Is there any USMB member who believes all deported Tren de Aragua members be returned to the US?

[postman]

When he’s an illegal alien I can. He should have self deported.

You left out an important step.
Proving that he's an illegal alien.

Otherwise you could go up to anybody on the street, and if they don't have their birth certificate on them. Deport them.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Nope. no error. You should read the opinion. His family had moved to Guatemala. They were going to deport him to Guatemala. They judge found that the DOJ had not proven that conditions had improved in Guatemala to the point the judge believed he still faced persecution in Guatemala.

Thanks, let me take a look again.

WW

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Corrrect.

So why didn't the Trump Administration deport him in 2019?

WW

A liberal judge put a pause on the proceedings.

 

[sealybobo]

Anything real that indicates that he was deported for the sole reason of that autism tattoo.

Why do you think they show the picture of the tattoo only instead of the tattoo on that individual? Why do you think the one photo they show of that individual is him wearing clothes from wrist to ankles?


As far as I know, they admitted to one administrative error of treating a guy as a member of TDA when he is actually a member of MS 13. Or was it deporting him to his home country when an armed migration judge said he shouldn’t be?

If you mean the MS13 guy , that was hardly a wrongful deportation. The American people, especially American children, are safer with him out of the country.

I don’t trust any administration anywhere. But I don’t have time to read the proof of every single person who has legal action taken against them. My only concern would be whether the government act within their legal authority. in this case, they clearly did.

Tens of thousands of people are arrested by government at all levels every day. Tens of thousands of people have been and continued to be deported.

Why do you find it necessary in this one specific case that you be given the proof of his guilt? Because his mom and his lawyer says he is not guilty?

You’re free to doubt his guilt because of that, but that doesn’t obligate the government to present evidence at an Internet hearing with you as the presiding judge.

Why do you assume he has other tatoos or those tatoos are gang tatoos? You sound like a nazi.

 

[sealybobo]

Guess their saying that it wasn't a mistake then.

And we should just believe them? The alternate facts administration?

 

[WorldWatcher]

Thanks, let me take a look again.

WW

So I re-read the 2019 Judges order.

Still not seeing it. The ruling is based on his being a native and citizen of El Salvador. In 2019 he would have been a mature adult and the fact that his parents now live in Guatemala aren't determining factors. The judge is simply pointing out that being deported to El Salvador OR Guatemala don't change the conditions of his life being endangered.

Hence the withholding of deportation. The Trump Administration was free to make arrangements for deportation to a neutral country, return to the Judge and get the deportation hold lifted.

WW

 

[WorldWatcher]

They tried

Can you link to any filings or proceedings after the 2019 immigration hearing where they attempted deportation to a neutral country that agreed to accept him?

WW

 

[postman]

Mind your own business would be one.

And throwing the DOJ lawyer in jail for contempt would be another.

 

[WorldWatcher]

A liberal judge put a pause on the proceedings.

Where?

And no, the 2019 judges order did not pause the Trump Administration from processing deportation to a neutral country that would accept him.

The get an agreement, then return to the judge and get the hold lifted.

WW

 

[playtime]

You lost at the SC.

' i ' didn't lose anything, cowboy...

To bad ..

t-o-o bad you think it's over. yep, it very well could go yer way; or not.

but do try to keep up.

US Supreme Court temporarily blocks order to return migrant deported to El Salvador in error​

By Reuters
April 7, 202511:06 PM EDTUpdated 13 hours ago

• Summary
• Salvadoran migrant Abrego Garcia was deported on March 15
• Appeals court had declined to block order for his return
• Abrego Garcia lived in Maryland legally with a work permit

April 7 (Reuters) - The U.S. Supreme Court temporarily halted on Monday a judge's order requiring President Donald Trump's administration to return by the end of the day a Salvadoran man who the government has acknowledged was deported in error to El Salvador.
Chief Justice John Roberts, acting on behalf of the court, paused the order by U.S. District Judge Paula Xinis that the administration return Kilmar Abrego Garcia by the end of Monday, in response to a lawsuit filed by the man and his family challenging the legality of his deportation.

The court's action, called an administrative stay, gives the nine justices additional time to consider the administration's more formal request to block the judge's order while litigation in the case continues. Earlier on Monday, the Richmond, Virginia-based 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals denied the administration's request to freeze the judge's order.
Xinis found that the U.S. government had no lawful authority to detain and deport Abrego Garcia, a Salvadoran migrant who lived in Maryland legally with a work permit, and ordered his return by 11:59 p.m. on Monday. Abrego Garcia was deported on March 15 on one of three high-profile deportation flights to El Salvador that also included alleged Venezuelan gang members.

The Justice Department in a Supreme Court filing on Monday stated that while Abrego Garcia was removed to El Salvador through "administrative error," his actual removal from the United States "was not error." The error, department lawyers wrote, was in removing him specifically to El Salvador despite a deportation protection order he received in 2019.
Justice Department lawyers said that Abrego Garcia, as an alleged member of the criminal gang MS-13, is no longer eligible for that protection. Trump's administration has designated MS-13 a foreign terrorist organization.
There are no pending charges against Abrego Garcia, who is married to an American citizen with whom he is raising a U.S. citizen child, in addition to his wife's two children from a prior relationship. Abrego Garcia's lawyers have denied the allegation that he is part of a gang.

Abrego Garcia received a 2019 judgment in the United States granting him protection from deportation to El Salvador after an immigration judge determined he would face persecution from gangs in his home country if returned.
Abrego Garcia's lawyers said in a Supreme Court filing on Monday that there is "no evidence in the record of this case supporting the government's contention that it cannot bring him back."
"Abrego Garcia has never been charged with a crime, in any country. He is not wanted by the government of El Salvador. He sits in a foreign prison solely at the behest of the United States, as the product of a Kafka-esque mistake," his lawyers wrote.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us...deported-maryland-man-el-salvador-2025-04-07/

 

[Delldude]

And throwing the DOJ lawyer in jail for contempt would be another.

That has nothing to do with ES.

 

[Rawley]

So I re-read the 2019 Judges order.

Still not seeing it.

"At present, even though the family has now shut down the pupusa business, Barrio 18 continues to harass and threaten the Respondent's two sisters and parents in Guatemala"

"Given country conditions and the Respondent's inability to avoid the threat through internal relocation, the Respondent could not necessarily avoid the threat through internal relocation, nor would it be reasonable to expect him to do so. DHS has failed to
carry their burden to show that there are changed circumstances in Guatemala that would result in the Respondent's life not being threatened, or that internal relocation is possible and reasonable."

" The Respondent's application for asylum is time-barred without exception. However' he has established past persecution based on a protected ground, and the presumption of a well founded fear of future persecution. DHS has not shown there are changed circumstances in Guatemala that would result in the Respondent's life not being threatened, or that internal relocation is possible and reasonable under the circumstances."

The ruling is based on his being a native and citizen of El Salvador. In 2019 he would have been a mature adult and the fact that his parents now live in Guatemala aren't determining factors. The judge is simply pointing out that being deported to El Salvador OR Guatemala don't change the conditions of his life being endangered.

Hence the withholding of deportation. The Trump Administration was free to make arrangements for deportation to a neutral country, return to the Judge and get the deportation hold lifted.

WW

Other neutral countries don't take gangbangers.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Other neutral countries don't take gangbangers.

Running from gangs doesn't make you a gangbanger.

WW

 

[Rawley]

Running from gangs doesn't make you a gangbanger.

WW

Yeah, that's the story he told. The first judge didn't buy it and found that he was a gangbanger. Appeals panel didn't buy it and affirmed he was a gangbanger. The third judge didn't even address it.

 

[Seymour Flops]

You left out an important step.
Proving that he's an illegal alien.

Congress said very specifically with the expedited removal process set for in the illegal immigration reform and immigrant responsibility act of 1998, that immigration officers can deport illegals with no court hearing.

Otherwise you could go up to anybody on the street, and if they don't have their birth certificate on them. Deport them.

Yeah, that has not happened since the law was passed in 1998. It would be a very silly thing to do.

To get back to reality, clearly Trump is targeting the most dangerous and the most vicious for deportation. He’s not going to have his officers pick random people off the street.

Given the last election, picking a random person would meet they would likely be a Trump voter.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Yeah, that's the story he told. The first judge didn't buy it and found that he was a gangbanger. Appeals panel didn't buy it and affirmed he was a gangbanger. The third judge didn't even address it.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mdd.578815/gov.uscourts.mdd.578815.1.1_3.pdf

By first judge I assume you mean the immigration judges, so where did the judge fined that he was a gangbanger?

WW

 

[Rawley]

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mdd.578815/gov.uscourts.mdd.578815.1.1_3.pdf

By first judge I assume you mean the immigration judges, so where did the judge fined that he was a gangbanger?

WW

"Regardless, the determination that the Respondent is a gang member appears to be trustworthy and is supported by other evidence in the record, namely, information contained in the Gang Field Interview Sheet. Although the Court is reluctant to give evidentiary weight to the Respondent's clothing as an indication of gang affiliation, the fact that a "past, proven, and reliable source of information" verified the Respondent's gang membership, rank, and gang name is sufficient to support that the Respondent is a gang member, and the Respondent has failed to present evidence to rebut that assertion."

 

[WorldWatcher]

"Regardless, the determination that the Respondent is a gang member appears to be trustworthy and is supported by other evidence in the record, namely, information contained in the Gang Field Interview Sheet. Although the Court is reluctant to give evidentiary weight to the Respondent's clothing as an indication of gang affiliation, the fact that a "past, proven, and reliable source of information" verified the Respondent's gang membership, rank, and gang name is sufficient to support that the Respondent is a gang member, and the Respondent has failed to present evidence to rebut that assertion."

Which page of the decision linked above is that on?

II've kind of scanned through it but may have missed it. We're talking a PDF copy that is an image and not searchable also.

WW

 

[Seymour Flops]

Why do you assume he has other tatoos or those tatoos are gang tatoos? You sound like a nazi.

Where did I say that?

 

[Rawley]

Which page of the decision linked above is that on? that'

II've kind of scanned through it but may have missed it. We're talking a PDF copy that is an image and not searchable also.

WW

You cited the third judge. I cited the original judge who held the bond hearing, who found he was gangbanger, a danger to the community and refused to grant a bond.

I gave a link to the opinion way above someplace, or you can find it online.