields.

Get it? Got it? Good.

International law maybe BS in your zionut world roodboy, wouldn't expect anything else, and certainly not from you.... But in the civilised world, it makes sense!

Israel does have a "legal obligation", as the occupier, as the oppressor, to protect the civilians that they occupy and oppress...

Just the way it is...

Don't like it? Tough!

So you think Israel has a legal obligation to go easy on Palestinian terrorist jihadi animals?

Link?

"The civilian population is in a tense and vulnerable position. The law states that it must be humanely treated in all circumstances and protected from any acts of violence, including by third parties. The occupying power may only put in place such measures of control and security as may be necessary as a result of the conflict. Collective penalties, measures of intimidation, terrorism and hostage-taking are prohibited. The legal rights of the inhabitants of occupied territory cannot be curtailed by any agreement or other arrangement between the occupying power and the authorities of the occupied territory. This is intended to prevent national authorities from being put under pressure to make concessions which might not be in the population’s best interests or weaken its legal rights. Similarly, the inhabitants of the occupied territory cannot renounce their rights under the Fourth Geneva Convention. This again is a safeguard. It prevents the occupying power from exploiting the vulnerability of the occupied territory by exerting undue pressure to undermine and weaken the protection which the law affords.

Individual or mass forcible transfers and deportations of the civilian population from occupied territory are prohibited.

After effective occupation of territory, members of the territory’s armed forces who have not surrendered, organized resistance movements and genuine national liberation movements may resist the occupation.

ICRC service

And Israel is occupying Gaza how? Ha ha ha.

 

[montelatici]

So you think Israel has a legal obligation to go easy on Palestinian terrorist jihadi animals?

Link?

Occupiers have a legal obligation to protect the occupied.

Yeah? And how is Israel occupying Gaza, lightbulb?

The International Court of Justice determined that Gaza is occupied by Israel for a number of legal reasons:

Israel maintains full authority over the right to enter and exit from Gaza’s territorial waters and over the extent of these waters ;

Israel exercises total control over Gaza airspace ;

Israel controls the supply of essential products and services such as electricity, fuel, telecommunication frequencies, water…;

Israel controls the population registry of Gaza inhabitants (thus allowing it to decide who qualifies for residency status) ;

Israel collects the taxes owed to the Gaza authorities ;

Israel imposes a terrestrial no-go (or “buffer”) zone over an area representing approximately 17 % of the Strip’s territory.

Israel can and has re-occupied Gaza militarily on several occasions since removing settlements.

 

[Hollie]

So you think Israel has a legal obligation to go easy on Palestinian terrorist jihadi animals?

Link?

Occupiers have a legal obligation to protect the occupied.

Yeah? And how is Israel occupying Gaza, lightbulb?

The International Court of Justice determined that Gaza is occupied by Israel for a number of legal reasons:

Israel maintains full authority over the right to enter and exit from Gaza’s territorial waters and over the extent of these waters ;

Israel exercises total control over Gaza airspace ;

Israel controls the supply of essential products and services such as electricity, fuel, telecommunication frequencies, water…;

Israel controls the population registry of Gaza inhabitants (thus allowing it to decide who qualifies for residency status) ;

Israel collects the taxes owed to the Gaza authorities ;

Israel imposes a terrestrial no-go (or “buffer”) zone over an area representing approximately 17 % of the Strip’s territory.

Israel can and has re-occupied Gaza militarily on several occasions since removing settlements.

Not at all relevant to the topic.

 

[Roudy]

So you think Israel has a legal obligation to go easy on Palestinian terrorist jihadi animals?

Link?

Occupiers have a legal obligation to protect the occupied.

Yeah? And how is Israel occupying Gaza, lightbulb?

The International Court of Justice determined that Gaza is occupied by Israel for a number of legal reasons:

Israel maintains full authority over the right to enter and exit from Gaza’s territorial waters and over the extent of these waters ;

Israel exercises total control over Gaza airspace ;

Israel controls the supply of essential products and services such as electricity, fuel, telecommunication frequencies, water…;

Israel controls the population registry of Gaza inhabitants (thus allowing it to decide who qualifies for residency status) ;

Israel collects the taxes owed to the Gaza authorities ;

Israel imposes a terrestrial no-go (or “buffer”) zone over an area representing approximately 17 % of the Strip’s territory.

Israel can and has re-occupied Gaza militarily on several occasions since removing settlements.

what are you talking about? Gaza is ruled by a terrorist organization, there is no Israeli occupation. The blockade has been deemed legal by the UN. Hamas terrorists are attacking Israeli civilians in unprovoked acts of savagery not unlike ISIS. They have no respect for their own civilian life. These animals don't deserve anything but the hammer of brave IDF. Case closed.