Is there any USMB member who believes all deported Tren de Aragua members be returned to the US?

[WorldWatcher]

Which the court found Garcia didn't prove.

In regards to being in danger if deported to El Salvador? Yes he did and the court granted withholding deportation to El Salvador.

WW

 

[sealybobo]

I did. It looks just as fake on google. What’s the proof other than “family members say?”

What evidence will you accept? We know the White House has admitted making mistakes on this and they refuse to help bring the people they wrongfully deported back.

OH, and that's just it Seymour. Prove it. Prove he's a gang member. Or do you just "trust" this administration? I don't.

 

[Delldude]

In regards to being in danger if deported to El Salvador? Yes he did and the court granted withholding deportation to El Salvador.

Ok................but he's there now what?

 

[Seymour Flops]

What evidence will you accept?

Anything real that indicates that he was deported for the sole reason of that autism tattoo.

Why do you think they show the picture of the tattoo only instead of the tattoo on that individual? Why do you think the one photo they show of that individual is him wearing clothes from wrist to ankles?

We know the White House has admitted making mistakes on this

As far as I know, they admitted to one administrative error of treating a guy as a member of TDA when he is actually a member of MS 13. Or was it deporting him to his home country when an armed migration judge said he shouldn’t be?

and they refuse to help bring the people they wrongfully deported back.

If you mean the MS13 guy , that was hardly a wrongful deportation. The American people, especially American children, are safer with him out of the country.

OH, and that's just it Seymour. Prove it. Prove he's a gang member. Or do you just "trust" this administration? I don't.

I don’t trust any administration anywhere. But I don’t have time to read the proof of every single person who has legal action taken against them. My only concern would be whether the government act within their legal authority. in this case, they clearly did.

Tens of thousands of people are arrested by government at all levels every day. Tens of thousands of people have been and continued to be deported.

Why do you find it necessary in this one specific case that you be given the proof of his guilt? Because his mom and his lawyer says he is not guilty?

You’re free to doubt his guilt because of that, but that doesn’t obligate the government to present evidence at an Internet hearing with you as the presiding judge.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Ok................but he's there now what?

That's the question.

The Judge ordered he be returned by midnight last night, Chief Justice Roberts issued and administrative stay due to restrictive timing upon appeal by the government after the Judges order was upheld by the 4th Circuit.

Abrego Garcia's attorney's have to file their response by 1700 today. Then the Chief Justice will issue an order, or he will refer it to the full courts Shadow Docket. Could be a couple of days, maybe a week , or even two before we have a decision on the order to return.

One way or the other I doubt if they will issue an order on the merits. IMHO - they will probably leave him in El Salvador pending further development of the case at the District and Appeals court levels.

WW

 

[beagle9]

Judge orders return of wrongly deported Maryland man to US from El Salvador​

By Mike Scarcella
April 5, 20257:39 PM EDTUpdated 2 days ago

In a court filing on early Saturday, the U.S. Justice Department called the judge's order "indefensible" and urged the appeals court to immediately pause the ruling.
The United States said Abrego Garcia "has no legal right or basis to be in the United States at all" and that "the public interest obviously disfavors his return, let alone a slapdash one conducted as the result of judicial fiat."
Earlier, at the hearing on Friday, Abrego Garcia's lawyer Simon Sandoval-Moshenberg told the judge that there was no legal basis for the deportation.

“They admit they had no legal authorization to remove him to El Salvador,” Moshenberg said. “The public interest lies in the government following the law.”
https://www.reuters.com/world/ameri...it-man-deported-el-salvador-error-2025-04-04/

one more day.

You lost at the SC. To bad ..

 

[Seymour Flops]

One way or the other I doubt if they will issue an order on the merits. IMHO - they will probably leave him in El Salvador pending further development of the case at the District and Appeals court levels.

Not wanting to jump in on your argument, but I do need to comment on that specific thing.

I suppose they will “leave him in El Salvador.”

They really have no power to order the Salvador government to release him or to send it back to US custody. He’s an El Salvadoran in custody of El Salvador.

I suppose the Democrats idea is that the judges will somehow instruct Trump, our head of state, on how to negotiate with the head of state of El Salvador.

Or is that the idea?

 

[Delldude]

One way or the other I doubt if they will issue an order on the merits. IMHO - they will probably leave him in El Salvador pending further development of the case at the District and Appeals court levels.

They can't force his return.

 

[MarathonMike]

They won't be coming back.

Not unless the Democrats regain power.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Not wanting to jump in on your argument, but I do need to comment on that specific thing.

I suppose they will “leave him in El Salvador.”

They really have no power to order the Salvador government to release him or to send it back to US custody. He’s an El Salvadoran in custody of El Salvador.

I suppose the Democrats idea is that the judges will somehow instruct Trump, our head of state, on how to negotiate with the head of state of El Salvador.

Or is that the idea?

He wasn't deported and turned over to the government.

He's a US prisoner being held under a financial contract. The US is paying (approximately) $6,000,000 per year for the 250 prisoners. Or about $24,000 each.

This isn't a "negotiation with the head of state", its a financial contract for detention.

WW

 

[WorldWatcher]

They can't force his return.

Agreed, probably short of a military rescue (which ain't happening).

But they can force the government to stop paying the $6,000,000 until he is.

WW

 

[Seymour Flops]

Vox says it’s an “awful ruling.”

But this decision is still a significant victory for Trump — and a loss for anyone Trump’s administration deems worthy of deportation. For starters, Judge James Boasberg, the district court judge, had issued a blanket order that temporarily blocked all deportations under the Alien Enemies Act. Those deportations can now resume.
The Supreme Court’s decision also rules that anyone Trump targets must bring a “habeas” proceeding, a process that ordinarily can only be used by a single individual to challenge their detention by the government. That means judges can only bar detention on a person-by-person basis.
As Justice Sonia Sotomayor warns in dissent, “individuals who are unable to secure counsel, or who cannot timely appeal an adverse judgment rendered by a habeas court, face the prospect of removal directly into the perilous conditions of El Salvador’s [Center for Terrorism Confinement], where detainees suffer egregious human rights abuses.” (The administration has sent several hundred men accused of belonging to the Venezuelan gang Tren de Aragua to that prison.)

The Supreme Court just made it easier for Trump to deport people

Despite the fact there isn’t a plausible argument the Alien Enemies Act can be used to do so.

www.vox.com

Of course, the Supreme Court is going to look at the law and the the constitution to decide this.

But they also have the evolving standards of decency doctrine. As long as they consider that to still be in effect, there is no way they will issue an order requiring thousands and thousands of vicious gang members from another country to remain in the United States.

One look at what happened to Lakin Riley, Kayla Hamilton, Jocelyn Nungaray, and Rachel Marin, and any reasonable sense of decency is shocked. Honestly, if Democrats are not shocked, they have no sense of decency.

It may not be an official doctrine, but the courts also have to consider their own credibility. Do they really want to be seen as the one branch out of three that is trying to protect these vicious people?

 

[Seymour Flops]

He wasn't deported and turned over to the government.

He's a US prisoner being held under a financial contract. The US is paying (approximately) $6,000,000 per year for the 250 prisoners. Or about $24,000 each.

This isn't a "negotiation with the head of state", its a financial contract for detention.

WW

OK, tomatoes, tomahtoes. What if anything do you envision the courts instructing Trump to do if El Salvador will not return that El Salvadoran?

 

[WorldWatcher]

OK, tomatoes, tomahtoes. What if anything do you envision the courts instructing Trump to do if El Salvador will not return that El Salvadoran?

Suspension of payments for the purchase of detention facilities and housing of prisoners pending return.

That's why it being a contractual relocation of US prisoners and such detention being paid for by the government vice true deportation is important.

WW

 

[postman]

What evidence will you accept? We know the White House has admitted making mistakes on this and they refuse to help bring the people they wrongfully deported back.

OH, and that's just it Seymour. Prove it. Prove he's a gang member. Or do you just "trust" this administration? I don't.

This is just like their proof there was widespread fraud in the 2020 presidential election.

Lots of "people said", or "I heard" but no actual evidence of it.

And their use of "gang tattoos", means any "poser" is now subject to deportation.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Suspension of payments for the purchase of detention facilities and housing of prisoners pending return.

That's why it being a contractual relocation of US prisoners and such detention being paid for by the government vice true deportation is important.

WW

It was a true deportation.

You gave an answer, I’ll give you that. I’ll just say I disagree. There is no way the Supreme Court is going to give that kind of micromanaging instructions to the president of the United States when dealing with another country.

Can you imagine, “well if they don’t do what we say, you just tell them blah blah blah“ That sounds like a wife telling her husband how to deal with the kids teachers..

 

[postman]

One look at what happened to Lakin Riley, Kayla Hamilton, Jocelyn Nungaray, and Rachel Marin, and any reasonable sense of decency is shocked. Honestly, if Democrats are not shocked, they have no sense of decency.

How would you like to expand that doctrine. Guilt by association. That anyone associated with the Mafia, whether the Italian Mafia, Russian Mafia, etc. can all be summarily incarcerated in a foreign country.

 

[postman]

OK, tomatoes, tomahtoes. What if anything do you envision the courts instructing Trump to do if El Salvador will not return that El Salvadoran?

The same that the United State would do, when a foreign government holds an American hostage.

 

[Seymour Flops]

How would you like to expand that doctrine. Guilt by association. That anyone associated with the Mafia, whether the Italian Mafia, Russian Mafia, etc. can all be summarily incarcerated in a foreign country.

Great idea, especially if they came to this country claiming their desire was to be decent Americans.

 

[Seymour Flops]

The same that the United State would do, when a foreign government holds an American hostage.

The government of El Salvador is not a foreign government for Kilmar. He is El Salvadoran.