Is Kim Davis wrong? Or is the Supreme Ct wrong about requiring acceptance of same-sex "marriage"?

[TemplarKormac]

This is a difficult one. I think she has every right to refuse to issue the marriage license herself, due to religious beliefs. But she should step aside and allow her deputies to issue them, if they have no objection. That is true, whether you believe as she does or not. Her name being on the license should have no bearing on whether she issues them or not. If she has a problem with her name on the form, she should cross it out.

No person should be forced to do something that basically goes against their conscious.

Dude. I'm impressed.

 

[TemplarKormac]

So government employees can now choose which part of their job to do and which part not to do.

29 CFR 1605.2 - Reasonable accommodation without undue hardship as required by section 701(j) of title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute

 

[Syriusly]

Christian Taliban

Except they don't blow people up over it like muslims do which is why the homofascists hypocritically steer clear of muslims.

Islam tends to stand for pretty much the same sexual moral standards that Christianity does, often much more strictly so. It liberals were consistent, they would hate Muslims at least as much as they hate Christians, for exactly the same reason that they hate Christians. But then consistency isn't exactly one of the defining features of wrong-wing ideology.

Most liberals in America are Christian.

Why do you believe liberals hate Christians?

Why do you want them to hate Muslims?

 

[MaryL]

Christian Taliban

Is there a coherent thought or sentence in there somewhere?

Liberal taliban. Nanny nanny neenener. Liberals are getting really intolerant of those they don't agree with, and play theses childish verbal games and apply pseudo intellectual badgering. Gays HAVE had all the same rights as anyone else before this, and they ALWAYS have, period.There just isn't any need for gays to get married, they can't biologically have children from a gay union. All the pro gay arguments are splitting hairs, and for the pro gay agenda. For no clear reason other than pro gay badgering and overly vocal representatives and purchasing lawyers or pr firms to present them as victims. I mean they whine and bitched their way to this. Shameful. Like needy children.

I think subconsciously, they believe that a marriage will gain them acceptance by everyone......and if it doesn't..

..THROW THE BIBLE-BANGING ***** IN JAIL!!!!

Of course. Gays are taking a page from PT Barnum, and one-upped him, and fooled a lot of folks. Once the buzz of "victory" wears off, a lot of people a are going to realize what patsies they were going along with this little charade.

ALL people can marry, they always could.The mere requirement that those people can have children with their spouse, that's it. it's like all people can drive, Just wanting it, pushing the issue as a right does not validate a need for gays to receive marital rights anymore than blind people's right to operate an automobile because blind rights are equitable to sighted people.

 

[koshergrl]

You know, about 30 years ago, our children were supposed to be sheltered from sex. In a gay family, it's kind of tough to do that. How is the kid going to explain his two moms to his classmates?

Well, either the person asking the question needs to be suspended and maybe sued, and/or the whole school must now undergo sensitivity training so they will learn to love homosexuals, and realize all of the wonderful things they bring children, families, and fuzzy little puppies.

Here you go, courtesy of the very same judge who sent Ms. Davis to jail…

Judge Who Jailed Kim Davis Ordered Students Who Opposed Homosexuality to Be Re-Educated

And that crap judgement was overturned, and paved the way for the students who sued to recoup $$$ from the school district.

Dumbass activist judges. **** them. They should be tried and shot as traitors.

 

[Seawytch]

I did...you ignored it.

Need it again? Okay..

The SCOTUS ruled against the OVERWHELMING opinion of the American people in 1965...which allowed YOU to be married to your wife. You're okay with that "tyranny" though I'll bet...

So be it. If anyone wanted to fight it, they could.
First they have to prove the harm mixed couples caused........

If anyone wants to fight same-sex marriages they still can.

And they did. Clerks refused to issue licenses to couples like you.

Same bigots, different decade.

For a totally different reason of course.

Show me where it says in the Bible that mixed marriages were not allowed. Abraham married an Egyptian. Show me where Christianity says that interracial marriages are a sin?

Here's the ones the bigots used.

Let the earth put forth vegetation, plants yielding seed, and fruit trees bearing fruit in which is their seed, each according to its kind, upon the earth. Again God said, Let the earth bring forth living creatures according to their kinds: cattle and creeping things and beasts of the earth according to their kinds. ~ Genesis

so that the holy race has mixed itself with the peoples of the lands. And in this faithlessness (TRESPASS or SIN) the hand of the officials and chief men has been foremost." Ezra 9:1-2



10Then the LORD said: "I am making a covenant with you. Before all your people I will do wonders never before done in any nation in all the world. The people you live among will see how awesome is the work that I, the LORD, will do for you. 11Obey what I command you today. I will drive out before you the Amorites, Canaanites, Hittites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites. 12Be careful not to make a treaty with those who live in the land where you are going, or they will be a snare among you. 13Break down their altars, smash their sacred stones and cut down their Asherah poles. 14Do not worship any other god, for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God. 15"Be careful not to make a treaty with those who live in the land; for when they prostitute themselves to their gods and sacrifice to them, they will invite you and you will eat their sacrifices. 16And when you choose some of their daughters as wives for your sons and those daughters prostitute themselves to their gods, they will lead your sons to do the same. (NIV)Exodus 34:10-16

14Do not be mismatched with unbelievers. For what partnership is there between righteousness and lawlessness? Or what fellowship is there between light and darkness? (NRSV) 2Corinthians 6:14

It doesn't matter if YOU believe it...they did. I don't believe your interpretation is right either.

Explain what this has to do with Christianity.

This is the warnings in the Old Testament for the Hebrews taken out of Egypt. Abraham was before Moses. But even then the fact that he took and Egyptian woman into his home was not taboo. So he took Hagar as his wife who gave birth to Ishmael who was the father of the Arabs.

I guess it can be a problem at times.

Again, it doesn't matter if you think those passages refer to interracial relationships...the bigots certain think they do. I think they were/are as wrong on it as you are on gays and the bible.

 

[Seawytch]

Christian Taliban

Except they don't blow people up over it like muslims do which is why the homofascists hypocritically steer clear of muslims.

American Muslims don't. Christians and Muslims in other countries do.

The guy that killed 5 Marines and a Sailor in Chattanooga was and American Muslim.

So? The guy that killed the people in SC was a Christian.

 

[TemplarKormac]

So in other words- when the facts contradict your claims- you ignore the facts.

Isn't that what liberals do?

 

[Seawytch]

So Veterans and overweight people shouldn't be able to marry?

WTF are you babbling about!!!

You held up suicide rates and health issues as a demonstrable harm in allowing gays to marry each other. Using your twisted logic, veterans and fat people shouldn't marry. Stupid huh?

Oh....you think all veterans are suicidal. I think you're confusing veterans with active-duty personnel.

I guess the suicide rate seems to go up when the president sucks ass.....like under Obama.
Actually the suicide rate in the military isn't nearly as bad as with homosexuals and transvestites. But since Gays only make up roughly 2% of the total population......who could tell for sure.

I gave you the link. The suicide rate for both is astronomical. Guess they shouldn't be able to marry. Military personnel make up 1%...and?

You said veterans....asshole. You didn't say active-duty.

So? Same still holds true...tiny minority with a high suicide rate. No marriage for them!

 

[TemplarKormac]

Jesus did very clearly tell his followers not to divorce and remarry- something that Kim Davis has violated 3 times now

Funny how you keep bringing that up... I agree with the fact she had to obey the law, but getting personal?

"For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God"

Romans 3:23

 

[mudwhistle]

So be it. If anyone wanted to fight it, they could.
First they have to prove the harm mixed couples caused........

If anyone wants to fight same-sex marriages they still can.

And they did. Clerks refused to issue licenses to couples like you.

Same bigots, different decade.

For a totally different reason of course.

Show me where it says in the Bible that mixed marriages were not allowed. Abraham married an Egyptian. Show me where Christianity says that interracial marriages are a sin?

Here's the ones the bigots used.

Let the earth put forth vegetation, plants yielding seed, and fruit trees bearing fruit in which is their seed, each according to its kind, upon the earth. Again God said, Let the earth bring forth living creatures according to their kinds: cattle and creeping things and beasts of the earth according to their kinds. ~ Genesis

so that the holy race has mixed itself with the peoples of the lands. And in this faithlessness (TRESPASS or SIN) the hand of the officials and chief men has been foremost." Ezra 9:1-2



10Then the LORD said: "I am making a covenant with you. Before all your people I will do wonders never before done in any nation in all the world. The people you live among will see how awesome is the work that I, the LORD, will do for you. 11Obey what I command you today. I will drive out before you the Amorites, Canaanites, Hittites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites. 12Be careful not to make a treaty with those who live in the land where you are going, or they will be a snare among you. 13Break down their altars, smash their sacred stones and cut down their Asherah poles. 14Do not worship any other god, for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God. 15"Be careful not to make a treaty with those who live in the land; for when they prostitute themselves to their gods and sacrifice to them, they will invite you and you will eat their sacrifices. 16And when you choose some of their daughters as wives for your sons and those daughters prostitute themselves to their gods, they will lead your sons to do the same. (NIV)Exodus 34:10-16

14Do not be mismatched with unbelievers. For what partnership is there between righteousness and lawlessness? Or what fellowship is there between light and darkness? (NRSV) 2Corinthians 6:14

It doesn't matter if YOU believe it...they did. I don't believe your interpretation is right either.

Explain what this has to do with Christianity.

This is the warnings in the Old Testament for the Hebrews taken out of Egypt. Abraham was before Moses. But even then the fact that he took and Egyptian woman into his home was not taboo. So he took Hagar as his wife who gave birth to Ishmael who was the father of the Arabs.

I guess it can be a problem at times.

Again, it doesn't matter if you think those passages refer to interracial relationships...the bigots certain think they do. I think they were/are as wrong on it as you are on gays and the bible.

Doubtful.

Being Gay has always been a sin in the Bible......as well as murder, theft, sloth, blasphemy, envy, malice, adultery, and particularly fornication.

 

[OnePercenter]

Davis is wrong by not following law she swore to follow. Some Christian.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Show me the Muslim clerk refusing to issue marriage licenses because of her faith- and 'homos' will be attacking her in the exact same way.

That's the thing. They won't. Unlike Islam, we Christians don't have a habit of lopping anyone's head off who disagrees with us. You don't attack Islam, Islam attacks you. The whole issue is with Christianity. I'm of the belief that a Muslim clerk would garner more understanding (even if she's still wrong) from you than would Kim Davis.

I smell double standards. Now, if I'm wrong and you will equally condemn a Muslim clerk the same way you would Kim Davis, then by all means, let me know.

 

[MaryL]

Christian Taliban

Is there a coherent thought or sentence in there somewhere?

. Gays HAVE had all the same rights as anyone else before this, and they ALWAYS have, period..

You keep making this same idiotic claim and I keep pointing out how idiotic it is. Do you have a memory problem, a comprehension problem or just an honesty problem?

• Until very recently homosexuals could be fired from the U.S. military simply for being known as being gay- how in your mind is that 'the same rights'
  
• Homosexuals could be fired from the State Department once they were suspected of being gay.
• Homosexuals could be arrested for having sex together- and were arrested for talking about having sex together even after the Supreme Court said the anti-gay sodomy laws were unconstitutional.
• Laws were passed to fire homosexuals from public teaching laws.

So tell me- how is that all 'the same rights as anyone else'?

You people keep up this phony intellectual fraud and badgering. I never said gays weren't hurt for being gay, but you folks act as if homosexuality is on the same level as blacks enslavement for 300 years, women held as second class indentured servants/chattel, and real deprivations of civil rights. Freedom, Gays could always vote, they were never segregated, they never were the victims they pretend to be, This gay rights thing is a fraud. I still haven't seen a single argument that would convince me how excluding gays from marriage is wrong. Gays won't conceive children, and all the hair splitting arguments won't change that. Whining and bitching and insulting won't help, either.

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

What Davis is asking for is not any accommodation at all, but for the right to declare, by fiat, that Rowan County, Kentucky, is a mini-theocracy not beholden to the laws of the land, but by the whims of Kim Davis.

 

[mudwhistle]

WTF are you babbling about!!!

You held up suicide rates and health issues as a demonstrable harm in allowing gays to marry each other. Using your twisted logic, veterans and fat people shouldn't marry. Stupid huh?

Oh....you think all veterans are suicidal. I think you're confusing veterans with active-duty personnel.

I guess the suicide rate seems to go up when the president sucks ass.....like under Obama.
Actually the suicide rate in the military isn't nearly as bad as with homosexuals and transvestites. But since Gays only make up roughly 2% of the total population......who could tell for sure.

I gave you the link. The suicide rate for both is astronomical. Guess they shouldn't be able to marry. Military personnel make up 1%...and?

You said veterans....asshole. You didn't say active-duty.

So? Same still holds true...tiny minority with a high suicide rate. No marriage for them!

No.....you asked for reasons not to allow it. I didn't say I didn't support it. You just assumed I didn't.
I just have issues with the way we got here.

I think Al Gore was expected to win the election in 2000 and set the ball in motion. That's why Bush was so hated by the left. He set back the Gay agenda 8 years. But to be honest....without both Bush's, you guys still wouldn't have a Supreme Court go for this. You just barely got by with a 5-4 vote. One vote the other way would have set the agenda back another 10 years.

I would think you would want to celebrate instead of going around the country punishing people and making enemies.

 

[mudwhistle]

Davis is wrong by not following law she swore to follow. Some Christian.

Obviously she has issues with a law she doesn't think is legit.

Obama decided not to follow the law. Why can't she?

Until you guys can give us some rational reason why it's okay for this obvious double-standard, I don't think you're going to convince anyone.

 

[Syriusly]

Christian Taliban

Is there a coherent thought or sentence in there somewhere?

. Gays HAVE had all the same rights as anyone else before this, and they ALWAYS have, period..

You keep making this same idiotic claim and I keep pointing out how idiotic it is. Do you have a memory problem, a comprehension problem or just an honesty problem?

• Until very recently homosexuals could be fired from the U.S. military simply for being known as being gay- how in your mind is that 'the same rights'
  
• Homosexuals could be fired from the State Department once they were suspected of being gay.
• Homosexuals could be arrested for having sex together- and were arrested for talking about having sex together even after the Supreme Court said the anti-gay sodomy laws were unconstitutional.
• Laws were passed to fire homosexuals from public teaching laws.

So tell me- how is that all 'the same rights as anyone else'?

You people keep up this phony intellectual fraud and badgering. I never said gays weren't hurt for being gay, but you folks act as if homosexuality i.

No Mary- it is you who keep lying- let me quote you again:

Gays HAVE had all the same rights as anyone else before this, and they ALWAYS have, period.

This is the same claim you have made repeatedly and I have pointed out repeatedly that the claim is false.

So you just come back and make the same claim weeks later.

If you stop making the same stupid claim- I won't have to point out what a patently stupid claim it is

 

[Syriusly]

Davis is wrong by not following law she swore to follow. Some Christian.

Obviously she has issues with a law she doesn't think is legit.

Obama decided not to follow the law. Why can't she?

Until you guys can give us some rational reason why it's okay for this obvious double-standard, I don't think you're going to convince anyone.

Because a judge told her that she was required to follow the law- and the judge has the authority to put her in jail- but has no authority to put a President in jail.

If a judge orders President Obama to follow a law- and he refuses to follow the judges order- then Congress can impeach him.

 

[Syriusly]

You held up suicide rates and health issues as a demonstrable harm in allowing gays to marry each other. Using your twisted logic, veterans and fat people shouldn't marry. Stupid huh?

Oh....you think all veterans are suicidal. I think you're confusing veterans with active-duty personnel.

I guess the suicide rate seems to go up when the president sucks ass.....like under Obama.
Actually the suicide rate in the military isn't nearly as bad as with homosexuals and transvestites. But since Gays only make up roughly 2% of the total population......who could tell for sure.

I gave you the link. The suicide rate for both is astronomical. Guess they shouldn't be able to marry. Military personnel make up 1%...and?

You said veterans....asshole. You didn't say active-duty.

So? Same still holds true...tiny minority with a high suicide rate. No marriage for them!

No.....you asked for reasons not to allow it. I didn't say I didn't support it. You just assumed I didn't.
I just have issues with the way we got here..

You sure do dance pretty.

Do you think that a reason that gays should not be allowed to marry is because of their higher than average suicide rate- as you originally implied?

And if so, do you also believe that veterans should not be allowed to marry because of their higher than average suicide rate?