Our founding fathers feared the possibility of diversity, atheism, immorality in the future….didn’t they?

[The Sage of Main Street]

A long time ago. It just gets worse with every president and congress.

Wonks Wearing Wigs Scheming in Constitution Hall
Constitution-bangers are little drummer boys. They're so childish as they parade before the few elitists empowered by that Constitution.

 

[ding]

Trump is president. He lacks any virtue. We all know it, even he does.

And Americans still preferred him over a democrat, right?

 

[Dante]

And Americans still preferred him over a democrat, right?

Not in 2020

 

[Moonglow]

Isn’t that why they authored the Naturalization Act Of 1790? Did they know the importance of preserving western culture? Did they think a society had to remain of like-kind and like-mind to remain cohesive and sustainable?
John Adams warned us; “our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people”.
Your thoughts?
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That law was repealed and replaced.

 

[ding]

Not in 2020

He didn't get better in 2024, he got worse.

 

[ding]

Love Adams, but his opinion was his own here.

Was it?

In August 1831, Alexis de Tocqueville observed a New York court case where a witness was disallowed from testifying after declaring he did not believe in God or the immortality of the soul. The judge rejected the witness, arguing that declaring atheism destroyed the court's confidence in the person’s oath. [1, 2]
Key Details of the Account:

• The Incident: During a trial in Chester County, New York, a witness stated their disbelief in God/soul immortality. [1]
• The Ruling: The presiding judge refused to allow the testimony, arguing that an oath required a religious foundation to be valid. [1, 2]
• Context: The judge expressed surprise that a person in a "Christian country" would openly deny God, treating it as a disqualifier for participation in the justice system. [1]
• Significance to Tocqueville: This incident highlighted to Tocqueville the absolute, "universal consent" of Christian belief in America and its foundational role in American legal and moral life. [1, 2]

Tocqueville's Interpretation:
Tocqueville used this event to show that in America, religion was viewed as essential to the maintenance of democratic society and legal accountability. Unlike in his native France, where religion and freedom were often in conflict, he found that in America they were intimately combined. This episode confirmed his belief that in the U.S., the "spirit of religion" was inextricably tied to the "spirit of liberty".

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

That’s kinda the premise of the thread…the further we deviate from Founder/Framer intent the further down the shitter we slide. How do we return the U.S. to a white Christian state?

Um, we never will?

 

[Moonglow]

Was it?

In August 1831, Alexis de Tocqueville observed a New York court case where a witness was disallowed from testifying after declaring he did not believe in God or the immortality of the soul. The judge rejected the witness, arguing that declaring atheism destroyed the court's confidence in the person’s oath. [1, 2]
Key Details of the Account:

• The Incident: During a trial in Chester County, New York, a witness stated their disbelief in God/soul immortality. [1]
• The Ruling: The presiding judge refused to allow the testimony, arguing that an oath required a religious foundation to be valid. [1, 2]
• Context: The judge expressed surprise that a person in a "Christian country" would openly deny God, treating it as a disqualifier for participation in the justice system. [1]
• Significance to Tocqueville: This incident highlighted to Tocqueville the absolute, "universal consent" of Christian belief in America and its foundational role in American legal and moral life. [1, 2]

Tocqueville's Interpretation:
Tocqueville used this event to show that in America, religion was viewed as essential to the maintenance of democratic society and legal accountability. Unlike in his native France, where religion and freedom were often in conflict, he found that in America they were intimately combined. This episode confirmed his belief that in the U.S., the "spirit of religion" was inextricably tied to the "spirit of liberty".

Nothing better than religious oppression.

 

[tyroneweaver]

I understand you were hoping "immorality" would not be the topic of your topic with immorality in your title.

Too bad, bigot. You didn't think it through.

from the mouth of an anti semite

 

[ding]

Nothing better than religious oppression.

Well... if your country's history bothers you, you can always move to Europe and be ruled by Muslims.

 

[Moonglow]

Well... if your country's history bothers you, you can always move to Europe and be ruled by Muslims.

If you don't like my opinion, tough shit. I am not going anywhere but bed.

 

[ding]

If you don't like my opinion, tough shit.

Why would I have a problem with your opinion? I love slamming softballs served on a tee. Keep 'em coming.

 

[Moonglow]

Why would I have a problem with your opinion? I love slamming softballs served on a tee. Keep 'em coming.

I bet you do that when you shit, too.

 

[ding]

I bet you do that when you shit, too.

Are you comparing your opinions to shit?

 

[BrokeLoser]

Um, we never will?

Does that mean we can be sure we are PHUCKED? How long until this nation is completely unrecognizable because there won’t be enough white Christians to keep it legitimate? The writing is on the wall…isn’t it?

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

Does that mean we can be sure we are PHUCKED? How long until this nation is completely unrecognizable because there won’t be enough white Christians to keep it legitimate? The writing is on the wall…isn’t it?

No. You are still so free that you can procreate and be the self obsessed ahole with little repercussions as a white male all day long.

 

[Dante]

Was it?

In August 1831, Alexis de Tocqueville observed a New York court case where a witness was disallowed from testifying after declaring he did not believe in God or the immortality of the soul. The judge rejected the witness, arguing that declaring atheism destroyed the court's confidence in the person’s oath. [1, 2]
Key Details of the Account:

• The Incident: During a trial in Chester County, New York, a witness stated their disbelief in God/soul immortality. [1]
• The Ruling: The presiding judge refused to allow the testimony, arguing that an oath required a religious foundation to be valid. [1, 2]
• Context: The judge expressed surprise that a person in a "Christian country" would openly deny God, treating it as a disqualifier for participation in the justice system. [1]
• Significance to Tocqueville: This incident highlighted to Tocqueville the absolute, "universal consent" of Christian belief in America and its foundational role in American legal and moral life. [1, 2]

Tocqueville's Interpretation:
Tocqueville used this event to show that in America, religion was viewed as essential to the maintenance of democratic society and legal accountability. Unlike in his native France, where religion and freedom were often in conflict, he found that in America they were intimately combined. This episode confirmed his belief that in the U.S., the "spirit of religion" was inextricably tied to the "spirit of liberty".

Adams was offering up a personal opinion.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

I think you'd have red stretching into Western New York parts of New England absolutely Eastern Oregon Washington parts in Nevada parts in California

Alberta

And white people from all over the world should be welcome

Down with the corrupt swamp
Let the left have their own expertly crafted Utopia

They'll never let us go peacefully