Is there such thing as "universal morality"?
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Jesus said you have been told an "eye for an eye",,etc...,referencing the personal injury law, "you must require a life for a life— eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, and stripe for stripe." Its basically teaching equal and measured justice under the law so that someone who punched you in the eye didn't get the death penalty.
A slap on the cheek isn't even on the list. A slap on the cheek wasn't even considered an injury. At the time it was an insult, Thats how slaves were treated and people would seek retaliation in court for being humiliated not injured, a waste of time. "turn the other cheek" is more like sticks and stones . It was not a teaching that people should not defend themselves against violence.
Pop quiz!
What creature high or low, of all the livestock, of all the wild beasts of the field, of all the beings in heaven, on the earth, or under the earth would teach people that Jesus wants everyone to just stand there and take it and then say, "Thank you Sir. May I have another."?
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OK. How do you explain that the OT God was the God of the people of Israel, where the God of Jesus was a very personal deity?
God is God only until you conform to the instruction of the law that fulfills the promise of life in the presence and sanctuary of God.
If you do it as Jesus did, you will see God face to face and realize he is more like a loving Father intimately involved in your life than a sanctimonious prick that you never met hidden away in some distant ivory tower that you've never been to .
Tragically I was born without faith, just plenty of skepticism.
Me too. I'm pretty certain thats a good thing.
I wonder how some people are going to feel when they find out that while they were busy diligently and faithfully condemning other people for doing things that were never sinful to God, they didn't win any brownie points, they just missed out on a lot of living.
While they were busy telling everyone else they were going to hell in a bucket, they were pissing their time and life away in it.
If you want to find out if Jesus was right, just follow his instructions and do a systemwide sweep of your mind to remove all junk files, malware, infantile resentments, false assumptions and delusions of grandeur.
When your mind is restored to factory specifications, then we'll talk...
Try it, you'll like it.
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You are literally describing yourself.
Pay attention. I never said that you were going to hell or everyone else is going to hell.
I am pointing out that you are already in it. You are an idolator.
If scripture is truth then thats the way the cookie crumbles.
Feel free to spin it anyway you want. You are worse than a Muslim extremist when it comes to tolerance of other religions.
So whether you tell someone else that they are going to hell or they are already in hell for no other reason than what they believe, it’s still the same thing. Intolerance.
in·tol·er·ance
/ˌinˈtäl(ə)rəns/
noun
/ˌinˈtäl(ə)rəns/
noun
- unwillingness to accept views, beliefs, or behavior that differ from one's own.
"a struggle against religious intolerance"
synonyms: bigotry, narrow-mindedness, small-mindedness, parochialism, provincialism, insularity, fanaticism, dogmatism, illiberality;
prejudice, bias, partiality, partisanship, sectarianism, one-sidedness, inequality, unfairness, injustice, discrimination
"they are protesting at political and religious intolerance"
The distance between thought and deed are not that far apart.
“...Religious persecution may be triggered by religious bigotry (i.e. members of a dominant group denigrating religions other than their own) or by the state when it views a particular religious group as a threat to its interests or security. At a societal level, this dehumanization of a particular religious group may readily turn into violence or other forms of persecution. Indeed, in many countries, religious persecution has resulted in so much violence that it is considered a human rights problem...”
Religious persecution - Wikipedia
“...Religious persecution may be triggered by religious bigotry (i.e. members of a dominant group denigrating religions other than their own) or by the state when it views a particular religious group as a threat to its interests or security. At a societal level, this dehumanization of a particular religious group may readily turn into violence or other forms of persecution. Indeed, in many countries, religious persecution has resulted in so much violence that it is considered a human rights problem...”
Religious persecution - Wikipedia
If that’s how you need to see it.Are you describing yourself again?
I think I'll just get drunk. Faster, easier, and just as effective.
Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis
Review of MERE CHRISTIANITY by C.S. Lewis
"I Truth, lie." (Jacques Lacan)
I believe in christianity as I believe that the sun has risen not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else. (C.S. Lewis)
'Most hypotheses about the conditions for the real experience of axiological engagement have been the sort that flow easily from the default tendencies produced by the integration of evolved theogonic forces; they appeal to supernatural agents that care about the survival and flourishing of "our" in-group. These are "hypotheses" in the broadest sense, i.e., abductive inferences or "best guesses" that are shaped by prior experience but whose plausibility depends on their ongoing explanatory and pragmatic functions. In small-scale societies, the tendency to guess "animal-spirit" or "ancestor-ghost" when confronted with ambiguous phenomena comes naturally and is reinforced by emotionally arousing rituals, participation in which provides an ongoing opportunity to signal commitment to the group. Ideas about this sort of "god" are minimally counter-intuitive, which makes them easy to remember and transmit across generations In such contexts, beliefs about supernatural agents are not held onto as "hypothetical" in a narrower sense (postulates that might or might not be true) because everyone in the group (knows [italics]) about the (powers [it.]) of these disembodied intentional forces.'
(Shults, Iconoclastic Theology pp. 16-17)
Review of MERE CHRISTIANITY by C.S. Lewis
"I Truth, lie." (Jacques Lacan)
I believe in christianity as I believe that the sun has risen not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else. (C.S. Lewis)
'Most hypotheses about the conditions for the real experience of axiological engagement have been the sort that flow easily from the default tendencies produced by the integration of evolved theogonic forces; they appeal to supernatural agents that care about the survival and flourishing of "our" in-group. These are "hypotheses" in the broadest sense, i.e., abductive inferences or "best guesses" that are shaped by prior experience but whose plausibility depends on their ongoing explanatory and pragmatic functions. In small-scale societies, the tendency to guess "animal-spirit" or "ancestor-ghost" when confronted with ambiguous phenomena comes naturally and is reinforced by emotionally arousing rituals, participation in which provides an ongoing opportunity to signal commitment to the group. Ideas about this sort of "god" are minimally counter-intuitive, which makes them easy to remember and transmit across generations In such contexts, beliefs about supernatural agents are not held onto as "hypothetical" in a narrower sense (postulates that might or might not be true) because everyone in the group (knows [italics]) about the (powers [it.]) of these disembodied intentional forces.'
(Shults, Iconoclastic Theology pp. 16-17)
Faster? Probably. Easier? Without a doubt. But are you certain it is just as effective? Effective at what?
A dogmatic belief in objective values is necessary to the very idea of a rule which is not tyranny or an obedience which is not slavery. (C.S. Lewis)
Lewis failed to tell us how this belief works out in a real Bolshevist countryside or Civil War situation.
'Strata are Layers, Belts. They consist of giving form to matters, of imprisoning intensities or locking singularities into systems of resonance and redundancy, of producing upon the body of the earth molecules large and small and organizing them into molar aggregates. Strata are acts of capture, they are like "black holes" or occlusions striving to seize whatever comes within their reach. They operate by coding and territorialization upon the earth; they proceed simultaneously by code and by territoriality. The strata are judgements of god; stratification in general is the entire system of the judgement of god (but the earth,or body without organs, constantly eludes that judgement, flees and becomes destratified, decoded, deterritorialized.
....
god is a lobster, or double pincer, a double bind. Not only do strata come at least in pairs, but in a different way each stratum is double (it itself has several layers).'
(A Thousand Plateaus: Capitalism and Schizophrenia, 10,000 B.C.: The Geology of Morals)
Lewis failed to tell us how this belief works out in a real Bolshevist countryside or Civil War situation.
'Strata are Layers, Belts. They consist of giving form to matters, of imprisoning intensities or locking singularities into systems of resonance and redundancy, of producing upon the body of the earth molecules large and small and organizing them into molar aggregates. Strata are acts of capture, they are like "black holes" or occlusions striving to seize whatever comes within their reach. They operate by coding and territorialization upon the earth; they proceed simultaneously by code and by territoriality. The strata are judgements of god; stratification in general is the entire system of the judgement of god (but the earth,or body without organs, constantly eludes that judgement, flees and becomes destratified, decoded, deterritorialized.
....
god is a lobster, or double pincer, a double bind. Not only do strata come at least in pairs, but in a different way each stratum is double (it itself has several layers).'
(A Thousand Plateaus: Capitalism and Schizophrenia, 10,000 B.C.: The Geology of Morals)
It was a flip answer to "If you want to find out if Jesus was right, just follow his instructions and do a systemwide sweep of your mind to remove all junk files, malware, infantile resentments, false assumptions and delusions of grandeur."
However, getting drunk is as effective a way to get into heaven as any other. IMHO.
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