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#1: VACCINE MAKERS ARE IMMUNE FROM LIABILITY
#2: THE CHECKERED PAST OF THE VACCINE COMPANIES
#3: THE UGLY HISTORY OF ATTEMPTS TO MAKE CORONAVIRUS VACCINES
#4: THE “DATA GAPS” SUBMITTED TO THE FDA BY THE VACCINE MAKERS
#5: NO ACCESS TO THE RAW DATA FROM THE TRIALS

Cant fix all the misconceptions here. Let's just do a few.

Even the PRINCIPLES of the clinical trials -- dont have access to "the raw data".. That's the definition of "blind study".. So I dont know what the gripe is here. because we know how MANY, how LONG, and the percentage of the VAXXED group that died or hospitalized vs the placebo group.. EVERY REACTION NOTED in the clinicals is ON THE SHEET OF PAPER THAT THEY GIVE YOU when you show up for the jab.. If you want to know the EXACT percentages of those reported reactions -- they ARE AVAILABLE.. Quit whining about the "raw data"..

Vaccine makers have immunity.. But there is a HUGE "Settlement Fund" that Uncle Sam keeps in his hip pocket with all the bills he already cant pay.. Some cap like $250Bill.. So -- if you're injured by a vaccine, you apply thru the Settlement Fund..

What "UGLY HISTORY of Attempts to make the CV Vaccines"? The history was about ONE YEAR and that was miraculous in itself. And most of companies who signed up for the "fly off" successfully created one and got emergency approval.. There never WAS a CoronaVirus vaccine for the common cold or SARS -- the latter of which is CLOSELY related to CVid-19. The UGLIEST virus vaccine INITIAL roll-out was for H1N1 --NOT a CoronaVirus.. It was late for approval. The epidemic was almost over and there was a 1 in 100.000 reported contraction of Gullain-Barre Syndrome which halted the vaccinations. No DIRECT LINK to the vaccine was found, but by the time the investigation wrapped up -- there was NO NEED for that version of H1N1 vaccine.. A newer H1N1 vaccine is part of MOST year's "normal flu" shots that are given to more than 1/2 the population EVERY YEAR SINCE..

Hidden vaccination death list by CDC


A full list of complications and deaths from Covid vaccination, from the official US State Disease Monitoring Institute. Media love numbers, but not this one!

This list is “hidden” as there is no direct link to it!
But it's available to everyone, but this time it's pretty complicated to find!

We'll show you step by step how to get to this list so that everyone can check it for themselves!
 

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#1: VACCINE MAKERS ARE IMMUNE FROM LIABILITY
#2: THE CHECKERED PAST OF THE VACCINE COMPANIES
#3: THE UGLY HISTORY OF ATTEMPTS TO MAKE CORONAVIRUS VACCINES
#4: THE “DATA GAPS” SUBMITTED TO THE FDA BY THE VACCINE MAKERS
#5: NO ACCESS TO THE RAW DATA FROM THE TRIALS

Cant fix all the misconceptions here. Let's just do a few.

Even the PRINCIPLES of the clinical trials -- dont have access to "the raw data".. That's the definition of "blind study".. So I dont know what the gripe is here. because we know how MANY, how LONG, and the percentage of the VAXXED group that died or hospitalized vs the placebo group.. EVERY REACTION NOTED in the clinicals is ON THE SHEET OF PAPER THAT THEY GIVE YOU when you show up for the jab.. If you want to know the EXACT percentages of those reported reactions -- they ARE AVAILABLE.. Quit whining about the "raw data"..

Vaccine makers have immunity.. But there is a HUGE "Settlement Fund" that Uncle Sam keeps in his hip pocket with all the bills he already cant pay.. Some cap like $250Bill.. So -- if you're injured by a vaccine, you apply thru the Settlement Fund..

What "UGLY HISTORY of Attempts to make the CV Vaccines"? The history was about ONE YEAR and that was miraculous in itself. And most of companies who signed up for the "fly off" successfully created one and got emergency approval.. There never WAS a CoronaVirus vaccine for the common cold or SARS -- the latter of which is CLOSELY related to CVid-19. The UGLIEST virus vaccine INITIAL roll-out was for H1N1 --NOT a CoronaVirus.. It was late for approval. The epidemic was almost over and there was a 1 in 100.000 reported contraction of Gullain-Barre Syndrome which halted the vaccinations. No DIRECT LINK to the vaccine was found, but by the time the investigation wrapped up -- there was NO NEED for that version of H1N1 vaccine.. A newer H1N1 vaccine is part of MOST year's "normal flu" shots that are given to more than 1/2 the population EVERY YEAR SINCE..

Yea, you know how hard it is to get a settlement by the government and how long it takes? It is set up that way for a reason. Not to mention our own tax dollars are paying for the settlements that actually get through. Big Pharma reaps profits in all ways and even our tax dollars are paying for these rotten injections. Thankyou government for looking out for us. What a joke and scam.
 

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If you are a virologist or have detailed knowledge about the various Covid-19 vaccines, then please answer this question. If you do not have detailed knowledge, kindly refrain from responding to this thread.

Given that the Pfizer vaccine is showing over 80% efficacy after one dose (CDC report), J&J vaccine is about 70% effective and is delivered as a single dose why is the Pfizer vaccine STILL being pushed as a two dose vaccine with so many people still waiting for their first shot of any vaccine?


Both Pfizer and Moderna (Biontech) vaccines are BRAND NEW technology.. They do not rely on the time tested method of using "killed virus" or "vector host" vaccine that in one way or the other introduces a benign version of the actual target virus..

Instead they use the body to create antibodies based on introducing a "messenger RNA" for a PIECE of the virus. The body then "learns" how to destroy virus from a totally MAN-MADE snippet of the virus DNA..

The 2 shot recommendation was to avoid OVERLOADED reactions by the body to produce the antibodies and start fighting the stuff RECENTLY injected. So -- there is that 2 week or 3 week period to cool off the body reaction in between. And at the 2nd shot -- you are ASKED for adverse symptoms from the FIRST injection..

Was REALLY REALLY BALLSY to haul this out of academic theory and apply it to humans on an emergency basis. But there was some genetically modified" animal tests done where the animal has a "human-like" immunity response in place before the authorization and clinical trials..

With all that said -- a couple countries (France and maybe one/two others) are pondering or enacted a path to using these mRNA vaccines ON a one shot basis. Check the news for that. And Fauci (usually wrong at first) made some noise today about the needs for "booster shots".. Because NO ONE actually knows the endurance of the immunity that ANY of these vaccines will provide against prime variants and CV-19...
Great info. I will add that both the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines were tested on humans pruor to being authorized for emergency use. More than 75,000 people each.

Unlike the J&J, they were tested prior to the increased prevalence of variants. What this keans is that neother would like hit the percentage of efficacy from their first round of trials, should they ne tested today. This may fully explain the lower reported efficacy of the J&J vaccine, as compared to Moderna and Pfizer.

Do you have links to the 75,000 people that were tested?
 

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Having had the first injection of Pfizer, there is nothing to report (other than that third eye that sprang out on my forehead is really incredible!).
Seriously, the doubts about the newness of it did concern me, but information convinced me that the risk/benefit considerations tipped in favor.
 

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If you are a virologist or have detailed knowledge about the various Covid-19 vaccines, then please answer this question. If you do not have detailed knowledge, kindly refrain from responding to this thread.

Given that the Pfizer vaccine is showing over 80% efficacy after one dose (CDC report), J&J vaccine is about 70% effective and is delivered as a single dose why is the Pfizer vaccine STILL being pushed as a two dose vaccine with so many people still waiting for their first shot of any vaccine?

Bottom line, the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are not 80% protective with one shot anymore.

because New variants have hit the scene that they never ran trials on humans with the variants in the mix.

They only tested it in a test tube against the New variants and seems to work against the new ones, but not as well as the originals, unless both shots are given....then the protection increases on the new variants.... but again, still not at that 94% that these vaccines were at before variants showed up....

Soooo, the argument of giving one MRNA shot to a lot more people at 80% protection, isn't really 80% protection anymore, with the new variants taking over in community spread.... Others say it is worth it, even if just 60% protection.....

Also, in a hot spot like Michigan is right now, any additional vaccines may not help because it takes weeks get them in to more arms and to build up antibodies....

to affect what is happening right now ....what will immediately do such is masking up, keep 6ft of separation, and no small or large gatherings, refrain from inside restaurant eating etc....
 

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If you are a virologist or have detailed knowledge about the various Covid-19 vaccines, then please answer this question. If you do not have detailed knowledge, kindly refrain from responding to this thread.

Given that the Pfizer vaccine is showing over 80% efficacy after one dose (CDC report), J&J vaccine is about 70% effective and is delivered as a single dose why is the Pfizer vaccine STILL being pushed as a two dose vaccine with so many people still waiting for their first shot of any vaccine?


Both Pfizer and Moderna (Biontech) vaccines are BRAND NEW technology.. They do not rely on the time tested method of using "killed virus" or "vector host" vaccine that in one way or the other introduces a benign version of the actual target virus..

Instead they use the body to create antibodies based on introducing a "messenger RNA" for a PIECE of the virus. The body then "learns" how to destroy virus from a totally MAN-MADE snippet of the virus DNA..

The 2 shot recommendation was to avoid OVERLOADED reactions by the body to produce the antibodies and start fighting the stuff RECENTLY injected. So -- there is that 2 week or 3 week period to cool off the body reaction in between. And at the 2nd shot -- you are ASKED for adverse symptoms from the FIRST injection..

Was REALLY REALLY BALLSY to haul this out of academic theory and apply it to humans on an emergency basis. But there was some genetically modified" animal tests done where the animal has a "human-like" immunity response in place before the authorization and clinical trials..

With all that said -- a couple countries (France and maybe one/two others) are pondering or enacted a path to using these mRNA vaccines ON a one shot basis. Check the news for that. And Fauci (usually wrong at first) made some noise today about the needs for "booster shots".. Because NO ONE actually knows the endurance of the immunity that ANY of these vaccines will provide against prime variants and CV-19...
One article I read says it’s getting weaker at 6 months snd they believe it won’t work after 2 yrs
 

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If you are a virologist or have detailed knowledge about the various Covid-19 vaccines, then please answer this question. If you do not have detailed knowledge, kindly refrain from responding to this thread.

Given that the Pfizer vaccine is showing over 80% efficacy after one dose (CDC report), J&J vaccine is about 70% effective and is delivered as a single dose why is the Pfizer vaccine STILL being pushed as a two dose vaccine with so many people still waiting for their first shot of any vaccine?

Bottom line, the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are not 80% protective with one shot anymore.

because New variants have hit the scene that they never ran trials on humans with the variants in the mix.

They only tested it in a test tube against the New variants and seems to work against the new ones, but not as well as the originals, unless both shots are given....then the protection increases on the new variants.... but again, still not at that 94% that these vaccines were at before variants showed up....

Soooo, the argument of giving one MRNA shot to a lot more people at 80% protection, isn't really 80% protection anymore, with the new variants taking over in community spread.... Others say it is worth it, even if just 60% protection.....

Also, in a hot spot like Michigan is right now, any additional vaccines may not help because it takes weeks get them in to more arms and to build up antibodies....

to affect what is happening right now ....what will immediately do such is masking up, keep 6ft of separation, and no small or large gatherings, refrain from inside restaurant eating etc....
Oops! After reading this, the third eye disappeared!
 

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#1: VACCINE MAKERS ARE IMMUNE FROM LIABILITY
#2: THE CHECKERED PAST OF THE VACCINE COMPANIES
#3: THE UGLY HISTORY OF ATTEMPTS TO MAKE CORONAVIRUS VACCINES
#4: THE “DATA GAPS” SUBMITTED TO THE FDA BY THE VACCINE MAKERS
#5: NO ACCESS TO THE RAW DATA FROM THE TRIALS

Cant fix all the misconceptions here. Let's just do a few.

Even the PRINCIPLES of the clinical trials -- dont have access to "the raw data".. That's the definition of "blind study".. So I dont know what the gripe is here. because we know how MANY, how LONG, and the percentage of the VAXXED group that died or hospitalized vs the placebo group.. EVERY REACTION NOTED in the clinicals is ON THE SHEET OF PAPER THAT THEY GIVE YOU when you show up for the jab.. If you want to know the EXACT percentages of those reported reactions -- they ARE AVAILABLE.. Quit whining about the "raw data"..

Vaccine makers have immunity.. But there is a HUGE "Settlement Fund" that Uncle Sam keeps in his hip pocket with all the bills he already cant pay.. Some cap like $250Bill.. So -- if you're injured by a vaccine, you apply thru the Settlement Fund..

What "UGLY HISTORY of Attempts to make the CV Vaccines"? The history was about ONE YEAR and that was miraculous in itself. And most of companies who signed up for the "fly off" successfully created one and got emergency approval.. There never WAS a CoronaVirus vaccine for the common cold or SARS -- the latter of which is CLOSELY related to CVid-19. The UGLIEST virus vaccine INITIAL roll-out was for H1N1 --NOT a CoronaVirus.. It was late for approval. The epidemic was almost over and there was a 1 in 100.000 reported contraction of Gullain-Barre Syndrome which halted the vaccinations. No DIRECT LINK to the vaccine was found, but by the time the investigation wrapped up -- there was NO NEED for that version of H1N1 vaccine.. A newer H1N1 vaccine is part of MOST year's "normal flu" shots that are given to more than 1/2 the population EVERY YEAR SINCE..

Hidden vaccination death list by CDC


A full list of complications and deaths from Covid vaccination, from the official US State Disease Monitoring Institute. Media love numbers, but not this one!

This list is “hidden” as there is no direct link to it!
But it's available to everyone, but this time it's pretty complicated to find!

We'll show you step by step how to get to this list so that everyone can check it for themselves!
Stop spreading idiotic, dangerous lies. Your lies are harming people, asshole.
 

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If you are a virologist or have detailed knowledge about the various Covid-19 vaccines, then please answer this question. If you do not have detailed knowledge, kindly refrain from responding to this thread.

Given that the Pfizer vaccine is showing over 80% efficacy after one dose (CDC report), J&J vaccine is about 70% effective and is delivered as a single dose why is the Pfizer vaccine STILL being pushed as a two dose vaccine with so many people still waiting for their first shot of any vaccine?



Nothing personal Thoth, but I didn't get past 30 seconds in that video before cuteness Taylor whatzerface blew the "independent journalism" part. The very 1st graphic goes up while she's talking about the brand new mRNA vaccines and "are they safe".. I clipped it below.. Did you READ IT?

1st Astra-Zenica is NOT an mRNA formulation.. It's traditional vax "vector" technology.. And 2nd, If you actually READ THE scary headline and the 12 words below it --- the guy that DIED -- DID NOT EVEN GET THE A-Z vaccine... I know you have the hots for Sgt Major Truth vids.. But there was no sense going past crap like that.

bad info vaccine.png


READ and LISTEN critically, EVERYONE, including your current President and media stars are LYING their asses off..
 

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If you are a virologist or have detailed knowledge about the various Covid-19 vaccines, then please answer this question. If you do not have detailed knowledge, kindly refrain from responding to this thread.

Given that the Pfizer vaccine is showing over 80% efficacy after one dose (CDC report), J&J vaccine is about 70% effective and is delivered as a single dose why is the Pfizer vaccine STILL being pushed as a two dose vaccine with so many people still waiting for their first shot of any vaccine?


Both Pfizer and Moderna (Biontech) vaccines are BRAND NEW technology.. They do not rely on the time tested method of using "killed virus" or "vector host" vaccine that in one way or the other introduces a benign version of the actual target virus..

Instead they use the body to create antibodies based on introducing a "messenger RNA" for a PIECE of the virus. The body then "learns" how to destroy virus from a totally MAN-MADE snippet of the virus DNA..


Excellent! Thanks, so I think I got all that. But the crux of my question is, now that we have a fair amount of datat that shows a SINGLE SHOT of PFIZER IS MORE EFFECTIVE than a single shot J&J vaccine, isn't it wasteful to continue administering the second Pfizer shot when so many people haven't gotten a shot of any vaccine?

Mod Edit: Fixed blown quote-back formatting to make post response visible..

These vaccines are all designed to murder and maim people. It looks like they have already killed about 400,000 people according to the VAERS numbers. Wait a year because they are not made to kill people immediately. It will take some time for the numbers to skyrocket and they will assuraedly keep this out of the mainstream media.

There is no record under VAERS listing 400,000 people KILLED by any or ALL of the CVID vaccines together. There may be 400,000 reports under VAERS (or other vax abnormal reaction sites) that are mostly redness, itching, soreness at the injection site. I KNOW THIS because the govt Vaccine Damage Fund which I posted above has had about only 40,000 legal trials brought to it for ALL VACCINES TOTAL in its 30 year history... Most ALL of those involve school-age children and the required adolescent vaccines to get into school...
 
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Bottom line, the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are not 80% protective with one shot anymore.

because New variants have hit the scene that they never ran trials on humans with the variants in the mix.
I believe that is speculation as there is very little if any significant data on vaccine testing against Covid variants. What I did read is that the two shot vaccines were "nearly as effective" against the variants as the original virus.
 

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If you are a virologist or have detailed knowledge about the various Covid-19 vaccines, then please answer this question. If you do not have detailed knowledge, kindly refrain from responding to this thread.

Given that the Pfizer vaccine is showing over 80% efficacy after one dose (CDC report), J&J vaccine is about 70% effective and is delivered as a single dose why is the Pfizer vaccine STILL being pushed as a two dose vaccine with so many people still waiting for their first shot of any vaccine?


Both Pfizer and Moderna (Biontech) vaccines are BRAND NEW technology.. They do not rely on the time tested method of using "killed virus" or "vector host" vaccine that in one way or the other introduces a benign version of the actual target virus..

Instead they use the body to create antibodies based on introducing a "messenger RNA" for a PIECE of the virus. The body then "learns" how to destroy virus from a totally MAN-MADE snippet of the virus DNA..

The 2 shot recommendation was to avoid OVERLOADED reactions by the body to produce the antibodies and start fighting the stuff RECENTLY injected. So -- there is that 2 week or 3 week period to cool off the body reaction in between. And at the 2nd shot -- you are ASKED for adverse symptoms from the FIRST injection..

Was REALLY REALLY BALLSY to haul this out of academic theory and apply it to humans on an emergency basis. But there was some genetically modified" animal tests done where the animal has a "human-like" immunity response in place before the authorization and clinical trials..

With all that said -- a couple countries (France and maybe one/two others) are pondering or enacted a path to using these mRNA vaccines ON a one shot basis. Check the news for that. And Fauci (usually wrong at first) made some noise today about the needs for "booster shots".. Because NO ONE actually knows the endurance of the immunity that ANY of these vaccines will provide against prime variants and CV-19...
One article I read says it’s getting weaker at 6 months snd they believe it won’t work after 2 yrs
90% effective vs. 94%.... after 6 months. Still excellent! Especially considering new variants are in the mix now.
 

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Too bad that the "experts" have taken the reading comprehension questions off of standardized testing.. Before BANNING standardized testing in total -- that is.... Because apparently APPARENTLY -- not many here can read critically and connect the dots.. And that gives us too many people who are foaming at the mouth ANGRY at shit they dont comprehend.

The CBSNEWS title was juiced.. And the STORY was from 20 years ago.. If we had to make a smallpox vaccine today -- it would probably be done differently..

But the MAIN POINT IS -- there was NOTHING to back up the juice in the title about "the most dangerous vaccine".. In FACT -- we eliminated SmallPox as a threat by innoculating damn NEAR EVERYONE -- especially grade schoolers with it..

DID YA MISS THIS????? from the article.

More than six million people were vaccinated in three weeks in New York City in 1947. There were 12 cases of smallpox. "There were two deaths associated with smallpox, and there were, I'm sorry to say, three deaths associated with the vaccine," he says.

"(But) if they hadn't vaccinated, they might've had thousands upon thousands of deaths from smallpox," he adds

Numbers say the 12 cases gives that vaccine a rating over 99% effective. And the 3 deaths probably were not due to the active ingredient, but an allergic reaction to some preservative or something else in the formulation that COULD HAVE been avoided if they did "post vax" observation" like today when you are HELD for 15 minutes before being released from the CV-shot site....

A simple "epi-pen" would have LIKELY saved those 3 deaths "from the vaccine"..

Think this was part of the Bush Derangement Syndrome days, when ANYTHING Bush W did had to be deemed bad or downright evil...
 

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There will be people trampled and fights breaking out when EVERYONE ELSE suddenly becomes eligible, like the Biden Admin is itching to do
In Michigan it's been opened up to those 16 and older with no mad rush -- yet.

I'll be getting first shot next Thursdat, so if I disappear, you'll know why :auiqs.jpg:
 

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There will be people trampled and fights breaking out when EVERYONE ELSE suddenly becomes eligible, like the Biden Admin is itching to do
In Michigan it's been opened up to those 16 and older with no mad rush -- yet.

I'll be getting first shot next Thursdat, so if I disappear, you'll know why :auiqs.jpg:

And you waited so long because you're just 16 or 18??? :abgg2q.jpg:
 

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There will be people trampled and fights breaking out when EVERYONE ELSE suddenly becomes eligible, like the Biden Admin is itching to do
In Michigan it's been opened up to those 16 and older with no mad rush -- yet.

I'll be getting first shot next Thursdat, so if I disappear, you'll know why :auiqs.jpg:

And you waited so long because you're just 16 or 18??? :abgg2q.jpg:
I've been waiting to see how long before vaccinated people end up on the other side of the lawn
 

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