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CDZ Is the Climate changing?

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Anthropogenic climate change is real, supported by a wealth of irrefutable scientific evidence, but legitimate confirmation of that reality should not need to be provided or denied by any politician.

Politicians are not climatologists, epidemiologists, public health experts, embryologists, or gender orientation specialists.

Politicians do like to play all those roles, and many others, on tv and elsewhere, and there are actually a few gormless folks who fall for their acts.

Climate? The consensus of climatologists worldwide confirms the reality and the urgency of human-driven climate change via the analysis of apolitical data. Why would anyone base their awareness of climate change upon the uninformed notions of a politician - or a tap dancer, or a plumber, for that matter.

(Although, when your toilet clogs, you may want to call a politician.)
Nobody denies that there is climate change, but as my old physics professor used to say: "qualitative measures are created by quantitative measures". The quantitative measures to create a change of climate capable of what the doomsayers of the left crow about, just doesn't exist.

If it did, climate doomsayers wouldn't be buying houses right next to ocean shorelines. Yeah, they're real worried about it aren't they ? :right:

Example - Barrack Obama's $12 million mansion in Martha's Vineyard
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Nobody denies that there is climate change, but as my old physics professor used to say: "qualitative measures are created by quantitative measures". The quantitative measures to create a change of climate capable of what the doomsayers of the left crow about, just doesn't exist.

You sound like an ideologue.

If you want to deny that accelerated sea level rise is not a consequence of anthropological climate change, the data refutes you.


 

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Climatologists or leftists ?
Climatologists, regardless of the politics to which ideologues are subservient.

Political orientation is the inappropriate standard ideologues apply to scientists, ideologues in denial of science.

Evidence that human activities are responsible for climate change has reached a “gold standard”, making it virtually irrefutable from a scientific perspective, researchers say.
Their confidence that human activities were raising the heat at the Earth’s surface had reached a “five-sigma” level they said. This is a statistical gauge meaning there is only a one-in-a-million chance that the current evidence will be proved to be incorrect.
Even your most virulent, science-denying politicians can't refute the scientific reality.

The reality is now so inescapable, that less dogmatic ideologues are finally coming around:



 
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Climatologists, regardless of the politics to which ideologues are subservient.

Political orientation is the inappropriate standard ideologues apply to scientists, ideologues in denial of science.

Evidence that human activities are responsible for climate change has reached a “gold standard”, making it virtually irrefutable from a scientific perspective, researchers say.
Their confidence that human activities were raising the heat at the Earth’s surface had reached a “five-sigma” level they said. This is a statistical gauge meaning there is only a one-in-a-million chance that the current evidence will be proved to be incorrect.
Even your most virulent, science-denying politicians can't refute the scientific reality.

The reality is now so inescapable, that less dogmatic ideologues are finally coming around:



It still looks like you have not read my posts (ex. 532).
 

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When the deniers read, talk or write about the effects of CO2 they overlook the other components of danger that may/will be involved and how a ladder progression may/will become worse as time moves on. For instance, I have seen vehement scoffing reactions to as little as 1/2 degree increases in global warming. I have seen virtual backhand slaps to the evidence of melting glaciers and what seem to be miniscule sea rises. I have rarely seen even a tiny bit of comprehension to what will happen as tundras warm with the release of huge amounts of methane or how the ocean currents will warm and freshen. These are not minor events that may be ignored just because they're perceived as challenges to political bullshit. Do you want proofs? Look at the before and after pics of Glacier National Park or of the leading edges of glaciers worldwide. Simply stand back and observe the weather patterns and how climate has made those patterns and the weather more and more severe over the last ten years. Look at summers with NO temp lower than 90 degrees. Look at winters in the teens in the deep south. Don't rationalize or fantasize excuses, just look at it all with open eyes. Imagine the oceans' salinity dropping so low that the Labrador Current just stops. Imagine when the world's skies are so consistently cloudy worldwide that the majority of sunlight is slowed and minimized. Will the next ice age come as suddenly as a nuclear winter? None of the contemporary climate patterns are or will be only affected by CO2 exclusively. CO2 is only the starting gate.
And life flourished when co2 hit 2,400+ ppm, average temps were 4 deg Celsius higher than today, and evidence of glacial activity was found. And over the umpteen billion years the planet has been here, the climate constantly changed and the weather patterns appeared where they wanted to, and not where we wanted them.

The Sahara desert was once a temperate rain forest, so too was Antarctica.

 
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It still looks like you have not read my posts (ex. 532).
I'm acknowledging the overwhelming concurrence of the world's climatologists regarding anthropogenic climate change.

You cited one physicist and one geologist with aberrant views regarding climatology that comport with your ideological dogma, not with climatology.

Plimer has been widely discredited by real climatologists:
[The Australian says it accepts climate science, so why does it give a platform to 'outright falsehoods'?]

Climate Science Watch published a point-by-point rebuttal to one of Happer’s articles. A petition that he coauthored to change the official position of the American Physical Society to a version that raised doubts about global warming was overwhelmingly rejected by the APS Council. Happer has no formal training as a climate scientist.


You are an ideologue. Ideologues cling to their dogma, and cite aberrant views that reject the scientific consensus.
 

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And life flourished when co2 hit 2,400+ ppm, average temps were 4 deg Celsius higher than today, and evidence of glacial activity was found. And over the umpteen billion years the planet has been here, the climate constantly changed and the weather patterns appeared where they wanted to, and not where we wanted them.

The Sahara desert was once a temperate rain forest, so too was Antarctica.

Yes, and oxygen in the atmosphere was almost double what it is now. If you need a reality check as to why there is high danger by continuing our pollution, check out the widely published chart of rising temperatures from the beginning of the industrial age to now. As far as where we want the weather to be, do some deep research into HAARP, and not just what THEY want you to see and hear. There are power hungry people with absolutely NO scruples or regard for others everywhere in our CORPORATION owned and operated government(s) and We The People do not get anything from them except their GREED addictions of MONEY, POWER and RULE!
 

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Yes, and oxygen in the atmosphere was almost double what it is now. If you need a reality check as to why there is high danger by continuing our pollution, check out the widely published chart of rising temperatures from the beginning of the industrial age to now. As far as where we want the weather to be, do some deep research into HAARP, and not just what THEY want you to see and hear. There are power hungry people with absolutely NO scruples or regard for others everywhere in our CORPORATION owned and operated government(s) and We The People do not get anything from them except their GREED addictions of MONEY, POWER and RULE!
Yes oxygen was, but the subject was co2. I've had a reality check and I conclude the oxygen levels rise as tress flourish due to the co2 and produce oxygen. Just need to stop the Amazon being chopped down.
 

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Yes oxygen was, but the subject was co2. I've had a reality check and I conclude the oxygen levels rise as tress flourish due to the co2 and produce oxygen. Just need to stop the Amazon being chopped down.
I doubt that will happen. It is already too late for a good bit of it and as they have till the end of the decade to grab what they want. I'd bet by then it will no longer be of any use.

While world leaders sealed commitments on Tuesday to end deforestation by the end of the decade, the declaration comes too late for swathes of the Amazon rainforest.

British broadcaster Sky showed how huge areas of the jungle in Para state have been illegally logged to the brink of destruction.

The trees are burned, releasing the carbon stored within the forests, to weaken them before they are cut down, tearing apart ecosystems and reducing the Amazon's ability to act as a carbon sink.


An announcement came from the COP26 climate summit in Glasgow, Scotland, on Tuesday that more than 100 countries, had agreed to halt and reverse deforestation by 2030.

The UK said it has received the pledges from leaders representing more than 85% of the world’s forests.

Observers said fulfilling the pledge will be critical to limiting climate change, but many noted that such grand promises have been made before - to little effect.

Forests are important ecosystems and provide a critical way of absorbing carbon dioxide - the main greenhouse gas - from the atmosphere.[/quote`]
 

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I for one believe that it is. I've believed this for a long time, but I found that a documentary called "An Inconvenient Truth", which features for Vice President Al Gore prominently, was very persuasive. I know there are those who believe that the Climate isn't changing as well, including some people like James Corbett, who I respect immensely for his work on other subjects, but we simply don't agree when it comes to climate. Recently, a poster in another thread of mine expressed his belief that the climate isn't changing so I thought it might be good to create this thread and see where it goes. I ask that people support any assertions that haven't already been made by another poster with at least one link.
"Climate change" is a very broad term, the climate in my area changes almost daily but...
Regardless of what the weather is doing this is the big ticket item for liberals...the price tag for this is going to be astronomical...
...ya want folks to go along with climate change you're gonna have to tell them ya don't want any money for it, else you're just gonna be viewed as another hukster passing through town selling bottles of "doctor good"...
...it's an age old "snake oil" scam that now incorporates High-tech resources...
The dust bowl was a product of "climate change" and many a huckster saw the monetary value in it.
 

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I don’t deny climate changes……I don’t belong to your cult that uses climate as a way to achieve power…….or blames humans as a way to take that power…..climate changes, there used to be mile high glaciers where I am at now…..they melted all on their own.……
Denier logic is dumb.
 

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Anthropogenic climate change is real, supported by a wealth of irrefutable scientific evidence, but legitimate confirmation of that reality should not need to be provided or denied by any politician.

Politicians are not climatologists, epidemiologists, public health experts, embryologists, or gender orientation specialists.

Politicians do like to play all those roles, and many others, on tv and elsewhere, and there are actually a few gormless folks who fall for their acts.

Climate? The consensus of climatologists worldwide confirms the reality and the urgency of human-driven climate change via the analysis of apolitical data. Why would anyone base their awareness of climate change upon the uninformed notions of a politician - or a tap dancer, or a plumber, for that matter.

(Although, when your toilet clogs, you may want to call a politician.)
 

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Something is happening, not sure what but the sea is taking the beaches here in Florida.
Also the world is giving out of sand, and no we can't use any of sand in the deserts, if my memory serves me ,it turns to glue when wet.
Of course it shortens the walk to the water for older folks.


Our beaches use to be white,now they are a grey or tan color.
We took the new dogs and old Molly to the beach last month and it was a trip!
 

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