Is there any USMB member who believes all deported Tren de Aragua members be returned to the US?

[postman]

Can you imagine, “well if they don’t do what we say, you just tell them blah blah blah“ That sounds like a wife telling her husband how to deal with the kids teachers..

The courts can require they make all reasonable efforts to secure his release and return to the United States.

And have the lower court judge oversee the efforts the administration is making to correct their mistake.

I'm sure if they paid El Salvador $24,000 to take a prisoner, they would accept $24,000 to release a prisoner.

 

[Seymour Flops]

The courts can require they make all reasonable efforts to secure his release and return to the United States.

And have the lower court judge oversee the efforts the administration is making to correct their mistake.

You see that as a real possibility?

I'm sure if they paid El Salvador $24,000 to take a prisoner, they would accept $24,000 to release a prisoner.

so you seriously see the president calling a lower court judge and saying “judge, I asked El Salvador to release that guy and they said no.“

Then the judge says “Hmm. Playing hardball, eh? Offer 12,000 and let them bargain you up to 24,000.”

Well, let me just say that’s NOT going to happen.

 

[postman]

The government of El Salvador is not a foreign government for Kilmar. He is El Salvadoran.

Would it be any different if we deported
Mikhail Baryshnikov back to Russia by mistake?

 

[postman]

You see that as a real possibility?

so you seriously see the president calling a lower court judge and saying “judge El Salvador to release that guy and they said no.“

Then the judge says “offer 12,000 and let them bargain you up to 24,000.”

Well, let me just say that’s NOT going to happen.

Actually it would be communication via an attorney in the justice department, reporting the efforts the administration was making. And the judge on hearing arguments from both sides, determining if those efforts were adequate or not.

 

[postman]

No different than when a judge gives instruction to a hung jury to keep trying. Without telling them how to deliberate.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Would it be any different if we deported
Mikhail Baryshnikov back to Russia by mistake?

Far different.

Kilmer Abrego Garcia in a supermax prison in his home country is a very desirable outcome, not needing to be “corrected.”

No different than when a judge gives instruction to a hung jury to keep trying. Without telling them how to deliberate.

Fine with that. Trump can say, “still trying here boss!” Channeling Paul Newman in Cool Hand Luke.

 

[Rawley]

In regards to being in danger if deported to El Salvador? Yes he did and the court granted withholding deportation to El Salvador.

WW

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Court said he couldn't be deported to Guatemala

 

[Seymour Flops]

Actually it would be communication via an attorney in the justice department, reporting the efforts the administration was making. And the judge on hearing arguments from both sides, determining if those efforts were adequate or not.

I don’t believe any judge would want to look that ridiculous.

Can you cite any cases of judges directing presidential negotiations with a foreign country?

 

[postman]

Far different.

Kilmer Abrego Garcia in a supermax prison in his home country is a very desirable outcome, not needing to be “corrected.”

So is Donald J. Trump in a super-max federal prison.
But you have to prove he committed a crime first. You just can't go by somebody claiming he's a bad guy.

 

[Delldude]

Agreed, probably short of a military rescue (which ain't happening).

But they can force the government to stop paying the $6,000,000 until he is.

WW

I also doubt that.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

WTF you talking Dude.

That is the admitting that in 2019 the Immigration Judge denied his asylum and that he could be deported withholding deportation to El Salvador. The Trump Administration then and now could have sent him to any other country in the world.

WW

Any other country in the world that would accept him.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Court said he couldn't be deported to Guatemala

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Obvoiusly an error in country on the Judges part since the rest of the decision - and yes context matters when such errors are found - is about El Salvador.

WW

 

[WorldWatcher]

Any other country in the world that would accept him.

Corrrect.

So why didn't the Trump Administration deport him in 2019?

WW

 

[postman]

Fine with that. Trump can say, “still trying here boss!” Channeling Paul Newman in Cool Hand Luke.

Actually the court would require, as in all hearings, that the parties before him, explain exactly what efforts they are making.

In open court if possible, and under seal if necessary.

 

[Seymour Flops]

So is Donald J. Trump is a super-max federal prison.
But you have to prove he committed a crime first. You just can't go by somebody claiming he's a bad guy.

When he’s an illegal alien I can. He should have self deported.

 

[Rawley]

Obvoiusly an error in country on the Judges part since the rest of the decision - and yes context matters when such errors are found - is about El Salvador.

WW

Nope. no error. You should read the opinion. His family had moved to Guatemala. They were going to deport him to Guatemala. They judge found that the DOJ had not proven that conditions had improved in Guatemala to the point the judge believed he still faced persecution in Guatemala.

 

[beagle9]

Team Trump won't. In fact

Trump Administration Asks Supreme Court To Block Order To Return Maryland Man From El Salvador​

Guess their saying that it wasn't a mistake then.

 

[Rawley]

Corrrect.

So why didn't the Trump Administration deport him in 2019?

WW

They tried

 

[postman]

I don’t believe any judge would want to look that ridiculous.

Can you cite any cases of judges directing presidential negotiations with a foreign country?

He would not be directing negotiations, but he would be overseeing what efforts were being made.

Such as who they are in contact with. And what reasons did El Salvador give for not releasing him.

 

[Delldude]

Such as who they are in contact with. And what reasons did El Salvador give for not releasing him.

Mind your own business would be one.