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Your question is too vague along with YOUR definition of socialism....apparently.
Nothing gets by you.
Your present avatar certainly doesn't..
It is pretty sweet. But I might have to change it soon. I'm starting to develop a complex about it being the only reason anyone talks to me anymore.
No, taxation is not socialism. taxaction itself does not define socialism.
You are not making a valid argument. Taxation itself is not soicalism. How those taxes are utilized begin to follow socialistic patterns. Rasing taxes in itself is not socialism. Rasing taxes to redistribute the weath is.No, taxation is not socialism. taxaction itself does not define socialism.
So..um..taxation isn't socialist..hmm..
So raising taxes? Socialism?
Or no taxes? Socialism?
So taxes used to promote a military isn't socialism?
Militias are a tried and tested failure.
guys with guns are no match for trained soldiers.
So Socialism works?
Well at least when it comes to the military?
You are not making a valid argument. Taxation itself is not soicalism. How those taxes are utilized begin to follow socialistic patterns. Rasing taxes in itself is not socialism. Rasing taxes to redistribute the weath is.No, taxation is not socialism. taxaction itself does not define socialism.
So..um..taxation isn't socialist..hmm..
So raising taxes? Socialism?
Or no taxes? Socialism?
If you are trying to make a point stop trying to make it with a limited statement you can spin as you please. You're just wasting everyone time here.
Because taxation being socialistic would have to benefit those actually paying the taxes. Not Haiti, Zaire, Iran, Iraq.......that list goes on and on and on........ the banks and damn sure not IsNtReal.So, two here think it's not socialism?
How would you explain that?
Seriously.
SO.
Take every nickel you idiots pay in and keep it all at home. EVERY NICKEL and use it only within the US.No more corporate subsidies, no more bailouts. Your money used to benefit YOU.
Socialism.
Ya know. Schools,libraries, free internet, new infrastructure, health care, small business loans. All of the things murkins hate.
Not exactly.
Socialism sorta works on the theory that many hands make light work.
Taxes are a price we pay for living in a civilized society.
If living in a civilized society = socialism, then I guess taxes are socialistic.
Militias are a tried and tested failure.
guys with guns are no match for trained soldiers.
So Socialism works?
Well at least when it comes to the military?
No.
and
see below
Lets be a little clear. By military, do you mean defense spending or the military itself?
Welfare, "The War on Poverty"; when this started we had about 12% of Americans in poverty. 80 years later about 12% of Americans live in poverty. Mostly blacks that live generation to genration on welfare. Many are afraid to lose thier benefits if they get a job that pays to much. And trust me, bridging that gap is not easy.
Welfare keeps minorities poor.
So that's a failure of socialism.
Education grants and loans. Remember when people used to say; "I worked my way through college" or "I put myself through college."? You can't do that anymore. Why? B/c colleges know that they can charge whatever they want and the Fed will cough up 1/2 in a grant and give a loan for the other 1/2.
It keeps the poor, poor with heavy loans that have to get paid back whether they get a good job or not.
Minimum wage. Total face plant. But that's another thread.
When you get right down to it, 99.99% of people support at least some socialistic policies, regardless of whether than can mentally come to grips with it. The differences of opinion lie in prioritization, scope and efficacy.
Because taxation being socialistic would have to benefit those actually paying the taxes. Not Haiti, Zaire, Iran, Iraq.......that list goes on and on and on........ the banks and damn sure not IsNtReal.So, two here think it's not socialism?
How would you explain that?
Seriously.
SO.
Take every nickel you idiots pay in and keep it all at home. EVERY NICKEL and use it only within the US.No more corporate subsidies, no more bailouts. Your money used to benefit YOU.
Socialism.
Ya know. Schools,libraries, free internet, new infrastructure, health care, small business loans. All of the things murkins hate.
Not exactly.
Socialism sorta works on the theory that many hands make light work.
So Socialism works?
Well at least when it comes to the military?
No.
and
see below
Lets be a little clear. By military, do you mean defense spending or the military itself?
Welfare, "The War on Poverty"; when this started we had about 12% of Americans in poverty. 80 years later about 12% of Americans live in poverty. Mostly blacks that live generation to genration on welfare. Many are afraid to lose thier benefits if they get a job that pays to much. And trust me, bridging that gap is not easy.
Welfare keeps minorities poor.
So that's a failure of socialism.
Education grants and loans. Remember when people used to say; "I worked my way through college" or "I put myself through college."? You can't do that anymore. Why? B/c colleges know that they can charge whatever they want and the Fed will cough up 1/2 in a grant and give a loan for the other 1/2.
It keeps the poor, poor with heavy loans that have to get paid back whether they get a good job or not.
Minimum wage. Total face plant. But that's another thread.
To your first point..defense spending and our present military are very socialistic.
To your second point..the war on poverty has been in a very large part sucessful. What it meant to be "poor" when I was growing up in this country..is vastly different what it means to be "poor" today. More "minorities" hold more high paying positions, and positions in government then at any time in our nation's history. That's a pretty good benchmark.
To your third point, see above. There are more people with college degrees as well.
It's silly to say Socialism is a failure. It's also silly to say that a government should become totally socialistic. My general preference..and it seems that this is become the world's preference, is a blend of the two. What's the right mixture?
That's still anyone's guess.
No.
and
see below
Lets be a little clear. By military, do you mean defense spending or the military itself?
Welfare, "The War on Poverty"; when this started we had about 12% of Americans in poverty. 80 years later about 12% of Americans live in poverty. Mostly blacks that live generation to genration on welfare. Many are afraid to lose thier benefits if they get a job that pays to much. And trust me, bridging that gap is not easy.
Welfare keeps minorities poor.
So that's a failure of socialism.
Education grants and loans. Remember when people used to say; "I worked my way through college" or "I put myself through college."? You can't do that anymore. Why? B/c colleges know that they can charge whatever they want and the Fed will cough up 1/2 in a grant and give a loan for the other 1/2.
It keeps the poor, poor with heavy loans that have to get paid back whether they get a good job or not.
Minimum wage. Total face plant. But that's another thread.
To your first point..defense spending and our present military are very socialistic.
To your second point..the war on poverty has been in a very large part sucessful. What it meant to be "poor" when I was growing up in this country..is vastly different what it means to be "poor" today. More "minorities" hold more high paying positions, and positions in government then at any time in our nation's history. That's a pretty good benchmark.
To your third point, see above. There are more people with college degrees as well.
It's silly to say Socialism is a failure. It's also silly to say that a government should become totally socialistic. My general preference..and it seems that this is become the world's preference, is a blend of the two. What's the right mixture?
That's still anyone's guess.
Then government as a whole is socialistic.
As far as welfare goes, the numbers are on my side on this. 2008 72% of black kids were born w/o a father around.
And you still can not work your way through college any more.
To your first point..defense spending and our present military are very socialistic.
To your second point..the war on poverty has been in a very large part sucessful. What it meant to be "poor" when I was growing up in this country..is vastly different what it means to be "poor" today. More "minorities" hold more high paying positions, and positions in government then at any time in our nation's history. That's a pretty good benchmark.
To your third point, see above. There are more people with college degrees as well.
It's silly to say Socialism is a failure. It's also silly to say that a government should become totally socialistic. My general preference..and it seems that this is become the world's preference, is a blend of the two. What's the right mixture?
That's still anyone's guess.
Then government as a whole is socialistic.
As far as welfare goes, the numbers are on my side on this. 2008 72% of black kids were born w/o a father around.
And you still can not work your way through college any more.
True that! Week before last my son and I went to a two day student/parent orientation at his university for him to enroll in his freshman year. In one of the sessions put on by the finacial folks at the school, they made it clear that while a student can certainly work and help pay for their college, the days of a student being able to work part time and pay their own way thru college is gone. I printed out tuition sheets from 2004/2005 thru 2010/2011 and on average, tuition for 30 hours per year increases about $550 per year. I didn't put a pencil to room and board, but it increase each year too. A year of college at his university will run about $16 to $17,000 per year this year. If tuition increases keep pace, the year he graduates it will be $18 to $19,000 per year.
It's tough being an upper middle class white male when it comes to scholarships. My son was a 4.00 honor student and graduated 33 out of 459. The best he could get was a $1000 per semester merit scholarship, which means we are on the hook for the additional $14,000 per year. If he were a female, a minority or we made less that $50,000 per year, he could get much, much more money for school. But, we've always paid our way and don't expect someone else to do it for us. It just kind of torques me that my tax dollars are funding kids with low grades, kids whose parents pay far less than me in tax dollars and kids who are a different gender or color than paying for my own child.
Then government as a whole is socialistic.
As far as welfare goes, the numbers are on my side on this. 2008 72% of black kids were born w/o a father around.
And you still can not work your way through college any more.
True that! Week before last my son and I went to a two day student/parent orientation at his university for him to enroll in his freshman year. In one of the sessions put on by the finacial folks at the school, they made it clear that while a student can certainly work and help pay for their college, the days of a student being able to work part time and pay their own way thru college is gone. I printed out tuition sheets from 2004/2005 thru 2010/2011 and on average, tuition for 30 hours per year increases about $550 per year. I didn't put a pencil to room and board, but it increase each year too. A year of college at his university will run about $16 to $17,000 per year this year. If tuition increases keep pace, the year he graduates it will be $18 to $19,000 per year.
It's tough being an upper middle class white male when it comes to scholarships. My son was a 4.00 honor student and graduated 33 out of 459. The best he could get was a $1000 per semester merit scholarship, which means we are on the hook for the additional $14,000 per year. If he were a female, a minority or we made less that $50,000 per year, he could get much, much more money for school. But, we've always paid our way and don't expect someone else to do it for us. It just kind of torques me that my tax dollars are funding kids with low grades, kids whose parents pay far less than me in tax dollars and kids who are a different gender or color than paying for my own child.
Apparently you can afford what they cannot.
Anywho, there are many local colleges where students can live at home and tuition is affordable.