Zone1 is the church built upon Peter? HELL NO

[BS Filter]

You haven’t been properly baptized yet into the Lord’s kingdom on earth. So, he doesn’t know you yet.

Really? I was baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit as Jesus instructed in Matthew 28. You're a liar.

 

[Cougarbear]

Really? I was baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit as Jesus instructed in Matthew 28. You're a liar.

You think you were baptized. But, you were deceived by one with no authority to do so. So, Jesus will say “I never knew you.”

 

[BS Filter]

You think you were baptized. But, you were deceived by one with no authority to do so. So, Jesus will say “I never knew you.”

You're still playing God.

 

[Cougarbear]

You're still playing God.

I’m just following the Bible.

 

[BS Filter]

I’m just following the Bible.

Bullshit.

 

[Cougarbear]

Bullshit.

That is not a statement of anyone with the spirit of Christ. This means my statement is true. I know, the devil made you do it

 

[BS Filter]

That is not a statement of anyone with the spirit of Christ. This means my statement is true. I know, the devil made you do it

Playing God again.

 

[Cougarbear]

Playing God again.

If you can’t recognize a contentious rant that is of the devil, then I’m simply preaching to you the word of God.

 

[BS Filter]

If you can’t recognize a contentious rant that is of the devil, then I’m simply preaching to you the word of God.

I can tell what's of the devil. You're preaching a false gospel.

 

[Cougarbear]

I can tell what's of the devil. You're preaching a false gospel.

It’s not false. It’s all true.

 

[BS Filter]

It’s not false. It’s all true.

I'm positive you believe that.

 

[Cougarbear]

I'm positive you believe that.

The Holy Ghost has born witness to me that it is all true.

 

[BS Filter]

The Holy Ghost has born witness to me that it is all true.

You felt a burning in your bosom? Are you sure it wasn't the pepperoni pizza?

 

[Cougarbear]

You felt a burning in your bosom? Are you sure it wasn't the pepperoni pizza?

The Bible says I should feel a burning in my bosom. Should I not believe the Bible now?
Do you know where the bosom is on your body? Apparently not.

 

[BS Filter]

The Bible says I should feel a burning in my bosom. Should I not believe the Bible now?
Do you know where the bosom is on your body? Apparently not.

The Bible also says when the Holy Spirit comes upon you that you will speak in tongues. Did you speak in tongues?

 

[Cougarbear]

The Bible also says when the Holy Spirit comes upon you that you will speak in tongues. Did you speak in tongues?

No it doesn’t. Some have the gift of tongues which doesn’t mean babblings. That’s occult priestcraft stuff. The gift of tongues is the ability to converse with others of a different language. Your magic babblings aren’t of the Holy Ghost.

 

[Mashmont]

A 2000-year unbroken line of popes leading back to St. Peter surviving many tumultuous eras. It's hard to get better proof than that.

Guys, everything in the RCC is rooted in logic and it all works. It's teachings, Purgatory, its position on birth control and abortion, you name it. Jesus Christ was the founder of the Church. Every one of the Protestant faiths was founded by mortal men, all of them sinful, and that's why these other faiths fail in the end. So many Protestant faiths are fading into oblivion. Truth perseveres. Falsity doesn't. Atheism of course is the most abysmal failure of all.

 

[ninja007]

A 2000-year unbroken line of popes leading back to St. Peter surviving many tumultuous eras. It's hard to get better proof than that.

Guys, everything in the RCC is rooted in logic and it all works. It's teachings, Purgatory, its position on birth control and abortion, you name it. Jesus Christ was the founder of the Church. Every one of the Protestant faiths was founded by mortal men, all of them sinful, and that's why these other faiths fail in the end. So many Protestant faiths are fading into oblivion. Truth perseveres. Falsity doesn't. Atheism of course is the most abysmal failure of all.

On the contrary. Even a cursory reading of the New Testament will reveal that the Catholic Church does not have its origin in the teachings of Jesus or His apostles. In the New Testament, there is no mention of the papacy, worship/adoration of Mary (or the immaculate conception of Mary, the perpetual virginity of Mary, the assumption of Mary, or Mary as co-redemptrix and mediatrix), petitioning saints in heaven for their prayers, apostolic succession, the ordinances of the church functioning as sacraments, infant baptism, confession of sin to a priest, purgatory, indulgences, or the equal authority of church tradition and Scripture. So, if the origin of the Catholic Church is not in the teachings of Jesus and His apostles, as recorded in the New Testament, what is the true origin of the Catholic Church?

For the first 280 years of Christian history, Christianity was banned by the Roman Empire, and Christians were terribly persecuted. This changed after the “conversion” of the Roman Emperor Constantine. Constantine provided religious toleration with the Edict of Milan in AD 313, effectively lifting the ban on Christianity. Later, in AD 325, Constantine called the Council of Nicea in an attempt to unify Christianity. Constantine envisioned Christianity as a religion that could unite the Roman Empire, which at that time was beginning to fragment and divide. While this may have seemed to be a positive development for the Christian church, the results were anything but positive. Just as Constantine refused to fully embrace the Christian faith but continued many of his pagan beliefs and practices, so the Christian church that Constantine and his successors promoted progressively became a mixture of true Christianity and Roman paganism.

Following are a few examples:

Most Roman Catholic beliefs and practices regarding Mary are completely absent from the Bible. Where did those beliefs come from? The Roman Catholic view of Mary has far more in common with the Isis mother-goddess religion of Egypt than it does with anything taught in the New Testament. Interestingly, the first hints of Catholic Mariology occur in the writings of Origen, who lived in Alexandria, Egypt, which happened to be the focal point of Isis worship.

The Lord’s Supper being a consumption of the literal body and blood of Jesus is not taught in the Bible. The idea that bread and wine are miraculously transformed into the literal body and blood of Jesus (transubstantiation) is not biblical. However, several ancient pagan religions, including Mithraism, which was very popular in the Roman Empire, had some form of “theophagy” (the eating of one’s god) as a ritualistic practice.

Roman Catholicism has “saints” one can pray to in order to gain a particular blessing. For example, Saint Gianna Beretta Molla is the patron saint of fertility. Francis of Assisi is the patron saint of animals. There are multiple patron saints of healing and comfort. Nowhere is even a hint of this taught in Scripture. Just as the Roman pantheon of gods had a god of love, a god of peace, a god of war, a god of strength, a god of wisdom, etc., so the Catholic Church has a saint who is “in charge” over each of these and many other categories. Many Roman cities had a god specific to the city, and the Catholic Church provided “patron saints” for cities as well.

The idea that the Roman bishop is the vicar of Christ, the supreme leader of the Christian Church, is utterly foreign to the Word of God. The supremacy of the Roman bishop (the papacy) was created with the support of the Roman emperors. While most other bishops (and Christians) resisted the idea of the Roman bishop being supreme, the Roman bishop eventually rose to supremacy, again, due to the power and influence of the Roman emperors. After the western half of the Roman Empire collapsed, the popes took on the title that had previously belonged to the Roman emperors—Pontifex Maximus.

Many more examples could be given. These four should suffice in demonstrating the origin of the Catholic Church. Of course, the Roman Catholic Church denies the pagan origin of its beliefs and practices. The Catholic Church disguises its pagan beliefs under layers of complicated theology and church tradition. Recognizing that many of its beliefs and practices are utterly foreign to Scripture, the Catholic Church is forced to deny the authority and sufficiency of Scripture.

 

[Mashmont]

On the contrary. Even a cursory reading of the New Testament will reveal that the Catholic Church does not have its origin in the teachings of Jesus or His apostles. In the New Testament, there is no mention of the papacy, worship/adoration of Mary (or the immaculate conception of Mary, the perpetual virginity of Mary, the assumption of Mary, or Mary as co-redemptrix and mediatrix), petitioning saints in heaven for their prayers, apostolic succession, the ordinances of the church functioning as sacraments, infant baptism, confession of sin to a priest, purgatory, indulgences, or the equal authority of church tradition and Scripture. So, if the origin of the Catholic Church is not in the teachings of Jesus and His apostles, as recorded in the New Testament, what is the true origin of the Catholic Church?

For the first 280 years of Christian history, Christianity was banned by the Roman Empire, and Christians were terribly persecuted. This changed after the “conversion” of the Roman Emperor Constantine. Constantine provided religious toleration with the Edict of Milan in AD 313, effectively lifting the ban on Christianity. Later, in AD 325, Constantine called the Council of Nicea in an attempt to unify Christianity. Constantine envisioned Christianity as a religion that could unite the Roman Empire, which at that time was beginning to fragment and divide. While this may have seemed to be a positive development for the Christian church, the results were anything but positive. Just as Constantine refused to fully embrace the Christian faith but continued many of his pagan beliefs and practices, so the Christian church that Constantine and his successors promoted progressively became a mixture of true Christianity and Roman paganism.

Following are a few examples:

Most Roman Catholic beliefs and practices regarding Mary are completely absent from the Bible. Where did those beliefs come from? The Roman Catholic view of Mary has far more in common with the Isis mother-goddess religion of Egypt than it does with anything taught in the New Testament. Interestingly, the first hints of Catholic Mariology occur in the writings of Origen, who lived in Alexandria, Egypt, which happened to be the focal point of Isis worship.

The Lord’s Supper being a consumption of the literal body and blood of Jesus is not taught in the Bible. The idea that bread and wine are miraculously transformed into the literal body and blood of Jesus (transubstantiation) is not biblical. However, several ancient pagan religions, including Mithraism, which was very popular in the Roman Empire, had some form of “theophagy” (the eating of one’s god) as a ritualistic practice.

Roman Catholicism has “saints” one can pray to in order to gain a particular blessing. For example, Saint Gianna Beretta Molla is the patron saint of fertility. Francis of Assisi is the patron saint of animals. There are multiple patron saints of healing and comfort. Nowhere is even a hint of this taught in Scripture. Just as the Roman pantheon of gods had a god of love, a god of peace, a god of war, a god of strength, a god of wisdom, etc., so the Catholic Church has a saint who is “in charge” over each of these and many other categories. Many Roman cities had a god specific to the city, and the Catholic Church provided “patron saints” for cities as well.

The idea that the Roman bishop is the vicar of Christ, the supreme leader of the Christian Church, is utterly foreign to the Word of God. The supremacy of the Roman bishop (the papacy) was created with the support of the Roman emperors. While most other bishops (and Christians) resisted the idea of the Roman bishop being supreme, the Roman bishop eventually rose to supremacy, again, due to the power and influence of the Roman emperors. After the western half of the Roman Empire collapsed, the popes took on the title that had previously belonged to the Roman emperors—Pontifex Maximus.

Many more examples could be given. These four should suffice in demonstrating the origin of the Catholic Church. Of course, the Roman Catholic Church denies the pagan origin of its beliefs and practices. The Catholic Church disguises its pagan beliefs under layers of complicated theology and church tradition. Recognizing that many of its beliefs and practices are utterly foreign to Scripture, the Catholic Church is forced to deny the authority and sufficiency of Scripture.

The Bible says Mary should be honored. Purgatory is mentioned in the Bible. Protestants changed the basic teachings of the church quite often to suit their personal desires.

 

[hadit]

The Bible says Mary should be honored. Purgatory is mentioned in the Bible. Protestants changed the basic teachings of the church quite often to suit their personal desires.

"Honored" does not mean prayed to, it does not mean revered, it means respected and honored. It also does not mean she is divine or is enabled to hear millions of prayers offered simultaneously every single day and do something with them. Purgatory is not mentioned in the Bible, what is mentioned is a place where the dead waited until Christ came to preach to them. We don't go there now because He's opened the door directly to God. The teachings of the Church are not necessarily the teachings of Christ, and where they conflict, the teachings of Christ have priority.