Zone1 Is the promise of a good afterlife the greatest motivation for…

[Meriweather]

Because for me it is the Truth. Everything good flows from that. If that makes sense.

Yes. And that takes us back to Pilate's question, "What is truth?" Fact is the basic definition, but the one that is even better to ponder is Reality.

Philosophers note this difference between fact and truth: Facts simply are, and acknowledged as facts because they have not been created, they simply are. Truth, they say, must be discovered or created.

Reality: Everything that has been, or is, whether or not it can be seen or even understood. This is why there cannot be different realities about God between atheists and people of faith.

 

[ding]

I want to listen to Gods advice. He knows best 100% of the time. I try to be no part of this world.

But you are a part of it. It is unfair and sacrifices will need to be made.

 

[ding]

" Magnanimity Of Megalomania Seeking A Uniform Fetish To Satisfy Anxiety About Mortality "

* Unfair World Of Limitations *

The literal meaning of an after life is genetic continuance where , by a sophisticated physical state another , both figuratively and literally as oneself . may have an opportunity to experience the sentience , sapience and introspection afforded as life .

Accept the responsibility to preserve and to perpetuate life , or do not ; and , stop confusing the literal meaning of an after life with metaphorical means by which to achieve it .

First of all genetic is part of the material world. I doubt genetics are a part of the spiritual world. Secondly, I don't care about the after life. I live in the present. Which most people think they do but don't. So maybe you should take your own advice because confusing the literal meaning of an after life with a metaphorical means by which to achieve it doesn't apply to me. And lastly, worry about your own responsibilities because I am doing just fine with mine.

 

[Donald H]

Atheism is a religion, it’s called paganism. You make up whatever rules you want. And you all have the same in common with other heretical religions, even the Fake Christians: you chose your own inclinations over following God’s laws.

Modern science cannot explain the existence of life. No science explains how life was created out of simple atomic materials.

It’s hard to believe man can be eaten by a giant sea creature?
He was then brought back to life after three days. This is why Jesus said the sign of the Son of Man would be that of Jonah. If God can create life and bring people back from the dead, then it is possible. Certainly more plausible than your “science” of life magically randomly appearing out of atomic elements.

You're by yourself in having the courage to believe that the Jonah/big fish story is literally true! You should be commended for that, when all the rest of the Christians fear to be ridiculed on their beliefs if they proclaim their bibles to be literally true, and not just invented hocus-pocus.

You won't have to worry about me laughing in your face, we've always needed a literal believer to take part in this clusterfk on religions!

Will you peoclaim the great flood and some of the other shit to be literally true too? That takes courage!

 

[luiza]

How do you recommend people begin building love of God within him/herself?

They become more enlightened as they move through incarnations and learn from errors .

Let's hope you can move past your Cultist stage and make next time a better one for you .

 

[sealybobo]

You're by yourself in having the courage to believe that the Jonah/big fish story is literally true! You should be commended for that, when all the rest of the Christians fear to be ridiculed on their beliefs if they proclaim their bibles to be literally true, and not just invented hocus-pocus.

You won't have to worry about me laughing in your face, we've always needed a literal believer to take part in this clusterfk on religions!

Will you peoclaim the great flood and some of the other shit to be literally true too? That takes courage!

I always say, these nutballs are the real Christians. Not the cherry pickers who pick and choose what they take literally.

If you are going to take the Jesus walked on water and rose from the dead after 3 days seriously, why not all the other made up nonsense? Why are those analogies but the Jesus myth isn't?

Even if Jesus’ existence could be established, this would in no way validate Christian theology or any element of the story portrayed in the Bible, such as the performance of miracles or the resurrection. Simply because it is conceivable a heretical Jewish preacher named Yeshua lived circa 30 AD, had followers and was executed, does not imply the son of a god walked the Earth at that time.

The motivation for belief in a divine, salvational Jesus breaks down when you accept evolution:

“Now, if the book of Genesis is an allegory, then sin is an allegory, the Fall is an allegory and the need for a Savior is an allegory – but if we are all descendants of an allegory, where does that leave us? It destroys the foundation of all Christian doctrine—it destroys the foundation of the gospel.” – Ken Ham

 

[theHawk]

You're by yourself in having the courage to believe that the Jonah/big fish story is literally true! You should be commended for that, when all the rest of the Christians fear to be ridiculed on their beliefs if they proclaim their bibles to be literally true, and not just invented hocus-pocus.

You won't have to worry about me laughing in your face, we've always needed a literal believer to take part in this clusterfk on religions!

Will you peoclaim the great flood and some of the other shit to be literally true too? That takes courage!

I noticed you could not refute that modern science has zero explanation for the creation of life.

Thus all you can do is attack and attempt to mock the idea that God is real, and the Bible is telling the truth.

I do not know if the Jonah story is literal or if it is a parable. The difference is negligible since the important issue is the lesson it teaches. But Jesus referenced Jonah and his return from the dead as the sign for the Son of Man, so it’s a true story.

 

[sealybobo]

No. If you don't LOVE GOD you're not gonna be there. Threats of ever burning hell is not the motivation that will give you eternal life.

This is what's required: "you shall love the Lord your God with all of your heart, soul and mind."

This can't be given. It is innate.

IF there is a God, believing in him isn't something a God would care about. That's man made up God. God is way too busy to worry about us or if we believe or not. He never visited. All religions are made up not just Christianity but let's take Christianity for example

Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.

 

[theHawk]

I always say, these nutballs are the real Christians. Not the cherry pickers who pick and choose what they take literally.

If you are going to take the Jesus walked on water and rose from the dead after 3 days seriously, why not all the other made up nonsense? Why are those analogies but the Jesus myth isn't?

Even if Jesus’ existence could be established, this would in no way validate Christian theology or any element of the story portrayed in the Bible, such as the performance of miracles or the resurrection. Simply because it is conceivable a heretical Jewish preacher named Yeshua lived circa 30 AD, had followers and was executed, does not imply the son of a god walked the Earth at that time.

The motivation for belief in a divine, salvational Jesus breaks down when you accept evolution:

“Now, if the book of Genesis is an allegory, then sin is an allegory, the Fall is an allegory and the need for a Savior is an allegory – but if we are all descendants of an allegory, where does that leave us? It destroys the foundation of all Christian doctrine—it destroys the foundation of the gospel.” – Ken Ham

Yet you blindly believe that life was created randomly from the raw atomic elements, even though the super smart scientists of today don’t even have a theory on how that is possible.

Even in astrophysics scientists are stumped on how the galaxies are formed, because all the science we know of shows that 90% of the matter of the universe is missing. That the solar systems should be flung out from the galaxies at the rate they are spinning. So they make up terms like “dark matter” and “dark energy” to make up for it, which is just another way of saying magic.

Who is the one that believes in fairy tales?

 

[theHawk]

IF there is a God, believing in him isn't something a God would care about. That's man made up God. God is way too busy to worry about us or if we believe or not. He never visited. All religions are made up not just Christianity but let's take Christianity for example

Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.

^^ classic pagan: “If there is a God, he would be like how I imagine him to be!”

If Christianity (ancient Judaism) is just “made up” by men, then why did they believe that all the dead go into Sheol (hades), both good and bad people? Wouldn’t you just say that good people go to paradise? If it was just made up, how did they make prophecies that came true? If it’s all a lie, why did so many people choose to die rather than renounce their faith?

 

[Donald H]

I noticed you could not refute that modern science has zero explanation for the creation of life.

Thus all you can do is attack and attempt to mock the idea that God is real, and the Bible is telling the truth.

I've made no attempts to mock the bible. I've actually come to agreement with all Christians who understand and proclaim the bibles to be not literally true. And I've commended you for standing alone with your faith that it's all literally true Talk with Ding and he will help you to understand how atheism has come to align with his beliefs, my beliefs, and the beliefs of the Catholic church.
We all now believe in Darwinian evolution and reject the Genesis clusterfk whoppers.

I do not know if the Jonah story is literal or if it is a parable.

So you're already backsliding on the Jonah/big fish story. That's got to be the fastest conversion this forum has ever seen!

The difference is negligible since the important issue is the lesson it teaches.

So now we're all good with that! Enough of the sea monster bullsh-t!
We'll have to search out a new literal believer. Backagain once hinted that he could be one!

But Jesus referenced Jonah and his return from the dead as the sign for the Son of Man, so it’s a true story.

So we know that he wasn't speaking the literal truth too! Atheists don't have a problem with that. There's more bullsh-t in the bibles than there's literal truth. I mean, like as if any Christian is going to buy into a flood that covered even Mt. Everest??

 

[Donald H]

IF there is a God, believing in him isn't something a God would care about. That's man made up God. God is way too busy to worry about us or if we believe or not. He never visited. All religions are made up not just Christianity but let's take Christianity for example

Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.

Don't abuse him just because he has the courage to be a literal believer.

In any case he's trying to do a 180 on that already!

This circus can't survive without at least one literal believer.

 

[theHawk]

I've made no attempts to mock the bible. I've actually come to agreement with all Christians who understand and proclaim the bibles to be not literally true. And I've commended you for standing alone with your faith that it's all literally true Talk with Ding and he will help you to understand how atheism has come to align with his beliefs, my beliefs, and the beliefs of the Catholic church.
We all now believe in Darwinian evolution and reject the Genesis clusterfk whoppers.

So you're already backsliding on the Jonah/big fish story. That's got to be the fastest conversion this forum has ever seen!

So now we're all good with that! Enough of the sea monster bullsh-t!
We'll have to search out a new literal believer. Backagain once hinted that he could be one!

So we know that he wasn't speaking the literal truth too! Atheists don't have a problem with that. There's more bullsh-t in the bibles than there's literal truth. I mean, like as if any Christian is going to buy into a flood that covered even Mt. Everest??

After all that, you still can’t admit science has no answer for life. You really are scrambling to deflect.

What evidence would you need to believe Everest was covered by water for a short period of time? I mean it’s all rock that is covered in ice.

 

[Donald H]

After all that, you still can’t admit science has no answer for life. You really are scrambling to deflect.

What evidence would you need to believe Everest was covered by water for a short period of time? I mean it’s all rock that is covered in ice.

If fossils were found on the higher slopes of Everest then more literal believers would have the courage to come out of their closets.

They're only staying under cover for fear of mockery. If you're the only one then you might have to take a few hits on your beliefs. Keep your faith! The fossils are there!

 

[theHawk]

If fossils were found on the higher slopes of Everest then more literal believers would have the courage to come out of their closets.

They're only staying under cover for fear of mockery. If you're the only one then you might have to take a few hits on your beliefs. Keep your faith! The fossils are there!

There is enough water on earth now to cover the entire planet by 2 miles.

It would take the tectonic plates under the oceans to rise, but if that happened the world would be covered with water. The earth’s crust is only 1% of the earth. The vast majority is molten lava, liquid and malleable. If God has the power to move atoms in the universe outside of natural gravity, is it unreasonable to believe he could sink the land continents and rise the ocean floors? That would cause a world wide flood.


Sea creature fossiles found in high up in mountain rocks proves that the flood happened.

Meanwhile modern scientists also believe that men can give birth.

Think I’ll pass on “modern science”.

 

[ding]

IF there is a God, believing in him isn't something a God would care about.

What if how one worshipped God (i.e. the habits and behaviors they developed) is the key to their being happy and successful in life?

 

[BreezeWood]

What if how one worshipped God (i.e. the habits and behaviors they developed) is the key to their being happy and successful in life?

howabout just ignore history for your proposal ...

so everyone can join in their happiness and their claim to the events of the 1st century - even as an absolute absurdity for some makes no difference.

 

[sealybobo]

Yet you blindly believe that life was created randomly from the raw atomic elements, even though the super smart scientists of today don’t even have a theory on how that is possible.

Even in astrophysics scientists are stumped on how the galaxies are formed, because all the science we know of shows that 90% of the matter of the universe is missing. That the solar systems should be flung out from the galaxies at the rate they are spinning. So they make up terms like “dark matter” and “dark energy” to make up for it, which is just another way of saying magic.

Who is the one that believes in fairy tales?

You have a theory? Oops. Your hypothesis doesn’t qualify as a theory. Never mind.

Yup. Stumped. They admit they don’t know. You know though. God did it.

you believe in fairytales

 

[ding]

howabout just ignore history for your proposal ...

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so everyone can join in their happiness and their claim to the events of the 1st century - even as an absolute absurdity for some makes no difference.

No way. You've cornered the market on ignoring history. But leave it to you to argue against successful behaviors leading to success.

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Removing All Doubt For Delusions Of Grandeur "

* Dazed Ding Dong Deception Of Goad *

First of all genetic is part of the material world. I doubt genetics are a part of the spiritual world.

From antiquity , a spirit is understood to be a humor , an aroma , a smell , so stop being pretentious and absurd , about whether yearn sole is or is not imbued with a spirit of or for some psychopomp .

* Chastising Ascetic Proffering Abstinence For Over Population *

Secondly, I don't care about the after life. I live in the present. Which most people think they do but don't.

A sophisticated physical state is required for sentience , sapience and introspection , and without genetic continuance you will , figuratively and literally , cease to live in the present .

* Spirit Metaphor Versus Literal Success Criteria Of Nature *

So maybe you should take your own advice because confusing the literal meaning of an after life with a metaphorical means by which to achieve it doesn't apply to me. And lastly, worry about your own responsibilities because I am doing just fine with mine.

This moniker does not concern itself with yearn responsibilities to yearn own self , rather this moniker concerns itself with yearn own goad of self validation for minding the responsibilities entitled as the self ownership and self determination of other individuals .