CDZ Is the Climate changing?

[Ivan88]

The Creator of all things rides in the whirlwind; and His girl friend, Mother Nature gets mad when He gets mad.

Then there is our Glorious Peoples Leaders who build weather weapons to harm people and for "social engineering". It is all done with criminal intent, and very premeditated.

 

[Otis Mayfield]

So bristlecone pines are the longest lived trees in the world. 5,000 years is not uncommon.

The chart above is a measure of the tree ring gaps over the years. You can see from 400AD, when Constantine was emperor of Rome, to 1492 when Columbus found America that things were pretty stable.

That means the amount of rainfall was the same those 1,000 years.

But then, when the Industrial Revolution starts in the 1800s, you can see the ring gaps start to dramatically increase. This means that there was more rain.

The climate has changed starting around 1800. It's gotten warmer which has shifted the rain patterns in California, making California more wet.

Just some simple tree rings on some very old trees demonstrate global warming.

 

[Ivan88]

1500 years ago there were farms in Greenland.
The weather change/Globull Warming gurus want to tax you to subsidize them and to control You.
And, because of our rebellion against the Creator who would be our Savior, which in our rebellion we refused His Judgments and Statutes, and defiled with our detestable things and abominable thoughts and actions, that Creator uses weather to punish us and He has hired our enemies to punish us. The carbon tax krap is just one of the punishments being devised against America in which the Curse calls for 1/3 to die by pestilence, 1/3 by violence, 1/3 by fleeing with a sword following them. See Ezekiel 5

 

[Donald H]

Climate fear and doom spreaders..
Boston January 2021... OH MY GOD!!!... Warmest January Day ever!!... AUUUGH!!!
75 degrees!!! WE ARE GOING TO DIE!!!!!!!!! EARTH WILL BUUUURRRNNN

Yeah... a little comparison they left out. It was the fouth time in Boston History the temp went above 70 in Boston.
1872... it was 73 degrees. Nobody went insane.
1876... it was 72 degrees....no one died.
1950... it was 72 degrees... no one panicked
What they ALSO left out... exactly 3 weeks later Boston had the coldest day ON RECORD in Boston... -11 degrees
The 2nd coldest day in Boston was in 2019.
OOPS
So guess the 3rd coldest day?.... yeah...2018.

OOPS AGAIN

Good points you're making! Climate change brings colder weather in some places while the earth is getting hotter overall.
While the denialists keep shooting themselves in their feet.

 

[Donald H]

1500 years ago there were farms in Greenland.
The weather change/Globull Warming gurus want to tax you to subsidize them and to control You.
And, because of our rebellion against the Creator who would be our Savior, which in our rebellion we refused His Judgments and Statutes, and defiled with our detestable things and abominable thoughts and actions, that Creator uses weather to punish us and He has hired our enemies to punish us. The carbon tax krap is just one of the punishments being devised against America in which the Curse calls for 1/3 to die by pestilence, 1/3 by violence, 1/3 by fleeing with a sword following them. See Ezekiel 5

Was it the creator who recently moved the tropic of Cancer north two thousand miles? Did he do it at night while everybody on earth was sleeping?

 

[Captain Caveman]

at what point on that timeline did humans start to thrive?

Three thirty in the morning.

 

[watchingfromafar]

The entire livable ( the Earth's biosphere ) portion of that aquarium is the bottom 1/4 th. inch which we are polluting very badly with CO2. CO2 traps heat in the Earth's atmosphere like a slow cooker.

People have total misunderstanding of what CO2 is or where it came from.

Mammals’ inhale O2
Mammals’ exhale CO2
Fish inhale O2
Fish exhale CO2
Birds inhale O2
Birds exhale CO2
Trees and other similar forms of life inhale C02 and exhale O2

This is the cycle of life

It takes six molecules of CO2 to produce one molecule of glucose by photosynthesis, and six molecules of oxygen are released as a by-product. A glucose molecule contains six carbon atoms, so that’s a net gain of one molecule of oxygen for every atom of carbon added to the tree. A mature sycamore tree might be around 12m tall and weigh two tonnes, including the roots and leaves. If it grows by five per cent each year, it will produce around 100kg of wood, of which 38kg will be carbon. Allowing for the relative molecular weights of oxygen and carbon, this equates to 100kg of oxygen per tree per year.

A human breathes about 9.5 tonnes of air in a year, but oxygen only makes up about 23 per cent of that air, by mass, and we only extract a little over a third of the oxygen from each breath. That works out to a total of about 740kg of oxygen per year. Which is, very roughly, seven or eight trees’ worth.

How many trees does it take to produce oxygen for one person? - BBC Science Focus Magazine

The real health hazard is diesel fuel.
Diesel engines burn oxygen just like gas cars but but what they both produce is deadly different.

Burning Gasoline produces C02
Burning Diesel produces CO, which is deadly if you breath it.
Carbon monoxide poisoning typically occurs from breathing in carbon monoxide (CO) at excessive levels. Symptoms are often described as "flu-like" and commonly include headache, dizziness, weakness, vomiting, chest pain, and confusion. large exposures can result in loss of consciousness, arrhythmias, seizures, or death. The classically described "cherry red skin" rarely occurs Long-term complications may include chronic fatigue, trouble with memory, and movement problems.

Carbon monoxide poisoning - Wikipedia

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[Donald H]

Burning Gasoline produces C02
Burning Diesel produces CO, which is deadly if you breath it.


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You've got that mostly backwards. Ideally a diesel engine won't produce any CO.

 

[watchingfromafar]

You've got that mostly backwards. Ideally a diesel engine won't produce any CO.

If only we lived in an ideal world.
This is a pointless discussion. Diesel exhaust is deadly to humans as is sulfur dioxide, Carbon Monoxide, Nitrogen oxides and sulfur dioxide.

Sulfur dioxide (SO2) is generated from the sulfur present in diesel fuel.
Carbon monoxide (CO), hydrocarbons (HC), and aldehydes are generated in the exhaust as the result of incomplete combustion of fuel
Nitrogen oxides (NOx) are generated from nitrogen and oxygen under the high pressure and temperature conditions in the engine cylinder.
Sulfur dioxide (SO2) is generated from the sulfur present in diesel fuel.
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[watchingfromafar]

Is the Climate changing?

Hasn't Earth warmed and cooled naturally throughout history?

Author: David Herring and Rebecca Lindsey
October 29, 2020
Yes. Earth has experienced cold periods (or “ice ages”) and warm periods (“interglacials”) on roughly 100,000-year cycles for at least the last 1 million years. The last of these ices ended around 20,000 years ago.
Hasn't Earth warmed and cooled naturally throughout history? | NOAA Climate.gov

Earth has been a snowball and a hothouse at different times in its past. So if the climate changed before humans, how can we be sure we’re responsible for the dramatic warming that’s happening today?

How Earth’s Climate Changes Naturally (and Why Things Are Different Now) | Quanta Magazine

The largest global-scale climate variations in Earth’s recent geological past are the ice age cycles (see infobox, p.B4), which are cold glacial periods followed by shorter warm periods . The last few of these natural cycles have recurred roughly every 100,000 years.

Recent estimates of the increase in global average temperature since the end of the last ice age are 4 to 5 °C (7 to 9 °F). That change occurred over a period of about 7,000 years, starting 18,000 years ago. CO2 has risen more than 40% in just the past 200 years, much of this since the 1970s, contributing to human alteration of the planet’s energy budget that has so far warmed Earth by about 1 °C (1.8 °F). If the rise in CO2 continues unchecked, warming of the same magnitude as the increase out of the ice age can be expected by the end of this century or soon after. This speed of warming is more than ten times that at the end of an ice age, the fastest known natural sustained change on a global scale.
6. Climate is always changing. Why is climate change of concern now? | Royal Society

The Snowball Earth hypothesis proposes that during one or more of Earth's icehouse climates, Earth's surface became entirely or nearly entirely frozen
Snowball Earth - Wikipedia

Snowball Earth: The times our planet was covered in ice
Ancient rocks suggest that ice entirely covered our planet on at least two occasions. This theory may help explain the rise of complex life that followed.

The Earth has endured many changes in its 4.5-billion-year history, with some tumultuous twists and turns along the way. One especially dramatic episode appears to have come between 700 million and 600 million years ago, when scientists think ice smothered the entire planet, from the poles to the equator — twice in quick succession.

Yes, the earth’s climate is always changing

The Truth Will Set You Free

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[Flopper]

Absolutely correct, but you are talking to someone who isn't listening, doesn't want to listen or both. The boisterous 5% are climate deniers primarily are people invested in big oil in one way or another. There's no other reasonable excuse not to acknowledge the fact. Like I said, with this guy you were talking to the wind.

I have found that most people posting on USMB are set in there beliefs. There is nothing you can say that will change them. However, when you post on USMB, you are posting to the world not just the person you are replying. Everything on USMB is available to all. So when you reply, you are replying to the whole damn world, If you don't believe it then google USMB Politics.
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[Flopper]

People have total misunderstanding of what CO2 is or where it came from.

Mammals’ inhale O2
Mammals’ exhale CO2
Fish inhale O2
Fish exhale CO2
Birds inhale O2
Birds exhale CO2
Trees and other similar forms of life inhale C02 and exhale O2

This is the cycle of life

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It takes six molecules of CO2 to produce one molecule of glucose by photosynthesis, and six molecules of oxygen are released as a by-product. A glucose molecule contains six carbon atoms, so that’s a net gain of one molecule of oxygen for every atom of carbon added to the tree. A mature sycamore tree might be around 12m tall and weigh two tonnes, including the roots and leaves. If it grows by five per cent each year, it will produce around 100kg of wood, of which 38kg will be carbon. Allowing for the relative molecular weights of oxygen and carbon, this equates to 100kg of oxygen per tree per year.

A human breathes about 9.5 tonnes of air in a year, but oxygen only makes up about 23 per cent of that air, by mass, and we only extract a little over a third of the oxygen from each breath. That works out to a total of about 740kg of oxygen per year. Which is, very roughly, seven or eight trees’ worth.

How many trees does it take to produce oxygen for one person? - BBC Science Focus Magazine

The real health hazard is diesel fuel.
Diesel engines burn oxygen just like gas cars but but what they both produce is deadly different.

Burning Gasoline produces C02
Burning Diesel produces CO, which is deadly if you breath it.
Carbon monoxide poisoning typically occurs from breathing in carbon monoxide (CO) at excessive levels. Symptoms are often described as "flu-like" and commonly include headache, dizziness, weakness, vomiting, chest pain, and confusion. large exposures can result in loss of consciousness, arrhythmias, seizures, or death. The classically described "cherry red skin" rarely occurs Long-term complications may include chronic fatigue, trouble with memory, and movement problems.

Carbon monoxide poisoning - Wikipedia

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Yes, birds and mammals have been exhaling carbon dioxide for centuries. Plants have use sunlight, water, and this carbon dioxide to create oxygen which mammals breath. This has been going on for millions of years. Then man discovers a good way of producing heat was to burn coal which produced lots of CO2 and green house gases and then burning gasoline used for transportation which produced even more even more of these gases which is far more than plant life can absorb. These gases are trap heat in the atmosphere resulting in global warming. It's really pretty simple

 

[Stann]

What I was pointed out was that known reserves are not a good guide as to when we will run out of oil. Oil and gas is being discovered everyday and new technologies such fracking, robotics, and IOT is making it easier find and remove petroleum. People have been forecasting the end of oil and gas for over a hundred years and they have been wrong.

What will cause the world to move to alternative fuel sources is the slow rise in the cost of discovery, production, refining and transportation of oil and gas. Over the long term oil and gas is slowly getting to harder find and more expense to produce. Petroleum is not going to go away. The economic advantage as a fuel is. As the environmental damage rises due to use of petroleum as a fuel along with global warming and falling costs of alternative sources, we will see more and more movement to alternative sources. We will always need petroleum to make plastics and thousands of products. That's not likely to change. Large cargo vessels, petroleum driven power plants, jet airplanes will need petroleum as a fuel for a long time.

Well we have about a maximum of 50 years left to save the planet after that it won't be worth saving.

 

[Stann]

I have found that most people posting on USMB are set in there beliefs. There is nothing you can say that will change them. However, when you post on USMB, you are posting to the world not just the person you are replying. Everything on USMB is available to all. So when you reply, you are replying to the whole damn world, If you don't believe it then google USMB Politics.
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That's great as long as you are telling the TRUTH.

 

[Stann]

People have total misunderstanding of what CO2 is or where it came from.

Mammals’ inhale O2
Mammals’ exhale CO2
Fish inhale O2
Fish exhale CO2
Birds inhale O2
Birds exhale CO2
Trees and other similar forms of life inhale C02 and exhale O2

This is the cycle of life

View attachment 549272



It takes six molecules of CO2 to produce one molecule of glucose by photosynthesis, and six molecules of oxygen are released as a by-product. A glucose molecule contains six carbon atoms, so that’s a net gain of one molecule of oxygen for every atom of carbon added to the tree. A mature sycamore tree might be around 12m tall and weigh two tonnes, including the roots and leaves. If it grows by five per cent each year, it will produce around 100kg of wood, of which 38kg will be carbon. Allowing for the relative molecular weights of oxygen and carbon, this equates to 100kg of oxygen per tree per year.

A human breathes about 9.5 tonnes of air in a year, but oxygen only makes up about 23 per cent of that air, by mass, and we only extract a little over a third of the oxygen from each breath. That works out to a total of about 740kg of oxygen per year. Which is, very roughly, seven or eight trees’ worth.

How many trees does it take to produce oxygen for one person? - BBC Science Focus Magazine

The real health hazard is diesel fuel.
Diesel engines burn oxygen just like gas cars but but what they both produce is deadly different.

Burning Gasoline produces C02
Burning Diesel produces CO, which is deadly if you breath it.
Carbon monoxide poisoning typically occurs from breathing in carbon monoxide (CO) at excessive levels. Symptoms are often described as "flu-like" and commonly include headache, dizziness, weakness, vomiting, chest pain, and confusion. large exposures can result in loss of consciousness, arrhythmias, seizures, or death. The classically described "cherry red skin" rarely occurs Long-term complications may include chronic fatigue, trouble with memory, and movement problems.

Carbon monoxide poisoning - Wikipedia

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You're missing the whole point the CO2 levels are off the charts because of mankind's use ( overuse and reliance ) of fossil fuels, and the earth's normal response to CO2 is overwhelmed.

 

[watchingfromafar]

Also in Texas last year, all sorts of screw up happened at the electric plant and substations, that left many without power.

Lebanon hit by electricity outage expected to last several days

Country’s two biggest power stations stop operating because of fuel shortage

Lebanon has no electricity after the country’s two biggest power stations shut down because of a fuel shortage, a government official has said.

The power outage will continue for a few days, the official added.

“The Lebanese power network completely stopped working at noon today, and it is unlikely that it will work until next Monday, or for several days,” the official said.
Lebanon hit by electricity outage expected to last several days
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[Donald H]

If only we lived in an ideal world.
This is a pointless discussion. Diesel exhaust is deadly to humans as is sulfur dioxide, Carbon Monoxide, Nitrogen oxides and sulfur dioxide.

Sulfur dioxide (SO2) is generated from the sulfur present in diesel fuel.
Carbon monoxide (CO), hydrocarbons (HC), and aldehydes are generated in the exhaust as the result of incomplete combustion of fuel
Nitrogen oxides (NOx) are generated from nitrogen and oxygen under the high pressure and temperature conditions in the engine cylinder.
Sulfur dioxide (SO2) is generated from the sulfur present in diesel fuel.
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No, and you might just as well learn something from this. Diesel engines don't produce a significant amount of CO.
And as you have attempted to deflect away from admitting you're wrong, then yes, there are other noxious gases produced by a diesel engine. But not in quantities that would cause any party to attempt to gas others to death with a diesel exhaust.

 

[Flopper]

That's great as long as you are telling the TRUTH.

Well we have about a maximum of 50 years left to save the planet after that it won't be worth saving.

I disagree, the planet is not going to die in 50 years. What is going to happen is life is going to get harder, more and more of our resources are going to be used to deal with the results of climate change. Over the next hundred years we are likely to see significant increases in seal levels forcing us to rebuild most of our coast cities further inland. Hurricanes and tornadoes will increase in strength and number. Most our wheat production and corn will move north, possibly into Canada as temperatures and rain patterns change. Russia will become the new breadbasket of the world as it becomes the largest producer wheat and other grains. Forest fires will spread further east in the US requiring a major increases in resources needed to fight forest fires. Many species will become extinct such as Polar Bears, to toads to seat turtles to staghorn coral to North Atlantic Cod which will have both foreseen and unforeseen effects on the environment and man.

However, the planet will continue in it's orbit around sun, days will still be 24 hours, the sun will rise and set as it has for hundreds of millions of years. And yes, man's life will continue, although far different than we might expect today.

 

[Flopper]

That's great as long as you are telling the TRUTH.

In the tens years I have been posting on this board, I have never seen anyone reverse their opinion on any of the major issues due to a convincing argument. Occasionally someone may concede a point but even that is fairly rare. If your posts change any opinions it's not likely to be the people you are replying to

 

[Stann]

I disagree, the planet is not going to die in 50 years. What is going to happen is life is going to get harder, more and more of our resources are going to be used to deal with the results of climate change. Over the next hundred years we are likely to see significant increases in seal levels forcing us to rebuild most of our coast cities further inland. Hurricanes and tornadoes will increase in strength and number. Most our wheat production and corn will move north, possibly into Canada as temperatures and rain patterns change. Russia will become the new breadbasket of the world as it becomes the largest producer wheat and other grains. Forest fires will spread further east in the US requiring a major increases in resources needed to fight forest fires. Many species will become extinct such as Polar Bears, to toads to seat turtles to staghorn coral to North Atlantic Cod which will have both foreseen and unforeseen effects on the environment and man.

However, the planet will continue in it's orbit around sun, days will still be 24 hours, the sun will rise and set as it has for hundreds of millions of years. And yes, man's life will continue, although far different than we might expect today.

The change that is already coming is not condusive to the well being of human beings. If it gets any worse it will be more impossible to survive. Human beings always prefer to flourish, it will demoralize the human spirit.