Islamic law adopted in Britain

[AllieBaba]

Revealed: UK’s first official sharia courts - Times Online

"The government has quietly sanctioned the powers for sharia judges to rule on cases ranging from divorce and financial disputes to those involving domestic violence."

This should prove interesting.

 

[dilloduck]

Revealed: UK’s first official sharia courts - Times Online

"The government has quietly sanctioned the powers for sharia judges to rule on cases ranging from divorce and financial disputes to those involving domestic violence."

This should prove interesting.

oh goody---I hope Mikey likes it !

 

[MIRCS]

"The government has quietly sanctioned the powers for sharia judges to rule on cases ranging from divorce and financial disputes to those involving domestic violence."

This should prove interesting.

The power of liberalism..........I mean socialism

 

[AllieBaba]

Inbreeding and anemia have finally taken their toll on the Brits.

 

[Diuretic]

It seems to me that what the Brits have done is to allow Sharia courts to be arbiters in disputes between Muslims. Sharia isn't privileged above secular English law. And I would think that any decision by these tribunals wouldn't be able to breach English secular law.

Are you aware that in Britain Jews have recourse to their own courts for religious and cultural matters? The Beth Din can only be resorted to if all parties in a dispute or a matter are Jews. The Beth Din also operate as an arbitrator in disputes between Jews, much like the Sharia tribunals mentioned in this story.

And I reckon there's nothing at all wrong with allowing Muslims and Jews to have recourse to their own religious arbitrators.

 

[Skull Pilot]

It seems to me that what the Brits have done is to allow Sharia courts to be arbiters in disputes between Muslims. Sharia isn't privileged above secular English law. And I would think that any decision by these tribunals wouldn't be able to breach English secular law.

Are you aware that in Britain Jews have recourse to their own courts for religious and cultural matters? The Beth Din can only be resorted to if all parties in a dispute or a matter are Jews. The Beth Din also operate as an arbitrator in disputes between Jews, much like the Sharia tribunals mentioned in this story.

And I reckon there's nothing at all wrong with allowing Muslims and Jews to have recourse to their own religious arbitrators.

we'll see what happens when sharia practices fall outside British law. you know stoning, marrying off a daughter without her consent,etc.

 

[Diuretic]

we'll see what happens when sharia practices fall outside British law. you know stoning, marrying off a daughter without her consent,etc.

I agree, that would be the test. But there have been prosecutions already for crimes committed against English law by people claiming to be following ethnic customs or religious dictates and they have introduced to the concept of "here's your cell, we'll tell you when you can be let out for some exercise and for meals". And that's how it should be.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Yup, of course Jews have been demanding that according to their religion Government must be religious right? This is foolish in the extreme. it tells Muslims one thing, that the west is weak.

It encourages them to push for more and it tells them they will get what they want. But you spin it anyway you want. Remind us again how Christian religion is bad but Muslims should have their own laws.

 

[Diuretic]

Yup, of course Jews have been demanding that according to their religion Government must be religious right? This is foolish in the extreme. it tells Muslims one thing, that the west is weak.

It encourages them to push for more and it tells them they will get what they want. But you spin it anyway you want. Remind us again how Christian religion is bad but Muslims should have their own laws.

No Rock. Jews haven't been doing that in Britain. The Chief Rabbi, Jonathan Sacks, is a very influential person in Britain. He is influential by dint of his intellect and his ability to explain to Britons just exactly what Judaism in Britain is about and how British Jews relate to British society. I listened to some of his lectures on radio a couple of years ago and I was extremely impressed with his knowledge and his humanity. He is a man to be admired.

Jews quietly negotiated the Beth Din. And guess what? Britain ticked along nicely as the Beth Din was organised. In London there are large areas of the city that are acknowledged as Jewish communities and have been for many, many years, Jews have conducted their affairs with one another and with the larger community with nary a spark of concern (except where Jews were victimised of course). These are peaceful communities. The differences within the Jewish community stayed within the Jewish community and were sorted out there. The Beth Din at least gave some sort of authority to agreements hammered out by disputants. Halakah applies to Jews, it doesn't apply to gentiles.

Same thing for this quiet shift to using Sharia arbitration panels. It's for Muslims only, it doesn't affect non-Muslims. It's a simple accommodation of the wishes of the Muslim community and it doesn't, nor does Halakah, conflict with the secular laws of the country.

And Christians in England have had for hundreds of years their own law - Canon Law. Only recently in legal history has it been subsumed to secular law. But it is still a powerful part of English law albeit restricted somewhat. It drives the Church of England and secular law won't interfere with it unless secular law is broken. Just like Halakah and Sharia.

Why do you think English judges wear those coloured robes Rock? They harken back to the time when the courts of England were run by the clergy. Yes, once upon a time English common law courts were run by clergy-judges. It took a long time for the secular law to rip authority away from the clergy but they did it. I don't think the Brits will return to that mediaeval circumstance any time soon.

 

[jla1178]

Jews have always been more inclined to try and blend in to the local culture whereas Muslims consider all things nonIslamic sinful.

 

[WillowTree]

this sends women back a thousand years in Britain. They are no better off now than when they lived in the Holy Land. Talks about a stacked judge and jury.

 

[Diuretic]

Jews have always been more inclined to try and blend in to the local culture whereas Muslims consider all things nonIslamic sinful.

Well Jews weren't that successful in England it seems. They were all thrown out at one time, not sure of name of the King who did it but I think it was about 12th or 13th century. The lore is that Jews came over with Guillaume when he invaded in 1066 but there's some evidence of Jews being in Britain before the Norman invasion. They were very influential. In the City of London (the old Roman city, the square mile that is the financial hub) there is an are called Old Jewry that used to the the Jewish ghetto before the major expulsion. That area is actually the headquarters of the City of London Police (not to be confused with the Metropolitan Police).

Yes, it seems that Jews are more inclined to blend in (as much as anti-Judaism will allow of course) and that has a lot to do with the Jewish teachings I believe (I'm not Jewish nor am I tutored in Jewish culture). That's probably about survival though. In Christian countries it seems historically Jews have been reviled and tolerated in a sort of swirling set of policies (remember Shakespeare's adaptation of earlier idea in his "Shylock:The Merchant of Venice" and the shifting into everyday English of the idea of a "shylock" being someone you need to be wary of in a busines deal).

But there is absolutely no indication that this recognition of Sharia to help sort out internal disputes in the Muslim communities in Britain is going to spread to the non-Muslim community. I think that's scare-mongering.

 

[Diuretic]

this sends women back a thousand years in Britain. They are no better off now than when they lived in the Holy Land. Talks about a stacked judge and jury.

It doesn't transcend secular law.

 

[007]

It seems to me that what the Brits have done is to allow Sharia courts to be arbiters in disputes between Muslims. Sharia isn't privileged above secular English law. And I would think that any decision by these tribunals wouldn't be able to breach English secular law.

Are you aware that in Britain Jews have recourse to their own courts for religious and cultural matters? The Beth Din can only be resorted to if all parties in a dispute or a matter are Jews. The Beth Din also operate as an arbitrator in disputes between Jews, much like the Sharia tribunals mentioned in this story.

And I reckon there's nothing at all wrong with allowing Muslims and Jews to have recourse to their own religious arbitrators.

Yeah well... we'll see how long that lasts. The muslims are taking over the UK, plain and simple. They're just taking little bites at a time.

 

[WillowTree]

It doesn't transcend secular law.

tiny steps, tiny steps, it's just a matter of time.

 

[Diuretic]

That assumes that the British legislature is completely stupid. This decision gives the lie to that assumption. In allowing Sharia in arbitration tribunals similar to the Jewish use of arbitration tribunals in Beth Din it's giving the Muslim community a model. Beth Din has worked for years and worked very successfully. Yes, mainly Orthodox Jews have resorted to it for disputation settlement but it's been a success. It's admirable. There's the model. Beth Din works. So, come on you Muslim folks, there's a model you can follow that works well.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

That assumes that the British legislature is completely stupid. This decision gives the lie to that assumption. In allowing Sharia in arbitration tribunals similar to the Jewish use of arbitration tribunals in Beth Din it's giving the Muslim community a model. Beth Din has worked for years and worked very successfully. Yes, mainly Orthodox Jews have resorted to it for disputation settlement but it's been a success. It's admirable. There's the model. Beth Din works. So, come on you Muslim folks, there's a model you can follow that works well.

So when a Muslim woman wants a divorce she has to go before a Muslim tribunal? When her husband beats her, steals her property and treats her like a slave, she must resort to a Muslim Tribunal? Yup sure sounds like enlightenment to me.

 

[MichaelCollins]

Let me explain something to retarded jesus freak americans.

The UK...and every other European country...laugh at ALL religions.

Islam, christianity, Hinduism... they are all exactly the same.

If anyone in public office admits to being religious...they are laughed out of town.

It is alot more embarassing than admitting to being a transvestite.

So there is ZERO chance of islam or any other religion ever taking any power in the UK//

Do you understand that jesus freak americans?

 

[WillowTree]

Let me explain something to retarded jesus freak americans.

The UK...and every other European country...laugh at ALL religions.

Islam, christianity, Hinduism... they are all exactly the same.

If anyone in public office admits to being religious...they are laughed out of town.

It is alot more embarassing than admitting to being a transvestite.

So there is ZERO chance of islam or any other religion ever taking any power in the UK//

Do you understand that jesus freak americans?

Just shows what dumbass bigots you are growing over there!! Ahhh sweet tolerance!

 

[Ravi]

Let me explain something to retarded jesus freak americans.

The UK...and every other European country...laugh at ALL religions.

Islam, christianity, Hinduism... they are all exactly the same.

If anyone in public office admits to being religious...they are laughed out of town.

It is alot more embarassing than admitting to being a transvestite.

So there is ZERO chance of islam or any other religion ever taking any power in the UK//

Do you understand that jesus freak americans?

Listen, RGS might be a complete and utter moron, but there's no call to talk to him like that. Why don't you quit harassing Americans and work on your own country's faults?