Is Murder Against The Law? Or......

[PoliticalChic]

..... does it depend upon who is being charged with the crime?

How about plain ol' killing?




1. There is no doubt that this nation is hardly the same one imagined, and created by our Founders.

a. 'A famous line in our nation's history, incorporated into the Massachusetts Constitution in 1780, says that "it may be a government of laws, and not of men." The author of this passage was John Adams,America's second president.'
A Government of Laws, Not of Men - CURE
www.urbancure.org/mbarticle.asp?id=610
Star Parker

b. And even earlier, the pamphleteer, Thomas Paine wrote:"in America, the law is King. For as in absolute governments the king is law, so in free countriesthe law ought to be king; and there ought to be no other." Common Sense, Thomas Paine.

It seems that at one time, Americans stood by the claim that the law applied equally to all. That was before Liberals and Progressives took control.



2. As is so important is these sorts of discussions, one must define terms: mur·der
a.The killing of another person without justification or excuse, especially the crime of killing a person with malice aforethought or with recklessness manifesting extreme indifference to the value of human life.
murder

'...manifesting extreme indifference to the value of human life. '


Is there any argument...by a sentient and civilized individual....that justifies murder, the killing of another who is in no way a threat to the perpetrator?

I'd love to hear such argument before we continue.




Some on this board believe so...when I asked this: "I hope you aren't suggesting that killing another human being is your 'freedom.' this was the response: "
"It is here in America. Also, women have been aborting babies since ancient times." If God doesn't exist...

To be fair....this is killing, but,perhaps, not technically murder.
But this savage has defined abortion as killing....and with a shrug.




3. Here's how this is related to the title above:
There are no psychological exams given to individuals who run for political office....and, there are all sorts of bizarre, inane, unusual laws, statutes and regulations put forth.....some, I am certain that would make one question the sanity of the politician who advanced same.....

...but if a politician proposed a law to legalize murder, or even killing, another human being.....would said politician be guilty of the act itself?

Charged as an accessory to any murders that accrued?

Guilty of suborning murder?

 

[Moonglow]

Is there any argument...by a sentient and civilized individual....that justifies murder, the killing of another who is in no way a threat to the perpetrator?


Yes, it's called war...

 

[JoeB131]

Did Political Spice forget to take her anti-crazy pills this morning?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Is there any argument...by a sentient and civilized individual....that justifies murder, the killing of another who is in no way a threat to the perpetrator?


Yes, it's called war...

Please...put a little effort into it.

"Is there any argument...by a sentient and civilized individual....that justifies murder, the killing of another who is in no way a threat to the perpetrator?"


Opposing soldiers are a threat.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Did Political Spice forget to take her anti-crazy pills this morning?

And....once again....your lack of intellectual ability is on display.

On the bright side.....it won't change anyone's opinion of you.

 

[Moonglow]

Is there any argument...by a sentient and civilized individual....that justifies murder, the killing of another who is in no way a threat to the perpetrator?


Yes, it's called war...

Please...put a little effort into it.

"Is there any argument...by a sentient and civilized individual....that justifies murder, the killing of another who is in no way a threat to the perpetrator?"


Opposing soldiers are a threat.

A human being, or a potential human being? Stop hiding in the shadows for another gotcha moment..

 

[PoliticalChic]

Is there any argument...by a sentient and civilized individual....that justifies murder, the killing of another who is in no way a threat to the perpetrator?


Yes, it's called war...

Please...put a little effort into it.

"Is there any argument...by a sentient and civilized individual....that justifies murder, the killing of another who is in no way a threat to the perpetrator?"


Opposing soldiers are a threat.

A human being, or a potential human being? Stop hiding in the shadows for another gotcha moment..

Still won't answer the question?

"Is there any argument...by a sentient and civilized individual....that justifies murder, the killing of another who is in no way a threat to the perpetrator?"


Why is that?


I'll get to what you are suggesting shortly....now...that question?

 

[Moonglow]

Is there any argument...by a sentient and civilized individual....that justifies murder, the killing of another who is in no way a threat to the perpetrator?


Yes, it's called war...

Please...put a little effort into it.

"Is there any argument...by a sentient and civilized individual....that justifies murder, the killing of another who is in no way a threat to the perpetrator?"


Opposing soldiers are a threat.

A human being, or a potential human being? Stop hiding in the shadows for another gotcha moment..

Still won't answer the question?

"Is there any argument...by a sentient and civilized individual....that justifies murder, the killing of another who is in no way a threat to the perpetrator?"


Why is that?


I'll get to what you are suggesting shortly....now...that question?

Death penalty....

 

[JakeStarkey]

PC has created another false composition fallacy.

An fetus is neither infant nor person.

Abortion is a medical procedure.

Murder is a legal term.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Abortion when pregnancy has put the life of the mother in jeopardy.

 

[PoliticalChic]

4. I can refine the focus by providing the actual news story that caused me to construct the thread. It may prove interesting....
Is there a specific example, a murder that serves to inform the discussion?

Yes.
This one:

"...Staten Island woman, 28, charged with murder after throwing her newborn baby girl in the trash
 Nausheen Rahman, 28, has been charged with murder for allegedly dumping newborn baby into the trash

 The woman said she gave birth to a baby girl but the baby had died

 She then put the child in a trash bag and went to the hospital

 Rahman has been charged with second-degree murder after medical examiner determined baby was alive before it was thrown in trash

Police found the newborn baby unconscious and unresponsive.
She was charged with second-degree murder after a medical examiner determined that the baby was alive before it was thrown in the trash,....
Pictured: Staten Island mom, 28, who dumped her newborn in the trash



The murder charge is based on Ms. Rahman leaving the living human being with no ability to survive.....she murdered the baby.



The first question.....is this a case of murder, or of killing?

Is Nausheen Rahman correctly charged?

 

[Moonglow]

That is a preponderance of evidence that we do not have, to determine the answer to your question..

 

[PoliticalChic]

Abortion when pregnancy has put the life of the mother in jeopardy.

a. The late Dr. James McMahon performed thousands of partial-birth abortions, and five women he had performed third-trimester abortions on appeared with President Clinton at his April 10, 1996, veto ceremony.

In June, 1995, Dr. McMahon submitted to Congress a detailed breakdown of a “series” of over 2,000 of these abortions that he had performed. He classified only 9% (175 cases) as involving “maternal [health] indications,” of which the most common was “depression.”
Hillary Supports Restrictions on Abortion at 'the Very End of 3rd Trimester' (Video)

Do you understand?
The reason for 'maternal health indications' is that the mother didn't feel like going though with the pregnancy.....




5. So......what is the reason for extinguishing the life of the incipient human baby in the vast.....vast.....majority of cases?

It is the very element that forms the pillar of Planned Parenthood's raison d'être...convenience.

Liberal governanceis all about making it easy to do what one "feels like"....even to the extent of killing an about-to-be human baby.





We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
The Declaration of Independence



Just wondering....do you feel that 'convenience' is a suitable reason for killing?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Don't quit your day job, PC, because a fetus is not a baby.

Your error is that of fallacy of false comparison.

 

[PoliticalChic]

That is a preponderance of evidence that we do not have, to determine the answer to your question..

Two questions.....
a. What are you afraid of?
b. Why dud you join the thread?

 

[Militants]

Murderers do deal when they kill and they are in jail after been taken by polices and FBI ....

Justice for offerted families(husband or wife and children) of every country laws ....

For polices and specialforces no justice to kill others although had the right killer ....

 

[CrusaderFrank]

PC has created another false composition fallacy.

An fetus is neither infant nor person.

Abortion is a medical procedure.

Murder is a legal term.

Starkey flailing against PC -- as usual

 

[PoliticalChic]

5. As so many on the other side of the aisle scurry to obfuscate and quibble to hide killing and murder, using terms such as 'pro-choice,' or 'abortion,' rather than murder,


...and even denying that we are discussing the end of a human life....a human with unique and individual DNA, fingerprints, and organs...

More smoke and mirrors than a fire in a brothel.

...they are forced to using terms such as 'embryo,' or 'fetus,' or the so-very removed, 'cell mass.'




So....lets cut to the chase.




Do any of those terms apply to the case of Nausheen Rahman, who has been charged with murder.....

...is this an accurate charge?

Of course no Leftist can answer with the truth: it is the correct charge because her actions have resulted in the death of another human being.





Now... to align this with where I wish to take it......are there any who would either decline to charge Ms. Rahman....
...or who, at trial, would find her not guilty of the charge?
Can you point to any law that would be exculpatory for Ms. Rahman?


And....if so......what does this say of the legislator who has authorized such a law?
You know which party does exactly that.

 

[JoeB131]

And....once again....your lack of intellectual ability is on display.

On the bright side.....it won't change anyone's opinion of you.

I'm not the one who posts pages and pages of crazy every day. That would be you. But please go ahead and fill this thread with more number pointed crazy from the Moonie Mail-Order Bride Manifesto.

 

[JoeB131]

The first question.....is this a case of murder, or of killing?

Is Nausheen Rahman correctly charged?

Probably not, because it sounds like she was mentally ill.

kind of like someone who posts a bullet-pointed screed on a message board every day.

5. As so many on the other side of the aisle scurry to obfuscate and quibble to hide killing and murder, using terms such as 'pro-choice,' or 'abortion,' rather than murder,


...and even denying that we are discussing the end of a human life....a human with unique and individual DNA, fingerprints, and organs...

More smoke and mirrors than a fire in a brothel.

...they are forced to using terms such as 'embryo,' or 'fetus,' or the so-very removed, 'cell mass.'

Ah, this is what you were getting at, another crazy anti-abortion screed. It took you two pages to get there, but you finally made it.

Hey, here's a nutty idea. If you don't like abortions, don't have one.

The law didn't see abortion as murder even when abortions were illegal. Prior to Roe v. Wade, you would find exactly two cases of women being charged with "murder" for having abortions- once in 1922, once in 1911.

As for the people who performed them, they were never charged with murder, either, unless one of their adult patients died.

99% of abortions are performed prior to 20 weeks, when the fetuses aren't viable even with the best medical technology.

of the 1% performed after, they are usually only performed for solid medical reasons.