Is Texas in Play?

[rightwinger]

And they are already getting those services. Texas is not some country in eastern Mongolia. Those cities and even Texas small towns have the same services as any in America.
So what the hell are you rattling on about? They have sewer, water, trash pickup, police, fire, electricity, they have fast food chains, fine dining and everything else.

Then they should have no problem voting for Republicans
Problem with Republicans is they insist on austerity and don’t invest in the community
Newcomers want better schools, transportation, parks, recreation

 

[Maxdeath]

Frankly we need the labor
We used to allow migrants to freely move back and forth over the border. Then we got tough on immigration and it became a one way ticket

We need to provide work visas, allow people to work, go home, come back……PAY TAXES

One way ticket? Do you have any idea what you are talking about? There are numbers that come over every day. There are those that come and spend months or years then go back. Some do a year leave for a few years and once they are low on money come back in.
There are those that do not have citizenship that have tax payer ID numbers that work and pay taxes.
The biggest problem a number of people have is with the ones that come across the border that we have no idea who they are, where they are going, but are clogging up hospital waiting rooms and not paying for care, that are standing in food lines, that work on a daily basis but get paid under the table, etc.
Why are we expected to spend tax dollars on them instead of our vets, our homeless and our poor?

 

[Maxdeath]

Then they should have no problem voting for Republicans
Problem with Republicans is they insist on austerity and don’t invest in the community
Newcomers want better schools, transportation, parks, recreation

Your problem is you have no idea what you are talking about. But you sure want to paint Republicans and Democrats with a wide brush.

 

[rightwinger]

Your problem is you have no idea what you are talking about. But you sure want to paint Republicans and Democrats with a wide brush.

I have never lived in Texas but have spent several months there on business
I watch local news where school districts will pay $30 million plus on a Football Stadium but have no money to upgrade computers systems or pay teacher salaries

 

[jotathought]

I would prefer that they not be illegal
That we give them temporary work visas, have them earn a legal wage and pay taxes

What's the worst case scenario in the market that illegals fill if the United States doesn't make them illegal by deporting them?

 

[Maxdeath]

I have never lived in Texas but have spent several months there on business
I watch local news where school districts will pay $30 million on a Football Stadium but have no money to upgrade computers systems or pay teacher salaries

First of all I have been in every state and I still remember well what California looked like thirty years ago. I thought the state was great, not so much anymore.

Let me paint a picture for you. What Californians really want is falling apart roads, a high speed rail that is not complete and goes nowhere, they want larger homeless camps and people crapping on the streets. They want drag queens and others in grade schools explaining that children need to experience gay sex and the best ways to have that sex. They want companies and corporations to move out of the state so there are less jobs. They want the price of a home to be unaffordable for most of the population. They want the state to be farther in debt then the state they left because that proves their ideas are working.

I do not really believe what I just wrote while painting with a wide brush. But unlike what you have written so far everyone of the policies and projects I included are real and not imagined

 

[Zincwarrior]

I have never lived in Texas but have spent several months there on business
I watch local news where school districts will pay $30 million plus on a Football Stadium but have no money to upgrade computers systems or pay teacher salaries

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Hey, stadiums are important!

 

[frigidweirdo]

The California expats are mostly voting democrat. While the largest part of Texans vote Republican. So as you say it does not matter where they live they are voting the same.
The influx of Californians is slowly turning parts of Texas blue. Some Texans see that as a problem since they are voting for much of the same types of laws that they fled

What I mean is that when a California goes to Texas, their vote should count the same regardless of where they live. This is Proportional Representation.

 

[Maxdeath]

What I mean is that when a California goes to Texas, their vote should count the same regardless of where they live. This is Proportional Representation.

They have the same vote strength as anyone else in Texas. Just like they do in New York, California, Montana or any other state. Do not understand how you somehow think that their vote is less. The fact they are voting democrat in a mostly Republican state does not matter

 

[frigidweirdo]

They have the same vote strength as anyone else in Texas. Just like they do in New York, California, Montana or any other state. Do not understand how you somehow think that their vote is less. The fact they are voting democrat in a mostly Republican state does not matter

The whole electoral system is crap. There's no way to make it look better. It's barely democracy.

How many people will vote knowing their vote doesn't count?

73,000 in Wyoming, 235,000 in West Virginia, 115,000 in North Dakota, 500,000 in Oklahoma, 287,000 in Idaho, 423,000 in Arkansas, 150,000 in South Dakota, 770,000 in Kentucky, 850,000 in Alabama, 1.1 million in Tennessee, 560,000 in Utah, 856,000 in Louisiana, 244,000 in Montana, 1.2 million in Indiana.

Indiana voted Obama in 2008... so maybe we stop there. How many people are there, and that's just states which are certain to vote Republican. I could do the same for Democratic states. That's 7 million people there already.

And I haven't even spoken about the people who don't want to vote either party.

 

[Maxdeath]

The whole electoral system is crap. There's no way to make it look better. It's barely democracy.

How many people will vote knowing their vote doesn't count?

73,000 in Wyoming, 235,000 in West Virginia, 115,000 in North Dakota, 500,000 in Oklahoma, 287,000 in Idaho, 423,000 in Arkansas, 150,000 in South Dakota, 770,000 in Kentucky, 850,000 in Alabama, 1.1 million in Tennessee, 560,000 in Utah, 856,000 in Louisiana, 244,000 in Montana, 1.2 million in Indiana.

Indiana voted Obama in 2008... so maybe we stop there. How many people are there, and that's just states which are certain to vote Republican. I could do the same for Democratic states. That's 7 million people there already.

And I haven't even spoken about the people who don't want to vote either party.

And yet you seem to over look a few facts.
One is that there are more people in New York City than the whole state of Wyoming. So if most of thay city vote the whole population of Wyoming might as well not even bother. They barely have a voice as it is now.
How many democrats in Los Angeles, San Diego and San Francisco? How many states would those cities cancel out?
While our current system is not perfect it at least gives voters a chance to feel their vote matters.
I understand that democrats would be celebrating if we did away with our current system because it would assure one party rule and independents and republicans would at best be second class citizens with no onein government unless they could keep majorities in the House and the senate. Though I think we both know that if they ever lost those majorities the Democrats would push through a set of measures to ensure that they never held a House or Senate majority again.

 

[rightwinger]

And yet you seem to over look a few facts.
One is that there are more people in New York City than the whole state of Wyoming. So if most of thay city vote the whole population of Wyoming might as well not even bother. They barely have a voice as it is now.
How many democrats in Los Angeles, San Diego and San Francisco? How many states would those cities cancel out?
While our current system is not perfect it at least gives voters a chance to feel their vote matters.
I understand that democrats would be celebrating if we did away with our current system because it would assure one party rule and independents and republicans would at best be second class citizens with no onein government unless they could keep majorities in the House and the senate. Though I think we both know that if they ever lost those majorities the Democrats would push through a set of measures to ensure that they never held a House or Senate majority again.

Why should the vote of someone in Wyoming count more than the vote of someone in California?
Right now, it counts three times more

 

[Maxdeath]

Why should the vote of someone in Wyoming count more than the vote of someone in California?
Right now, it counts three times more

What the hell are you drunk still. Wyoming has three one of the lowest in all states.

 

[rightwinger]

What the hell are you drunk still. Wyoming has three one of the lowest in all states.

Wyoming has 3 EVs for its 600,000 residents
I EV for every 200,000 residents

California has 54 EVs for its 40 million residents
1 EV for every 740,000 residents

 

[Maxdeath]

Wyoming has 3 EVs for its 600,000 residents
I EV for every 200,000 residents

California has 54 EVs for its 40 million residents
1 EV for every 740,000 residents

So you think they should have what 700,000 EVs? They have the most in the country. 54 is enough to cancel out almost 15 states.
So if they vote democrat 15 states that vote Republican are out. So that gives the rest of the states the right to say who will be the president.

 

[frigidweirdo]

And yet you seem to over look a few facts.
One is that there are more people in New York City than the whole state of Wyoming. So if most of thay city vote the whole population of Wyoming might as well not even bother. They barely have a voice as it is now.
How many democrats in Los Angeles, San Diego and San Francisco? How many states would those cities cancel out?
While our current system is not perfect it at least gives voters a chance to feel their vote matters.
I understand that democrats would be celebrating if we did away with our current system because it would assure one party rule and independents and republicans would at best be second class citizens with no onein government unless they could keep majorities in the House and the senate. Though I think we both know that if they ever lost those majorities the Democrats would push through a set of measures to ensure that they never held a House or Senate majority again.

Let's do per capita power.

Wyoming has three electors in the Presidential election.

That's one elector per 192,000 people, or 92,255 per voter (in 2020)

California has 55 electors.

That's one per 709,000 people, or 309,000 per voter (in 2020)

That's a huge difference.

With PR it wouldn't matter, every vote would be counted equally.

The problem with your argument is that it's not based on reality. In Germany they have PR. One state has 21% of the population of the country and doesn't control the country in any way. The cities don't control everything, because people don't vote based on cities. There are no city parties.

They have traditional left, traditional right parties who are the main two, then center right, further right, green left, further left for six political parties that are viable. People vote based on policies.

Wyoming at the Presidential election gets ignored. Why? Because they KNOW they're voting Republican, so why put any effort into it?

And what are their policies designed to attract countryside voters? Insults from Trump's part, nothing from Kamala's part.

Wow, insults make crops grow, make them cost more huh?

 

[lennypartiv]

In 2012, Romney beat Obama in Texas by +16
In 2016, Trump beat Hillary in Texas by +9
In 2020, Trump beat Biden in Texas by +5

This proves Vance is right about the cat ladies.

 

[Maxdeath]

Let's do per capita power.

Wyoming has three electors in the Presidential election.

That's one elector per 192,000 people, or 92,255 per voter (in 2020)

California has 55 electors.

That's one per 709,000 people, or 309,000 per voter (in 2020)

That's a huge difference.

With PR it wouldn't matter, every vote would be counted equally.

The problem with your argument is that it's not based on reality. In Germany they have PR. One state has 21% of the population of the country and doesn't control the country in any way. The cities don't control everything, because people don't vote based on cities. There are no city parties.

They have traditional left, traditional right parties who are the main two, then center right, further right, green left, further left for six political parties that are viable. People vote based on policies.

Wyoming at the Presidential election gets ignored. Why? Because they KNOW they're voting Republican, so why put any effort into it?

And what are their policies designed to attract countryside voters? Insults from Trump's part, nothing from Kamala's part.

Wow, insults make crops grow, make them cost more huh?

Why not just become the next Germany? All you talk about is how Germany is so much better.
The real problem I have with changing it is that if it is changed in any way democrats will work to get it to make sure they are the only ones that will ever have any power. If you think I am making it up just look at the way they constantly talk about packing the Supreme Court.
I also have a problem with trying to emulate Germany as I am not a big fan of concentration camps and all they entailed.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Why not just become the next Germany? All you talk about is how Germany is so much better.
The real problem I have with changing it is that if it is changed in any way democrats will work to get it to make sure they are the only ones that will ever have any power. If you think I am making it up just look at the way they constantly talk about packing the Supreme Court.
I also have a problem with trying to emulate Germany as I am not a big fan of concentration camps and all they entailed.

Seriously? The attitude of people.

You have lots of different political systems in this world. You can look at other systems and see how much better or worse they work, they you could decide you want that system.

Your attitude is "I'm ignorant, and I like it that way" (obviously said in best redneck voice)

Germany is the best example because Germany has PR and FPTP and they vote on the same day. So we can see the clear differences of what happens when people vote with different systems.

But you just stick you head in the sand and whenever someone tries to educated you, you just talk complete and utter fucking shit. No wonder someone like Trump does well in the US when people are so fucking ignorant.

 

[OKTexas]

Probably not, but it is getting closer

With Biden running, Trump was +9
With Harris it is down to +5

Ted Cruz seemed headed for an easy victory +10
Now he leads by just +2

Texas: Trump vs. Harris vs. Kennedy vs. Stein vs. Oliver | RealClearPolling

Texas: Trump vs. Harris vs. Kennedy vs. Stein vs. Oliver | RealClearPolling

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2024 Texas Senate - Cruz vs. Allred | RealClearPolling

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And both tend to out preform the polls.

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